What does each state name the former US highway going through a town? For example, Mississippi renames its former segment MS 1xx.
A section of US 99 from Tacoma to Everett (via Seattle and the Alaskan Way Viaduct) is now WA-99. A small section of US 10 along the Yakima River is now WA-10.
Some of the other sections are now business Interstate routes or just local thoroughfares.
QuoteWhat does each state name the former US highway going through a town?
With few exceptions, Minnesota's former US highway alignments are now county state-aid routes. A notable exception is MN 61 northeast of Duluth.
The four examples we have in Vermont are VT 4A, VT 7A, VT 7B, and BUSINESS US 4 (Rutland).
In most areas, old US highway segments probably become locally maintained roads, either by the county or the city the road goes through. Here in Nebraska, they get rid of old segments of US highways to local control as fast as reasonably possible.
Arkansas uses either Business Route designations or State Route designations... IF they don't totally surrender them to the city or county.
Old 71 in Fayetteville is 71B, Old, old 71 in Bentonville is SW A St
Old 62 in Fayetteville is AR 180
Old 62 in Rogers is AR 12 in places, a city street in others.
NJ has a hodge-podge. There are some business routes, especially on old US-1 segments. old US-9 in Cape May County is now NJ-109. Sometimes they get creative. Old US-1&9 became NJ 139. Delaware annoyingly signs old US-202 as DE-202 when they are right next to each other, confusing everyone but the locals.
Depends on the municipality or township doing the signing in Illinois. Some are simply marked with their names (Ogden Ave for example for former US-34), others are marked as "Old US Rte XX", as in "Old US Rte 66".
In Michigan, they tend to be marked as "Old XX" as in "Old 27" in rural areas. Urban areas are simply marked with the street name (Grand River Ave for example for former US-16).
Recently in Indiana, former US 31 through Kokomo became state road 931.
Kentucky is very inconsistent. In some cases, the regular route goes through downtown and the bypass gets a "BY-PASS" banner. See US 127 through Lawrenceburg, Harrodsburg and Danville for examples. In other places, the bypass gets the main designation and the old route becomes "BUSINESS" US xx. The new US 68 alignment in Glasgow is a good example of this. Then there's US 31EX in Mt. Washington. :pan: (US nnX being the internal designation for business routes that somehow made its way onto signage there).
And there are also instances where the old route gets a state route designation or becomes a local road.
Depends on the circumstances involved. For North & South Carolina, neither really let go of their US Routes, they typically convert old sections into a Alternate route or Business loop.
When they do not make a Alt/Bus change: small sections may be downgraded to secondary roads; longer sections may be replaced by existing or new state highway.
In Georgia, a few different things can happen:
(Remember that in Georgia, US routes are merely overlaid onto state routes, which are always signed. There cannot be a US route without a corresponding state route.)
1) The old route is turned back to the county and has no* signed number.
2) If the old route is covered by other state routes already (maybe with minor extensions), those numbers will remain in place and a Business US route is overlaid (see US 19/41 in Griffin). Alternatively, the old route might keep its existing state route number with a new state route number assigned to the bypass along with the US route mainline (see US 29 in Auburn/Winder or US 78 in Athens).
3) It will otherwise usually be numbered as a business route of whatever the corresponding state route is - e.g. if US 27 bypasses a town, it will be designated Business GA 1; a US 1 bypass would be Business GA 4; a US 41 bypass would be Business GA 3/7/11/18/19 (depending on where in the state), etc. These are usually not accompanied by Business US routes (see US 78 in Monroe or US 278 in Dallas), though occasionally they are (see US 129/441 in Eatonton).
4) Every now and then, Georgia will take the opposite approach and sign the bypass as, well, the bypass (see US 129/441 in Madison or US 441 in Dublin). This practice seems to be most common in the central part of the state.
* Some rural counties do put county road numbers on street blades along with the name of the road, but that's it.
It will be interesting to see what NJ does to the old US 206 when the Hillsborough Bypass finally gets done. Most likely another NJ 180 or NJ 170 series numbers. Only US 1 and NJ 33 ever got business bannered old routes for their old alignments and US 22 got for a long while US 22 Alternate. I also heard once that NJ 166 was a US 9 Alternate when the GSP first opened to traffic, but I do not know how long that lasted though.
Quote from: billtm on July 07, 2014, 11:59:39 AM
Recently in Indiana, former US 31 through Kokomo became state road 931.
When did they reroute US 30 in Fort Wayne? I noticed IN 930 driving through there the other day.
I would say Texas has a hodgepodge, too, although there are several places where former US xx is now TX xx (former US 81 = TX 81, former US 75 = TX 75, etc.) There are the occasional daughter numberings extant, like Spur 580 (former US 80) and Spur 581 (former US 81). Until recently there were a lot of decommissioned US highways that had become Interstate Business Loops, but in the last +/- ten years, many have lost the Bus Loop designation.
There is a lot of street blade signage in the manner of "Old US 80" or "Old Hwy 20" although many former US Highway segments are signed as and known locally as "The Old [Town/City] Highway" eg, "The Old Dallas Highway", "The Old Temple Road" etc.
Quote from: robbones on July 07, 2014, 05:04:13 PM
Quote from: billtm on July 07, 2014, 11:59:39 AM
Recently in Indiana, former US 31 through Kokomo became state road 931.
When did they reroute US 30 in Fort Wayne? I noticed IN 930 driving through there the other day.
According to Wikipedia, SR 930 came to be in 1998 when US 24 and US 30 were rerouted onto I-469. Of course, INDOT would love nothing better than to get rid of SRs 930, 931 and 933.
Quote from: Brandon on July 07, 2014, 10:49:45 AM
In Michigan, they tend to be marked as "Old XX" as in "Old 27" in rural areas. Urban areas are simply marked with the street name (Grand River Ave for example for former US-16).
"Old 27" in Otsego County near Vanderbilt is actually signed "Old 27" on a county pentagon shield.
Of course, some decommissioned highways become state routes - M-25 and M-27 for example.
In the Kansas City suburbs, there's an exit from I-35 in Kansas for "Old Hwy 56". Can't make it much easier for old-alignment hunters than that...
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 07, 2014, 07:26:55 PM
In the Kansas City suburbs, there's an exit from I-35 in Kansas for "Old Hwy 56". Can't make it much easier for old-alignment hunters than that...
In addition to SR 99, there are two exits off I-5 in Washington for "Old Hwy 99". One down south by Vancouver, the other up north just south of Mount Vernon.
Most former US highway segments in Baltimore City now go by their street names alone.
However, there is an older alignment of US 1 named as Alt 1. It is not signed within the city limits, though.
US 111 is now MD 45.
US 140 is now MD 140.
The very original routing of US 301 is now MD 648.
QuoteOld 27" in Otsego County near Vanderbilt is actually signed "Old 27" on a county pentagon shield.
This is also done in Lake County, Florida. The old road was originally signed "OLD 441" in a US shield, but was later signed "OLD 441" in a county shield, after the state gave the old road to the county.
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Here in North Alabama, if the highway is put on a new street, then they rename the old street "Old Highway X". Old Highway 431 over in Hampton Cove is a good example of this. For some reason however, The old AL 20 alignment in Huntsville is still named Highway 20.
Quote from: robbones on July 06, 2014, 11:20:43 PM
What does each state name the former US highway going through a town? For example, Mississippi renames its former segment MS 1xx.
Except in Jackson, where they were turned over to city control, which already had local names (Medgar Evers Drive and Woodrow Wilson Blvd. for the former US49, State Street for US 51).
I know that the segment of US 9 left behind when the Mullica River bridge opened was reassigned to NJ 167. I'm also wondering if the segment of US 9 up to Beesley's Point Bridge will also be transferred to the Garden State Parkway and a new number assigned to that route, or if it'll be downloaded to Cape May County. The latter seems more likely as the state transitions from keeping old alignments. (NJ 167 should just be turned over to Port Republic and Bass River Township, and NJ 156 should go to Mercer County.)
Can anybody in Illinois confirm if SR 251 was US 51?
In MA, many former US 1 & US 3 segments became MA 1A & MA 3A respectively; although when US 1 through Boston was rerouted onto I-93 & 95 in 1989-1990, the former-US 1 along Storrow Drive, the Fenway, Jamaicaway etc. was not given another route number.
Prior to the implementation of the Interstate system, when an early portion of I-95 was built in MA (north of Danvers); it was originally designated as US 1 and the former-US 1 was designated as MA 17. When the new US 1 became I-95; MA 17 reverted back to its old US 1 designation, a practice that (in most instances) is no longer adhered to today... a former US route going back to its pre-highway road when a US highway receives an Interstate number.
Quote from: PHLBOS on July 16, 2014, 06:21:50 PM
When the new US 1 became I-95; MA 17 reverted back to its old US 1 designation, a practice that no longer adhered to today... a former US route going back to its pre-highway road when a US highway receives an Interstate number.
Except that did occur recently in North Carolina with US 117/I-795 in Goldsboro, if I'm not mistaken.
Quote from: robbones on July 16, 2014, 06:01:49 PM
Can anybody in Illinois confirm if SR 251 was US 51?
Yes, Ill. Rte 251 was US Rte 51.
http://www.highwayexplorer.com/il_EndsPage.php?id=1251§ion=1 amongst other links
US-25 between Cygnet and Toledo is now OH-25 and the stretch of US-25 between Toledo and Monroe is now M-125.
QuoteExcept that did occur recently in North Carolina with US 117/I-795 in Goldsboro, if I'm not mistaken.
I don't remember all the backstory, but this was either a case of NCDOT flubbing AASHTO, or AASHTO not adhering to their own policy.
When US 74 was aligned with I-74, the old alignment through the Lumberton, NC area just became "ALT US 74."
Quote from: Big John on July 16, 2014, 07:42:09 PM
Quote from: robbones on July 16, 2014, 06:01:49 PM
Can anybody in Illinois confirm if SR 251 was US 51?
Yes, Ill. Rte 251 was US Rte 51.
http://www.highwayexplorer.com/il_EndsPage.php?id=1251§ion=1 amongst other links
And before that, IL-351 was also US-51 and then Bus US-51.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 17, 2014, 01:03:24 PM
When US 74 was aligned with I-74, the old alignment through the Lumberton, NC area just became "ALT US 74."
does NC just plain not realize that other numbers exist?
Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 17, 2014, 01:11:56 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 17, 2014, 01:03:24 PM
When US 74 was aligned with I-74, the old alignment through the Lumberton, NC area just became "ALT US 74."
does NC just plain not realize that other numbers exist?
The NC DOT is a mysterious being whose decisions make no sense to anyone outside of Raleigh.
Quote from: froggie on July 16, 2014, 08:19:07 PMAASHTO not adhering to their own policy.
Personally, that's one policy that should be either changed or scrapped; it's created several unnecessary route multiplexes.
For the most part Louisiana uses Business bannered US routes for old US alignments. The newest ones being BUS US 171 in Zwolle and BUS US 84 in Mansfield as highways were four-laned around those towns. Some old alignments are 3xxx state routes like LA 3208 being the old US 80 to the old Mississippi River Bridge. Many (very old) alignments of US 71 in particular say Jefferson Hwy or Old Jefferson Hwy and a few of them are still state routes (LA 480, LA 1225, LA 1239-1 to name a few)
Quote from: Kacie Jane on July 07, 2014, 07:34:22 PM
In addition to SR 99, there are two exits off I-5 in Washington for "Old Hwy 99". One down south by Vancouver, the other up north just south of Mount Vernon.
we've got an "Old Highway 395" exit off I-15.
California generally relegates to town control
bypassed US highways, even when the number is decommissioned. the one example where there isn't a bypass, just a decommissioned number, is CA-99.
BUSINESS bannered routes are pretty rare; and most of them are relics. I don't know which 99 and 101 business loops remain state-maintained. I think most are not; just signed that way.
I think state routes are the most common form of marking former US routes. Of course, if there is no other alignment to use, then historic brown signs will suffice, as with US 66 and the former routes out West that no longer exist (such as US 40 west of UT and US 80 in the Southwest).
Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 17, 2014, 03:01:01 PM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on July 07, 2014, 07:34:22 PM
In addition to SR 99, there are two exits off I-5 in Washington for "Old Hwy 99". One down south by Vancouver, the other up north just south of Mount Vernon.
we've got an "Old Highway 395" exit off I-15.
California generally relegates to town control bypassed US highways, even when the number is decommissioned. the one example where there isn't a bypass, just a decommissioned number, is CA-99.
BUSINESS bannered routes are pretty rare; and most of them are relics. I don't know which 99 and 101 business loops remain state-maintained. I think most are not; just signed that way.
The ones that are tend to be paired with other state routes:
Route 204 in Bakersfield (includes a freeway segment of Golden State Avenue!)
Route 135 in Santa Maria
unsigned Route 283 in Rio Dell
the short portion of Route 132 in Modesto that runs along Business Route 99
the short portion of Route 128 in Cloverdale that runs along pre-2000s US 101
the portion of Route 146 that follows Business US 101 in Soledad
the segments of Route 68 and 183 that briefly overlap Business US 101 in Salinas
The majority of times in Tennessee the old alignments are relagated to local control. Often the road is named Old XX Hwy or Old 31. However, there are instances that the old road retains the hidden state designation such as SR 1 in Sparta, TN or SR 15 over in Bolivar. There are a few Business designations. Other times the old route gets a new state road designtion and the new alignment gets the hidden state route number.
QuotePersonally, that's one policy that should be either changed or scrapped; it's created several unnecessary route multiplexes.
Disagree, but that's for another discussion...
Quote from: froggie on July 17, 2014, 06:23:47 PM
QuotePersonally, that's one policy that should be either changed or scrapped; it's created several unnecessary route multiplexes.
Disagree, but that's for another discussion...
I agree. They should revert back to the US highway designation. This way there is an easily identifible system of alternate routes in case the freeway is closed or traffic is severly delayed.
QuoteThis way there is an easily identifible system of alternate routes in case the freeway is closed or traffic is severly delayed.
There is no reason why these need to be US routes, however...
Any US Route that's routed around a city got business route designations for the most part in WI. These business routes with the exceptions of Wausau and Stevens Point are not part of the state highway system and are instead locally maintained. Some that had been signed in the past are now marked as either county trunk highways or not numbered (lettered). WIS 16 is most of the old alignment of US-16 - which also carries into Minnesota as TH 16 to where it merged with I-90 at Dexter. Froggie mentioned TH 61 earlier, and TH 169 from Virginia to Ely may be - I can't prove it now.
There have been at least two old alignments of US 58 in Virginia signed as Old US 58. One near Coeburn is now signed as VA 158. Another, between Jonesville and Big Stone Gap, was signed as Old US 58 (with "Old" on a banner) as late as 2010.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 17, 2014, 06:40:06 PM
Quote from: froggie on July 17, 2014, 06:23:47 PM
QuotePersonally, that's one policy that should be either changed or scrapped; it's created several unnecessary route multiplexes.
Disagree, but that's for another discussion...
I agree. They should revert back to the US highway designation. This way there is an easily identifible system of alternate routes in case the freeway is closed or traffic is severly delayed.
Quote from: froggie on July 17, 2014, 06:42:41 PMThere is no reason why these need to be US routes, however......
Froggie, it looks like you were about to write something else; care to elaborate?
Avalanchez71, If I were you, I would've worded your above-post differently.
At a glance, you're stating that you "agree" implies that you support the idea of US routes should
not return to its old road when a highway version of it becomes an Interstate (i.e. the freeway becomes a multiplex); but your next sentences completely contradicts such perspective. Which is it?
Back to the topic at hand.When the US 202 Parkway in Bucks County, PA opened in late 2012 (AARoads hosted a meet shortly after it opened); the former surface-streets (Doylestown Rd./Butler Ave.) that were US 202 simply became unnumbered.
When the Exton Bypass (US 30) in Chester County, PA opened in the mid-90s; the old US 30 along the Lincoln Highway became Business US 30.
Quoteand TH 169 from Virginia to Ely may be - I can't prove it now.
It wasn't. At one point, US 169 went from Virginia to International Falls, but that only lasted 2 years, from 1932 (when US 169 was introduced to MN) to 1934 (when US 53 was introduced to MN). MN 169 has always been a state highway extension of US 169.
QuoteFroggie, it looks like you were about to write something else; care to elaborate?
I wasn't, but to clarify my point, there is no reason why
"an easily identifible system of alternate routes in case the freeway is closed or traffic is severely delayed" needs to be a US route. It can be any sort of route. Pennsylvania has their colored routes (i.e. "Red Route", "Orange Route", etc). Wisconsin signs "Alternate I-xx". Minnesota signs them as county routes, as in most cases the old highway is now, at best, functionally classified as a minor arterial (and more often/likely a collector).
Orange Avenue between Orlando and Kissimmee and Old Dixie Highway in Kissimmee itself were the original routes of US 17-92-441 before Orange Blossom Trail was built in 1945.
Then South of Kissimmee the road next to the CSX line known as Old Tampa Highway was old US 17-92.
East of Kissimmee between Kissimmee and St. Cloud Neptune Road was the original US 192.
Other areas of Central Florida you have Lee- Jackson Highway between Haines City and Lake Alfred was old US 17-92.
I was driving on I-74 today near Maxton, NC and saw that an I-74 shield was missing. There was empty spot on a pole next to the US 74 shield.
Okay guys, which one of you took it? :-P
Quote from: froggie on July 18, 2014, 10:37:20 AMQuoteFroggie, it looks like you were about to write something else; care to elaborate?
I wasn't, but to clarify my point, there is no reason why "an easily identifible system of alternate routes in case the freeway is closed or traffic is severely delayed" needs to be a US route. It can be any sort of route. Pennsylvania has their colored routes (i.e. "Red Route", "Orange Route", etc). Wisconsin signs "Alternate I-xx". Minnesota signs them as county routes, as in most cases the old highway is now, at best, functionally classified as a minor arterial (and more often/likely a collector).
With regards to PA's colored
DETOUR routes (I'm assuming that's what you're referring to); when those were first erected, the press (at least in the Philly area) was very quick to slam the nomanclature on the grounds of being overtly vague & convoluted. One editorial suggested using a simple
ROUTE XX DETOUR instead and be done with it. Even worse if one ever tried to follow one of these colored detour routes, the signage is extremely sparse and inconsistent (again, at least around the Greater Philadelphia area).
As far as your
"an easily identifible system of alternate routes in case the freeway is closed or traffic is severely delayed" needs to be a US route comment is concerned, if the I-99 Freeway example of US 220 was
PA 220 instead; I'd be stating the same argument (move the non-Interstate back to its original pre-freeway route).
IMHO, if there's two parallel routes (one freeway, one not) and the non-freeway was numbered before the freeway was built and said-freeway later becomes an Interstate (like the US 220/I-99 example in PA); rather than have one road w/two numbers on it and the other road remain unnumbered, why not have both roads carry separate numbers?
Let's be honest, while the US system still has
some federal hierarchy in it (namely AASHTO); it's not as full-blown a federal system like the newer Interstate system is.
Quote from: PHLBOS on July 18, 2014, 04:22:46 PM
Let's be honest, while the US system still has some federal hierarchy in it (namely AASHTO); it's not as full-blown a federal system like the newer Interstate system is.
Quick, someone tell Calrog.
Quote from: PHLBOS on July 18, 2014, 04:22:46 PM
Quote from: froggie on July 18, 2014, 10:37:20 AMQuoteFroggie, it looks like you were about to write something else; care to elaborate?
I wasn't, but to clarify my point, there is no reason why "an easily identifible system of alternate routes in case the freeway is closed or traffic is severely delayed" needs to be a US route. It can be any sort of route. Pennsylvania has their colored routes (i.e. "Red Route", "Orange Route", etc). Wisconsin signs "Alternate I-xx". Minnesota signs them as county routes, as in most cases the old highway is now, at best, functionally classified as a minor arterial (and more often/likely a collector).
With regards to PA's colored DETOUR routes (I'm assuming that's what you're referring to); when those were first erected, the press (at least in the Philly area) was very quick to slam the nomanclature on the grounds of being overtly vague & convoluted. One editorial suggested using a simple ROUTE XX DETOUR instead and be done with it. Even worse if one ever tried to follow one of these colored detour routes, the signage is extremely sparse and inconsistent (again, at least around the Greater Philadelphia area).
As far as your "an easily identifible system of alternate routes in case the freeway is closed or traffic is severely delayed" needs to be a US route comment is concerned, if the I-99 Freeway example of US 220 was PA 220 instead; I'd be stating the same argument (move the non-Interstate back to its original pre-freeway route).
IMHO, if there's two parallel routes (one freeway, one not) and the non-freeway was numbered before the freeway was built and said-freeway later becomes an Interstate (like the US 220/I-99 example in PA); rather than have one road w/two numbers on it and the other road remain unnumbered, why not have both roads carry separate numbers?
Let's be honest, while the US system still has some federal hierarchy in it (namely AASHTO); it's not as full-blown a federal system like the newer Interstate system is.
Sorry to chime in late, but I think part of the reason we don't see US highways going back to their old routes is that in many states signage as a state highway or a US highway implies state maintenance. Perhaps with the construction of the freeway, the state no longer wants to maintain the old route and leaves it to local maintenance.
Now I would prefer having touring routes, so I would love to see a business route or a US route or a state highway on a well-paved alternate, even if it isn't maintained by the DOT.
Quote from: tdindy88 on July 07, 2014, 05:36:48 PM
Quote from: robbones on July 07, 2014, 05:04:13 PM
Quote from: billtm on July 07, 2014, 11:59:39 AM
Recently in Indiana, former US 31 through Kokomo became state road 931.
When did they reroute US 30 in Fort Wayne? I noticed IN 930 driving through there the other day.
According to Wikipedia, SR 930 came to be in 1998 when US 24 and US 30 were rerouted onto I-469. Of course, INDOT would love nothing better than to get rid of SRs 930, 931 and 933.
Long before INDOT started their 9xx kick, a former alignment of US 6 was named SR 106.
Quote from: bassoon1986 on July 17, 2014, 02:44:21 PM
For the most part Louisiana uses Business bannered US routes for old US alignments. The newest ones being BUS US 171 in Zwolle and BUS US 84 in Mansfield as highways were four-laned around those towns. Some old alignments are 3xxx state routes like LA 3208 being the old US 80 to the old Mississippi River Bridge. Many (very old) alignments of US 71 in particular say Jefferson Hwy or Old Jefferson Hwy and a few of them are still state routes (LA 480, LA 1225, LA 1239-1 to name a few)
When US 167 was widened, Quitman was bypassed, and LA 155 which multiplexed with 167, took over the old US 167 through Quitman to where 155 turned off to its junction with LA 146. The part of old US 167 from that point southward to the LA 811 junction is now maintained by Jackson Parish. Then LA 811 takes over the old 167 from that junction southward to North Hodge and a junction with the current 167.
The maintenance on the old alignment at the Jackson/Lincoln Parish line, the Weyerhaeuser sawmill near Dodson, and the part that runs under the L&A overpass south of Winnfield are unknown by me.