I noticed as I was driving over the GW bridge a yellow warning sign on Exit 1A saying (Last exit in NY),
Normaly a yellow warning sign with an exit sign warns you something important like (Last exit before toll) so people have a last chance to get off to avoid tolls.
is it unusual to put warning signs before a state border like NY-NJ on highways like NY thruway or in NY near the hudson river bridge.
on I-90 entering NY border I see Leaving Massachusetts sign, normaly at border I see a welcome sign but not a leaving sign.
I also seen warning signs on Rest arias saying (Last serves aria), but sometimes like on I-95 in Ct near East Haven (Last serves before I-91)
If Its considered important to traffic to know about unusual Last exit warnings and leaving state signs this
if so I suggest in Massachussets
On I-95 NB in Sailsbury to put up a yellow (Last Exit in Massachussets) sign with (Exit 60 Rt-286) and SB in Attobaro (Exit 1 (Last Exit in Massachussets) US-1 south Brodway) and after Exit 1 2 underpasses after (Leaving Massachusetts come back soon)
On I-90 mass pike WB near Charlton rest aria put up a warning sign (Last serves before I-84) for example (Charlton Services aria (Last serves before I-84) 2 miles) becasue After Charlton is the I-84 Interchange and there no serves aria on I-84.
On I-84 southbound near Exit 1 put up (Exit 1( last exit in Massachusetts) Mashapaug Road Southbridge) and near the Ct border like on the first sign of Exit 74 put up (Leaving Massachusetts come back soon) so they know they left Massachussets
IN Connecticut I suggest on I-95 soutbounds Exit 2 and I-84 westbounds Exit 1 put up (Last exit in New England) becasue when they enter NY there No longer in New England and also on the NY borders of I-84 in New Salem and I-95 in Port Chester put (Leaving New England come back soon).
anyother unusual last exit warnings and leaving state signs I need to know .
Quote from: A00234826 on May 18, 2014, 09:13:36 PM
I noticed as I was driving over the GW bridge a yellow warning sign on Exit 1A saying (Last exit in NY),
Normaly a yellow warning sign with an exit sign warns you something important like (Last exit before toll) so people have a last chance to get off to avoid tolls.
To Exit 1A's defense, if you miss that last exit in NY(C), you are going to have to pay a pretty penny for a U-turn in Jersey. It's probably good to remind drivers of the "point of no free return".
Meanwhile, much further down I-80, I remember the Indiana Toll Road making such a brouhaha over it's LAST SERVICE PLAZA signs before the WB I-80/I-90 Split. It's not like there are service deserts as soon as you cross into Illinois -- but there are oases!! :-D
Quote from: A00234826 on May 18, 2014, 09:13:36 PM
I noticed as I was driving over the GW bridge a yellow warning sign on Exit 1A saying (Last exit in NY),
Normaly a yellow warning sign with an exit sign warns you something important like (Last exit before toll) so people have a last chance to get off to avoid tolls.
is it unusual to put warning signs before a state border like NY-NJ on highways like NY thruway or in NY near the hudson river bridge.
on I-90 entering NY border I see Leaving Massachusetts sign, normaly at border I see a welcome sign but not a leaving sign.
I also seen warning signs on Rest arias saying (Last serves aria), but sometimes like on I-95 in Ct near East Haven (Last serves before I-91)
If Its considered important to traffic to know about unusual Last exit warnings and leaving state signs this
if so I suggest in Massachussets
On I-95 NB in Sailsbury to put up a yellow (Last Exit in Massachussets) sign with (Exit 60 Rt-286) and SB in Attobaro (Exit 1 (Last Exit in Massachussets) US-1 south Brodway) and after Exit 1 2 underpasses after (Leaving Massachusetts come back soon)
On I-90 mass pike WB near Charlton rest aria put up a warning sign (Last serves before I-84) for example (Charlton Services aria (Last serves before I-84) 2 miles) becasue After Charlton is the I-84 Interchange and there no serves aria on I-84.
On I-84 southbound near Exit 1 put up (Exit 1( last exit in Massachusetts) Mashapaug Road Southbridge) and near the Ct border like on the first sign of Exit 74 put up (Leaving Massachusetts come back soon) so they know they left Massachussets
IN Connecticut I suggest on I-95 soutbounds Exit 2 and I-84 westbounds Exit 1 put up (Last exit in New England) becasue when they enter NY there No longer in New England and also on the NY borders of I-84 in New Salem and I-95 in Port Chester put (Leaving New England come back soon).
anyother unusual last exit warnings and leaving state signs I need to know .
Suggested: A sign in Vernon, CT, reading "Entering Greater New York." At all roads crossing meridians, remind drivers to synchronize GPS devices. A sign on the Mass Pike reading, "Notice: Highway does not enter Worcester." Signs on I-95 every ten miles alerting motorists how far they are from the Atlantic Ocean. And of course, at Houlton, Maine, "Warning: New York 550 miles."
The Maryland Transportation Authority has signs on I-95 entering Baltimore City like this one (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=arbutus+md&ll=39.259111,-76.674432&spn=0.003566,0.004823&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&channel=np&hnear=Arbutus,+Baltimore+County,+Maryland&gl=us&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=39.259186,-76.674389&panoid=q45NOhFdR21HzF3K_jeivA&cbp=12,21.24,,0,-0.33) (northbound) welcoming drivers to the Fort McHenry Tunnel, even though there are several exits to come before the last exit before toll (and the tunnel).
I understand that they have installed them at this location because the FMT maintenance is responsible for all of I-95 in Baltimore, not just the tunnel tubes and the vicinity of the toll plaza.
Still, I wonder if some drivers get confused by such panels?
You really only need "Last Exit in XX" signs if you're going east or north on a highway. It's pretty much common sense heading south or west when you hit exit 1 or 0 that you're near the state border or the end of the highway, whether the numbers be mileage based or sequential. Then again, where do you put the last exit sign on a beltway? :hmmm:
Another sign I did see heading north/west on 87/287 before the Tappan Zee at Exit 9 was "Last Exit Before Bridge"
Quote from: thenetwork on May 18, 2014, 09:25:36 PM
Quote from: A00234826 on May 18, 2014, 09:13:36 PM
I noticed as I was driving over the GW bridge a yellow warning sign on Exit 1A saying (Last exit in NY),
Normaly a yellow warning sign with an exit sign warns you something important like (Last exit before toll) so people have a last chance to get off to avoid tolls.
To Exit 1A's defense, if you miss that last exit in NY(C), you are going to have to pay a pretty penny for a U-turn in Jersey. It's probably good to remind drivers of the "point of no free return".
Meanwhile, much further down I-80, I remember the Indiana Toll Road making such a brouhaha over it's LAST SERVICE PLAZA signs before the WB I-80/I-90 Split. It's not like there are service deserts as soon as you cross into Illinois -- but there are oases!!
Is not just the GW bridge its all over New York like on I-90 at Exit 61, Garden State parkway at Exit 1 (school house road)
The MassPike (I-90) westbound has a sign (white on green) in West Stockbridge reading "Leaving Massachusetts Come Back Soon".
Sign leaving Montreal on the 40:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asphaltplanet.ca%2FPQ%2FA%2F40%2FA40_dv_40_west_forum.jpg&hash=5f366ee1cc41a628f9604cd9434010122efc77a7)
In New Jersey it is common to have either "LAST EXIT BEFORE TOLL" or "LAST EXIT IN NJ" because of the tolls later on upon leaving the state. Both of these methods are either used, but not both, though. I-78 at Exit 3 has last NJ exit on it, because you are still several miles from the actual state border. I-295 uses the Last Exit Before Toll one at the NJ 49 exit most likely because the signage is from the DRBA who maintains the Delaware Memorial Bridge.
Then Kansas using "LAST FREE EXIT" before its turnpike is unusual to say the least.
Of course, Michigan refers a toll to be a fare, as their signs read "LAST EXIT BEFORE FARE"
Quote from: A00234826 on May 18, 2014, 09:13:36 PMRest arias saying (Last serves aria
Please define the terms "rest arias" and "serves aria." I don't think I've ever seen those words before used in that context.
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2010 Springfield Trip Day 4-056 (https://flic.kr/p/99Rxio) by hbelkins (https://www.flickr.com/people/52983012@N08/), on Flickr
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2010 Springfield Trip Day 4-174 (https://flic.kr/p/99RWkA) by hbelkins (https://www.flickr.com/people/52983012@N08/), on Flickr
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2010 Springfield Trip Day 4-175 (https://flic.kr/p/99RWwE) by hbelkins (https://www.flickr.com/people/52983012@N08/), on Flickr
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2010 Springfield Trip Day 4-172 (https://flic.kr/p/99RVWj) by hbelkins (https://www.flickr.com/people/52983012@N08/), on Flickr
I think, too, that the Garden State Parkway has one at Exit 172 for its last exit before the NYS Thruway. Even though a U Turn is possible without paying an extra toll here as the state has a land border between the two states.
Nice I-78 shots. I see they changed the signs to remove the "TO" between US 22 and NJ 122 though.
Quote from: roadman on May 18, 2014, 10:19:31 PM
The MassPike (I-90) westbound has a sign (white on green) in West Stockbridge reading "Leaving Massachusetts Come Back Soon".
My shot of said sign, taken on November 30, 2013:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FSZGMTWw.jpg&hash=35add3b9c3659ca1fb264ee60f610435a0047afc)
To be honest, this never struck me as odd. The statement is factually correct, and it is a fair warning to drivers who are not looking to cross the river. There is a lot of "last exit before toll" signage around. For bridges tolled in only one direction, you can't say this in the free direction, but there is still sense in alerting drivers that if they miss this exit and have to U-turn, it will cost them.
Now, if you had a sign like this and it wasn't right before a toll bridge, then it would be silly.
Also, a rest aria would be a song of resting. Like this? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24qySJQjIdE)
A few miles north of me is the only exit I can recall which mentions being the last exit in a county.
(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images580/i-580_eb_exit_002_12.jpg)
In this case, the county border it coincides with a toll bridge over SF Bay. A separate sign indicates "TOLL CROSSING ENTRANCE - FREE DIRECTION" .
Quote from: hbelkins on May 18, 2014, 11:20:17 PM
Quote from: A00234826 on May 18, 2014, 09:13:36 PMRest arias saying (Last serves aria
Please define the terms "rest arias" and "serves aria." I don't think I've ever seen those words before used in that context.
In opera, we used to call a "rest aria" a tacit fermata, meaning the singer would hold the note, but silently :-)
Quote from: A00234826 on May 18, 2014, 10:19:04 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on May 18, 2014, 09:25:36 PM
Quote from: A00234826 on May 18, 2014, 09:13:36 PM
I noticed as I was driving over the GW bridge a yellow warning sign on Exit 1A saying (Last exit in NY),
Normaly a yellow warning sign with an exit sign warns you something important like (Last exit before toll) so people have a last chance to get off to avoid tolls.
To Exit 1A's defense, if you miss that last exit in NY(C), you are going to have to pay a pretty penny for a U-turn in Jersey. It's probably good to remind drivers of the "point of no free return".
Meanwhile, much further down I-80, I remember the Indiana Toll Road making such a brouhaha over it's LAST SERVICE PLAZA signs before the WB I-80/I-90 Split. It's not like there are service deserts as soon as you cross into Illinois -- but there are oases!!
Is not just the GW bridge its all over New York like on I-90 at Exit 61, Garden State parkway at Exit 1 (school house road)
On the Garden State Parkway extension southbound it basically implies "Last Exit Before Toll." Explicitly stating that is only half correct, because technically you can reverse direction or leave the highway at the Montvale Service Area, but for the unawares that fact isn't stated on any signs and on to the tollbooth they go.
On 78 West, on the other hand, they'd be correct in stating "Last Exit Before Toll." I don't know if it's indifference or professional courtesy that keeps them from doing so.
On the other side of I-78, there's a yellow warning sign notifying you that it's the last exit in Pennsylvania.
I think the intent behind the "Last Exit in NY" at the George Washington Bridge (I-95/US 1/US 9) and the "Last Exit Before Bridge" at the Tappan Zee Bridge (I-87/I-287) is to inform motorists that they'll need to pay a toll to come back if they miss that exit. I'm only seen this type of signage by bridges that have a toll in only one direction.
A "Last Exit in (State)" generally alerts people to the fact they are about ready to leave the state. To the Stupid out there, if they were supposed to get to a destination in said state, and they are about ready to leave said state, then they might have missed their exit.
When I was a kid I always thought of the New York signs as being sort of in the vein of that old slogan "If you're tired of New York you must be tired of life." The toll point never occurred to me then, but it's a good one. Back then I usually saw those signs on Staten Island approaching either the Goethals Bridge or the Outerbridge, depending on which route my father chose to use on a given day. I haven't driven to Brooklyn since July 2010, but I recall there used to be a sign at the last eastbound exit on Staten Island prior to the Verrazano (Lily Pond Avenue, I believe) that read "Last Exit Before Bridge." When I was a kid it said "Last Exit Before Toll," but when they went to one-way tolling they used "yellow-out" to change it. Back then I thought it was a case of making the minimal fix to the sign instead of replacing it, but the point "dgolub" makes about paying a toll to come back makes sense.
Situations where you have to go through some sort of obstacle to get back are good occasions to use that sort of banner. Going up I-87 to Montreal, for example, there's a "LAST US EXIT" banner on the sign for Exit 43 (I do not off the top of my head remember if there is a chance to cut a U-turn before Canada Customs and I don't want to load a mapping site to look). The rationale there makes a lot of sense.
Off the top of my head I can't think of many of these sorts of signs outside the Northeast except, perhaps, when you approach an international border (yes, I see the California example above, but I have never been to California). In the Southeast you don't see this sort of thing, but you don't see as many toll roads either with the possible exception of Florida (and theirs don't go to the state lines). I note you do not always see this sort of thing prior to another state's toll, either–I don't ever remember Exit 109 on I-95 in Maryland prior to the Delaware line having a "Last Exit in Maryland" or "Last Exit Before Toll" banner, although I acknowledge there may well be new signs there since Delaware rebuilt the toll plaza (I haven't gone that way in several years either).
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 19, 2014, 08:46:47 AM
A "Last Exit in (State)" generally alerts people to the fact they are about ready to leave the state. To the Stupid out there, if they were supposed to get to a destination in said state, and they are about ready to leave said state, then they might have missed their exit.
I sometimes reasoned, half-seriously, especially with the 'Last Exit in New Jersey' signs, that these were placed to aid members of the local mafia who have been told not to leave the state while awaiting trial. Of course, why criminals who broke the law once already would obey such a sign...
Well why do trucks obey the NO TRUCKS IN LEFT LANE ruling on NJ Highways, but do not obey the posted speed limits you could also ask.
There was a Last Exit in Manhattan sign at I-95's northbound exit for the Harlem River Drive. That is totally unusual for a borough to have its last exit mentioned as no place else in the NYC 5 boroughs has, or at least I have never seen. I am not sure if the sign still exists or not to this day, but was there for sure before the FDR Drive was added to the mix when NYCDOT recently upgraded their signs along I-95.
Quote from: briantroutman on May 19, 2014, 12:03:16 AM
A few miles north of me is the only exit I can recall which mentions being the last exit in a county.
(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images580/i-580_eb_exit_002_12.jpg)
San Quentin, may you rot and burn in hell.
May your walls fall, and may I live to tell.
May all the world forget you ever stood.
And may all the world regret you did no good.
San Quentin, I hate every inch of you.
A green
LAST EXIT IN NEW YORK signage along the Southbound GSP near the NJ State line in Chestnut Ridge, NY. (http://goo.gl/maps/Dc8Oc)
A yellow
LAST EXIT IN PA EXIT ONLY banner on this BGS along I-76 Eastbound just prior to the Walt Whitman Bridge in South Philadelphia. (http://goo.gl/maps/c7RKS)
Note: even though there's no toll in this direction (there hasn't been since the early 90s), the DRPA still thought that such signage was needed given the location and circumstances.
Quote from: hbelkins on May 19, 2014, 11:53:56 AMSan Quentin, may you rot and burn in hell.
May your walls fall, and may I live to tell.
May all the world forget you ever stood.
And may all the world regret you did no good.
San Quentin, I hate every inch of you.
For San Quentin, I would've used this clip from
Magnum Force
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 19, 2014, 12:31:03 PM
Note: even though there's no toll in this direction (there hasn't been since the early 90s), the DRPA still thought that such signage was needed given the location and circumstances.
Or they just replaced the "last exit before toll" wording instead of the entire signs when the toll was removed?
Also, the PA Turnpike welcomes you to PA at places far away from the state border. The NJ Turnpike does this too, but only at its termini which happen to be relatively close to the state lines.
Leaving signs for towns (on non-freeways) are pretty common in NJ, but Clark's says "Thank you for visiting" which, given that I used to live there, always sounded self-deprecating to me. I suppose most of the "visitors" com from the GS Parkway to go to the Shoprite right at the exit. Still, they could acknowledge that people live there too.
Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on May 18, 2014, 10:54:23 PM
Sign leaving Montreal on the 40:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asphaltplanet.ca%2FPQ%2FA%2F40%2FA40_dv_40_west_forum.jpg&hash=5f366ee1cc41a628f9604cd9434010122efc77a7)
Take a note of this, MassDOT. This is how the "U-turn to Boston" signage should look for the westbound Allston-Brighton exit. :D
There is or was a sign on I-478 that read "Last Exit to Brooklyn". A novel was written with that title, so named for the rough neighborhood around that exit, and was even made into a movie with the sign's likeness on the poster.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Exit_to_Brooklyn_(film)
I think on the Staten Island approach to the Verrazano Bridge, on a sign reading "Last Exit Before Toll" , the word Toll was green-outed (yellow-outed?) to "Bridge" . This was from when the Brooklyn-bound toll was eliminated.
NJTP Exit 6 used to have a yellow strip on the bottom reading NO EXIT IN NEW JERSEY. This was before the opening of Exit 6A.
Louisville, KY, has beltway arcs north and south of the Ohio River that do not connect. There are signs on the Indiana side reading "No Bridge To Kentucky" .
Quote from: lepidopteran on May 19, 2014, 02:03:01 PM
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I think on the Staten Island approach to the Verrazano Bridge, on a sign reading "Last Exit Before Toll" , the word Toll was green-outed (yellow-outed?) to "Bridge" . This was from when the Brooklyn-bound toll was eliminated.
NJTP Exit 6 used to have a yellow strip on the bottom reading NO EXIT IN NEW JERSEY. This was before the opening of Exit 6A.
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Correct about the Verrazano. I mentioned that earlier in this thread as well.
The idea of "NO EXIT IN [STATE]" is a decent idea. I've occasionally thought Virginia and Maryland should use that on the signs for the "THRU" carriageways over the new Woodrow Wilson Bridge. The way it's set up now, there are signs prior to the "LOCAL"/"THRU" split in each state that list "LOCAL EXITS" and "THRU EXITS." I presume the idea is the motorist is to find his exit and use the corresponding set of lanes. Whether that's clear enough for out-of-area drivers is something I don't really know. I still see people making last-second kamikaze moves to the other carriageway at the split locations, but it's impossible to know whether those are people confused by the signs or just aggressive drivers!
Quote from: briantroutman on May 19, 2014, 12:03:16 AM
A few miles north of me is the only exit I can recall which mentions being the last exit in a county.
(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images580/i-580_eb_exit_002_12.jpg)
In this case, the county border it coincides with a toll bridge over SF Bay. A separate sign indicates "TOLL CROSSING ENTRANCE - FREE DIRECTION.
San Quentin is the last exit for VERY bad people!
Quote from: bzakharin on May 19, 2014, 12:54:15 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 19, 2014, 12:31:03 PM
Note: even though there's no toll in this direction (there hasn't been since the early 90s), the DRPA still thought that such signage was needed given the location and circumstances.
Or they just replaced the "last exit before toll" wording instead of the entire signs when the toll was removed?
That's very likey what happened with the previous BGS'. The ones shown in GSV are from the early-2000s; long after one-way tolls took effect in the Delaware Valley.
Quote from: bzakharin on May 19, 2014, 12:54:15 PMAlso, the PA Turnpike welcomes you to PA at places far away from the state border.
If memory serves, the location of those signs along the Turnpike likely coincides with the location of the Welcome Centers. Note: along I-276 Westbound near the US 1/Bensalem interchange was taken out of commission several years ago.
Actually, along I-95 Southbound in Bucks County, the
WELCOME TO PENNSYLVANIA sign is located just
beyond the exit ramp to the Welcome Center (http://goo.gl/maps/WqvPZ) (which is south of Exits 51B-A, the 1st interchange in PA one encounters after crossing the Delaware).
Colorado has a "Welcome Back- Come Again" sign on I-70 East leaving it for Kansas, but I feel that after you drive I-70 from Limon to Kansas you deserve some sort of acknowledgement for the most boring drive you encountered. It is only after you travel into Kansas you see grain silos and some wheat fields that look alive when EB on I-70.
I always thought those "Last Exit Before"/"Last Exit In" signs had a "There is no turning back, sinners!"/"All who pass this exit, repent!"/"Abandon all hope, ye who pass this exit!" aura to them, particularly if you had to pay a toll... :D :-/
ixnay
Quote from: lepidopteran on May 19, 2014, 02:03:01 PM
There is or was a sign on I-478 that read "Last Exit to Brooklyn". A novel was written with that title, so named for the rough neighborhood around that exit, and was even made into a movie with the sign's likeness on the poster.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Exit_to_Brooklyn_(film)
There was a hit for Gene Pitney in the mid-60s called "Last Chance To Turn Around (Last Exit To Brooklyn)"
I-5 southbound in San Ysidro, CA has a Last U-Turn just before the Mexican border.
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 19, 2014, 09:42:15 AMI note you do not always see this sort of thing prior to another state's toll, either–I don't ever remember Exit 109 on I-95 in Maryland prior to the Delaware line having a "Last Exit in Maryland" or "Last Exit Before Toll" banner, although I acknowledge there may well be new signs there since Delaware rebuilt the toll plaza (I haven't gone that way in several years either).
You are correct, there was no warning in Maryland about the Delaware tolls until Delaware completed the E-ZPass Express lanes and Maryland replaced its signs. Now you not only have the "Last Exit Before Toll" warning but you also have notices about the E-ZPass lanes starting prior to Exit 109.
This one's on I-25 north just before crossing into Colorado. Or at least it was 12 years ago when I took this picture:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teresco.org%2Fpics%2Fsigns%2F20020412%2Fleavingnm-close.jpg&hash=6c6a8f0d8956f596c2cb4529692d5670785d5319)
And a more recent one, this one taken in 2008 on NM 17 as it enters Colorado:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teresco.org%2Fpics%2Fsigns%2F20080126%2Fleavingnm.jpg&hash=96956b6b8575175b0520ef69af3df77577723e41)
From I-70 East, leaving West Virginia and entering Pennsylvania, this one from back in 2003:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teresco.org%2Fpics%2Fsigns%2F20030604%2Fdrivesafely.jpg&hash=a2f11d7f8553ee3da7b7436e4b0efb4111bb03d8)
Also from 2003 on I-95 North leaving Maryland for Delaware:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teresco.org%2Fpics%2Fsigns%2F20031126%2Fleavingmd.jpg&hash=0d465397545d11b1924a71a0b000900800f108c4)
Leaving Kansas for Colorado on US 50 West in 2004:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teresco.org%2Fpics%2Fsigns%2F20040428%2Fleavingkansas.jpg&hash=fe7d40dc6b39eb117c50697f494a9c2178c204ac)
Leaving Colorado for Utah on I-70 West in 2004:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teresco.org%2Fpics%2Fsigns%2F20040429%2Fleavingco.jpg&hash=2f42376472275729b438b26c92406106573f1518)
There's a Last Exit in NJ yellow banner on the sign for the Weehawken exit (http://goo.gl/oIQLC3) off 495 just before the helix. I believe they meant it more as "last exit before toll" thing, but that's been there for at least 20 years now.
There's a similar sign leaving WV on I-64 eastbound entering Virginia.
These are lots of interesting finds! Usually the only signs of this kind I encounter are the ones that say LAST EXIT BEFORE TOLL.
We need one that reads, "Leaving Louisiana, prepare for better highways" :happy:
Virginia needs signs as you leave the state, "OK to put your radar detectors back up and turn them on."
Quote from: hbelkins on May 23, 2014, 11:02:10 PM
Virginia needs signs as you leave the state, "OK to put your radar detectors back up and turn them on."
Except when crossing the Potomac River into the District of Columbia.
Maybe still, use of a radar detector in D.C. can get you handcuffed and taken to a police station.
Somewhat off-topic, but back when I had to go to DC all the time I would ride get around town on the Metro. They generally would announce "Last Exit in (Maryland, Virginia, the district) " . I don't know why anyone would care.
Quote from: rschen7754 on May 20, 2014, 10:02:44 PM
I-5 southbound in San Ysidro, CA has a Last U-Turn just before the Mexican border.
As has been in the news lately (or at least beaten to death on Fox News), a Marine was recently imprisoned in Mexico for bringing some firearms across the border. His story is that road construction at the border made the Last U-Turn sign less conspicuous, and by the time he saw it, it was too late to cross several lanes of heavy traffic to reach the last U-turn.
I'm a little puzzled by the story. First, given the well-known severe legal problems for military personnel bringing firearms into Mexico, what was he doing anywhere near the border with guns, without knowing for sure exactly where he was and how to turn back? (I get super-careful when approaching any international border, including slowing down to make sure I can make the last turnaround, if for whatever reason I want to get as close to the border as possible without crossing.) Second, aren't there further north on both I-5 and I-805 signs for the last exit before the border, and how did he manage to miss those? Third, if it had been me, with guns, I would've just stopped after missing the last U-turn, traffic disruption be damned, and let the Border Patrol and/or the CHP figure out how to get me turned around short of the border.
Quote from: oscar on May 25, 2014, 10:09:32 PM
As has been in the news lately (or at least beaten to death on Fox News), a Marine was recently imprisoned in Mexico for bringing some firearms across the border. His story is that road construction at the border made the Last U-Turn sign less conspicuous, and by the time he saw it, it was too late to cross several lanes of heavy traffic to reach the last U-turn.
I'm a little puzzled by the story. First, given the well-known severe legal problems for military personnel bringing firearms into Mexico, what was he doing anywhere near the border with guns, without knowing for sure exactly where he was and how to turn back? (I get super-careful when approaching any international border, including slowing down to make sure I can make the last turnaround, if for whatever reason I want to get as close to the border as possible without crossing.) Second, aren't there further north on both I-5 and I-805 signs for the last exit before the border, and how did he manage to miss those? Third, if it had been me, with guns, I would've just stopped after missing the last U-turn, traffic disruption be damned, and let the Border Patrol and/or the CHP figure out how to get me turned around short of the border.
The story being circulated by his relatives is that he suffers from PTSD and apparently also has had episodes of getting lost without realizing it in the recent past. Although I'm sympathetic to his situation in some regards it's not obvious at all that better signage (such as TxDOT's huge warning signs about Mexico's firearms laws, or the newly installed VMS at San Ysidro) would have made any difference in this case given his condition. Honestly from his family's account it sounds like he shouldn't be driving in the first place.
Quote from: SP Cook on May 25, 2014, 08:40:25 PM
Somewhat off-topic, but back when I had to go to DC all the time I would ride get around town on the Metro. They generally would announce "Last Exit in (Maryland, Virginia, the district) " . I don't know why anyone would care.
Perhaps because the fare would jump (sometimes somewhat abruptly) by crossing that line.
Traditionally, Metrorail fares got the most subsidy in the District of Columbia, less in Maryland and even less in Virginia.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 25, 2014, 11:16:55 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on May 25, 2014, 08:40:25 PM
Somewhat off-topic, but back when I had to go to DC all the time I would ride get around town on the Metro. They generally would announce "Last Exit in (Maryland, Virginia, the district) " . I don't know why anyone would care.
Perhaps because the fare would jump (sometimes somewhat abruptly) by crossing that line.
Traditionally, Metrorail fares got the most subsidy in the District of Columbia, less in Maryland and even less in Virginia.
It does seem extraneous. My only thoughts are that it does serve as a bit of a wake up call for those who may not be paying close attention to the stop announcements. If they know that they want to ride the train all the way into the next jurisdiction, they don't have to pay attention until the hear that message.
There are signs on I-64 east in Downtown St. Louis warning you that an exit is the Last Missouri Exit before you default onto the Poplar Street Bridge and cross into East St. Louis, IL.
Quote from: codyg1985 on June 08, 2014, 09:16:41 AM
There are signs on I-64 east in Downtown St. Louis warning you that an exit is the Last Missouri Exit before you default onto the Poplar Street Bridge and cross into East St. Louis, IL.
I wonder if that's not an alternative way of saying "If you want to get on I-55 south, you have to exit here or else cross the river and turn around?" I don't recall any "To I-55" signage there, though.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 25, 2014, 11:16:55 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on May 25, 2014, 08:40:25 PM
Somewhat off-topic, but back when I had to go to DC all the time I would ride get around town on the Metro. They generally would announce "Last Exit in (Maryland, Virginia, the district) " . I don't know why anyone would care.
Perhaps because the fare would jump (sometimes somewhat abruptly) by crossing that line.
Traditionally, Metrorail fares got the most subsidy in the District of Columbia, less in Maryland and even less in Virginia.
Wow, that makes me glad I've never used Washington Metro. On the New York City Subways, it's one fare throughout the city. No new rates when you want go from Manhattan to the Bronx or Brooklyn, or Queens and vice-versa. Fare zones are for commuter railroads.
But getting back to the original topic, you've got signs like these when you leave Brooklyn:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/avishai/331254411/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jag9889/12055231814/
Quote from: D-Dey65 on June 10, 2014, 05:20:28 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 25, 2014, 11:16:55 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on May 25, 2014, 08:40:25 PM
Somewhat off-topic, but back when I had to go to DC all the time I would ride get around town on the Metro. They generally would announce "Last Exit in (Maryland, Virginia, the district) " . I don't know why anyone would care.
Perhaps because the fare would jump (sometimes somewhat abruptly) by crossing that line.
Traditionally, Metrorail fares got the most subsidy in the District of Columbia, less in Maryland and even less in Virginia.
Wow, that makes me glad I've never used Washington Metro. On the New York City Subways, it's one fare throughout the city. No new rates when you want go from Manhattan to the Bronx or Brooklyn, or Queens and vice-versa. Fare zones are for commuter railroads.
But getting back to the original topic, you've got signs like these when you leave Brooklyn:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/avishai/331254411/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jag9889/12055231814/
And I'm sure the modern-day WELCOME to Brooklyn signs are far superior to the two versions seen back in the "Welcome Back, Kotter" days???
Quote from: thenetwork on June 10, 2014, 07:14:37 PM
And I'm sure the modern-day WELCOME to Brooklyn signs are far superior to the two versions seen back in the "Welcome Back, Kotter" days???
You mean claiming themselves to be the "4th Largest City in America?"
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgraphics8.nytimes.com%2Fimages%2F2010%2F10%2F06%2Fnyregion%2Fkotter%2Fkotter-blogSpan.jpg&hash=c43fd7283ec237d0292432cbb7d8bba7b43a835f)
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/dont-look-back-brooklyn-houston-is-gaining-on-you/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
Man, I still love that SNL parody from 1994:
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/94/94ckotter.phtml
The situation on the Mexican border at Tijuana, with the US Marine "accidentally" ending up in Mexico, is fairly common on I -10 in El Paso. There is long, complex interchange (used to be the largest overpass in Texas), where traffic exits at Juarez/ Alamogordo and then splits again with one lane going to Juarez the other on US 54 to Alamogordo. It is an easy mistake to make if you aren't familiar with the area. Even if you have a single bullet in your car and you make the mistake of telling the Mexican customs agent about it, it's hasta la vista for five years in jail.
Not quite fitting this thread (warning signs for leaving ___), but there's the unwelcome signs on the mule trail from Maui County to Kalawao County HI (http://www.hawaiihighways.com/photos-Kalawao.htm), warning you to turn back unless you have state permission to enter Kalawao County.
Quote from: sandiaman on June 18, 2014, 02:41:40 PM
The situation on the Mexican border at Tijuana, with the US Marine "accidentally" ending up in Mexico, is fairly common on I -10 in El Paso. There is long, complex interchange (used to be the largest overpass in Texas), where traffic exits at Juarez/ Alamogordo and then splits again with one lane going to Juarez the other on US 54 to Alamogordo. It is an easy mistake to make if you aren't familiar with the area. Even if you have a single bullet in your car and you make the mistake of telling the Mexican customs agent about it, it's hasta la vista for five years in jail.
I remember when they added the 'NO GUNS" signs to the BGSes on I-10. For some reason (slow news day?), it made the local news's "national" coverage here in Boston.
Quote from: roadman on June 18, 2014, 05:53:51 PMI remember when they added the 'NO GUNS" signs to the BGSes on I-10. For some reason (slow news day?), it made the local news's "national" coverage here in Boston.
Was it back when every road & highway heading into Massachusetts had a
MASSACHUSETTS GUN LAW sign posted just inside the border? Along smaller roads, these signs were actually larger than the accompanying
WELCOME TO MASSACHUSETTS signs.
The Massachusetts Gun Law signs were installed in the mid-1970s, and predated the I-10 "No Guns" signs by at least a decade. At one point, the Massachusetts gun law signs were one of a series of eight or nine "Don't do this in our state" signs one was faced with reading between the state border and the Welcome to Massachusetts/Massachusetts Welcomes You" signs, at least on the Interstates and freeways.
Quote from: roadman on June 20, 2014, 11:59:38 AM
The Massachusetts Gun Law signs were installed in the mid-1970s, and predated the I-10 "No Guns" signs by at least a decade. At one point, the Massachusetts gun law signs were one of a series of eight or nine "Don't do this in our state" signs one was faced with reading between the state border and the Welcome to Massachusetts/Massachusetts Welcomes You" signs, at least on the Interstates and freeways.
Found an old Summa shot of a Gun Law sign on the Mass Pike at the NY line, black on white, which reads:
"New Massachusetts Gun Law / Violation Mandatory One Year Jail Sentence"
I can't find any pictures of it, but maybe someone else can. During Jim Gilmore's term as governor (January 1998 to January 2002), Virginia participated in a federal gun-control effort called "Project Exile" and posted big signs near the state lines reading something like, "Illegal gun? EXILE" with "EXILE" in huge letters. As PHLBOS mentions, these were bigger than the "Welcome" signs, though I recall they weren't always immediately adjacent to each other. The one I saw most often was on I-395 near the Pentagon because I passed it every evening on the way home from work. Mark Warner had the signs removed after succeeding Gilmore as governor; the reason he gave was, if I recall correctly, "they are unwelcoming."
I'm pretty sure that I sign with the word "EXILE" in huge letters with the intent to keep illegal guns out isn't meant to be welcoming.
Virginia is known for telling you what not to do for several signs before welcoming you, usually larger and easier to read than the Welcome sign as well.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 18, 2014, 11:01:45 PM
Both of these methods are either used, but not both, though. I-78 at Exit 3 has last NJ exit on it, because you are still several miles from the actual state border
The BGS's at exit 3 say Last Exit in NJ, but there used to also be a BYS right around 1/4 mile from the exit that just said "LAST EXIT BEFORE TOLL BRIDGE". This sign, i'm pretty sure, is since gone.
There's a sign at the NH/MA border on I-93 that says "Drive Courteously: It's the New Hampshire Way" that I assume is a not so subtle shot at MA drivers.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 10, 2014, 07:57:34 PM
There's a sign at the NH/MA border on I-93 that says "Drive Courteously: It's the New Hampshire Way" that I assume is a not so subtle shot at MA drivers.
There is? I go that way about once every 3 weeks, and I have never seen it.
Quote from: 1 on July 10, 2014, 09:22:30 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 10, 2014, 07:57:34 PM
There's a sign at the NH/MA border on I-93 that says "Drive Courteously: It's the New Hampshire Way" that I assume is a not so subtle shot at MA drivers.
There is? I go that way about once every 3 weeks, and I have never seen it.
If I recall correctly, it's a mile or so into NH. I'm almost certain that it's before Exit 1 though.
Of course, I've only driven up I-93 from Boston into NH once since 2012 so it's possible that it was removed when they redid the state welcome signs. I certainly hope not though, it was good for a chuckle when I'd drive back up from Boston.
I-190 just south of Niagara Falls has "Last Exit on Island" signs. I also know that the ends of quite a few Long Island parkways and expressways have signs saying "Last Exit", even if all traffic is forced off at that point.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 10, 2014, 09:37:49 PM
Quote from: 1 on July 10, 2014, 09:22:30 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 10, 2014, 07:57:34 PM
There's a sign at the NH/MA border on I-93 that says "Drive Courteously: It's the New Hampshire Way" that I assume is a not so subtle shot at MA drivers.
There is? I go that way about once every 3 weeks, and I have never seen it.
If I recall correctly, it's a mile or so into NH. I'm almost certain that it's before Exit 1 though.
The sign in question was located between Exits 1 and 2. The last time I went up that way (July 1st), I noticed the sign had been removed to accommodate construction work related to the widening and the Exit 2 rebuild.
Quote from: roadman on July 11, 2014, 09:10:29 AM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 10, 2014, 09:37:49 PM
Quote from: 1 on July 10, 2014, 09:22:30 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 10, 2014, 07:57:34 PM
There's a sign at the NH/MA border on I-93 that says "Drive Courteously: It's the New Hampshire Way" that I assume is a not so subtle shot at MA drivers.
There is? I go that way about once every 3 weeks, and I have never seen it.
If I recall correctly, it's a mile or so into NH. I'm almost certain that it's before Exit 1 though.
The sign in question was located between Exits 1 and 2. The last time I went up that way (July 1st), I noticed the sign had been removed to accommodate construction work related to the widening and the Exit 2 rebuild.
I guess they figured that if you're continuing past Exit 1 then you must actually be visiting New Hampshire and not just showing up to take advantage of tax-free shopping. I'm surprised a similar sign hasn't been erected at the beginning of the Everett Turnpike in Nashua.
QuoteI guess they figured that if you're continuing past Exit 1 then you must actually be visiting New Hampshire and not just showing up to take advantage of tax-free shopping. I'm surprised a similar sign hasn't been erected at the beginning of the Everett Turnpike in Nashua.
I always figured the sign was located between Exits 1 and 2 because, at the time the sign was installed, I-93 was two lanes through that section. Thus, the sign would be much more noticeable to drivers than if it were placed south of Exit 1, which is five lanes wide at one point.
This couls also explain why a similar sign never appeared on the Everett Turnpike in Nashua.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 10, 2014, 07:57:34 PM
There's a sign at the NH/MA border on I-93 that says "Drive Courteously: It's the New Hampshire Way" that I assume is a not so subtle shot at MA drivers.
I'm far more amused by the blue "COMMON SENSE FOR ALL" tab on the speed limit signs there. I'm glad the state of New Hampshire is so inclusive with regard to who it wishes common sense for.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 11, 2014, 01:48:55 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 10, 2014, 07:57:34 PM
There's a sign at the NH/MA border on I-93 that says "Drive Courteously: It's the New Hampshire Way" that I assume is a not so subtle shot at MA drivers.
I'm far more amused by the blue "COMMON SENSE FOR ALL" tab on the speed limit signs there. I'm glad the state of New Hampshire is so inclusive with regard to who it wishes common sense for.
The "COMMON SENSE FOR ALL" tabs are mounted beneath the child restraint law signs, not the speed limit signs.
Quote from: roadman on July 11, 2014, 01:53:06 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 11, 2014, 01:48:55 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 10, 2014, 07:57:34 PM
There's a sign at the NH/MA border on I-93 that says "Drive Courteously: It's the New Hampshire Way" that I assume is a not so subtle shot at MA drivers.
I'm far more amused by the blue "COMMON SENSE FOR ALL" tab on the speed limit signs there. I'm glad the state of New Hampshire is so inclusive with regard to who it wishes common sense for.
The "COMMON SENSE FOR ALL" tabs are mounted beneath the child restraint law signs, not the speed limit signs.
My mistake. It's still nice of them to wish us.
Quote from: roadman on July 11, 2014, 01:53:06 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 11, 2014, 01:48:55 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 10, 2014, 07:57:34 PM
There's a sign at the NH/MA border on I-93 that says "Drive Courteously: It's the New Hampshire Way" that I assume is a not so subtle shot at MA drivers.
I'm far more amused by the blue "COMMON SENSE FOR ALL" tab on the speed limit signs there. I'm glad the state of New Hampshire is so inclusive with regard to who it wishes common sense for.
The "COMMON SENSE FOR ALL" tabs are mounted beneath the child restraint law signs, not the speed limit signs.
I always assumed that that was the NH DOT's way of saying, "our state legislators have decided that they aren't going to force you to wear a seat belt, but you're an idiot if you don't."
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 11, 2014, 02:35:59 PM
Quote from: roadman on July 11, 2014, 01:53:06 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 11, 2014, 01:48:55 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 10, 2014, 07:57:34 PM
There's a sign at the NH/MA border on I-93 that says "Drive Courteously: It's the New Hampshire Way" that I assume is a not so subtle shot at MA drivers.
I'm far more amused by the blue "COMMON SENSE FOR ALL" tab on the speed limit signs there. I'm glad the state of New Hampshire is so inclusive with regard to who it wishes common sense for.
The "COMMON SENSE FOR ALL" tabs are mounted beneath the child restraint law signs, not the speed limit signs.
I always assumed that that was the NH DOT's way of saying, "our state legislators have decided that they aren't going to force you to wear a seat belt, but you're an idiot if you don't."
It reads like it's spoken by the alien lizard Kodos morphed into the form of presidential candidate Bob Dole.
How can NH afford to lose the federal funds that they don't get because they haven't enacted a seat belt law?
Quote from: hbelkins on July 11, 2014, 11:53:23 PM
How can NH afford to lose the federal funds that they don't get because they haven't enacted a seat belt law?
Zero services, one type of tax has an extremely high rate (property, I think) and everyone in Massachusetts buying alcohol at the state-run liquor stores located mere feet from the border
Quote from: hbelkins on July 11, 2014, 11:53:23 PM
How can NH afford to lose the federal funds that they don't get because they haven't enacted a seat belt law?
As someone said above, the state practically has no services. The schools are also incredibly underfunded. The state does have a room and meals tax that is meant to hit tourists and that brings in some revenue too I'm sure. A lot of border towns hate the tax structure because they can't enact a municipal sales tax to cover for the cost of out of staters regularly.
I love New Hampshire but it really have some weird quirks.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 12, 2014, 12:31:05 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 11, 2014, 11:53:23 PM
How can NH afford to lose the federal funds that they don't get because they haven't enacted a seat belt law?
As someone said above, the state practically has no services. The schools are also incredibly underfunded. The state does have a room and meals tax that is meant to hit tourists and that brings in some revenue too I'm sure. A lot of border towns hate the tax structure because they can't enact a municipal sales tax to cover for the cost of out of staters regularly.
I love New Hampshire but it really have some weird quirks.
A friend in NH pointed out to me once that even its legislators are poorly compensated for their time. Consequently the legislature is dominated by retirees and the independently wealthy, neither of whom have a strong interest in school funding.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 12, 2014, 06:38:59 AM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 12, 2014, 12:31:05 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 11, 2014, 11:53:23 PM
How can NH afford to lose the federal funds that they don't get because they haven't enacted a seat belt law?
As someone said above, the state practically has no services. The schools are also incredibly underfunded. The state does have a room and meals tax that is meant to hit tourists and that brings in some revenue too I'm sure. A lot of border towns hate the tax structure because they can't enact a municipal sales tax to cover for the cost of out of staters regularly.
I love New Hampshire but it really have some weird quirks.
A friend in NH pointed out to me once that even its legislators are poorly compensated for their time. Consequently the legislature is dominated by retirees and the independently wealthy, neither of whom have a strong interest in school funding.
That's an understatement. I think they get paid just over $100 per year (with a small per diem, meals allowance and travel during sessions). There are also 400 people in their state House of Representatives.
If I recall correctly, there are also college students in the legislature too. I would imagine that being a former state legislator is a heck of a resume boost.
Quote from: cl94 on July 12, 2014, 12:11:02 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 11, 2014, 11:53:23 PM
How can NH afford to lose the federal funds that they don't get because they haven't enacted a seat belt law?
Zero services, one type of tax has an extremely high rate (property, I think) and everyone in Massachusetts buying alcohol at the state-run liquor stores located mere feet from the border
So are you saying that the state transfers General Fund revenue into its Road Fund to make up for the loss of federal funding?
I thought that the rule was that the state loses a certain percentage of federal funding if it doesn't have a seat belt law, and that a certain percentage of what it does get has to go to safety education efforts.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 12, 2014, 06:38:59 AM
A friend in NH pointed out to me once that even its legislators are poorly compensated for their time. Consequently the legislature is dominated by retirees and the independently wealthy, neither of whom have a strong interest in school funding.
The same is said about Kentucky legislators (that they should be paid more). I disagree. I think legislative service, especially at the state level, should be a part-time job.
Quote from: hbelkins on July 12, 2014, 04:58:25 PM
Quote from: cl94 on July 12, 2014, 12:11:02 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 11, 2014, 11:53:23 PM
How can NH afford to lose the federal funds that they don't get because they haven't enacted a seat belt law?
Zero services, one type of tax has an extremely high rate (property, I think) and everyone in Massachusetts buying alcohol at the state-run liquor stores located mere feet from the border
So are you saying that the state transfers General Fund revenue into its Road Fund to make up for the loss of federal funding?
I thought that the rule was that the state loses a certain percentage of federal funding if it doesn't have a seat belt law, and that a certain percentage of what it does get has to go to safety education efforts.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 12, 2014, 06:38:59 AM
A friend in NH pointed out to me once that even its legislators are poorly compensated for their time. Consequently the legislature is dominated by retirees and the independently wealthy, neither of whom have a strong interest in school funding.
The same is said about Kentucky legislators (that they should be paid more). I disagree. I think legislative service, especially at the state level, should be a part-time job.
As has been pointed out above, in NH it's not really a part-time job so much as it's a part-time volunteer gig with paid expenses, so it skews the available/likely candidate pool.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 12, 2014, 05:47:43 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 12, 2014, 04:58:25 PM
Quote from: cl94 on July 12, 2014, 12:11:02 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 11, 2014, 11:53:23 PM
How can NH afford to lose the federal funds that they don't get because they haven't enacted a seat belt law?
Zero services, one type of tax has an extremely high rate (property, I think) and everyone in Massachusetts buying alcohol at the state-run liquor stores located mere feet from the border
So are you saying that the state transfers General Fund revenue into its Road Fund to make up for the loss of federal funding?
I thought that the rule was that the state loses a certain percentage of federal funding if it doesn't have a seat belt law, and that a certain percentage of what it does get has to go to safety education efforts.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 12, 2014, 06:38:59 AM
A friend in NH pointed out to me once that even its legislators are poorly compensated for their time. Consequently the legislature is dominated by retirees and the independently wealthy, neither of whom have a strong interest in school funding.
The same is said about Kentucky legislators (that they should be paid more). I disagree. I think legislative service, especially at the state level, should be a part-time job.
As has been pointed out above, in NH it's not really a part-time job so much as it's a part-time volunteer gig with paid expenses, so it skews the available/likely candidate pool.
A couple of things:
1. New Hampshire loses out on about $3.7 million in federal funding because of their seat belt law. There's probably some voodoo accounting or higher gas taxes that cover up for that.
2. A part time job actually pays something. In NH, you get $100 and some expenses paid. The governor is also elected every two years so their electoral system is definitely antiquated.
It's a miracle that NH is always near the top in quality of life surveys. Their system of state governance is quirky to say the least. The state's biggest strength is the amount of power that individual towns have, it has to act as a buffer against the state on some issues.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 12, 2014, 06:38:59 AM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 12, 2014, 12:31:05 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 11, 2014, 11:53:23 PM
How can NH afford to lose the federal funds that they don't get because they haven't enacted a seat belt law?
As someone said above, the state practically has no services. The schools are also incredibly underfunded. The state does have a room and meals tax that is meant to hit tourists and that brings in some revenue too I'm sure. A lot of border towns hate the tax structure because they can't enact a municipal sales tax to cover for the cost of out of staters regularly.
I love New Hampshire but it really have some weird quirks.
A friend in NH pointed out to me once that even its legislators are poorly compensated for their time. Consequently the legislature is dominated by retirees and the independently wealthy, neither of whom have a strong interest in school funding.
It's also the third-largest legislative body in the world, behind Parliament and Congress, for a state of about 1.3 million people. I doubt the state can afford to pay much more than the modest annual per diem mentioned above.
Quote from: abefroman329 on September 14, 2015, 04:51:45 PM
It's also the third-largest legislative body in the world, behind Parliament and Congress, for a state of about 1.3 million people. I doubt the state can afford to pay much more than the modest annual per diem mentioned above.
Huh? There are far larger legislatures in the world, including the German Bundestag, India's Lok Sabha, and Chinese NPC, to name just three.
That said there is no reason why NH needs a 400-member House of Representatives for a population of 1.3 million. Cut it to 100 or so and give them a decent salary.
Don't forget the 650 member UK House of Commons!
We'll leave off the House of Lords (775-members currently) and the 751-member EU Parliament, as they don't have full legislative powers - merely the power to propose amendments and veto bills (I'm not sure the EU parliament has even the latter - not that it's ever been tested). And I'm not sure about the EU Parliament (for which Parliament is a nonsense word as it implies some sort of 'parley' or talk - they vote without formal debate and then have short periods of time to proclaim why they have voted one way or another for the record while other people have private conversations loudly behind them).
Quote from: lordsutch on September 14, 2015, 04:59:03 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on September 14, 2015, 04:51:45 PM
It's also the third-largest legislative body in the world, behind Parliament and Congress, for a state of about 1.3 million people. I doubt the state can afford to pay much more than the modest annual per diem mentioned above.
Huh? There are far larger legislatures in the world, including the German Bundestag, India's Lok Sabha, and Chinese NPC, to name just three.
That said there is no reason why NH needs a 400-member House of Representatives for a population of 1.3 million. Cut it to 100 or so and give them a decent salary.
Small nitpick but it is the third largest in the English speaking world.
From what I remember, New Hampshire makes up for its lack of sales tax with a restaurant and hotel tax of 9%. It explains why in the Pheasant Lane Mall in Nashua the mall itself is in NH while most restaurants are across the MA state line in Tyngsboro where the sales tax is only 6.25%.
There is tax on prepared foods. At least there was on a sandwich I bought along NH Route 9 in Chesterfield a few weeks ago. To get this back to roads, I was just past "MILE 0.4", heading up the hill from the Connecticut River bridges.
In NJ it's common seeing "Last exit in N.J." and "Last exist before toll" which I like
Quote from: NJ on December 04, 2015, 11:05:56 AM
In NJ it's common seeing "Last exit in N.J." and "Last exist before toll" which I like
You got that right. I-295 before the DMB has "Last Exit Before Toll" at NJ 49 in Pennsville. NJ 495 at the Weehawken exit uses "Last Exit in NJ" as well as I-78 in Greenwich at US 22.
It is interesting how different roads use the different headers though. Its even more interesting how at I-80's eastern terminus in the Express Lanes how it signs the I-95 south exit as "LAST EXIT IN NJ" when there is one more left on I-95 North in Fort Lee.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 04, 2015, 11:13:20 AM
Quote from: NJ on December 04, 2015, 11:05:56 AM
In NJ it's common seeing "Last exit in N.J." and "Last exist before toll" which I like
You got that right. I-295 before the DMB has "Last Exit Before Toll" at NJ 49 in Pennsville. NJ 495 at the Weehawken exit uses "Last Exit in NJ" as well as I-78 in Greenwich at US 22.
It is interesting how different roads use the different headers though. Its even more interesting how at I-80's eastern terminus in the Express Lanes how it signs the I-95 south exit as "LAST EXIT IN NJ" when there is one more left on I-95 North in Fort Lee.
They probably don't want people using that exit for obvious reasons. It is quite substandard and difficult to use when traffic is heavy.
Quote from: cl94 on December 04, 2015, 11:28:37 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 04, 2015, 11:13:20 AM
Quote from: NJ on December 04, 2015, 11:05:56 AM
In NJ it's common seeing "Last exit in N.J." and "Last exist before toll" which I like
You got that right. I-295 before the DMB has "Last Exit Before Toll" at NJ 49 in Pennsville. NJ 495 at the Weehawken exit uses "Last Exit in NJ" as well as I-78 in Greenwich at US 22.
It is interesting how different roads use the different headers though. Its even more interesting how at I-80's eastern terminus in the Express Lanes how it signs the I-95 south exit as "LAST EXIT IN NJ" when there is one more left on I-95 North in Fort Lee.
They probably don't want people using that exit for obvious reasons. It is quite substandard and difficult to use when traffic is heavy.
It is indeed substandard. However, traffic is always heavy in Fort Lee, unless one is traveling overnight or on Sunday. In any case, traffic seems to manage fine.