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Title: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: Henry on August 02, 2014, 02:08:03 PM
Believe it or not, there have been a few nameplates of cars that have been shared by at least two manufacturers. Some great examples include two nameplates that originated on Cadillacs but are better known as Oldsmobile models: Calais and Aurora (although the latter was originally a Cadillac concept car from the late 80s/early 90s, and rocket-badged editions of the former often had "Cutlass" added to them, though mine didn't). Also, when Plymouth was shut down, the Voyager minivan continued as a Chrysler, serving as the lower-priced alternative to that make's popular Town & Country.

Any more examples?
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: corco on August 02, 2014, 02:18:24 PM
Raider- the Dodge Raider was a rebadged Mitsubishi Montero. The Mitsubishi Raider that appeared 20 years later was a rebadged Dodge Dakota.

The Prowler was also a Chrysler for a year or two after Plymouth went away. Same for the Prizm/Metro/Tracker for Geo, which all turned into Chevys with the same name.

Edsel sold a Ranger and a Villager. Those names were reused by Ford and Mercury in later years. Edsel also sold a Pacer, as did AMC several years later.

Speaking of AMC, the Rambler and Ambassador names migrated across a couple different make names, with Rambler even being its own make there for a while.

One of the more recent, unrelated ones- the new Buick Encore shares its name with the rare-but-sold-in-America Renault Encore.


Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: corco on August 02, 2014, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: DesertDog on August 02, 2014, 04:01:42 PM
It's called "Badge Engineering" and is still a practice to this day.  For example the Chevy Trax and Buick Encore are rebadge of the same platform. It got so bad with the Big Three that brands like Pontiac, Plymoth, Mercury and Oldsmobile don't exist anymore.  I could sit here all day name of platform siblings.  Hell the entire GMC division is just a rebadge.

Badge Engineering is different from this (though the title of the post is deceiving)- this is the reuse of the same model name across different makes, not the same car sold across different makes with different badges.

An example of badge engineered cars that also meet the OP's criteria- the Dodge/Plymouth Neon and Dodge/Plymouth Colt
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: Big John on August 02, 2014, 04:49:02 PM
Or different companies:  Toyota Matrix and Pontiac Vibe was a joint venture amongst those 2.
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on August 02, 2014, 05:23:12 PM
I can think of Kalos, first Daewoo then Chevrolet.

And all those nameplates that are under Opel in continental Europe, Vauxhall in the UK and Holden in Australia.
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: 1995hoo on August 02, 2014, 05:35:02 PM
I believe Subaru and Scion currently sell a car that is essentially the same car under different names....the BRZ and FR-S, if memory serves.

Since the OP referred to different manufacturers, I guess we wouldn't count all the Mercury cars that were basically Fords with a different name (the Sable was a Taurus, the Tracer an Escort, etc.).
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: signalman on August 02, 2014, 06:39:06 PM
There was the Chevy Prism and the Geo Prism; both of which were just a Toyota Corolla.
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: Big John on August 02, 2014, 06:51:48 PM
Quote from: DesertDog on August 02, 2014, 06:41:42 PM
Quote from: signalman on August 02, 2014, 06:39:06 PM
There was the Chevy Prism and the Geo Prism; both of which were just a Toyota Corolla.

Don't forget the Geo/Chevy Metro and the Geo/Chevy Tracker.
And the 1986 version of the Chevy Nova
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: Stratuscaster on August 02, 2014, 08:04:56 PM
Dodge Aspen / Chrysler Aspen
Dodge Duster / Dacia Duster

For several years in the 2000s, Dodge cars were not sold in Canada, so you had the Chrysler Intrepid.

Voyager and Prowler became Chryslers, as noted previously, upon the death of Plymouth.

Early on, Vipers were sold in Europe as Chrysler Vipers.

Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: Molandfreak on August 02, 2014, 09:52:59 PM
Chevy/GMC Suburban, pre-2000.

Dodge/Ram Ram

Dodge/Ram Dakota

Dodge/SRT Viper (why, Chrysler, why?)

Chrysler/Imperial Imperial
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: froggie on August 02, 2014, 10:08:31 PM
Dodge/Mitsubishi Lancer

Mitsubishi also used the Colt, mentioned by corco above as a Dodge/Plymouth.
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: Molandfreak on August 03, 2014, 02:43:29 AM
Quote from: DesertDog on August 02, 2014, 04:51:08 PM
In same vein with the NUMMI cars you have the Chevy Nova and Toyota Sprinter.  (not the same model name but weird nonetheless)
Didn't even realize this one until now, but Toyota/Mercedes Benz Sprinter.
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: bugo on August 03, 2014, 11:10:25 AM
Hudson/AMC Hornet
Hudson/Holden Commodore
Ferrari/Pontiac GTO
Lincoln/Mercury Zephyr
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: 6a on August 03, 2014, 11:35:24 AM

Quote from: Molandfreak on August 03, 2014, 02:43:29 AM
Quote from: DesertDog on August 02, 2014, 04:51:08 PM
In same vein with the NUMMI cars you have the Chevy Nova and Toyota Sprinter.  (not the same model name but weird nonetheless)
Didn't even realize this one until now, but Toyota/Mercedes Benz Sprinter.
We have a Sprinter at work that is branded Dodge. One look inside makes it plainly obvious it isn't an American based vehicle, but Dodge it is anyway.
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: SP Cook on August 03, 2014, 06:20:47 PM
The Sprinter was never a Toyota.  Back when it was Daimler-Chrysler, they were sold under the M-B, Dodge, and Freightliner nameplates, all called Sprinter and identical except for the badges.  (Freightliner was a part of Daimler before it married Chrysler and remained one when they divorced).  They are still sold under the M-B and Freightliner nameplates, assembled in South Carolina to avoid the so-called Chicken Tax.   Also sold in Europe (although called a "Crafter" rather than a Sprinter" by VW.

Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: Molandfreak on August 03, 2014, 06:41:26 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on August 03, 2014, 06:20:47 PM
The Sprinter was never a Toyota.  Back when it was Daimler-Chrysler, they were sold under the M-B, Dodge, and Freightliner nameplates, all called Sprinter and identical except for the badges.  (Freightliner was a part of Daimler before it married Chrysler and remained one when they divorced).  They are still sold under the M-B and Freightliner nameplates, assembled in South Carolina to avoid the so-called Chicken Tax.   Also sold in Europe (although called a "Crafter" rather than a Sprinter" by VW.
Dude, the Toyota sprinter was an '80s compact car. Completely unrelated to the Freightliner/Dodge/Mercedes Benz sprinter. The two unrelated sprinters fit what this thread was intended to be about, not simple badge engineering across marques...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Sprinter
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: bugo on August 03, 2014, 11:00:36 PM
Edsel/Chevrolet Citation
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: Jardine on August 03, 2014, 11:13:13 PM
Friend of mine bought a new 1982 (might have been an '83) Pontiac T1000.

He was very proud of it till we told him it was a Chevette.  He wouldn't believe us for a few days, but he finally realized he had bought a turd. We really rode his ass over his accidentally buying a Chevette.

Bless his gumption, he paid it off in record time and bought a Ford F-150 to restore his street cred.

Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: DaBigE on August 04, 2014, 01:21:20 AM
Mercury Villager/Nissan Quest
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: bugo on August 04, 2014, 04:09:55 AM
Quote from: DaBigE on August 04, 2014, 01:21:20 AM
Mercury Villager/Nissan Quest

Did you even read the first post?
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: DaBigE on August 04, 2014, 10:02:11 AM
Quote from: bugo on August 04, 2014, 04:09:55 AM
Quote from: DaBigE on August 04, 2014, 01:21:20 AM
Mercury Villager/Nissan Quest

Did you even read the first post?

So where's your snarky comment for Big John's post?

Quote from: Big John on August 02, 2014, 04:49:02 PM
Or different companies:  Toyota Matrix and Pontiac Vibe was a joint venture amongst those 2.
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: Henry on August 04, 2014, 02:22:49 PM
Back to the subject at hand:

Oldsmobile/Opel Omega
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: jp the roadgeek on August 04, 2014, 02:41:57 PM
From the 80's/90's
Buick Century/Chevy Celebrity/Olds Cutlass Ciera
Chevy Cavalier/Buick Skyhawk/Cadillac Cimarron
Buick Lesabre/Olds Delta 88/Pontiac Bonneville
Pontiac Grand Am/Buick Somerset then Skylark/Chevy Malibu
Buick Regal/Olds Cutlass Supreme/Chevy Lumina (2 door=Monte Carlo), Lumina later rebranded Impala.
Buick Park Avenue/ Cadillac Seville

Ford Edge and the Lincoln MKX are the same platform today.

Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: bugo on August 04, 2014, 06:23:46 PM
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BADGE ENGINEERING!  The subject is about nameplates that have been used by more than one marque.  Can't you folks read?
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: 6a on August 04, 2014, 06:42:41 PM
The subject says 'same model, different makes' which could be interpreted either way. Perhaps it should say 'same name, different manufacturer'.
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: DaBigE on August 04, 2014, 07:12:40 PM
Quote from: 6a on August 04, 2014, 06:42:41 PM
The subject says 'same model, different makes' which could be interpreted either way. Perhaps it should say 'same name, different manufacturer'.

Agreed. That would be a little clearer.

Quote from: bugo on August 04, 2014, 06:23:46 PM
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BADGE ENGINEERING!  The subject is about nameplates that have been used by more than one marque.  Can't you folks read?

Seriously, take a deep breath, and CALM DOWN. It's a forum thread, not nuclear physics. You seem to be more worked-up on this than the person who started this topic.
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: briantroutman on August 04, 2014, 07:38:42 PM
Quote from: bugo on August 03, 2014, 11:00:36 PM
Edsel/Chevrolet Citation

Most of Edsel's model names were re-used later for unrelated vehicles. (Citation, Corsair–later used by Ford in the UK and Australia–Pacer, Ranger, Villager) And the Comet was originally to have been an Edsel, but I suppose that doesn't really count.
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: Henry on August 05, 2014, 09:50:04 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on August 04, 2014, 02:41:57 PM
From the 80's/90's
Buick Century/Chevy Celebrity/Pontiac 6000/Olds Cutlass Ciera/Cadillac DeVille
Chevy Cavalier/Buick Skyhawk/Olds Firenza/Pontiac J2000, Sunbird and Sunfire/Cadillac Cimarron
Buick Lesabre/Olds Delta 88/Pontiac Bonneville
Buick Roadmaster/Chevy Caprice/Cadillac Fleetwood
Pontiac Grand Am/Buick Somerset then Skylark/Chevy Malibu/Olds Cutlass Calais, Achieva and Alero
Buick Regal/Olds Cutlass Supreme/Pontiac Grand Prix/Chevy Lumina (2 door=Monte Carlo), Lumina later rebranded Impala.
Buick Riviera/Olds Toronado and Aurora/Cadillac Eldorado (4 door=Seville)
Buick Park Avenue/Olds 98
The above are examples of badge engineering, which I definitely was not going after when I first thought up this thread.

Quote from: DaBigE on August 04, 2014, 07:12:40 PM
Quote from: 6a on August 04, 2014, 06:42:41 PM
The subject says 'same model, different makes' which could be interpreted either way. Perhaps it should say 'same name, different manufacturer'.

Agreed. That would be a little clearer.

Quote from: bugo on August 04, 2014, 06:23:46 PM
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BADGE ENGINEERING!  The subject is about nameplates that have been used by more than one marque.  Can't you folks read?

Seriously, take a deep breath, and CALM DOWN. It's a forum thread, not nuclear physics. You seem to be more worked-up on this than the person who started this topic.
Yes, I probably should've made it clearer just to lessen confusion.
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: Brandon on August 06, 2014, 02:16:04 PM
Dodge 600 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_600)
BMW 600 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_600)

Ford 500 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Five_Hundred)
Fiat 500 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_500)

BMW 300 (Isetta) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_300_%28Isetta%29#BMW_Isetta_300)
Chrysler 300 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_300)

Dodge Spirit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Spirit)
AMC Spirit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Spirit)

Dodge Matador (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Matador)
AMC Matador (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Matador)
Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: SteveG1988 on August 06, 2014, 02:17:37 PM
How about this one. Cosworth. Just used so many times, you had the Escort Cosworth, the Mercedes 190E Cosworth, Ford Sierra Cosworth, Vega Cosworth. I would consider that to be a shared Trim and Model name.

Title: Re: Same Model, Different Makes
Post by: formulanone on August 06, 2014, 04:28:39 PM

Quote from: SteveG1988 on August 06, 2014, 02:17:37 PM
How about this one. Cosworth. Just used so many times, you had the Escort Cosworth, the Mercedes 190E Cosworth, Ford Sierra Cosworth, Vega Cosworth. I would consider that to be a shared Trim and Model name.

That's because they were their own tuning company. There's a number of vehicles bearing Lotus (or By Lotus) in their name as a tuning venture, such as Talbot and Isuzu.