Is there a special guideline when placing reassurance route markers on state highways? For instance, at this intersection in Old Bridge, NJ, there is a route marker northbound, but not southbound: http://goo.gl/maps/BGKqW
This one really bothers me, at this horrible intersection: http://goo.gl/maps/iEFc8 while there are route markers on each corner but this one: http://goo.gl/maps/MeJCA (Route 33 westbound)
Since NJ follows the federal MUTŠ”D, I believe the guidelines are that reassurance markers should be posted periodically along the road, esp. when it's not clear which road you are on.
I wouldn't be surprised if it simply comes down to the sign was knocked down at some point and never replaced.
It's New Jersey, so there's a tendency to provide poor and confusing signage that makes it really easy for people not familiar with the area to get lost. To give an example, yesterday, I was entering the state on US 202 from New York, where you have to make a right turn just over the state line to stay on US 202 rather than continue straight and wind up on CR 507. There was no signage to indicate this, so I'm sure that out-of-towners inevitably get lost there if they don't have good directions.
Quote from: dgolub on May 04, 2014, 10:33:02 AM
It's New Jersey, so there's a tendency to provide poor and confusing signage that makes it really easy for people not familiar with the area to get lost. To give an example, yesterday, I was entering the state on US 202 from New York, where you have to make a right turn just over the state line to stay on US 202 rather than continue straight and wind up on CR 507. There was no signage to indicate this, so I'm sure that out-of-towners inevitably get lost there if they don't have good directions.
Are you sure? I'm seeing both a CR 507 shield and a US 202 SOUTH -> assembly at the intersection right after passing into New Jersey:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.107133,-74.149809,3a,15y,190.18h,86.72t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1stVSAO9r9cvwxnuUYkGqqHA!2e0
When you fill out the online maintenance form, little to no action is done :banghead:
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/potholeform.shtm
That is because Bergen County DPW is responsible for that part of US-202. :sombrero:
Quote from: Zeffy on May 04, 2014, 11:02:55 AM
Quote from: dgolub on May 04, 2014, 10:33:02 AM
It's New Jersey, so there's a tendency to provide poor and confusing signage that makes it really easy for people not familiar with the area to get lost. To give an example, yesterday, I was entering the state on US 202 from New York, where you have to make a right turn just over the state line to stay on US 202 rather than continue straight and wind up on CR 507. There was no signage to indicate this, so I'm sure that out-of-towners inevitably get lost there if they don't have good directions.
Are you sure? I'm seeing both a CR 507 shield and a US 202 SOUTH -> assembly at the intersection right after passing into New Jersey:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.107133,-74.149809,3a,15y,190.18h,86.72t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1stVSAO9r9cvwxnuUYkGqqHA!2e0
I must have missed it not having the best view from where I was sitting on the bus. Still, from the Street View image, it looks like there's no advance notice that you have to turn to stay on US 202 until you're right at the intersection and no signage for CR 507 until you're on it.
I like the construction projects that take place in NJ as well. They have several projects that reconfigured interchanges where mileage signs were never replaced after construction finished.
The mileage sign just south of the US 1 and US 9 split in Woodbridge was removed when the grade separation between SB US 9 and NB US 1 was redone and is no longer there. Also nearby the SB NJ 35 mileage sign for Keyport- Eatontown- Seaside Heights (which was poorly placed to begin with) was removed and never put back when the US 1/9 & NJ 35 cloverleaf was redone to a diamond interchange.
NJ seems to do this on a regular basis as well and like someone said, they are bad about replacing knocked down signs too.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 07, 2014, 08:56:15 AM
NJ seems to do this on a regular basis as well and like someone said, they are bad about replacing knocked down signs too.
I have called NJDOT and they told me municipalities are the ones who need to get permission to put up practically any sign. They said NJDOT just can't put up a sign, but this seems dumb. When I called the municipality that the missing sign on the
state highway it's located in, they gave me the run around and said it's a state highway. NJDOT sucks.
Quote from: J Route Z on May 08, 2014, 06:57:45 PM
I have called NJDOT and they told me municipalities are the ones who need to get permission to put up practically any sign. They said NJDOT just can't put up a sign, but this seems dumb. When I called the municipality that the missing sign on the state highway it's located in, they gave me the run around and said it's a state highway. NJDOT sucks.
Where's the sign that needs to be put up located? If all else fails you can go the NJDOT Facility in the county, or, if that fails, the offices in Trenton.
Over here in Coos County Oregon, we got SR 540 BGS's placed on US 101 but no state route signs. When I wrote ODOT, they said they had none planned. WTF? I took my case to my state rep and she got the ball rolling. Now there's 540 signs!
Beat the bureaucrats. Trump 'em with a politician!
Rick
Quote from: J Route Z on May 08, 2014, 06:57:45 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 07, 2014, 08:56:15 AM
NJ seems to do this on a regular basis as well and like someone said, they are bad about replacing knocked down signs too.
I have called NJDOT and they told me municipalities are the ones who need to get permission to put up practically any sign. They said NJDOT just can't put up a sign, but this seems dumb. When I called the municipality that the missing sign on the state highway it's located in, they gave me the run around and said it's a state highway. NJDOT sucks.
That doesn't sound right, especially for a simple route sign.
Per their website, try these numbers:
Traffic Engineering 609.530.2600 or 609.530.3717
There are things that the towns have to sign off on, such as bus stops, bus shelters, traffic lights, etc. But a route sign should be easy to request. (When they get around to installing it is another story.)
Perhaps I'll give it another shot. And for one above who asked which municipality..well I have a large list hehe. But I'll keep it brief. One example is on Route 9 in Freehold Twp, Monmouth County (as you can see from my US 9 logo, one of my favorite highways, yeah right!!). This major road I'm sure you guys are all (if not, most familiar with it), and there are several ramps that merge onto this highway, without a merge sign (http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100521021934/cybernations/images/5/54/Merge_sign.svg). At some ramps, there are buses and trucks that come on suddenly and these signs would help motorists use caution for the merging traffic. There are various ramps on this highway throughout towns in Monmouth and Middlesex Counties, as well as other state highways. If there is a ramp with adequate merge room, there should be a sign posted.
Quote from: Zeffy on May 08, 2014, 07:02:59 PM
Quote from: J Route Z on May 08, 2014, 06:57:45 PM
I have called NJDOT and they told me municipalities are the ones who need to get permission to put up practically any sign. They said NJDOT just can't put up a sign, but this seems dumb. When I called the municipality that the missing sign on the state highway it's located in, they gave me the run around and said it's a state highway. NJDOT sucks.
Where's the sign that needs to be put up located? If all else fails you can go the NJDOT Facility in the county, or, if that fails, the offices in Trenton.
Now, a reassurance route marker that is missing is located on Route 34 southbound in Old Bridge, just south of the Disbrow Road intersection (I provided some street view links above). Used the online maintenance form one month ago, just past there yesterday and no sign. So I have come to resort to calling one of those numbers. There are plenty of these missing, where one is posted north but not south, or one is posted east but not west of an intersection and vice versa for both.
You want to talk about US 9, how about the left exit for the Garden State Parkway NB & I-95 from the northbound lanes in Woodbridge where two lanes exit an substandard signing. You have only a gore sign, but no advance signage and you would figure with US 9 being a major freeway here as well as both the Turnpike and Parkway that overhead signage including an advance exit guide being that the exit is on the left.
Plus you have to do a lane shift as US 9 passing under NJ 440 is two lanes wide where it merges with the Exit 127 ramp of the Parkway afterwards. Those new lanes become the US 9 lanes while the two US 9 lanes end up having its left lane default onto the GSP and NJT so this is another factor to having such signs. However, NJDOT did place a ground sign near New Brunswick Avenue saying "US 9 North to Newark to Keep Right" after I wrote a letter to NJDOT where they did respond to me saying they would as many motorists pointed that one out to them as well.
I do not know why NJDOT never put up adequate signing there when lane changing for a mainline exists and every other road including New Brunswick Avenue exit just before this one and the SB US 9 left exit for the Parkway both have overhead assemblies as well
Occasionally, pointing things out to NJDOT does result in some action. On 295, the 1 Mile Ahead sign for Rt. 70 was removed at one point (I forget right now if it was due to construction in the area or maybe a structure issue). Anyway, well after the construction was completed in the area, the sign was never replaced. This resulted in a fairly major interchange having just one advanced BGS: 1/4 mile before the interchange. I wrote NJDOT about it, and not too long after they put up a new 1 mile BGS...but just using 4"x6" wood posts, not steel poles. They've cracked a few times and replaced quickly, but I'm still wondering why a normal sign installation hasn't been completed.
Granted, they could've had the sign sitting in the sign shop and just not put up yet...but I like to think I had something to do with it. :clap:
So writing to them works (sorta)? Hmm, would it be this address:
Department of Transportation
P.O. Box 600
Trenton, NJ 08625-0600
And to Roadman65, I absolutely hate that intersection. heh, I don't live too far from there, maybe 25 min or so. In addition, they are supposed to resurface Route 9 in both directions, including at this interchange (where southbound is on one side of the GSP and northbound is on the other) The project (http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/about/press/2013/072413.shtm) says that they would repave from Green Street in Woodbridge all the way down to Ryan Road/Symmes Drive in Manalapan (about 18 miles). The part that I travel often and noticed they didn't even have markouts in the pavement is located here: http://goo.gl/maps/5zFNP Well, maybe they will get to it eventually, but who knows. It is in real rough condition. They did a nice job southbound between Mile 129 and 117. Northbound is still in the works. Lighting is an issue (at Route 18 interchange and Ernston Road interchange). Some signage is poor. The Route 9/35 concurrency is signed poorly. There should be reassurance route markers for this stretch. This exit southbound has a right lane which is only for the exit. This sign I believe is missing, causing people to cut over a lane last minute: http://goo.gl/maps/vKCby
The interchange with Route 35 and Route 9 is also in need of rebuilding. There are actually plans to improve it, but not until like 2020 or so: http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/capital/stip1423/sec3/routes/rt35.pdf
There are two numbers provided. Anyone know which one? Unless both couldn't hurt. And that address is the only one I saw on the contact page.
Try the 3717 one first. That may be more direct to the department.
Quote from: dgolub on May 06, 2014, 08:56:18 AM
Quote from: Zeffy on May 04, 2014, 11:02:55 AM
Quote from: dgolub on May 04, 2014, 10:33:02 AM
It's New Jersey, so there's a tendency to provide poor and confusing signage that makes it really easy for people not familiar with the area to get lost. To give an example, yesterday, I was entering the state on US 202 from New York, where you have to make a right turn just over the state line to stay on US 202 rather than continue straight and wind up on CR 507. There was no signage to indicate this, so I'm sure that out-of-towners inevitably get lost there if they don't have good directions.
Are you sure? I'm seeing both a CR 507 shield and a US 202 SOUTH -> assembly at the intersection right after passing into New Jersey:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.107133,-74.149809,3a,15y,190.18h,86.72t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1stVSAO9r9cvwxnuUYkGqqHA!2e0
I must have missed it not having the best view from where I was sitting on the bus. Still, from the Street View image, it looks like there's no advance notice that you have to turn to stay on US 202 until you're right at the intersection and no signage for CR 507 until you're on it.
I think that some of that is due to the state line being just slightly north of the intersection. The warning signs should definitely be placed, but why would NY place the signs to inform you of an intersection in NJ?
Quote from: mrsman on May 18, 2014, 07:49:23 AM
Quote from: dgolub on May 06, 2014, 08:56:18 AM
Quote from: Zeffy on May 04, 2014, 11:02:55 AM
Quote from: dgolub on May 04, 2014, 10:33:02 AM
It's New Jersey, so there's a tendency to provide poor and confusing signage that makes it really easy for people not familiar with the area to get lost. To give an example, yesterday, I was entering the state on US 202 from New York, where you have to make a right turn just over the state line to stay on US 202 rather than continue straight and wind up on CR 507. There was no signage to indicate this, so I'm sure that out-of-towners inevitably get lost there if they don't have good directions.
Are you sure? I'm seeing both a CR 507 shield and a US 202 SOUTH -> assembly at the intersection right after passing into New Jersey:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.107133,-74.149809,3a,15y,190.18h,86.72t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1stVSAO9r9cvwxnuUYkGqqHA!2e0
I must have missed it not having the best view from where I was sitting on the bus. Still, from the Street View image, it looks like there's no advance notice that you have to turn to stay on US 202 until you're right at the intersection and no signage for CR 507 until you're on it.
I think that some of that is due to the state line being just slightly north of the intersection. The warning signs should definitely be placed, but why would NY place the signs to inform you of an intersection in NJ?
How about to make things easier for drivers? There are plenty of places on interstates (I-95 and I-84 crossing between New York and Connecticut come to mind) where each state has signage for the first exit in the other state. Why not similarly on the local roads?
Just an update, I passed by the Disbrow Road intersection going on Route 34 southbound yesterday and the sign was put up finally! :clap: Let's see if they will take my other requests.
The signage to continue on NJ 27 South in Metuchen is TERRIBLE. One single reassurance on the green overhead street sign after the street name, and if you miss it or are in the wrong lane, you're on CR 501 West with no access to route 27.