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Title: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: Scott5114 on July 23, 2014, 03:03:09 PM
This way, each resident of California will finally get the government he or she deserves.

Submit your designs for a 37,254,005-star US flag in this thread!
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: Big John on July 23, 2014, 04:49:18 PM
 How do you get 2 senators and 1 Representative for 1-person states where you have to be a resident? :spin:
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: Scott5114 on July 23, 2014, 05:01:12 PM
Does it say anywhere in the Constitution that you can't be a Senator and a Representative at the same time, or that the two Senators have to be different people, huh, smart guy? Hmmmmmm??
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: Grzrd on July 23, 2014, 05:14:49 PM
It sounds like you are suggesting a Grand Unified Congressperson.
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: Scott5114 on July 23, 2014, 05:20:36 PM
Oh, yes.

The state legislature would be unicameral and conduct most business as a Committee of the Whole.
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: Pete from Boston on July 23, 2014, 05:21:55 PM
A population divided against himself cannot stand.
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: formulanone on July 23, 2014, 05:30:53 PM
Motto: You-reaka!
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: The Nature Boy on July 23, 2014, 05:37:57 PM
The state run by the newborn infant will be the best run in all of the region of former California.

Kim Kardashialand will be the worst.
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: Grzrd on July 23, 2014, 05:40:58 PM
E unum pluribus?
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: Mr. Matté on July 23, 2014, 06:14:03 PM
How many states' governments would have to shut down because the constituency thinks that the government is too far left?
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: vdeane on July 23, 2014, 06:37:20 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on July 23, 2014, 05:14:49 PM
It sounds like you are suggesting a Grand Unified Congressperson.

Our first candidate for Grand Unified Congressman: Alan Corcoran, currently in search of a new constituency to represent.
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: algorerhythms on July 23, 2014, 06:51:22 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 23, 2014, 03:03:09 PM
This way, each resident of California will finally get the government he or she deserves.

Submit your designs for a 37,254,005-star US flag in this thread!
People with multiple-personality disorder would be underrepresented in this scenario.
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: DTComposer on July 23, 2014, 06:55:28 PM
I've already developed my state's highway network:

DT-5: Master Bedroom to Front Porch via Hallway, Stairway, Entryway
DT-105: Spur from Master Bedroom to Master Bathroom
DT-105: Spur from Hallway to Second Bathroom via Second Bedroom
DT-15: From DT-5 at Entryway to Driveway via Living Room, Dining Room, Back Porch and Garage
DT-115: Spur from Living Room to Guest Bathroom
DT-315: Spur from Dining Room to Kitchen
DT-515: Spur from Back Porch to Patio

All highways are designed to handle speeds up to as fast as my dogs can run.
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: formulanone on July 23, 2014, 09:16:23 PM
If we tear up any carpet, will we find old wooden or tile alignments?
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: The Nature Boy on July 23, 2014, 09:26:36 PM
Quote from: algorerhythms on July 23, 2014, 06:51:22 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 23, 2014, 03:03:09 PM
This way, each resident of California will finally get the government he or she deserves.

Submit your designs for a 37,254,005-star US flag in this thread!
People with multiple-personality disorder would be underrepresented in this scenario.

For people with schizophrenia, would the voices in their head be considered residents of their state? That could make elections very contentious.
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: Duke87 on July 23, 2014, 09:49:08 PM
This is quite reminiscent of a recent Onion article:

Everyone In Middle East Given Own Country In 317,000,000-State Solution (http://www.theonion.com/articles/everyone-in-middle-east-given-own-country-in-31700,36484/)
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: SSOWorld on July 23, 2014, 10:03:24 PM
What if they want a one-California policy? :happy:
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: Alps on July 23, 2014, 10:16:24 PM
I have already annexed the neighboring states and am currently tithing my fiefdom.
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: The Nature Boy on July 23, 2014, 10:19:33 PM
Given the forum I'm surprised no one has asked but.....

Who is going to take care of the roads?
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: Grzrd on July 23, 2014, 10:20:08 PM
Brace yourselves for sticker shock when you see the toll I charge for trans-state travel on I-1.
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: bing101 on July 23, 2014, 10:23:36 PM
Visiting your neighbors is considered invading Crimea  :spin: .
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: corco on July 23, 2014, 10:24:21 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 23, 2014, 10:19:33 PM
Given the forum I'm surprised no one has asked but.....

Who is going to take care of the roads?

MOUs between neighboring states to form an interstate maintenance agency...which, oh
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: wxfree on July 23, 2014, 11:00:35 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 23, 2014, 05:01:12 PM
Does it say anywhere in the Constitution that you can't be a Senator and a Representative at the same time, or that the two Senators have to be different people, huh, smart guy? Hmmmmmm??
Those are interesting questions.  I can't find where it says that a Senator and a Representative can't be the same person.  Maybe someone should run for both offices in order to draw a case so the courts can figure that out.

The Constitution says "no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate."  I think it's possible, in a single-resident state, that the resident would give his consent, as the voice of that state, for deprivation of equal suffrage and accept his state having a single Senator (himself, of course).
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 23, 2014, 11:07:22 PM
Quote from: DTComposer on July 23, 2014, 06:55:28 PM
I've already developed my state's highway network:

DT-5: Master Bedroom to Front Porch via Hallway, Stairway, Entryway
DT-105: Spur from Master Bedroom to Master Bathroom
DT-105: Spur from Hallway to Second Bathroom via Second Bedroom
DT-15: From DT-5 at Entryway to Driveway via Living Room, Dining Room, Back Porch and Garage
DT-115: Spur from Living Room to Guest Bathroom
DT-315: Spur from Dining Room to Kitchen
DT-515: Spur from Back Porch to Patio

All highways are designed to handle speeds up to as fast as my dogs can run.

And yet the speed limit will be set 20 mph below the design speed.  The dogs will simply chew up the tickets, then in court will sniff the judge's crotch.
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: freebrickproductions on July 24, 2014, 12:01:49 AM
Quote from: DTComposer on July 23, 2014, 06:55:28 PM
I've already developed my state's highway network:

DT-5: Master Bedroom to Front Porch via Hallway, Stairway, Entryway
DT-105: Spur from Master Bedroom to Master Bathroom
DT-105: Spur from Hallway to Second Bathroom via Second Bedroom
DT-15: From DT-5 at Entryway to Driveway via Living Room, Dining Room, Back Porch and Garage
DT-115: Spur from Living Room to Guest Bathroom
DT-315: Spur from Dining Room to Kitchen
DT-515: Spur from Back Porch to Patio

All highways are designed to handle speeds up to as fast as my dogs can run.
That was a bit confusing, can you post the official map? :spin:
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: Scott5114 on July 24, 2014, 02:10:38 PM
Quote from: Alps on July 23, 2014, 10:16:24 PM
I have already annexed the neighboring states and am currently tithing my fiefdom.

Dude, tithing your fiefdom is something you do that's private. Yes, yes, we all do it, but we don't want to hear about it!
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: Scott5114 on July 24, 2014, 02:15:21 PM
Quote from: wxfree on July 23, 2014, 11:00:35 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 23, 2014, 05:01:12 PM
Does it say anywhere in the Constitution that you can't be a Senator and a Representative at the same time, or that the two Senators have to be different people, huh, smart guy? Hmmmmmm??
Those are interesting questions.  I can't find where it says that a Senator and a Representative can't be the same person.  Maybe someone should run for both offices in order to draw a case so the courts can figure that out.

The Constitution says "no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate."  I think it's possible, in a single-resident state, that the resident would give his consent, as the voice of that state, for deprivation of equal suffrage and accept his state having a single Senator (himself, of course).

The two Senate seats are separate positions. In this nonsensical scenario, someone could stand as a Class One senator and then two years later stand as a Class Two senator (or Two and Three, or Three and One, depending on where in the cycle the state joins). When voting, the Senator would presumably cast two votes, one for the Class One position and one for the Class Two.

More practically, the 37,253,956-state scenario would not come to pass, simply because I think there is a population threshold to be admitted to the union.
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: kj3400 on July 24, 2014, 02:39:43 PM
If I wanted practicality, I'd have gone to Alanland!
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: Brandon on July 24, 2014, 03:42:19 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on July 24, 2014, 02:39:43 PM
If I wanted practicality, I'd have gone to Alanland!

Some might ask if states like California and Illinois are any different from Alanland, but I digress.
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: hbelkins on July 24, 2014, 06:47:53 PM
I just wonder how many of the people in California named Alan might want to name their state Alanland. And would there be any confusion if one of them named Allen wanted to name his state Allenland?
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: vdeane on July 24, 2014, 07:31:47 PM
Quote from: Brandon on July 24, 2014, 03:42:19 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on July 24, 2014, 02:39:43 PM
If I wanted practicality, I'd have gone to Alanland!

Some might ask if states like California and Illinois are any different from Alanland, but I digress.
Not enough goats.
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: SSOWorld on July 24, 2014, 07:55:08 PM
Quote from: vdeane on July 24, 2014, 07:31:47 PM
Quote from: Brandon on July 24, 2014, 03:42:19 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on July 24, 2014, 02:39:43 PM
If I wanted practicality, I'd have gone to Alanland!

Some might ask if states like California and Illinois are any different from Alanland, but I digress.
Not enough goats.
And pooing is not cool either
Title: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: Pete from Boston on July 24, 2014, 09:01:33 PM
Quote from: Brandon on July 24, 2014, 03:42:19 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on July 24, 2014, 02:39:43 PM
If I wanted practicality, I'd have gone to Alanland!

Some might ask if states like California and Illinois are any different from Alanland, but I digress.

Some ask, "Is California too large?"  I ask, "Is California large enough?" Calivania and Calhio are full of room to grow.
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: hbelkins on July 24, 2014, 09:15:56 PM
Just as long as there's not a state called "Calrog."  :-D
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: admtrap on July 25, 2014, 12:33:44 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 24, 2014, 02:15:21 PM


More practically, the 37,253,956-state scenario would not come to pass, simply because I think there is a population threshold to be admitted to the union.

Nope!  Nevada was a state for many years before air conditioning was invented allowing the state to actually become significantly inhabited. 

But the size of the House of Representatives is fixed by law at 435 members.  So I'm not sure how 37,253,956 Representatives are going to fit, and I don't think Texas will be happy when it has the same say in the House as Wyoming does.
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: Pete from Boston on July 25, 2014, 01:23:54 AM

Quote from: admtrap on July 25, 2014, 12:33:44 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 24, 2014, 02:15:21 PM


More practically, the 37,253,956-state scenario would not come to pass, simply because I think there is a population threshold to be admitted to the union.

Nope!  Nevada was a state for many years before air conditioning was invented allowing the state to actually become significantly inhabited. 

But the size of the House of Representatives is fixed by law at 435 members.  So I'm not sure how 37,253,956 Representatives are going to fit, and I don't think Texas will be happy when it has the same say in the House as Wyoming does.

It's less a constitutional issue than it is a chair supply issue.
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: Brandon on July 25, 2014, 07:17:53 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 24, 2014, 02:15:21 PM
More practically, the 37,253,956-state scenario would not come to pass, simply because I think there is a population threshold to be admitted to the union.

The threshold, according to the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 is 60,000 in a territory.

Nevada was a special case, having a very low population.  It became a state in order to add to reliable electoral college votes for Lincoln and two reliable Senate votes.  Without the necessity of war and copperhead Democrats, it's likely Nevada would've become a state about the same time as Arizona and New Mexico.
Title: Re: Plan to split California into 37,253,956 States
Post by: Pete from Boston on July 25, 2014, 10:14:09 AM
There was a Straight Dope column years ago about autoindependence.  The main hangup seemed to be if one goes on vacation (or, in this case, to vote in Congress) one's population drops to zero, possibly causing legal dissolution and definitely opening one's territory to hostile seizure.