Thru Traffic is the 51st state.
It is called "Thru Traffic" because nobody stays there. If you go there, you have to go through it without stopping. Nobody lives there, and its population is 0.
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Then all states except Illinois would change their signs as IL is the one who uses states as control cities.
As a state Thru Traffic is constitutionally entitled to two Senate seats and a House seat, but all three seats are vacant. Nobody who tried to run could prove they resided in Thru Traffic.
Quote from: Big John on July 29, 2014, 07:52:47 PM
Then all states except Illinois would change their signs as IL is the one who uses states as control cities.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5201/5376452531_5147acaec0_z.jpg)
Maine, NH and Mass do as well. There's literally a sign in Maine that uses "New Hampshire Massachusetts" as control cities. Those three states would retain "Thru Traffic" as a control city.
People who live near the 605 Freeway would need to split from Los Angeles County?
I knew I had seen "Thru Traffic" pull-throughs in the MUTCD, but I did a quick check, and it looks like they're in the 1961 and 1971 editions but were dropped for 1978. I'm assuming it was intentional, but I didn't notice any disclaimer forbidding their use–and I didn't see a rationale as to why they were dropped. My guess is that Thru Traffic is a bit vague and might be confusing in itself.
There goes my Six State Plan for New England.
Quote from: Big John on July 29, 2014, 07:52:47 PM
Then all states except Illinois would change their signs as IL is the one who uses states as control cities.
NB I-55 a couple miles before the PSB in St. Louis, MO (https://www.google.com/maps?q=st.+louis,+mo&hl=en&ll=38.609051,-90.211615&spn=0.014588,0.033023&sll=39.626846,-108.605347&sspn=3.680696,8.453979&hnear=St+Louis,+Missouri&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=38.609051,-90.211615&panoid=fedhbv0Somy9udfyE7XDMQ&cbp=12,60.12,,0,-3.27)
Access to the Indiana Toll Road from IN 49 (https://www.google.com/maps?q=hammond,+in&hl=en&ll=41.575262,-87.050994&spn=0.007015,0.016512&sll=38.453589,-90.241699&sspn=3.759492,8.453979&hnear=Hammond,+Lake+County,+Indiana&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=41.575262,-87.050994&panoid=6yLBNhpCE0TfRmi2TaQYmQ&cbp=12,238.55,,0,1.29)
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 29, 2014, 09:07:38 PM
Maine, NH and Mass do as well. There's literally a sign in Maine that uses "New Hampshire Massachusetts" as control cities. Those three states would retain "Thru Traffic" as a control city.
MaineDOT also has this on I-395 in Bangor...
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7431/13628397345_fe1498de99_z.jpg)
Quote from: Ian on July 29, 2014, 10:04:24 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 29, 2014, 09:07:38 PM
Maine, NH and Mass do as well. There's literally a sign in Maine that uses "New Hampshire Massachusetts" as control cities. Those three states would retain "Thru Traffic" as a control city.
MaineDOT also has this on I-395 in Bangor...
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7431/13628397345_fe1498de99_z.jpg)
I haven't been north of Brunswick on I-95. This might be worth driving up to when I'm back in the area.
That's just lazy.
Quote from: briantroutman on July 29, 2014, 09:32:49 PMI knew I had seen "Thru Traffic" pull-throughs in the MUTCD, but I did a quick check, and it looks like they're in the 1961 and 1971 editions but were dropped for 1978. I'm assuming it was intentional, but I didn't notice any disclaimer forbidding their use–and I didn't see a rationale as to why they were dropped. My guess is that Thru Traffic is a bit vague and might be confusing in itself.
The first reference to "Thru Traffic" I know of is in the AASHO signing and marking manual for Interstates (1958). I don't know if AASHO invented it out of whole cloth or copied a then-existing practice.
There might have been a couple of factors involved in the deprecation of "Thru Traffic" in the 1970's. First, besides being vague and potentially confusing, it is not really consistent with the philosophy of positive guidance, which was then coming into fashion: "Thru Traffic" tells you what lane position you need to be in order not to exit the freeway, but doesn't tell you where traffic staying on the freeway is actually headed. Second, by the mid-1970's, the Interstate system was almost finished (87.4% of 1995 mileage was open in 1975). It would then have been more of a practical proposition for the various states to agree on control cities for use on pull-through signs in lieu of "Thru Traffic." (Although there was a system map back in 1958 and even earlier, this wouldn't necessarily have been useful for choosing control cities since some high-level decisions as to routing or use of existing turnpikes had not yet been made.)
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 29, 2014, 09:07:38 PM
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Liquor Store? Ha, ha!!! :-D :-D
NH must be one of those silly 'state-run liquor store' states if that is on an overhead sign.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on July 31, 2014, 12:53:37 PM
Liquor Store? Ha, ha!!! :-D :-D
NH must be one of those silly 'state-run liquor store' states if that is on an overhead sign.
It is. It's because Massachusetts doesn't allow it. This spot is about 15 to 20 miles from the Massachusetts border. There is another one on I-95 that is about 4 miles from the Massachusetts border.
Quote from: Zmapper on July 29, 2014, 09:00:23 PM
two Senate seats and a House seat
two senators, certainly. however, the house is apportioned by population. a population of 0 yields 0 representatives.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 31, 2014, 01:09:59 PM
Quote from: Zmapper on July 29, 2014, 09:00:23 PM
two Senate seats and a House seat
two senators, certainly. however, the house is apportioned by population. a population of 0 yields 0 representatives.
Article 1,
Section. 2.
The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.
{Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.}[redacted per amendment] The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand,
but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 29, 2014, 10:06:18 PM
Quote from: Ian on July 29, 2014, 10:04:24 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 29, 2014, 09:07:38 PM
Maine, NH and Mass do as well. There's literally a sign in Maine that uses "New Hampshire Massachusetts" as control cities. Those three states would retain "Thru Traffic" as a control city.
MaineDOT also has this on I-395 in Bangor...
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7431/13628397345_fe1498de99_z.jpg)
I haven't been north of Brunswick on I-95. This might be worth driving up to when I'm back in the area.
That's just lazy.
I would love to see "New Brunswick" and "Florida" on that sign.
How about "other Desert Cities" (with other not being capitalized)? Oregon Coast is another one here in California (US 101 at US 199).
Quote from: 1 on July 29, 2014, 06:33:14 PM
Thru Traffic is the 51st state.
It is called "Thru Traffic" because nobody stays there. If you go there, you have to go through it without stopping. Nobody lives there, and its population is 0.
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If the population of Thru Traffic is 0 how can there be a senator or House member to begin with I thought House members must have 430k to 450k people to qualify. If thru traffic became a state the birth certificate of a house candidate or senate candidate issue will come into play by the political trolls.
Quote from: bing101 on August 03, 2014, 05:56:30 PM
If the population of Thru Traffic is 0 how can there be a senator or House member to begin with I thought House members must have 430k to 450k people to qualify.
See Reply #14 above.
A state motto competition has just been announced:
"A slower pace of life."
"Some states talk about paving paradise; we do it."
"Some places are the home da Vinci, Picasso, or van Gogh. We are the home of overpass etchings."
"'Are we there yet?' 'We've been there.'"
Thru Traffic is twinned with the following places:
* Autres Directions (France)
* The NORTH (UK)
* Alle Richtungen (Germany)
* Todas Direcciones (Spain)
* Tots Direccions (Catalonia, Spain)
* All Other Routes (UK)
Why "The NORTH", but not "The SOUTH", "The WEST", "The SOUTH WEST", "The NORTH WEST" nor "The NORTH EAST"? Actually why any of them at all - they are all too specific.
Plus there is the most useful destination in all of the UK - Out of City (https://www.google.com/maps/@50.808655,-1.087417,3a,50.8y,356.79h,85.84t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s-h84fWt-EypQsO1g2wN0nw!2e0), telling you how to flee Portsea Island and get onto mainland Britain.
Quote from: J N Winkler on August 04, 2014, 11:58:39 AM
Thru Traffic is twinned with the following places:
* Autres Directions (France)
* The NORTH (UK)
* Alle Richtungen (Germany)
* Todas Direcciones (Spain)
* Tots Direccions (Catalonia, Spain)
* All Other Routes (UK)
When GSV published data from Chile, seems we had a discussion here about how the freeway north out of Santiago had as its destination AL NORTE.
New England used to be used as a control city on I-95 in the Bronx. Now, it's been relegated to a destination at the top of I-287 in NJ.
All Other Routes, Autres Directions and Alle Richtungen are all the same way from Folkestone
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(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.meme.li%2Finstances%2F250x250%2F53298742.jpg&hash=3ff0ebf33f42fd17b29e68005be4ba9ca0335a7c)
(sorry, had to :-D )
Quote from: J N Winkler on August 04, 2014, 11:58:39 AM
Thru Traffic is twinned with the following places:
* Autres Directions (France)
* The NORTH (UK)
* Alle Richtungen (Germany)
* Todas Direcciones (Spain)
* Tots Direccions (Catalonia, Spain)
* All Other Routes (UK)
"The North" sounds like it would be a control city on I-95 in South Carolina or Georgia.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on August 05, 2014, 10:44:12 PM
"The North" sounds like it would be a control city on I-95 in South Carolina or Georgia.
In Florida, it would be "Up North".
Quote from: J N Winkler on August 04, 2014, 11:58:39 AM
* Totes Direccions (Catalonia, Spain)
FTFY. Though I haven't seen that yet, only 'Altres direccions' (Other directions).
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on August 06, 2014, 09:24:45 AMQuote from: J N Winkler on August 04, 2014, 11:58:39 AM
* Totes Direccions (Catalonia, Spain)
FTFY. Though I haven't seen that yet, only 'Altres direccions' (Other directions).
Thanks for that. I think I saw "All directions" eight years ago on a fingerpost near a railway crossing within walking distance of the city center of Figueres. (There is no guarantee it still exists because this was the old Iberian gauge line which, I understand, has now been superseded by a LAV.)
Quote from: The Nature Boy on August 05, 2014, 10:44:12 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on August 04, 2014, 11:58:39 AM
Thru Traffic is twinned with the following places:
* Autres Directions (France)
* The NORTH (UK)
* Alle Richtungen (Germany)
* Todas Direcciones (Spain)
* Tots Direccions (Catalonia, Spain)
* All Other Routes (UK)
"The North" sounds like it would be a control city on I-95 in South Carolina or Georgia.
Nah, it would be "Up Yonder" :bigass:
I'm not surprised that "Uptown" is used - NYC would though and I saw this on a local street in Manhattan - but mostly for the locals references here as NYC is aware that most visitors wouldn't understand - though one would need an instruction manual for the subway ;)