I just noticed that I-495 is the main route that goes around Greater Boston aria and I-287 dose a similar thing that goes around greater NY city aria
I know that in the North ends of both I-287 and I-495 connect I-95 near the state line.
in Massachusetts just after entering from NH they intersect I-495 in a Y interchange only have direct connectons (I-495 north to I-95 north) (I-95 south to I-495 south) and people who wanted to get on I-95 south from I-495 or from I-95 north to I-495 south must use Rt-110.
Similarly I-287 begins on I-95 just after entering NY from Ct with a Y interchange (I-287 north to I-95 north) (I-95 south to I-287 south).
after I-95 I-495 goes west to Haverhill Lawerance, and Lowell arias before heads southwest to Marlbaro then heads south then southeast after I-90 mass pike. then heads south east then east to Cape Cod then continues as Rt-25 east
similarty after I-95 I-287 gose west through White Planes then combines itself with I-87 north to cross the Tappen Zee Bridge. then in Suffern I-287 gose southwest in NJ to I-80 then south to I-78 then Southeast then east to Edison then highway continues as Rt-440
What do you think of those 2 highways and there comparson to each other
1. I-287 has tolls. I-495 doesn't.
2. I-287 multiplexes with I-87. I-495 doesn't multiplex with I-95.
3. I-287 changes states. I-495 doesn't (although it almost does twice).
4. I-495 is like an outer belt, with MA 128 as the inner belt. I-287 is not like that.
Other than those differences, they are pretty much the same, just like any half-beltway stopped by the ocean.
Quote from: 1 on June 23, 2014, 10:52:10 PM4. I-495 is like an outer belt, with MA 128 as the inner belt. I-287 is not like that.
Some could argue that the northern half of the GSP (north of Exit 129 - I-95/NJTP)
acts as an inner-belt/bypass with respect to NYC whereas I-287 is more of an outer-belt; commerical/truck vehicle restrictions/prohibitions along the stretch of GSP in question not withstanding.
Another difference between I-495 in MA vs. I-287 in NJ/NY is that I-495 is just over 120 miles long vs. just over 98 miles for all of I-287.
I-495 is more of a semicircle, while I-287 is more like three linear segments (Woodbridge to Bridgewater, Bridgewater to Suffern, Suffern to Rye).
Quote from: 1 on June 23, 2014, 10:52:10 PM
1. I-287 has tolls. I-495 doesn't.
2. I-287 multiplexes with I-87. I-495 doesn't multiplex with I-95.
3. I-287 changes states. I-495 doesn't (although it almost does twice).
4. I-495 is like an outer belt, with MA 128 as the inner belt. I-287 is not like that.
Other than those differences, they are pretty much the same, just like any half-beltway stopped by the ocean.
I also noticed that in the Northen parts of Both I-495 and I-287 hits an urban aria of Lawerance and White Planes.
I-495 goes through the mill city of Lawerance for about 4 exits before returning to its 6 lane wooded mid highway on ether side and heading NB intersects Rt-213
I-287 goes thorugh the mall city of White Planes just about 4 exits north of the I-87 split and just south of the I-684 jct.
In addition to changing states, I-287 serves those that its parent does not go to (I-87 is entirely in NY).
They both have interchanges.
Quote from: Alex4897 on June 24, 2014, 03:20:20 PM
They both have interchanges.
They're both in the United States.
Quote from: 1 on June 23, 2014, 10:52:10 PM
1. I-287 has tolls. I-495 doesn't.
2. I-287 multiplexes with I-87. I-495 doesn't multiplex with I-95.
3. I-287 changes states. I-495 doesn't (although it almost does twice).
4. I-495 is like an outer belt, with MA 128 as the inner belt. I-287 is not like that.
Other than those differences, they are pretty much the same, just like any half-beltway stopped by the ocean.
Using that, they're both similar to I-294 in Illinois. :pan:
Quote from: A00234826 on June 23, 2014, 10:30:26 PM
NY city aria
Would that song that Ace Frehley covered and made famous, "New York Groove," be considered a NY city aria?
How about Sinatra's "New York, New York?"
I-287 and I-495 are similar in all ways except in those where they are different.
insert your own Alanland joke here.
I would say I-495 in MA and I-405 in CA are more similar.
Quote from: A00234826 on June 24, 2014, 11:45:30 AMWhite Planes.
You want white planes? Here's one (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled-(CAL--/Boeing-747-230F-SCD/2340089/L/&sid=95924560c565a67781c5028cad1a4792): :sombrero:
Quote from: hbelkins on June 24, 2014, 08:36:14 PM
Quote from: A00234826 on June 23, 2014, 10:30:26 PM
NY city aria
Would that song that Ace Frehley covered and made famous, "New York Groove," be considered a NY city aria?
I think he just misspelled Arya, a badass character from A Song of Ice and Fire. :bigass:
Well both routes are loops of I-95.
True I-495 continues past its south junction with I-95, but used as an alternate even though not in its entirety.
I think NY prefers to think of I-287 as two bypasses running between I-87 and I-95 that got joined by FHWA-mandated multiplex.
Quote from: vdeane on June 25, 2014, 09:23:02 PM
I think NY prefers to think of I-287 as two bypasses running between I-87 and I-95 that got joined by FHWA-mandated multiplex.
During the early years of the Cross-Westchester Expressway portion of I-287, it indeed had been assigned another number.
NYCRoads I-287/CWE Historic Overview (http://www.nycroads.com/roads/cross-westchester/)
Quote from: Steve Anderson of NYCRoadsIn December 1960, the entire 11.3-mile-long route of the Cross Westchester Expressway, from the New York State Thruway (I-87) in Elmsford to the New England Thruway (I-95) at the Rye-Port Chester border, was completed at a cost of $50 million. Originally designated I-187 in August 1958, the route received the I-487 designation in December of that year. The expressway was re-designated once again in 1961 to underscore its importance as a link in the I-287 beltway.
287 will become more like 495 if they build the Cross Sound Tunnel to connect to NY 135 in Oyster Bay.
Biggest similarity is probably the beach traffic (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=12363.0).
Quote from: spooky on June 27, 2014, 04:29:45 PM
Biggest similarity is probably the beach traffic (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=12363.0).
In my experience, 495 actually doesn't get that much beach traffic. The traffic that I see on 495 is never beach traffic.
Quote from: spooky on June 27, 2014, 04:29:45 PM
Biggest similarity is probably the beach traffic (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=12363.0).
FWIW, that's not the best thread to use as a reference.
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 27, 2014, 04:44:31 PM
Quote from: spooky on June 27, 2014, 04:29:45 PM
Biggest similarity is probably the beach traffic (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=12363.0).
FWIW, that's not the best thread to use as a reference.
Anything by the OP of that thread should not be used as a reference.
Quote from: spooky on June 27, 2014, 04:29:45 PM
Biggest similarity is probably the beach traffic (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=12363.0).
For a portion of its length, 287 uses New York City as a control city. 495 sadly does not.
For some time, I-287 had the infamous "contradiction" exit where the BGSes for the exit read "White Plains No White Plains". Then again, I-495 has those enormous (and idiotic) BGSes in Marlboro that read "Simarano Dr Via Joseph A. Ferrechia Connector Rd EXIT 23C".
Ferrechia was apparently a town politician who expressed support for getting the interchange built, but otherwise did nothing especially noteworthy during his years of public service (every time I pass by the I-495 signs, I'm reminded of Jim Hacker of
Yes Minister discussing honors
QuoteIsn't that what you get paid for?
). And the "connector road" the sign refers to consists of only the
ramps between I-495 and Simarano Drive. Yet another good example of why IMO the right to let lawmakers create legislation declaring memorial designations on streets, highways, and the like should be eliminated.
Quote from: Brandon on June 25, 2014, 10:15:30 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 24, 2014, 08:36:14 PM
Quote from: A00234826 on June 23, 2014, 10:30:26 PM
NY city aria
Would that song that Ace Frehley covered and made famous, "New York Groove," be considered a NY city aria?
I think he just misspelled Arya, a badass character from A Song of Ice and Fire. :bigass:
I assumed he meant you're not out of New York City until the fat lady sings.
(I'm pleased someone remembered the correct name of George R.R. Martin's book series, though!)
Quote from: 1 on June 27, 2014, 04:41:00 PM
Quote from: spooky on June 27, 2014, 04:29:45 PM
Biggest similarity is probably the beach traffic (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=12363.0).
In my experience, 495 actually doesn't get that much beach traffic. The traffic that I see on 495 is never beach traffic.
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 27, 2014, 04:44:31 PM
FWIW, that's not the best thread to use as a reference.
Quote from: Zeffy on June 27, 2014, 05:07:46 PM
Anything by the OP of that thread should not be used as a reference.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FNfY1azF.jpg&hash=3166d870ad0258270ca8760dd7db7885d811ceeb)
Quote from: spooky on June 30, 2014, 07:09:21 AM
Quote from: 1 on June 27, 2014, 04:41:00 PM
Quote from: spooky on June 27, 2014, 04:29:45 PM
Biggest similarity is probably the beach traffic (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=12363.0).
In my experience, 495 actually doesn't get that much beach traffic. The traffic that I see on 495 is never beach traffic.
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 27, 2014, 04:44:31 PM
FWIW, that's not the best thread to use as a reference.
Quote from: Zeffy on June 27, 2014, 05:07:46 PM
Anything by the OP of that thread should not be used as a reference.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FNfY1azF.jpg&hash=3166d870ad0258270ca8760dd7db7885d811ceeb)
THATS THE APO'STROPHE
I-287 goes through a state that its parent doesn't even go through (New Jersey).
It's multiplexed with its parent for some distance.
It goes through mountainous terrain, if you consider it mountainous, through Northern NJ
Like someone said here previously, I-287 uses local cities for control points (Mahway, Boonton, Morristown, etc.). I-495 does what I-285 does in Atlanta, use the control city of the next interstate's control city (Worcester/Springfield, Mass. on I-90, for example).
I-287 only goes west of I-95 in NJ and NY, whereas I-495 actually continues east of I-95 and hooks up with I-195 in Wareham, Mass.
I-287 is roughly 99 miles long, whereas I-495 is 120 miles long.
I will say that they're both about the same distance away from the central city. 25-30 miles top from Boston/New York (I-495/I-287 respectively). For this reason, they're sorta represented as the outermost fringes of development thus far.
I-495 uses Worcester/Marlboro (signed alternately) as control cities not to direct traffic to I-90, but to direct traffic to I-290. I-495 directly connects to I-90, but the destinations on the signs at that interchange are Albany NY and Boston.
Quote from: roadman on July 01, 2014, 11:26:00 AM
I-495 uses Worcester/Marlboro (signed alternately) as control cities not to direct traffic to I-90, but to direct traffic to I-290. I-495 directly connects to I-90, but the destinations on the signs at that interchange are Albany NY and Boston.
I stand corrected, that's even better. I like how beltways, like I-495 and I-285 use control cities of the next freeway that it junctions with instead of cities that it personally visits. If it were me, I'd have both like "I-495 (inner loop/north) Lowell/Concord, NH, when it's just south of I-93. You satisfy the people who use the road locally and for all of those truckers/long distance travelers who just use I-495 as a mere bypass.
Quote from: ElPanaChevere on June 30, 2014, 10:40:48 PM
I will say that they're both about the same distance away from the central city. 25-30 miles top from Boston/New York (I-495/I-287 respectively). For this reason, they're sorta represented as the outermost fringes of development thus far.
At 287's eastern terminus, it is actually quite close to NYC (especially Staten Island) and there is plenty of development to the southwest of it, New Brunswick, which extends over 10 miles out from it and doesn't even touch it being the main example (there is development even further southwest, but that's arguably Philadelphia's metro vs NYC).
But how far is Staten Island from Manhattan, which is considered the central city? Like 8-10 miles roughly, correct?
Quote from: ElPanaChevere on July 01, 2014, 01:04:54 PM
But how far is Staten Island from Manhattan, which is considered the central city? Like 8-10 miles roughly, correct?
The closer you get to NYC - the more they break up the city into its boroughs. This is true on the other side, particularly within NYC where NYCDOT takes over.
Quote from: ElPanaChevere on July 01, 2014, 12:11:43 PM
Quote from: roadman on July 01, 2014, 11:26:00 AM
I-495 uses Worcester/Marlboro (signed alternately) as control cities not to direct traffic to I-90, but to direct traffic to I-290. I-495 directly connects to I-90, but the destinations on the signs at that interchange are Albany NY and Boston.
I stand corrected, that's even better. I like how beltways, like I-495 and I-285 use control cities of the next freeway that it junctions with instead of cities that it personally visits. If it were me, I'd have both like "I-495 (inner loop/north) Lowell/Concord, NH, when it's just south of I-93. You satisfy the people who use the road locally and for all of those truckers/long distance travelers who just use I-495 as a mere bypass.
I-287 does not use the next interstate cities as its NJ control points are Perth Amboy, Morristown, and Mahwah. From I-78 it uses Somerville only because that is the only US 22 city that I-78 has no direct access to.
I-481 in New York State uses DeWitt instead of Watertown or Binghamton which are I-81's (the route it bypasses)control cities on both sides of Syracuse.
Only in the south and maybe some western places do they use other interstate's control points, but generally the north-east uses places along the way.
Quote from: roadman65 on July 02, 2014, 11:27:47 PM
Quote from: ElPanaChevere on July 01, 2014, 12:11:43 PM
Quote from: roadman on July 01, 2014, 11:26:00 AM
I-495 uses Worcester/Marlboro (signed alternately) as control cities not to direct traffic to I-90, but to direct traffic to I-290. I-495 directly connects to I-90, but the destinations on the signs at that interchange are Albany NY and Boston.
I stand corrected, that's even better. I like how beltways, like I-495 and I-285 use control cities of the next freeway that it junctions with instead of cities that it personally visits. If it were me, I'd have both like "I-495 (inner loop/north) Lowell/Concord, NH, when it's just south of I-93. You satisfy the people who use the road locally and for all of those truckers/long distance travelers who just use I-495 as a mere bypass.
I-287 does not use the next interstate cities as its NJ control points are Perth Amboy, Morristown, and Mahwah. From I-78 it uses Somerville only because that is the only US 22 city that I-78 has no direct access to.
I-481 in New York State uses DeWitt instead of Watertown or Binghamton which are I-81's (the route it bypasses)control cities on both sides of Syracuse.
Only in the south and maybe some western places do they use other interstate's control points, but generally the north-east uses places along the way.
I-481 uses Binghamton and Oswego/Watertown (or I-90 Thruway) once you're actually on I-481 and not at the interchanges with I-81. The pull throughs on 481 SB at Exit 3 used to say Cortland but they were changed to Binghamton when the same change was made on I-81 in Downtown Syracuse about 20 years ago. I agree that the bypass aspects of 481 could be signed much better than it is. I always liked the bypass around Richmond, Va. signs along I-95.
There is a sign herehttps://farm9.staticflickr.com/8199/8154090898_a6c380c392_z.jpg that shows it is a bypass for I-81, but using Watertown instead of DeWitt on the main guides would be better.