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Title: Is there a term for...
Post by: texaskdog on May 15, 2014, 08:25:29 AM
...a US highway that closely follows an interstate that has hardly any traffic on it but never gets decommissioned?  Thinking of roads in Oklahoma for example, or US 90 through east Texas. I can't think of a term that fits
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: hotdogPi on May 15, 2014, 02:31:31 PM
I'm not sure if there is a name for it.

I think US 5 in certain places would be another example, though.
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: jakeroot on May 15, 2014, 03:30:33 PM
I would call it functionally obsolete.
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 15, 2014, 03:40:54 PM
Why would it need to be decommissioned?  Traffic Volumes don't play a part in whose jurisdiction a road should be maintained by or signed, does it?
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: TheStranger on May 15, 2014, 03:46:15 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 15, 2014, 03:40:54 PM
Why would it need to be decommissioned?  Traffic Volumes don't play a part in whose jurisdiction a road should be maintained by or signed, does it?

I think it depends really state-to-state.  For instance, because California had been very aggressive in rerouting US routes to parallel freeways, when Interstate signage came along and supplanted those corridors, the US routes generally were decommissioned in 1964 or later (after having been co-signed with those US routes for a time).  (Some surface street routings remained in the state system but as individual state routes, many then taken out of the system in 1965)

Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: wxfree on May 15, 2014, 04:30:25 PM
The most familiar example to me is US 77 in Hill and southern Ellis Counties in Texas.  Based on what I've seen there, I'd call those "de-emphasized highways."
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: TEG24601 on May 15, 2014, 05:09:26 PM
Depending on the distance I either call them "Parallel Highways" or "Companion Highways".  Parallel usually means they are a ways away, like US-30 is to I-80 through Nebraska.  Companion are always mentioned at exits, and are often a few blocks or even adjacent to the Interstate.
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: Revive 755 on May 15, 2014, 08:54:42 PM
On a somewhat less serious note, I'd nominate:

* The Scenic" Route
* The Way Less Traveled
* The Handy Construction/Incident Bypass route


Must say I like the 'Companion Route' name though
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: GaryV on May 15, 2014, 09:06:52 PM
The old road.
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: Scott5114 on May 15, 2014, 11:28:40 PM
I would just call it a bypassed road.
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: texaskdog on May 16, 2014, 09:32:59 AM
"Shadow road" "hanger on"  gotta be something better.  "the old road" is too generic.  Anyone?  Froggie?  Ne2?
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: vtk on May 16, 2014, 11:06:03 AM
Call it a MySpace Route.
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: Mapmikey on May 16, 2014, 11:38:19 AM
How about:

Parallel Route
Companion Route
Grandfather Route


Garfunkel Route?

Mapmikey


Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: Zzonkmiles on May 19, 2014, 09:37:19 AM
I'd nominate the following:

Interstate Shadow
"Route Make Sure Your Car Has Enough Gas"
Wide Load Road
"No Tresspassing Sign Buyers Alley" (Seriously, who lives back there?)

US 21 in South Carolina south of Rock Hill and north of maybe Ridgeway is as desolate as it gets because of I-77. There is absolutely NOTHING here.
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: texaskdog on May 19, 2014, 09:56:25 AM
They call our frontage roads "feeder roads" "service roads" ..i'm forgetting a few I'm sure.  THey have like 5 names I would think there could be one for these.
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: hotdogPi on May 19, 2014, 03:39:33 PM
Quote from: Zzonkmiles on May 19, 2014, 09:37:19 AM
"Route Make Sure Your Car Has Enough Gas"

No. The gas stations are all found on these roads, not the Interstates. It is easier to find gas on the surface roads.
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: Brandon on May 19, 2014, 05:17:58 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 19, 2014, 03:39:33 PM
Quote from: Zzonkmiles on May 19, 2014, 09:37:19 AM
"Route Make Sure Your Car Has Enough Gas"

No. The gas stations are all found on these roads, not the Interstates. It is easier to find gas on the surface roads.

It is?  Ever been on US-6 between Tonopah and Ely, Nevada?  I-80 has more filling stations.  I can name more than a few downstate Illinois rural highways with fewer filling stations than I-55 or I-57.
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: Scott5114 on May 19, 2014, 07:45:20 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 16, 2014, 09:32:59 AM
"Shadow road"

Ooo, I like "shadow route". Not only does it shadow (follow along with) the Interstate route, it's usually outshadowed by the Interstate and becomes a shadow of its former self. I nominate this term.
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: vdeane on May 19, 2014, 11:38:49 PM
Quote from: Brandon on May 19, 2014, 05:17:58 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 19, 2014, 03:39:33 PM
Quote from: Zzonkmiles on May 19, 2014, 09:37:19 AM
"Route Make Sure Your Car Has Enough Gas"

No. The gas stations are all found on these roads, not the Interstates. It is easier to find gas on the surface roads.

It is?  Ever been on US-6 between Tonopah and Ely, Nevada?  I-80 has more filling stations.  I can name more than a few downstate Illinois rural highways with fewer filling stations than I-55 or I-57.
I-80 technically doesn't have any.  You have to get off and use the gas stations on the surface roads near the exits.
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: SD Mapman on May 19, 2014, 11:44:23 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 19, 2014, 07:45:20 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 16, 2014, 09:32:59 AM
"Shadow road"

Ooo, I like "shadow route". Not only does it shadow (follow along with) the Interstate route, it's usually outshadowed by the Interstate and becomes a shadow of its former self. I nominate this term.
Second!
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: Henry on May 20, 2014, 03:07:22 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 19, 2014, 07:45:20 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 16, 2014, 09:32:59 AM
"Shadow road"

Ooo, I like "shadow route". Not only does it shadow (follow along with) the Interstate route, it's usually outshadowed by the Interstate and becomes a shadow of its former self. I nominate this term.
Perhaps ghost highway, even though it really doesn't fit the term like a ghost ramp would.
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: Brandon on May 20, 2014, 04:12:40 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 19, 2014, 11:38:49 PM
Quote from: Brandon on May 19, 2014, 05:17:58 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 19, 2014, 03:39:33 PM
Quote from: Zzonkmiles on May 19, 2014, 09:37:19 AM
"Route Make Sure Your Car Has Enough Gas"

No. The gas stations are all found on these roads, not the Interstates. It is easier to find gas on the surface roads.

It is?  Ever been on US-6 between Tonopah and Ely, Nevada?  I-80 has more filling stations.  I can name more than a few downstate Illinois rural highways with fewer filling stations than I-55 or I-57.
I-80 technically doesn't have any.  You have to get off and use the gas stations on the surface roads near the exits.

Technically, yes.  In reality, including exiting the freeway and getting back on, no.  I would include filling stations at interchanges as being "on" I-80 as they are easily accessible from the freeway.
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 20, 2014, 04:27:23 PM
US-6 is not a "shadow" for any interstate in Nevada, so it is outside the realm of this discussion.  whether or not there are gas stations is determined by how much need there is for gas on US-6, not as a factor of I-80 being in the same state.
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: jp the roadgeek on May 24, 2014, 01:06:40 PM
A shunpike if it parallels a toll road.
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: empirestate on May 25, 2014, 01:31:59 AM
"Oxbow" is a fitting term if the US highway isn't continuous, but loops off from the Interstate in discrete segments.
Title: Re: Is there a term for...
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 25, 2014, 04:07:42 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 15, 2014, 08:25:29 AM
...a US highway that closely follows an interstate that has hardly any traffic on it but never gets decommissioned?  Thinking of roads in Oklahoma for example, or US 90 through east Texas. I can't think of a term that fits

U.S. 40 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_40_in_Maryland) is the longest highway in Maryland at over 200 miles.

But it cannot make up its mind if it wants to be on one of the Interstates or "by itself."

It is multiplexed with I-68 for a long run across the mountains of Western Maryland (including the substandard Cumberland Thruway), but after a short distance with I-70 at the narrowest part of the state near Hancock, it sets off on its own, following an old alignment through Hagerstown and to Frederick.  At Frederick, it rejoins I-70 until it reaches the western Baltimore suburbs, where it diverges from I-70 and crosses Baltimore City, picking up the decommissioned I-170 and then Orleans Street and then onto Pulaski Highway.  As Pulaski Highway, it runs parallel to I-95 all the way to the Delaware border, but it has no multiplexed section with I-95.