I couldn't find a topic related to this so I thought I'd create this thread for future I-285 in North Carolina, which shares pavements with Business Loop I-85 and US 52.
http://www.the-dispatch.com/article/20140325/News/303259989 (March 25, 2014)
http://www.hpe.com/news/x2025291255/Crews-upgrading-part-of-Interstate-85-Business-Loop
QuoteWork is now under way on an N.C. Department of Transportation project to improve Interstate 85 Business Loop from just north of I-85 (Exit 87) to just south of Salisbury Road (Exit 86) in Davidson County.
The 2.5-mile section of I-85 Business Loop will be improved to interstate standards for the future I-285 corridor. The project will involve reconstructing shoulders, improving drainage systems, resurfacing travel lanes and realigning Marco Boulevard to accommodate a new southbound exit ramp alignment at Green Needles Road. In addition, crews will resurface and preserve the bridges carrying I-85 Business Loop over Swearing Creek.
The $7.6 million contract was awarded in September 2013 to J.T. Russell and Sons Inc. of Albemarle and is expected to be complete by June 16, 2015.
One of the things I noticed along I-85 is that on the signage, I-85 Business is on a separate sign from the three U.S. Routes listed on the main signs for exit 87. Maybe, just maybe, I-85 Business will be decomm when I-285 is established. It's redundant existence is practically useless.
Geez, another year for this to be ready, the route was promised done last year. Such delays... I wonder what they will do with US 52/NC 8, though I suspect they will leave them be.
Quote from: WashuOtaku on April 17, 2014, 10:27:00 AM
One of the things I noticed along I-85 is that on the signage, I-85 Business is on a separate sign from the three U.S. Routes listed on the main signs for exit 87. Maybe, just maybe, I-85 Business will be decomm when I-285 is established. It's redundant existence is practically useless.
Geez, another year for this to be ready, the route was promised done last year. Such delays... I wonder what they will do with US 52/NC 8, though I suspect they will leave them be.
Most likely will stay signed with 285 upto I-40. North of this project it's interstate standard now (minus a small stretch in South Winston just inside forsyth co)
Quote from: jcarte29 on April 18, 2014, 11:05:09 AM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on April 17, 2014, 10:27:00 AM
One of the things I noticed along I-85 is that on the signage, I-85 Business is on a separate sign from the three U.S. Routes listed on the main signs for exit 87. Maybe, just maybe, I-85 Business will be decomm when I-285 is established. It's redundant existence is practically useless.
Geez, another year for this to be ready, the route was promised done last year. Such delays... I wonder what they will do with US 52/NC 8, though I suspect they will leave them be.
Most likely will stay signed with 285 upto I-40. North of this project it's interstate standard now (minus a small stretch in South Winston just inside forsyth co)
Sure, I would expect I-85 Business to be decommissioned, because it's already US 29/US 70. But then, that would create the rare (in fact, the only) instance of all-freeway Business Loops existing for the same route in consecutive states (Spartanburg, SC and Greensboro, NC). We'll just have to wait and see.
I think I-85 Business Loop will be decommissioned. No reason to multiplex I-285 with I-85 Business Loop and US 29-52-70. But, this is NCDOT. We never know.
Just drove southbound on US 52 (Business 85 loop, US 29-70) there is one lane closure near the Green Needles Road interchange and at the Linwood interchange as well. They are constructing a new road to the right of the Green Needles Rd interchange. So, the upgrade begins.
The 2.4 mile project was all of 2.8% complete, according to NCDOT, at the end of March.
Update: the shoulders are being widened, but since they will resurface the entire 2.8 miles of Business 85, I assume they're going to redo the median as well? anyone know what the finished project should look like?
Quote from: Strider on September 18, 2014, 12:55:23 PM
Update: the shoulders are being widened, but since they will resurface the entire 2.8 miles of Business 85, I assume they're going to redo the median as well? anyone know what the finished project should look like?
Perusing the project proposal, I didn't see anything referring to work on the median. The contractor has to reseed any area that is used for the bridge work after the reconstruction is completed, which could mean the shoulder or median area. The project is now about 42% complete.
Unrelated, but looking back at the signing plans, they have kept the US 52 milepost exit numbers for the new signs. Does it make sense to replace them with I-285 numbers when all the work is completed to upgrade it to I-285, or should they keep the numbers as is? (Based on the exit number plans for the proposed I-885 in Durham, I would expect the numbers to be changed).
Quote from: bob7374 on September 18, 2014, 10:52:01 PM
Unrelated, but looking back at the signing plans, they have kept the US 52 milepost exit numbers for the new signs. Does it make sense to replace them with I-285 numbers when all the work is completed to upgrade it to I-285, or should they keep the numbers as is? (Based on the exit number plans for the proposed I-885 in Durham, I would expect the numbers to be changed).
I would expect they would change the numbers, they probably not doing it right away, similar to how they dealt with I-73. However, it wouldn't be the first time an interstate used another highway mileage scheme (i.e. I-585 in Spartanburg, SC).
Quote from: bob7374 on September 18, 2014, 10:52:01 PM
Quote from: Strider on September 18, 2014, 12:55:23 PM
Update: the shoulders are being widened, but since they will resurface the entire 2.8 miles of Business 85, I assume they're going to redo the median as well? anyone know what the finished project should look like?
Perusing the project proposal, I didn't see anything referring to work on the median. The contractor has to reseed any area that is used for the bridge work after the reconstruction is completed, which could mean the shoulder or median area. The project is now about 42% complete.
Unrelated, but looking back at the signing plans, they have kept the US 52 milepost exit numbers for the new signs. Does it make sense to replace them with I-285 numbers when all the work is completed to upgrade it to I-285, or should they keep the numbers as is? (Based on the exit number plans for the proposed I-885 in Durham, I would expect the numbers to be changed).
Do you have a link to the signage plans for this project?
Quote from: Strider on September 19, 2014, 10:25:04 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on September 18, 2014, 10:52:01 PM
Quote from: Strider on September 18, 2014, 12:55:23 PM
Update: the shoulders are being widened, but since they will resurface the entire 2.8 miles of Business 85, I assume they're going to redo the median as well? anyone know what the finished project should look like?
Perusing the project proposal, I didn't see anything referring to work on the median. The contractor has to reseed any area that is used for the bridge work after the reconstruction is completed, which could mean the shoulder or median area. The project is now about 42% complete.
Unrelated, but looking back at the signing plans, they have kept the US 52 milepost exit numbers for the new signs. Does it make sense to replace them with I-285 numbers when all the work is completed to upgrade it to I-285, or should they keep the numbers as is? (Based on the exit number plans for the proposed I-885 in Durham, I would expect the numbers to be changed).
Do you have a link to the signage plans for this project?
The plans for the contract, including signage, are on this page:
http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/DSPlan/2013%20Highway%20Letting/09-17-13/Plans%20and%20Proposals/Davidson%20R-4750_41665.6B%20C202664/ (http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/DSPlan/2013%20Highway%20Letting/09-17-13/Plans%20and%20Proposals/Davidson%20R-4750_41665.6B%20C202664/)
Quote from: Henry on April 18, 2014, 02:55:09 PM
But then, that would create the rare (in fact, the only) instance of all-freeway Business Loops existing for the same route in consecutive states (Spartanburg, SC and Greensboro, NC). We'll just have to wait and see.
Business 85 through Lexington would still not be all-freeway after all this is done: just the portion shared with 285, and several other disparate sections (but not continuous) heading northeast.
No matter what happens with Green 85 in Lexington and HP (partial freeway, partial graded), the Greensboro Green 85 is all freeway (some would argue interstate standard).
Quote from: jcarte29 on September 19, 2014, 06:10:23 PM
... the Greensboro Green 85 is all freeway (some would argue interstate standard).
It is (at least theoretically, I haven't driven that portion in many years) interstate standard. It was I-85 until the Greensboro Urban Loop portion opened in 2008.
Many Interstates are not standard. Biz 40 in Winston-Salem was signed as I-40 but has tight curves and ramps.
Quote from: Thing 342 on September 19, 2014, 07:11:48 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on September 19, 2014, 06:10:23 PM
... the Greensboro Green 85 is all freeway (some would argue interstate standard).
It is (at least theoretically, I haven't driven that portion in many years) interstate standard. It was I-85 until the Greensboro Urban Loop portion opened in 2008.
Yes, I live in Greensboro, and the Green 85 in Greensboro is interstate standard. half of it is multiplexed with I-40.
Is there a controversy over the number of Business 85's in NC? Is there one or two? Would there only be one if there was an implied concurrency of Business 85 on I-85? Or is there two, because of the I-85 relocation around Greensboro? Feel free to discuss.
Quote from: kendancy66 on September 19, 2014, 11:46:26 PM
Is there a controversy over the number of Business 85's in NC? Is there one or two? Would there only be one if there was an implied concurrency of Business 85 on I-85? Or is there two, because of the I-85 relocation around Greensboro? Feel free to discuss.
Obviously one. Check the exit numbers.
Which is very important because if there were two all-freeway business loops on the same Interstate in adjacent states, that Interstate would be eligible for a $100 per axle toll at the state line.
Quote from: NE2 on September 20, 2014, 01:33:10 AM
Quote from: kendancy66 on September 19, 2014, 11:46:26 PM
Is there a controversy over the number of Business 85's in NC? Is there one or two? Would there only be one if there was an implied concurrency of Business 85 on I-85? Or is there two, because of the I-85 relocation around Greensboro? Feel free to discuss.
Obviously one. Check the exit numbers.
Which is very important because if there were two all-freeway business loops on the same Interstate in adjacent states, that Interstate would be eligible for a $100 per axle toll at the state line.
Agreed, it's considered one. The only good thing is that new signage of to I-85 Business have been downgraded to secondary signage as US 29/US 70 take top billing. Even future signage planned in Greensboro at the I-40/I-85 split will soon no longer feature I-85 Business. My hope is that NCDOT will eventually decommission the entire route, its unnecessary.
Quote from: WashuOtaku on September 20, 2014, 09:02:15 AM
Quote from: NE2 on September 20, 2014, 01:33:10 AM
Quote from: kendancy66 on September 19, 2014, 11:46:26 PM
Is there a controversy over the number of Business 85's in NC? Is there one or two? Would there only be one if there was an implied concurrency of Business 85 on I-85? Or is there two, because of the I-85 relocation around Greensboro? Feel free to discuss.
Obviously one. Check the exit numbers.
Which is very important because if there were two all-freeway business loops on the same Interstate in adjacent states, that Interstate would be eligible for a $100 per axle toll at the state line.
Agreed, it's considered one. The only good thing is that new signage of to I-85 Business have been downgraded to secondary signage as US 29/US 70 take top billing. Even future signage planned in Greensboro at the I-40/I-85 split will soon no longer feature I-85 Business. My hope is that NCDOT will eventually decommission the entire route, its unnecessary.
Update: The southbound lanes are reduced to just one and moved to the right lane (new shoulders, sort of) since they are tearing down the old pavement on the left lane. Northbound lanes is also reduced to one lane as well.
Quote from: Strider on October 03, 2014, 12:47:02 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on September 20, 2014, 09:02:15 AM
Quote from: NE2 on September 20, 2014, 01:33:10 AM
Quote from: kendancy66 on September 19, 2014, 11:46:26 PM
Is there a controversy over the number of Business 85's in NC? Is there one or two? Would there only be one if there was an implied concurrency of Business 85 on I-85? Or is there two, because of the I-85 relocation around Greensboro? Feel free to discuss.
Obviously one. Check the exit numbers.
Which is very important because if there were two all-freeway business loops on the same Interstate in adjacent states, that Interstate would be eligible for a $100 per axle toll at the state line.
Agreed, it's considered one. The only good thing is that new signage of to I-85 Business have been downgraded to secondary signage as US 29/US 70 take top billing. Even future signage planned in Greensboro at the I-40/I-85 split will soon no longer feature I-85 Business. My hope is that NCDOT will eventually decommission the entire route, its unnecessary.
Update: The southbound lanes are reduced to just one and moved to the right lane (new shoulders, sort of) since they are tearing down the old pavement on the left lane. Northbound lanes is also reduced to one lane as well.
When will the signed Interstate 285.
Quote from: InterstatesRules445 on July 16, 2015, 08:44:14 PM
When will the signed Interstate 285.
Likely when it is all finished and linked twice to I-95. Basically, not anytime soon.
Quote from: InterstatesRules445 on July 16, 2015, 08:44:14 PM
When will the signed Interstate 285.
It doesn't appear to be any time soon. The above post about progress on construction along US 52 is on one of the two projects needed to be completed before I-285 can be signed between I-85 and I-40. The other project, further north in Forsyth County, was not included as a funded project in the 2016-2025 State Transportation Improvement Project (STIP) list. This means, unless its status is changed, construction would not start until after 2025. This doesn't include the proposal to extend the designation further north to the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (I-74) which would require an upgrade of US 52 through Winston-Salem itself.
More information on my Future I-285 Website: http://www.gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut285.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut285.html)
Quote from: WashuOtaku on July 16, 2015, 10:29:51 PM
Quote from: InterstatesRules445 on July 16, 2015, 08:44:14 PM
When will the signed Interstate 285.
Likely when it is all finished and linked twice to I-85. Basically, not anytime soon.
FTFY
And BTW, I'm suspecting that it will be a secret designation, similar to how I-595 east of Washington is treated on US 50.
It won't link to I-85 twice... So much derp in this thread.
Quote from: Henry on July 17, 2015, 01:05:29 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on July 16, 2015, 10:29:51 PM
Quote from: InterstatesRules445 on July 16, 2015, 08:44:14 PM
When will the signed Interstate 285.
Likely when it is all finished and linked twice to I-85. Basically, not anytime soon.
FTFY
And BTW, I'm suspecting that it will be a secret designation, similar to how I-595 east of Washington is treated on US 50.
I doubt that. We are talking about North Carolina, not Colorado or Utah
Quote from: NE2 on July 17, 2015, 02:04:05 PM
It won't link to I-85 twice... So much derp in this thread.
Honestly, I got I-285 and I-295 mixed-up again.
I though they started the construction in March of 2014.
Quote from: bob7374 on July 16, 2015, 11:30:49 PM
Quote from: InterstatesRules445 on July 16, 2015, 08:44:14 PM
When will the signed Interstate 285.
It doesn't appear to be any time soon. The above post about progress on construction along US 52 is on one of the two projects needed to be completed before I-285 can be signed between I-85 and I-40. The other project, further north in Forsyth County, was not included as a funded project in the 2016-2025 State Transportation Improvement Project (STIP) list. This means, unless its status is changed, construction would not start until after 2025. This doesn't include the proposal to extend the designation further north to the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (I-74) which would require an upgrade of US 52 through Winston-Salem itself.
More information on my Future I-285 Website: http://www.gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut285.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut285.html)
I thought the project stared in March if 2014 (1 Year and 4 months) :confused:
Quote from: InterstatesRules445 on July 20, 2015, 10:23:56 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on July 16, 2015, 11:30:49 PM
Quote from: InterstatesRules445 on July 16, 2015, 08:44:14 PM
When will the signed Interstate 285.
It doesn't appear to be any time soon. The above post about progress on construction along US 52 is on one of the two projects needed to be completed before I-285 can be signed between I-85 and I-40. The other project, further north in Forsyth County, was not included as a funded project in the 2016-2025 State Transportation Improvement Project (STIP) list. This means, unless its status is changed, construction would not start until after 2025. This doesn't include the proposal to extend the designation further north to the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (I-74) which would require an upgrade of US 52 through Winston-Salem itself.
More information on my Future I-285 Website: http://www.gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut285.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut285.html)
I thought the project stared in March if 2014 (1 Year and 4 months) :confused:
The project in Davidson County started in and was supposed to be completed last month, but a check of NCDOT's Construction Progress Report shows completion has been put off until next summer. There are no current US 52 construction contracts active for Forsyth County with the exception of work being done with a connector road that will tie into US 52 in the downtown area.
Quote from: Henry on July 17, 2015, 01:05:29 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on July 16, 2015, 10:29:51 PM
Quote from: InterstatesRules445 on July 16, 2015, 08:44:14 PM
When will the signed Interstate 285.
Likely when it is all finished and linked twice to I-85. Basically, not anytime soon.
FTFY
I don't think its going to be that long. It was to fully signed in 2011, and according to Wikipedia it was to complete in June 2015.
And BTW, I'm suspecting that it will be a secret designation, similar to how I-595 east of Washington is treated on US 50.
Quote from: InterstatesRules445 on July 23, 2015, 07:28:54 PM
Quote from: Henry on July 17, 2015, 01:05:29 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on July 16, 2015, 10:29:51 PM
Quote from: InterstatesRules445 on July 16, 2015, 08:44:14 PM
When will the signed Interstate 285.
Likely when it is all finished and linked twice to I-85. Basically, not anytime soon.
FTFY
I don't think its going to be that long. It was to fully signed in 2011, and according to Wikipedia it was to complete in June 2015.
And BTW, I'm suspecting that it will be a secret designation, similar to how I-595 east of Washington is treated on US 50.
Thread Revival! I-285, Approved!
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14850 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14850)
About damn time.
Quote from: LM117 on February 15, 2018, 02:47:20 PM
About damn time.
That's great news. :clap:
Hopefully in the future, they will upgrade US52 from I-40 north to I-74.
Quote from: mvak36 on February 15, 2018, 03:03:39 PM
Quote from: LM117 on February 15, 2018, 02:47:20 PM
About damn time.
That's great news. :clap:
Hopefully in the future, they will upgrade US52 from I-40 north to I-74.
Much, if not all, of US-52 through downtown Winston-Salem was upgraded to interstate standards a few years ago if I'm not mistaken.
But I have no doubt that I-285 will eventually be extended to the W-S Northern Beltway. Bank on it.
Quote from: LM117 on February 15, 2018, 03:50:41 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on February 15, 2018, 03:03:39 PM
Quote from: LM117 on February 15, 2018, 02:47:20 PM
About damn time.
That's great news. :clap:
Hopefully in the future, they will upgrade US52 from I-40 north to I-74.
Much, if not all, of US-52 through downtown Winston-Salem was upgraded to interstate standards a few years ago if I'm not mistaken.
But I have no doubt that I-285 will eventually be extended to the W-S Northern Beltway. Bank on it.
Now they need to work on finishing 785 and other 3dis. :D
I still don't like this numbering. I don't like seeing straight roads that aren't bypasses with even leading digit 3DIs.
Quote from: Finrod on February 17, 2018, 09:53:57 PM
I still don't like this numbering. I don't like seeing straight roads that aren't bypasses with even leading digit 3DIs.
I would have preferred I-685 or maybe a 3DI from I-74 myself, but an even-digit number is the usual rule in connecting two interstates (though there are exceptions made, see I-540).
I too was starting to wonder if the US 52 freeway would ever become Interstate 285. Once the Interstate 74 east loop of Winston-Salem is completed, will 285 be extended north of 40, as previously planned?
Quote from: Finrod on February 17, 2018, 09:53:57 PM
I still don't like this numbering. I don't like seeing straight roads that aren't bypasses with even leading digit 3DIs.
I'm afraid the 3di even/odd rules died on the day I-264 was extended from I-64 to a dead end at Virginia Beach.
Actually: in addition to loops and spurs, the Interstate System includes
connectors, routes connecting one 2di to a different 2di. I don't think this was even considered in the beginning, so there was no rule for numbering them. A lot of people seem to think they're more like loops than like spurs. You disagree, as is surely your right.
Quote from: WashuOtaku on February 20, 2018, 10:15:51 AM
Quote from: Finrod on February 17, 2018, 09:53:57 PM
I still don't like this numbering. I don't like seeing straight roads that aren't bypasses with even leading digit 3DIs.
I would have preferred I-685 or maybe a 3DI from I-74 myself, but an even-digit number is the usual rule in connecting two interstates (though there are exceptions made, see I-540).
I don't necessarily disagree with your first point, but a 3DI from I-74 would be years and years off, considering it would only connect at the northern end of the W-S project. Besides, I think W-S (given I am native to the Twin City) appreciates an association/connection of I-85 (easier to follow, heck I've been traveling that route for years given its freeway stature no matter the shield)
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 20, 2018, 05:01:59 PM
I too was starting to wonder if the US 52 freeway would ever become Interstate 285. Once the Interstate 74 east loop of Winston-Salem is completed, will 285 be extended north of 40, as previously planned?
I do not believe it was ever previously planned and I have found no evidence beyond the Highway forums that was ever the plan, I believe it was just assumed. It could in the future none the less, nothing is impossible in North Carolina.
Quote from: WashuOtaku on February 22, 2018, 08:20:42 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 20, 2018, 05:01:59 PM
I too was starting to wonder if the US 52 freeway would ever become Interstate 285. Once the Interstate 74 east loop of Winston-Salem is completed, will 285 be extended north of 40, as previously planned?
I do not believe it was ever previously planned and I have found no evidence beyond the Highway forums that was ever the plan, I believe it was just assumed. It could in the future none the less, nothing is impossible in North Carolina.
NCDOT tried to get US 52 from I-40 north to the eventual location of the north side of the W-S beltway officially designated as TEMP I-74. AASHTO turned them down in April 1996.
I-285 was approved in 2005 to run to the eventual W-S beltway according to https://www.interstate-guide.com/i-285_nc.html but NC's application to FHWA only included up to I-40 (https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/2005_06_16.pdf)
Quote from: WashuOtaku on February 22, 2018, 08:20:42 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 20, 2018, 05:01:59 PM
I too was starting to wonder if the US 52 freeway would ever become Interstate 285. Once the Interstate 74 east loop of Winston-Salem is completed, will 285 be extended north of 40, as previously planned?
I do not believe it was ever previously planned and I have found no evidence beyond the Highway forums that was ever the plan, I believe it was just assumed. It could in the future none the less, nothing is impossible in North Carolina.
Yes, it is on their long term plans (unlisted, however) as soon as US 52 is being rebuilt to interstate standards, NCDOT wants to extend I-285 north from I-40 to I-74 north of the city, but that is like a couple of years away. Even though the application only indicates the routing of I-285 from I-85 to I-40, but that is because US 52 north of I-40 is mostly non-interstate standard freeway with except of some rebuilt areas on US 52 (the recently opened Research Pkwy interchange and the bridges over Liberty St and the RR tracks).
Quote from: Strider on February 22, 2018, 10:43:17 AM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on February 22, 2018, 08:20:42 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 20, 2018, 05:01:59 PM
I too was starting to wonder if the US 52 freeway would ever become Interstate 285. Once the Interstate 74 east loop of Winston-Salem is completed, will 285 be extended north of 40, as previously planned?
I do not believe it was ever previously planned and I have found no evidence beyond the Highway forums that was ever the plan, I believe it was just assumed. It could in the future none the less, nothing is impossible in North Carolina.
Yes, it is on their long term plans (unlisted, however) as soon as US 52 is being rebuilt to interstate standards, NCDOT wants to extend I-285 north from I-40 to I-74 north of the city, but that is like a couple of years away. Even though the application only indicates the routing of I-285 from I-85 to I-40, but that is because US 52 north of I-40 is mostly non-interstate standard freeway with except of some rebuilt areas on US 52 (the recently opened Research Pkwy interchange and the bridges over Liberty St and the RR tracks).
Here is a map of NCDOT Strategic Highway Corridors for the Triad area created in 2004 which shows I-285 between I-40 and I-74, the footnote 3 states I-285 extended to I-74 Beltway interchange if US 52 upgraded to interstate standards:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi285mapshc.jpg&hash=124a0aa19e32b771f31963e6c6091a857427685f)
Quote from: bob7374 on February 22, 2018, 10:34:36 PM
Here is a map of NCDOT Strategic Highway Corridors for the Triad area created in 2004 which shows I-285 between I-40 and I-74, the footnote 3 states I-285 extended to I-74 Beltway interchange if US 52 upgraded to interstate standards:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi285mapshc.jpg&hash=124a0aa19e32b771f31963e6c6091a857427685f)
What the hell is that future E-W freeway north of Bus I-40?
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 26, 2018, 11:55:34 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 22, 2018, 10:34:36 PM
Here is a map of NCDOT Strategic Highway Corridors for the Triad area created in 2004 which shows I-285 between I-40 and I-74, the footnote 3 states I-285 extended to I-74 Beltway interchange if US 52 upgraded to interstate standards:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi285mapshc.jpg&hash=124a0aa19e32b771f31963e6c6091a857427685f)
What the hell is that future E-W freeway north of Bus I-40?
That was a proposed connector freeway between I-73 at NC 68 by the PTI Airport to the I-74 W-S Beltway. I proposed that it be signed I-273. AFAIK it has not appeared in recent highway plans for the region. Perhaps it will be proposed again once the Beltway is completed.
Quote from: bob7374 on February 26, 2018, 12:13:32 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 26, 2018, 11:55:34 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 22, 2018, 10:34:36 PM
Here is a map of NCDOT Strategic Highway Corridors for the Triad area created in 2004 which shows I-285 between I-40 and I-74, the footnote 3 states I-285 extended to I-74 Beltway interchange if US 52 upgraded to interstate standards:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi285mapshc.jpg&hash=124a0aa19e32b771f31963e6c6091a857427685f)
What the hell is that future E-W freeway north of Bus I-40?
That was a proposed connector freeway between I-73 at NC 68 by the PTI Airport to the I-74 W-S Beltway. I proposed that it be signed I-273. AFAIK it has not appeared in recent highway plans for the region. Perhaps it will be proposed again once the Beltway is completed.
Isn't it a bit redundant to I-40? I am just curious. I don't know what the traffic counts are on either of that stretch of I-40, so maybe there is a need.
Quote from: mvak36 on February 28, 2018, 09:32:34 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 26, 2018, 12:13:32 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 26, 2018, 11:55:34 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 22, 2018, 10:34:36 PM
Here is a map of NCDOT Strategic Highway Corridors for the Triad area created in 2004 which shows I-285 between I-40 and I-74, the footnote 3 states I-285 extended to I-74 Beltway interchange if US 52 upgraded to interstate standards:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi285mapshc.jpg&hash=124a0aa19e32b771f31963e6c6091a857427685f)
What the hell is that future E-W freeway north of Bus I-40?
That was a proposed connector freeway between I-73 at NC 68 by the PTI Airport to the I-74 W-S Beltway. I proposed that it be signed I-273. AFAIK it has not appeared in recent highway plans for the region. Perhaps it will be proposed again once the Beltway is completed.
Isn't it a bit redundant to I-40? I am just curious. I don't know what the traffic counts are on either of that stretch of I-40, so maybe there is a need.
Traffic is pretty busy on I-40 that is because it is just 4 lanes between Winston Salem and Greensboro. But, it is in process of being widening to 6 lanes in the future, so I don't really see the need for that I-73/I-74 connector, but if it is in their future plans, then they must see something I don't.
IIRC, at the time there was a lot more development proposed between Winson-Salem and Greensboro, which may still be the case. Would be an alternative to I-40 especially considering that 40 is basically maxed out between 421 and 73 now...not really going to get anything more in between there.
Am I the only one here wondering what the fate of US 311 will be in all this?
Quote from: fillup420 on March 03, 2018, 08:37:16 PM
Am I the only one here wondering what the fate of US 311 will be in all this?
There have been plans, for years, to complete the Exit 196 interchange, creating a new road north connecting to US 311 along New Walkertown Road. In theory, that would be the new alignment for US 311, bypassing its weird routing through Winston-Salem. However, with the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway being built, that has firmly taken a backseat and may likely never be built.
Quote from: WashuOtaku on March 03, 2018, 11:08:35 PM
Quote from: fillup420 on March 03, 2018, 08:37:16 PM
Am I the only one here wondering what the fate of US 311 will be in all this?
There have been plans, for years, to complete the Exit 196 interchange, creating a new road north connecting to US 311 along New Walkertown Road. In theory, that would be the new alignment for US 311, bypassing its weird routing through Winston-Salem. However, with the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway being built, that has firmly taken a backseat and may likely never be built.
Perhaps as a replacement for that alignment it could be routed along the Bypass with I-74 to the US 311 exit under construction.
Quote from: bob7374 on March 05, 2018, 06:19:03 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on March 03, 2018, 11:08:35 PM
Quote from: fillup420 on March 03, 2018, 08:37:16 PM
Am I the only one here wondering what the fate of US 311 will be in all this?
There have been plans, for years, to complete the Exit 196 interchange, creating a new road north connecting to US 311 along New Walkertown Road. In theory, that would be the new alignment for US 311, bypassing its weird routing through Winston-Salem. However, with the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway being built, that has firmly taken a backseat and may likely never be built.
Perhaps as a replacement for that alignment it could be routed along the Bypass with I-74 to the US 311 exit under construction.
Maybe, but I doubt NCDOT will request it. Honestly, I rather see it decommissioned at this point, it's redundant.
Ideally it would become US 360 north of Winston-Salem and just be I-74 south of it.
Quote from: Takumi on March 06, 2018, 11:02:47 AM
Ideally it would become US 360 north of Winston-Salem and just be I-74 south of it.
Excellent idea.
It may be an excellent idea, but it is also a very fictional one. The US 311 designation is not going anywhere.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 06, 2018, 03:28:28 PM
It may be an excellent idea, but it is also a very fictional one. The US 311 designation is not going anywhere.
Now that it's (barely) a 2-state route, it wouldn't be likely that a designation change would be forthcoming in the near future; that'd involve NCDOT, VADOT, and AASHTO -- and they all have better things to do. Maybe in 15-20 years when I-74 is fully developed in the W-S area, the matter will be revisited -- but don't hold your breath!
Quote from: sparker on March 06, 2018, 05:38:52 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 06, 2018, 03:28:28 PM
It may be an excellent idea, but it is also a very fictional one. The US 311 designation is not going anywhere.
Now that it's (barely) a 2-state route, it wouldn't be likely that a designation change would be forthcoming in the near future; that'd involve NCDOT, VADOT, and AASHTO -- and they all have better things to do. Maybe in 15-20 years when I-74 is fully developed in the W-S area, the matter will be revisited -- but don't hold your breath!
Converting US 311 to US 360 was brought to VDOT's attention by another poster in this forum at the time the CTB was discussing the US 311 extension into Virginia. My recollection was that the idea was not dismissed out of hand, though it was in the context of what to do with the VA 311 designation. Since they ultimately did nothing on that front there isn't as much a need from Virginia's standpoint to renumber US 311 - they seem to be okay with both US and VA 311 being present.
According to a post in the Facebook group SERoads, I-285 signs are going up along US 52 south on Winston-Salem. Here's the post with a photo, admittedly rather blurry, of one of the new signs (replacing the Business 85 shield along the southernmost section):
https://www.facebook.com/groups/seroads/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/seroads/)
I was wondering when Interstate 285 would be signposted along the US 52 corridor. Also, will the exits along the corridor eventually be renumbered, or will they stay the same?
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 26, 2018, 05:04:57 PM
I was wondering when Interstate 285 would be signposted along the US 52 corridor. Also, will the exits along the corridor eventually be renumbered, or will they stay the same?
Definitely renumbered in the future. I don't know when it will happen.
Is NCDOT still planning to take I-285 up to the Northern Beltway after upgrades are complete?
Quote from: Roadsguy on November 26, 2018, 09:48:19 PM
Is NCDOT still planning to take I-285 up to the Northern Beltway after upgrades are complete?
It's speculated by some of our forums here and the W-S Journal, but any confirmation is still years away anyways.
Quote from: bob7374 on November 26, 2018, 03:12:41 PM
According to a post in the Facebook group SERoads, I-285 signs are going up along US 52 south on Winston-Salem. Here's the post with a photo, admittedly rather blurry, of one of the new signs (replacing the Business 85 shield along the southernmost section):
https://www.facebook.com/groups/seroads/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/seroads/)
Indeed, went to W-S up US 52 today then back to Charlotte, and just about every reassurance assembly I saw had an I-285 shield included. None of the BGSs along either I-40 or I-85 have been updated, or the one overhead pull-thru sign NB at the Green 85 split in Lexington. Most of the shields were normal-sized, since they were included with at least 2 other shields, but I did see one larger shield going SB where it's only multiplexed with US 52.
Does anybody know if the exit numbers are going to be changed to I-285 numbering, or keep US-52's?
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on November 27, 2018, 02:34:07 AM
Does anybody know if the exit numbers are going to be changed to I-285 numbering, or keep US-52's?
The very first exit number I saw, which looked like a fairly new sign, appeared to be based on US 52 because it was 82. Most exits are unnumbered at this time.
Here's a couple photos of the new I-285 signage, courtesy of Strider. The first photo is of a large I-285 shield installed where it runs only with US 52:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi285signsstr1118bw.jpg&hash=a6faca8a7210fd6810d153c9c1c786ba5fa2e239)
Here's where the I-285 shield replaced Business 85 on the section routed with US 29/52/70 in Lexington:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi285signsstr1118dw.jpg&hash=395cf99c889cebc8f51d194202f7240e0c225246)
Other photos can be found on my I-285 in NC webpage:
http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut285.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut285.html)
According to Strider, the shields are only on the road itself, not on BGSs or at the entrance ramps. Hopefully, they'll move faster here than they have with I-87 in Raleigh.
Quote from: bob7374 on November 30, 2018, 10:30:35 PM
Here's where the I-285 shield replaced Business 85 on the section routed with US 29/52/70 in Lexington:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi285signsstr1118dw.jpg&hash=395cf99c889cebc8f51d194202f7240e0c225246)
Is Christmas coming early, will NCDOT decommission I-85 Business? Or is it a sad hidden concurrency now?
Quote from: WashuOtaku on December 02, 2018, 05:54:53 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 30, 2018, 10:30:35 PM
Here's where the I-285 shield replaced Business 85 on the section routed with US 29/52/70 in Lexington:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi285signsstr1118dw.jpg&hash=395cf99c889cebc8f51d194202f7240e0c225246)
Is Christmas coming early, will NCDOT decommission I-85 Business? Or is it a sad hidden concurrency now?
Oh hey, I didn't even notice that in the picture the other day. Has signage of Business 85 been removed from the I-285 stretch?
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 02, 2018, 06:37:30 PM
Oh hey, I didn't even notice that in the picture the other day. Has signage of Business 85 been removed from the I-285 stretch?
In all seriousness, let us not assumed they have officially removed I-85 Business until something official; it still shows on their internal maps dated as of October, 2018.
I doubt it's decommisioned - 85B follows 29-70 away from the 285-52 split through Lexington and High Point, so I'm certain it's sticking on the short section to between the split and I-85 to keep it a Business "Loop"
Has it actually been confirmed that the Lexington—High Point section of Business 85 will be removed as well? With the Greensboro section and Business 40 in Winston-Salem being removed, it's not too unlikely...
I suppose the final I-285 BGSes will let us know for sure.
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 02, 2018, 10:40:13 PM
Has it actually been confirmed that the Lexington—High Point section of Business 85 will be removed as well? With the Greensboro section and Business 40 in Winston-Salem being removed, it's not too unlikely...
I suppose the final I-285 BGSes will let us know for sure.
Well if anyone has noticed the green 85 shieds are slowly disappearing from overhead BGS and only on ground mounted signs, such as each side of 85 split in Greensboro and the (now 285/52) / Green 85 split in Lexington.
Google now has I-285, but it is shown ending at Business 85 near Lexington. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 28, 2018, 07:59:01 PM
Google now has I-285, but it is shown ending at Business 85 near Lexington. :rolleyes:
Meanwhile, they haven't removed it from I-85 through Greensboro. Guess par for the course. This is the same Google Maps that currently has US 64 between Zebulon and Williamston marked also as Old US 64.
Extend 285 south along 85 to Atlanta, then around the loop and to Tallahassee and Tampa.
We did not see any I-285 signs when we drove up I-85 on Sunday. As is noted further up the thread, the Green I-85 sign just north of the Yadkin River was on a ground-mounted LGS off to the right just before Exit 87. Looked like it was positioned for easy removal.
Apple Maps shows I-285, BTW, running all the way down to that interchange. Five shields shown on the ramp: I-285, US-29, US-52, US-70, and Green I-85.
NCDOT has posted plans for a Division 9 contract to update overhead and ramp signage along I-285 between Lexington and Winston-Salem, including on I-85 and I-40. Here's one of the I-40 sign plans:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi285signplani40eb1ma519.jpg&hash=cdd03d60bad2a3d0062c68d23f8ca6c1f6006bb7)
As can be seen, there will no longer be references to US 311, due to decommissioning, nor for NC 8, which will still be signed along the route, but de-emphasized. Meanwhile, Business 85 is being removed from signage on I-85 in the Lexington area while US 29 and US 70 are being demoted to an auxiliary sign on I-85 North. For additional sign plan images, go to:
http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut285.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut285.html)
The sign plans are below the photos section. The contract letting for which the sign plans were produced was to happen last week, but was postponed. The contract documents indicate the project was to start this fall, which may still happen in a new letting, not yet announced.
Quote from: bob7374 on May 30, 2019, 05:54:40 PM
NCDOT has posted plans for a Division 9 contract to update overhead and ramp signage along I-285 between Lexington and Winston-Salem, including on I-85 and I-40. Here's one of the I-40 sign plans:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi285signplani40eb1ma519.jpg&hash=cdd03d60bad2a3d0062c68d23f8ca6c1f6006bb7)
As can be seen, there will no longer be references to US 311, due to decommissioning, nor for NC 8, which will still be signed along the route, but de-emphasized. Meanwhile, Business 85 is being removed from signage on I-85 in the Lexington area while US 29 and US 70 are being demoted to an auxiliary sign on I-85 North. For additional sign plan images, go to:
http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut285.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut285.html)
The sign plans are below the photos section. The contract letting for which the sign plans were produced was to happen last week, but was postponed. The contract documents indicate the project was to start this fall, which may still happen in a new letting, not yet announced.
Where were these plans actually posted? Were they in the normal place for plan sheets but later pulled down when letting was postponed?
Just drove I-40 through W-S 2 weeks ago, NCDOT has not updated the ramp or approach signage to the 52/285 exit yet.
Quote from: goobnav on May 31, 2019, 07:19:06 AM
Just drove I-40 through W-S 2 weeks ago, NCDOT has updated the ramp or approach signage to the 52/285 exit yet.
Good news is, these sign plans will fix that :)
Quote from: Roadsguy on May 30, 2019, 06:27:47 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on May 30, 2019, 05:54:40 PM
NCDOT has posted plans for a Division 9 contract to update overhead and ramp signage along I-285 between Lexington and Winston-Salem, including on I-85 and I-40. Here's one of the I-40 sign plans:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi285signplani40eb1ma519.jpg&hash=cdd03d60bad2a3d0062c68d23f8ca6c1f6006bb7)
As can be seen, there will no longer be references to US 311, due to decommissioning, nor for NC 8, which will still be signed along the route, but de-emphasized. Meanwhile, Business 85 is being removed from signage on I-85 in the Lexington area while US 29 and US 70 are being demoted to an auxiliary sign on I-85 North. For additional sign plan images, go to:
http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut285.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut285.html)
The sign plans are below the photos section. The contract letting for which the sign plans were produced was to happen last week, but was postponed. The contract documents indicate the project was to start this fall, which may still happen in a new letting, not yet announced.
Where were these plans actually posted? Were they in the normal place for plan sheets but later pulled down when letting was postponed?
The plans have been 'archived' on the Division 9 Letting List page. They are available (along with the note of cancellation) at:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=9&let_date=2019-05-22%2000:00:00 (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=9&let_date=2019-05-22%2000:00:00)
AASHTO approved NCDOT's request for to establish "Future I-285" along US 52 between I-40 and future I-74/I-274 interchange in Winston-Salem.
Here's the final report from the 2019 Spring Meeting (https://s3.amazonaws.com/v3-app_crowdc/assets/3/31/31119030d9a75754/Final_Report_to_CHS_USRN_Application_Results_Spring_2019.original.1558475352.pdf?1558475353).
Is there a current corridor defined where new signs will be placed?
Quote from: kendancy66 on June 04, 2019, 06:32:24 PM
Is there a current corridor defined where new signs will be placed?
From I-85 Lexington to I-40 Winston-Salem, to be signed by this fall.
Some of it is not even up to interstate standards near the I-85 split in Lexington.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7823328,-80.3120453,3a,75y,49.27h,70.73t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAKuBZI4iusG74cytcMCm2A!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DAKuBZI4iusG74cytcMCm2A%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D116.52117%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 28, 2019, 01:22:40 AM
Some of it is not even up to interstate standards near the I-85 split in Lexington.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7823328,-80.3120453,3a,75y,49.27h,70.73t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAKuBZI4iusG74cytcMCm2A!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DAKuBZI4iusG74cytcMCm2A%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D116.52117%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
That part does meet interstate standards.
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 28, 2019, 01:28:42 AM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 28, 2019, 01:22:40 AM
Some of it is not even up to interstate standards near the I-85 split in Lexington.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7823328,-80.3120453,3a,75y,49.27h,70.73t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAKuBZI4iusG74cytcMCm2A!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DAKuBZI4iusG74cytcMCm2A%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D116.52117%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
That part does meet interstate standards.
Ah. So it's just the shoulders. I thought the highway itself needs more spacing for the middle median.
Or, at least put a barrier in the middle.
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 28, 2019, 01:30:13 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 28, 2019, 01:28:42 AM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 28, 2019, 01:22:40 AM
Some of it is not even up to interstate standards near the I-85 split in Lexington.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7823328,-80.3120453,3a,75y,49.27h,70.73t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAKuBZI4iusG74cytcMCm2A!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DAKuBZI4iusG74cytcMCm2A%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D116.52117%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
That part does meet interstate standards.
Ah. So it's just the shoulders. I thought the highway itself needs more spacing for the middle median.
Or, at least put a barrier in the middle.
Preferably a wider median is used, but since this was a pre-existing roadway, as long as there's some sort of guardrail or cable barrier in the narrower median (which there is), it would work. One of the off ramps was substandard though was actually realigned and corrected in order to allow this stretch to meet interstate standards. They could have widened the median by constructing a new roadway to the outside and tearing up the existing roadway, replacing all of the bridges, etc. but it would've been expensive and not really accomplish much except -a lot- of money wasted.
If you notice, the segment north of here is much newer and used a wider (70 ft) median.
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 28, 2019, 01:33:36 AM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 28, 2019, 01:30:13 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 28, 2019, 01:28:42 AM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 28, 2019, 01:22:40 AM
Some of it is not even up to interstate standards near the I-85 split in Lexington.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7823328,-80.3120453,3a,75y,49.27h,70.73t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAKuBZI4iusG74cytcMCm2A!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DAKuBZI4iusG74cytcMCm2A%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D116.52117%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
That part does meet interstate standards.
Ah. So it's just the shoulders. I thought the highway itself needs more spacing for the middle median.
Or, at least put a barrier in the middle.
If you notice, the segment north of here is much newer and used a wider (70 ft) median.
Yeah, that part is fine. It's up to interstate standards and is ready to be signed.
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 28, 2019, 01:36:03 AM
Yeah, that part is fine. It's up to interstate standards and is ready to be signed.
It's already signed as of last November. I don't know if the overhead signage has been updated though.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmalmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi285signsstr1118dw.jpg&hash=716701cfdbf92ab5075157f412986306a5e88ac4)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmalmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi285signsstr1118bw.jpg&hash=ba06dc70dbcfc4492bf92c27a9a248c85e500cdc)
http://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut285.html
^^
It can probably be seen if Google Maps finally updates their street view images to 2019. They are still 2017.
as of 2 weeks ago, the signs at the 85/285 split have no mention of 285. only 29/52/70
and as of yesterday, no mention of 285 on I-40 either way in winston salem
I'm sure 285 will be fully signed eventually. These things take time.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 30, 2019, 06:48:04 PM
I'm sure 285 will be fully signed eventually. These things take time.
Remember, I-87 shields were put up in September 2017, but wasn't put on overhead signage until May 2019.
At that rate, I-285 will be put up on overhead signage in mid to late 2020.
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 30, 2019, 06:53:26 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 30, 2019, 06:48:04 PM
I'm sure 285 will be fully signed eventually. These things take time.
Remember, I-87 shields were put up in September 2017, but wasn't put on overhead signage until May 2019.
At that rate, I-285 will be put up on overhead signage in mid to late 2020.
See Reply #83 for what's still the latest info. Signage probably going up in the fall.
NCDOT has now rescheduled the previously postponed Division 9 letting of the project that will put up I-285 overhead signs and ramp signage between I-85 and I-40 and remove US 311 signage from I-40 and I-74 in Guilford County. The new letting date is September 26. The plans can be accessed at the bottom of the letting details page:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=9&let_date=2019-09-25%2000:00:00 (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=9&let_date=2019-09-25%2000:00:00)
The good news is that the Division 9 contract to provide overhead and ramp signage for I-285 between Lexington and Winston-Salem, and place new signs without US 311 shields on I-40 and I-74 in Forsyth County, has been approved. The bad news is that the completion date given in the new NCDOT Construction Progress listing is for Sept. 2020. Given that this is not a very complex project that shouldn't take too long when started, this could mean that new signs could go up by the end of the year or not until next summer. I'll plan to monitor the progress page to see if it provides any clues.
An update on the I-285 overhead signing project. According to the NCDOT Construction Progress Report entry, work started on 02/26/2020. Don't know though if the I-285 portion will be first or the part of the contract that will remove US 311 signs along I-40 and I-74 in Forsyth County. I'll monitor traffic camera images and traffic advisories along those routes and US 52 to see what roads they're working on.
Now that Business 85 #1 (between Interstate 85's Exits 87 and 120) is being decommissioned, perhaps NCDOT could start numbering the exits along US 29/70 like they did on the now-decommissioned Business 85 #2. In fact, both Business 85 #1 and #2's exits should have their exits numbered via the mileage of US 29 (ditto with the exits along the portion of US 29 that follows Ohenry Blvd. between Interstate 40 and Interstates 785/840).
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 02, 2020, 05:08:03 PM
Now that Business 85 #1 (between Interstate 85's Exits 87 and 120) is being decommissioned, perhaps NCDOT could start numbering the exits along US 29/70 like they did on the now-decommissioned Business 85 #2. In fact, both Business 85 #1 and #2's exits should have their exits numbered via the mileage of US 29 (ditto with the exits along the portion of US 29 that follows Ohenry Blvd. between Interstate 40 and Interstates 785/840).
In a perfect world the exits from I-85 to I-40 (23-ish miles) would be re numbered to I-285 exit numbers. But, right now, I'll just take completion of the ongoing signing project in total lol.
Quote from: bob7374 on March 02, 2020, 12:38:41 PM
An update on the I-285 overhead signing project. According to the NCDOT Construction Progress Report entry, work started on 02/26/2020. Don't know though if the I-285 portion will be first or the part of the contract that will remove US 311 signs along I-40 and I-74 in Forsyth County. I'll monitor traffic camera images and traffic advisories along those routes and US 52 to see what roads they're working on.
As of last Tuesday, none of the overheads in the Lexington area had been changed. Had to make a trip from Charlotte to W-S and back. Going back to Charlotte I got on I-285 from the Hickory Tree Rd exit, so I did not get to see any overheads along I-40. But I did drive the newly reopened Salem Pkwy from US 52 to Peters Creek Pkwy. Very nice!!!
Contractors have put up overhead signs on I-85 with I-285 shields, here's one, thanks to Billy Riddle:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi285signsbr320aw.jpg&hash=65775b904c3a81b95b3cfedb99f5d59d20d5b476)
They are also adding new signs to I-285 itself, including replacing the reassurance markers put up in the fall of 2018 with new small green signs, also thanks to Billy Riddle:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi285signsbr320cw.jpg&hash=26b02093ee96c126e86592729b5605a7aab5ae88)
Work under this contract will include new signage at the split with US 29 and 70 (Former Business 85), at on-ramps, and along I-40 in Winston-Salem in the next few months.
Quote from: bob7374 on March 25, 2020, 12:33:14 PM
Contractors have put up overhead signs on I-85 with I-285 shields, here's one, thanks to Billy Riddle:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi285signsbr320aw.jpg&hash=65775b904c3a81b95b3cfedb99f5d59d20d5b476)
They are also adding new signs to I-285 itself, including replacing the reassurance markers put up in the fall of 2018 with new small green signs, also thanks to Billy Riddle:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi285signsbr320cw.jpg&hash=26b02093ee96c126e86592729b5605a7aab5ae88)
Work under this contract will include new signage at the split with US 29 and 70 (Former Business 85), at on-ramps, and along I-40 in Winston-Salem in the next few months.
Has all the Business 85 signage been removed from I-285 at this point, or is it still ongoing? My understanding from reading the plans was that Business 85 (even if it may still officially exist there until its planned total decommissioning) would be completely unsigned on I-285, even at the split with US 29/70 (except for a single northbound supplemental sign).
I do find it funny how both the I-85/I-285 and the I-285/Business 85 splits are both Exit 87, so they're just relocating the existing supplemental sign from I-85 without any modification.
Not very good traffic camera image from earlier today showing replacement of previous I-40 East/US 311 South exit sign with one with I-40 only earlier this week, part of I-285 overhead sign project:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi285tcI40esign4420.jpg&hash=0e3cd887138cc0600154b52f0638ac1719a783ea)
A Traffic Alert has now appeared on the DriveNC.gov state map that indicates lane closures on I-285 for sign installation:
I-285 (US 52)
- Mile Marker 85 to 100, Both Directions
- Lexington and Welcome, Davidson County
Construction: Lane Closed. The NCDOT contractor will be placing periodic lane closures, to replace the existing overhead roadway signs. 1 of 2 lanes closed. Expected impact to traffic is Medium.
Timeframe
Start : Thu, Apr 2, 2020, 7:00 PM End: Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 11:00 PM
A similar alert appears for I-74 in Forsyth County, for removal of US 311 signs with the same timeframe. It appears then that the sign replacement projects should be complete by the end of this month.
It appears all the new I-285 overheads have been put up on that route and for the I-85 and I-40 approaches as well. Here are some new photos contributed by Strider. First, from I-85 North:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi285str420fw.jpg&hash=315833476a75c745eae0addc0f772573c82f72ab)
At the now I-285 and US 52 split with Business 85 (only on an auxiliary sign), US 29 and US 70:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi285str420bw.jpg&hash=c389e08384f4e822ccbec2528ad607e70e4b5c7f)
and along I-40, in this case westbound:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi285str420ow.jpg&hash=539212d7c9a038aa422079c1d56a49bb94f8ac4b)
Some shields have been removed from the new signage as well. The complete set of photos are at:
http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut285.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut285.html)