It's the phenomenon sweeping the country. Here's how it works: A person is doused with ice water and afterwards, challenge others to do the same within 24 hours. If the person who is challenge doesn't do it within 24, they have to make a donation to a charity.
In a way, I wanna do it; in another way, I don't.
I had one person call me out on Facebook for this challenge when it was a Big Thing. I didn't do it.
It's my decision to which charities I will donate or will not donate, and I certainly would not feel obligated to donate $100 (which I don't have to spare) to someone else's chosen charity simply because someone dared me to have a bucket of cold water dumped on my head and I chose not to.
well, I suppose it beats getting shot for flashing your headlights in the wrong neighborhood.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 14, 2014, 10:20:30 AM
well, I suppose it beats getting shot for flashing your headlights in the wrong neighborhood.
False.
http://www.snopes.com/crime/gangs/lightsout.asp
Quote from: Pete from Boston on August 14, 2014, 11:05:37 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 14, 2014, 10:20:30 AM
well, I suppose it beats getting shot for flashing your headlights in the wrong neighborhood.
False.
http://www.snopes.com/crime/gangs/lightsout.asp
oh, I know it's false. I just went with "compare stupid meme to even stupider meme".
would "Benghazi" been better for the facebook moron crowd?
No one is going to force me to donate to any charity because I didn't pour a bucket of freezing cold ice water on my head. What the fuck kind of shit do people come up with these days? Granted, it's better than some of the "challenges" teenagers have come up with, including the "cinnamon challenge", the "fire challenge", the "let's drink hand sanitizer cause we can get a buzz" sensation, etc.
It's like shaving your head for cancer support - I don't care if everyone else in the world did it, I'm not doing anything I don't want to do and you aren't making me either.
Related, apparently Chris Christie and Cory Booker (http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/08/new_jerseys_two_highest_profile_politicians_have_been_iced.html#incart_river) thought the ice bucket challenge was a good thing to do.
Quote from: hbelkins on August 14, 2014, 10:16:13 AM
I had one person call me out on Facebook for this challenge when it was a Big Thing. I didn't do it.
It's my decision to which charities I will donate or will not donate, and I certainly would not feel obligated to donate $100 (which I don't have to spare) to someone else's chosen charity simply because someone dared me to have a bucket of cold water dumped on my head and I chose not to.
yes, this.
Kudos though to whoever came up with this and has done a remarkable job increasing both awareness and donations for ALS research.
Quote from: Zeffy on August 14, 2014, 11:47:20 AM
Related, apparently Chris Christie and Cory Booker (http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/08/new_jerseys_two_highest_profile_politicians_have_been_iced.html#incart_river) thought the ice bucket challenge was a good thing to do.
I don't think you can be a public figure and ignore this trend.
Personally, if the time comes when someone "challenges" me, I will simply ignore it. My wife did it yesterday and knew enough not to challenge me.
Quote from: Zeffy on August 14, 2014, 11:47:20 AMthe "cinnamon challenge", the "fire challenge", the "let's drink hand sanitizer cause we can get a buzz" sensation, etc.
don't forget butt-chugging.
Sounds to me like a chain letter. Nothing forces anyone to forward a chain letter. Nothing is "forcing" anyone to donate money if you decline a challenge, either, unless you specifically sign a contract saying you'll participate and will pay a penalty if you back out.
Regarding the whole idea of dumping ice water over someone, it sounds pretty similar to the "Gatorade shower." Speaking of which, some people have theorized that former Redskins coach George Allen's terminal illness may have been caused, in part, by having a Gatorade bucket full of ice water dumped over him after a win on a cold night when he was 72 years old. (His son, the former governor of Virginia, doesn't think the incident caused the illness.)
Many of us here in DC miss former MASN sideline reporter Kristina Akra because the Nationals' players always managed to include her in the Gatorade showers in 2012....
The following year, her less attractive successor got a few as well. But this year, the sideline reporter is male.
I think it's dumb as hell but if you're going to do it, do it right.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.tapatalk.com%2Fd%2F14%2F08%2F15%2F3egehu2u.jpg&hash=612f8b67b22d87dcc42d54b10ca0bc2684834361)
This seems to be the "in" thing now with all kinds of celebrities doing it.
On Instagram it is everywhere. It's only a matter of time before I get nominated :-o :-D
Btw if any of you want to follow me I am _davidcarson
I have no friends and plan to keep it that way until this blows over
Quote from: Pete from Boston on August 14, 2014, 11:05:37 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 14, 2014, 10:20:30 AM
well, I suppose it beats getting shot for flashing your headlights in the wrong neighborhood.
False.
http://www.snopes.com/crime/gangs/lightsout.asp
This crap is still going around? Seriously? They were spreading this crap around over 20 years ago. :eyebrow:
Well, the Ice Water challenge is certainly better than that strangling oneself to get high thing that was going on a couple of years back...
Quote from: cjk374 on August 20, 2014, 11:08:57 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on August 14, 2014, 11:05:37 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 14, 2014, 10:20:30 AM
well, I suppose it beats getting shot for flashing your headlights in the wrong neighborhood.
False.
http://www.snopes.com/crime/gangs/lightsout.asp
This crap is still going around? Seriously? They were spreading this crap around over 20 years ago. :eyebrow:
Urban legends never die. They just morph into even lamer urban legends.
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 14, 2014, 11:59:24 AM
Sounds to me like a chain letter. Nothing forces anyone to forward a chain letter. Nothing is "forcing" anyone to donate money if you decline a challenge, either, unless you specifically sign a contract saying you'll participate and will pay a penalty if you back out.
Regarding the whole idea of dumping ice water over someone, it sounds pretty similar to the "Gatorade shower." Speaking of which, some people have theorized that former Redskins coach George Allen's terminal illness may have been caused, in part, by having a Gatorade bucket full of ice water dumped over him after a win on a cold night when he was 72 years old. (His son, the former governor of Virginia, doesn't think the incident caused the illness.)
Didn't the NFL start the Ice bucket challenge or Gatorade challenge in one of the Super Bowl's where it was the NFL coach getting splashed with ice water or gatorade? I didn't think ALS group came up with this idea. I thought it was the NCAA Football or NFL that came up with this challenge.
Quote from: spooky on August 14, 2014, 11:51:06 AM
I don't think you can be a public figure and ignore this trend.
Come Election Day, I'll have to remember to not vote for people who feel the need to do something just becuase it's a trend on Twitter.
Quote from: Brandon on August 21, 2014, 09:32:02 AM
Quote from: cjk374 on August 20, 2014, 11:08:57 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on August 14, 2014, 11:05:37 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 14, 2014, 10:20:30 AM
well, I suppose it beats getting shot for flashing your headlights in the wrong neighborhood.
False.
http://www.snopes.com/crime/gangs/lightsout.asp
This crap is still going around? Seriously? They were spreading this crap around over 20 years ago. :eyebrow:
Urban legends never die. They just morph into even lamer urban legends.
Thanks to new arrivals to the Internet each day (or just discovered Facebook, but not critical thinking skills), urban legends rarely go away. While we're at it, they've probably spread to rural communities as well, so maybe they need a new name...
Maybe I'm missing something, but it sounds to me that famous folks are just grandstanding in front of the camera in lieu of a donation towards the cause. But I guess it spreads awareness, right? ...Maybe?
In any case, if you're an ordinary joe of no public standing, nobody will really care one way or another.
I have no interest in the Ice Bucket Challenge, it's just a fad like all the others.
Quote from: bing101 on August 21, 2014, 10:54:06 AM
Didn't the NFL start the Ice bucket challenge or Gatorade challenge in one of the Super Bowl's where it was the NFL coach getting splashed with ice water or gatorade? I didn't think ALS group came up with this idea. I thought it wad the NCAA Football or NFL that came up with this challenge.
I guess you could say that, but the giving the coach a Gatorade bath only happened after the team won a big game or championship.
Quote from: PColumbus73 on August 21, 2014, 06:14:14 PM
I have no interest in the Ice Bucket Challenge, it's just a fad like all the others.
Really? While I get it that you don't have an interest in it, you call this is a fad? Well, shoot! Then I guess the Polar Plunge benefitting Special Olympics is a fad. I guess Color Me Rad is a fad. I guess the Missoula YMCA Riverbank Run is a fad. I guess the Law Enforcement Torch Run is a fad. I guess every flippin' charitable event held in your own hometown is a flat F A D! I guess the whole damn world and everything inside of it is nothing but a fad. Everything we get from China is a fad. The cars we drive are a fad! The foods we eat are a fad! The beverages we drink are a fad! Just what exactly is the one thing that isn't a fad?! Oh wait. There isn't one I can think of. So, I guess I'm a fad, too.
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on August 21, 2014, 06:38:23 PM
Really? While I get it that you don't have an interest in it, you call this is a fad? Well, shoot! Then I guess the Polar Plunge benefitting Special Olympics is a fad. I guess Color Me Rad is a fad. I guess the Missoula YMCA Riverbank Run is a fad. I guess the Law Enforcement Torch Run is a fad. I guess every flippin' charitable event held in your own hometown is a flat F A D! I guess the whole damn world and everything inside of it is nothing but a fad. Everything we get from China is a fad. The cars we drive are a fad! The foods we eat are a fad! The beverages we drink are a fad! Just what exactly is the one thing that isn't a fad?! Oh wait. There isn't one I can think of. So, I guess I'm a fad, too.
where's that Billy Madison quote when we need it?
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 21, 2014, 06:41:29 PM
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on August 21, 2014, 06:38:23 PM
Really? While I get it that you don't have an interest in it, you call this is a fad? Well, shoot! Then I guess the Polar Plunge benefitting Special Olympics is a fad. I guess Color Me Rad is a fad. I guess the Missoula YMCA Riverbank Run is a fad. I guess the Law Enforcement Torch Run is a fad. I guess every flippin' charitable event held in your own hometown is a flat F A D! I guess the whole damn world and everything inside of it is nothing but a fad. Everything we get from China is a fad. The cars we drive are a fad! The foods we eat are a fad! The beverages we drink are a fad! Just what exactly is the one thing that isn't a fad?! Oh wait. There isn't one I can think of. So, I guess I'm a fad, too.
where's that Billy Madison quote when we need it?
QuoteMr. Madison, what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...
Quote from: Brandon on August 21, 2014, 06:44:05 PM
QuoteMr. Madison, what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...
danke schön!
[facepalm] SMH! That just doubly proves I'm a fad then. Woopie...yeah. Eff it. >(
So you're telling me that in order for a charity to become popular, it needs a clever marketing campaign?
Quote from: golden eagle on August 21, 2014, 06:20:00 PM
Quote from: bing101 on August 21, 2014, 10:54:06 AM
Didn't the NFL start the Ice bucket challenge or Gatorade challenge in one of the Super Bowl's where it was the NFL coach getting splashed with ice water or gatorade? I didn't think ALS group came up with this idea. I thought it wad the NCAA Football or NFL that came up with this challenge.
I guess you could say that, but the giving the coach a Gatorade bath only happened after the team won a big game or championship.
The difference here is that NFL Coaches see the Ice bucket challenge as a tradition thats been around for 20-30 years while other celebs are shocked to try the challenge. I still suspect this was a marketing ploy by the NFL not by ALS group foundation. Pre season anybody.
Five reasons why this law should be repealed:
1. It's blackmail. Either you dump the water on your head, or you lose $100.
2. The person receiving the $100 could just keep it for himself/herself instead of donating it.
3. The ice water is never pure. It always contains dihydrogen monoxide.
4. Some people can't afford paying $100.
5. Last, and most importantly, if I said "you have to give me 20 dollars", you wouldn't have to give it to me. However, with this, they have to pay the other person $100 unless they pour ice water on their head, and it's legally enforceable.
If these people start targeting those opposing this law, this will become much worse, and comparable to other events in history.
Quote2. The person receiving the $100 could just keep it for himself/herself instead of donating it.
Uh, you don't give the person $100 directly, then it would just be a pyramid scheme of sorts. You donate the money to charity yourself.
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on August 21, 2014, 06:47:11 PM
[facepalm] SMH! That just doubly proves I'm a fad then. Woopie...yeah. Eff it. >(
no, I refuse to suck your hiney. suck your own hiney.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 21, 2014, 07:46:30 PM
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on August 21, 2014, 06:47:11 PM
[facepalm] SMH! That just doubly proves I'm a fad then. Woopie...yeah. Eff it. >(
no, I refuse to suck your hiney. suck your own hiney.
Wait, I thought that meant "Shoot My Horse." I guess I owe Billy F 1988 an apology and a new horse...
Quote from: 1 on August 21, 2014, 07:34:17 PM
Five reasons why this law should be repealed:
1. It's blackmail. Either you dump the water on your head, or you lose $100.
2. The person receiving the $100 could just keep it for himself/herself instead of donating it.
3. The ice water is never pure. It always contains dihydrogen monoxide.
4. Some people can't afford paying $100.
5. Last, and most importantly, if I said "you have to give me 20 dollars", you wouldn't have to give it to me. However, with this, they have to pay the other person $100 unless they pour ice water on their head, and it's legally enforceable.
If these people start targeting those opposing this law, this will become much worse, and comparable to other events in history.
What law?
Quote from: PColumbus73 on August 21, 2014, 06:14:14 PM
I have no interest in the Ice Bucket Challenge, it's just a fad like all the others.
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I'm still getting over West Nile fever, I'm thinking while there are some times it would feel pretty good, it would be frowned upon by medical science.
I'm 2 1/2 weeks into this and still feel lousy.
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on August 21, 2014, 06:38:23 PM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on August 21, 2014, 06:14:14 PM
I have no interest in the Ice Bucket Challenge, it's just a fad like all the others.
Really? While I get it that you don't have an interest in it, you call this is a fad? Well, shoot! Then I guess the Polar Plunge benefitting Special Olympics is a fad. I guess Color Me Rad is a fad. I guess the Missoula YMCA Riverbank Run is a fad. I guess the Law Enforcement Torch Run is a fad. I guess every flippin' charitable event held in your own hometown is a flat F A D! I guess the whole damn world and everything inside of it is nothing but a fad. Everything we get from China is a fad. The cars we drive are a fad! The foods we eat are a fad! The beverages we drink are a fad! Just what exactly is the one thing that isn't a fad?! Oh wait. There isn't one I can think of. So, I guess I'm a fad, too.
The Polar Plunge happens every year. Outside of the NFL, the ice water challenge is brand new and there's no indication it will continue after it eventually dies out.
Quote from: 1 on August 21, 2014, 07:34:17 PM
Five reasons why this law should be repealed:
1. It's blackmail. Either you dump the water on your head, or you lose $100.
2. The person receiving the $100 could just keep it for himself/herself instead of donating it.
3. The ice water is never pure. It always contains dihydrogen monoxide.
4. Some people can't afford paying $100.
5. Last, and most importantly, if I said "you have to give me 20 dollars", you wouldn't have to give it to me. However, with this, they have to pay the other person $100 unless they pour ice water on their head, and it's legally enforceable.
If these people start targeting those opposing this law, this will become much worse, and comparable to other events in history.
It's a social requirement, not a legal one, and definitely not a moral one.
Lol! It's a "fad" because it will fade into obscurity once people have either all been nominated or ignore it.
More than anything, it's a way for people to showboat their awesomeness on facebook/twitter/et al. Every day, people are posting videos with titles "Best ASL challenge yet!!" because everyone is trying to outdo each other. Ever notice how, when proving that they donated (whether they dumped ice water on their head or not), people are flashing $100 bills or a receipt without a dollar amount on it? It's to show "look how altruistic I am!!" The original challenge actually had no set dollar amount to it...somewhere on the train the amount got set to $100.
This is what I'm going to do if I get nominated (I posted this on my twitter, reposted from another user):
donate money to a charity you care about on your own volition, then don't tell your friends about it #NextBigCharityChallenge
Well put Laura. I predict that, fifty or so years from now, historians are going to look back on Twitbird, Facelessbook, and the like. And their conclusion will be something along the lines of "What a truly shallow, vapid, and egocentric society we all once were. And we all were actually eager to allow corporate marketing executives to manipulate us."
Quote from: roadman on August 22, 2014, 02:22:59 PM
Well put Laura. I predict that, fifty or so years from now, historians are going to look back on Twitbird, Facelessbook, and the like. And their conclusion will be something along the lines of "What a truly shallow, vapid, and egocentric society we all once were. And we all were actually eager to allow corporate marketing executives to manipulate us."
Oh, don't worry, if there's one thing humans are good at, it's inventing more ways to be shallow and vapid.
Quote from: roadman on August 22, 2014, 02:22:59 PM
Well put Laura. I predict that, fifty or so years from now, historians are going to look back on Twitbird, Facelessbook, and the like. And their conclusion will be something along the lines of "What a truly shallow, vapid, and egocentric society we all once were. And we all were actually eager to allow corporate marketing executives to manipulate us."
I hope you're right, but recent history seems to have society rapidly progressing in the wrong direction. Also, why are we in this handbasket?
http://www.whas11.com/news/local/2-people-injured-while-working-at-Campbellsville-University-on-aerial-ladder-272176541.html
When the challenge goes wrong...
Quote from: 1 on August 21, 2014, 07:34:17 PM
Five reasons why this law should be repealed:
1. It's blackmail. Either you dump the water on your head, or you lose $100.
2. The person receiving the $100 could just keep it for himself/herself instead of donating it.
3. The ice water is never pure. It always contains dihydrogen monoxide.
4. Some people can't afford paying $100.
5. Last, and most importantly, if I said "you have to give me 20 dollars", you wouldn't have to give it to me. However, with this, they have to pay the other person $100 unless they pour ice water on their head, and it's legally enforceable.
If these people start targeting those opposing this law, this will become much worse, and comparable to other events in history.
You think it's a law....
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
^^ Yesterday, I was driving past a courthouse, and saw a judge getting dumped on outside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnKoEuWzu_I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnKoEuWzu_I)
I forgot to mention that the Ice shower and Gatorade Challenge is also an MLB Tradition for MLB MVP's.
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/entertainment/08/21/14/watch-lea-salonga-takes-ice-bucket-challenge (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/entertainment/08/21/14/watch-lea-salonga-takes-ice-bucket-challenge)
Apparently even other countries are falling for the ALS Challenge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoN7tQ4wtk&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoN7tQ4wtk&feature=youtu.be)
an NFL Tradition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp85NUL6TUI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp85NUL6TUI)
Also an NBA Finals Tradition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GFoywGorp8
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Quote from: US71 on August 22, 2014, 08:28:33 PM
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Thank You!!! Its good grandstanding video's to watch other people beside the NFL and MLB members doing the Ice bucket Challenge.
Quote from: US71 on August 22, 2014, 08:28:33 PM
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Excellent! Ice is for drinks, not for pouring on heads.
The sad part is this shit actually works and gets people to donate who otherwise would not.
"Donate to ALS?"
"Nah"
"Donate to ALS or dump ice water on your head!"
"Okay, I'll donate"
It's an unfortunate aspect of human psychology that when you present someone with two options they will tend to feel forced to choose between the two options you present them and neglect to consider that there may be others. Even if the dichotomy is obviously contrived and ridiculous. It bothers me to no end since it is, in the wise words of Mr. Spock, "highly illogical", and yet everyone follows along anyway.
I have a friend who is shaving her head and asking for donations to support cancer research, and yes, some people have donated. We are a strange sort of creature indeed where self-mutilation "for a good cause" is something we can rally behind.
Your friend who shaved her head for cancer research (which is surely something about chemo) is doing it to give money for cancer research. She's being sponsored to do stuff that people wouldn't want to do (see also long runs, silences, fasts, etc) and giving that money to a good cause.
The ice water challenge, on the other hand, is done to not give money to ALS. The people doing it are saying (more ridiculous when they are rich celebrities) "I'd rather have a bucket of ice water poured on my head than give money to ALS".
Both are unpleasant and humiliating, but the 'strange' one is the one that is used to give, rather than to avoid giving - both seem as strange as each other. But stranger of all is that those who are avoiding giving are treated as doing good for avoiding it.
I've tended to notice that a lot of oddities in human nature and society appear to be cause by the population breakdown between sensory temperaments (80% total; ~40% each for Guardians and Artisans) and those with intuitive ones (20% total; ~10% each for Rationalists and Idealists). Due to the wide breakdown (which doesn't exist for extraversion/introversion, thinking/feeling, and judging/perceiving), the two groups don't really understand each other.
Quote from: vdeane on August 24, 2014, 02:25:16 PM
I've tended to notice that a lot of oddities in human nature and society appear to be cause by the population breakdown between sensory temperaments (80% total; ~40% each for Guardians and Artisans) and those with intuitive ones (20% total; ~10% each for Rationalists and Idealists). Due to the wide breakdown (which doesn't exist for extraversion/introversion, thinking/feeling, and judging/perceiving), the two groups don't really understand each other.
Myers-Briggs? :sombrero:
Anyhoo... it's a great cause, no question, but it has "bandwagon" written all over it. If I'm ever the recipient of a challenge, I'd be tempted to donate $200 to ALS if the challenger dumps the bucket on themselves.
Quote from: bookem on August 24, 2014, 03:01:54 PM
Anyhoo... it's a great cause, no question, but it has "bandwagon" written all over it. If I'm ever the recipient of a challenge, I'd be tempted to donate $200 to ALS if the challenger dumps the bucket on themselves.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Quote from: US71 on August 24, 2014, 03:43:16 PM
Quote from: bookem on August 24, 2014, 03:01:54 PM
Anyhoo... it's a great cause, no question, but it has "bandwagon" written all over it. If I'm ever the recipient of a challenge, I'd be tempted to donate $200 to ALS if the challenger dumps the bucket on themselves.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
THAT'S the way it should work! :nod:
Quote from: cjk374 on August 24, 2014, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: US71 on August 24, 2014, 03:43:16 PM
Quote from: bookem on August 24, 2014, 03:01:54 PM
Anyhoo... it's a great cause, no question, but it has "bandwagon" written all over it. If I'm ever the recipient of a challenge, I'd be tempted to donate $200 to ALS if the challenger dumps the bucket on themselves.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
THAT'S the way it should work! :nod:
So I've been nominated twice for the challenge and so far haven't acknowledged either one... I would seriously consider donating money and then tagging you and then accepting your challenge.
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What if I don't want to give money to ALS? What if I want to give money to Alzheimer's research, the American Cancer Society, or the Kentucky Humane Society, or a preferred political candidate? Whatever good cause I want to donate to should be my business.
Quote from: hbelkins on August 24, 2014, 10:31:44 PM
What if I don't want to give money to ALS? What if I want to give money to Alzheimer's research, the American Cancer Society, or the Kentucky Humane Society, or a preferred political candidate? Whatever good cause I want to donate to should be my business.
Thank you - someone donating money to a charity should be an act of
goodwill, NOT a publicity stunt to make it seem like you care. If you have to film it or say it, you probably don't give a damn about what you are giving to.
Quote from: Zeffy on August 24, 2014, 10:40:21 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 24, 2014, 10:31:44 PM
What if I don't want to give money to ALS? What if I want to give money to Alzheimer's research, the American Cancer Society, or the Kentucky Humane Society, or a preferred political candidate? Whatever good cause I want to donate to should be my business.
Thank you - someone donating money to a charity should be an act of goodwill, NOT a publicity stunt to make it seem like you care. If you have to film it or say it, you probably don't give a damn about what you are giving to.
Plenty of people are donating to other charities and still doing the ice bucket challenge. The first person who nominated me donated to a charity that helps terminally ill children.
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I like Vin Diesel's challenge: "Plant a tree for Groot"
Quote from: bing101 on August 21, 2014, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 14, 2014, 11:59:24 AM
Sounds to me like a chain letter. Nothing forces anyone to forward a chain letter. Nothing is "forcing" anyone to donate money if you decline a challenge, either, unless you specifically sign a contract saying you'll participate and will pay a penalty if you back out.
Regarding the whole idea of dumping ice water over someone, it sounds pretty similar to the "Gatorade shower." Speaking of which, some people have theorized that former Redskins coach George Allen's terminal illness may have been caused, in part, by having a Gatorade bucket full of ice water dumped over him after a win on a cold night when he was 72 years old. (His son, the former governor of Virginia, doesn't think the incident caused the illness.)
Didn't the NFL start the Ice bucket challenge or Gatorade challenge in one of the Super Bowl's where it was the NFL coach getting splashed with ice water or gatorade? I didn't think ALS group came up with this idea. I thought it was the NCAA Football or NFL that came up with this challenge.
'86 Giants. Jim Burt and Harry Carson would get followed by camera crews as they sneaked up behind Bill Parcells to douse him after their many wins.
It stayed interesting for as long as several months after that.
As for the challenge, you will all forget about it next year when "eat topsoil challenge" takes over, and people unquestioningly swallow handsful of earth on camera while instructing their loved ones to do the same.
Quote from: vdeane on August 24, 2014, 02:25:16 PM
I've tended to notice that a lot of oddities in human nature and society appear to be cause by the population breakdown between sensory temperaments (80% total; ~40% each for Guardians and Artisans) and those with intuitive ones (20% total; ~10% each for Rationalists and Idealists). Due to the wide breakdown (which doesn't exist for extraversion/introversion, thinking/feeling, and judging/perceiving), the two groups don't really understand each other.
can you elaborate on this? it seems to not be quite a non-sequitur in this particular thread, but I'm not seeing where you're leading with it.
This fad will definitely end by the time winter approaches...
Quote from: hbelkins on August 24, 2014, 10:31:44 PM
What if I don't want to give money to ALS? What if I want to give money to Alzheimer's research, the American Cancer Society, or the Kentucky Humane Society, or a preferred political candidate? Whatever good cause I want to donate to should be my business.
If you read how this got started, it was basically a donate to anyone challenge, but for some reason ALS became the charity of choice. To be honest with you, it may have worked out better that way. I guess someone could've said "I nominate Jeff and Nicole to dump water ice on their heads or donate $100 to their Favorite Charity", but if I'm already donating to my favorite charity, what's the incentive to do it again?
Since I can't resist the opportunity...
In Alanland, they were dumping $100 on their heads, and donating buckets of water to charity.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 25, 2014, 02:46:57 PM
Quote from: vdeane on August 24, 2014, 02:25:16 PM
I've tended to notice that a lot of oddities in human nature and society appear to be cause by the population breakdown between sensory temperaments (80% total; ~40% each for Guardians and Artisans) and those with intuitive ones (20% total; ~10% each for Rationalists and Idealists). Due to the wide breakdown (which doesn't exist for extraversion/introversion, thinking/feeling, and judging/perceiving), the two groups don't really understand each other.
can you elaborate on this? it seems to not be quite a non-sequitur in this particular thread, but I'm not seeing where you're leading with it.
The post was intended to be longer, but I managed to back myself into a corner where there were no good options other than "cut it here". All of human history and human nature can be explained by the S vs. N dynamic, but it's very difficult to explain without either going political or accidentally insulting someone's personality temperament. I freely admit to having pro-intuitive bias and it's affecting my ability to write about this in an objective manner.
Quote from: vdeane on August 25, 2014, 09:52:53 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 25, 2014, 02:46:57 PM
Quote from: vdeane on August 24, 2014, 02:25:16 PM
I've tended to notice that a lot of oddities in human nature and society appear to be cause by the population breakdown between sensory temperaments (80% total; ~40% each for Guardians and Artisans) and those with intuitive ones (20% total; ~10% each for Rationalists and Idealists). Due to the wide breakdown (which doesn't exist for extraversion/introversion, thinking/feeling, and judging/perceiving), the two groups don't really understand each other.
can you elaborate on this? it seems to not be quite a non-sequitur in this particular thread, but I'm not seeing where you're leading with it.
The post was intended to be longer, but I managed to back myself into a corner where there were no good options other than "cut it here". All of human history and human nature can be explained by the S vs. N dynamic, but it's very difficult to explain without either going political or accidentally insulting someone's personality temperament. I freely admit to having pro-intuitive bias and it's affecting my ability to write about this in an objective manner.
Figured it out: sensors strike me an more likely to be a part of the "mainstream" and be integrated into society's structure, while intuitive types are more likely to break out and do their own thing.
Quote from: vdeane on August 27, 2014, 01:12:01 PM
Quote from: vdeane on August 25, 2014, 09:52:53 PM
The post was intended to be longer, but I managed to back myself into a corner where there were no good options other than "cut it here". All of human history and human nature can be explained by the S vs. N dynamic, but it's very difficult to explain without either going political or accidentally insulting someone's personality temperament. I freely admit to having pro-intuitive bias and it's affecting my ability to write about this in an objective manner.
Figured it out: sensors strike me an more likely to be a part of the "mainstream" and be integrated into society's structure, while intuitive types are more likely to break out and do their own thing.
got it! S/N is the one which I grasp the least. I would like to think that I'm both sensing
and intuitive; they are to me not nearly as much a pair of opposites as the other three axes are.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 25, 2014, 02:58:32 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 24, 2014, 10:31:44 PM
What if I don't want to give money to ALS? What if I want to give money to Alzheimer's research, the American Cancer Society, or the Kentucky Humane Society, or a preferred political candidate? Whatever good cause I want to donate to should be my business.
If you read how this got started, it was basically a donate to anyone challenge, but for some reason ALS became the charity of choice. To be honest with you, it may have worked out better that way. I guess someone could've said "I nominate Jeff and Nicole to dump water ice on their heads or donate $100 to their Favorite Charity", but if I'm already donating to my favorite charity, what's the incentive to do it again?
Since I can't resist the opportunity...
In Alanland, they were dumping $100 on their heads, and donating buckets of water to charity.
Wrong. They were dumping charity on their Numberwangs (they don't have dollars in Alanland, they're both outlawed and required), and donating their heads to water.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 25, 2014, 02:58:32 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 24, 2014, 10:31:44 PM
What if I don't want to give money to ALS? What if I want to give money to Alzheimer's research, the American Cancer Society, or the Kentucky Humane Society, or a preferred political candidate? Whatever good cause I want to donate to should be my business.
If you read how this got started, it was basically a donate to anyone challenge, but for some reason ALS became the charity of choice. To be honest with you, it may have worked out better that way. I guess someone could've said "I nominate Jeff and Nicole to dump water ice on their heads or donate $100 to their Favorite Charity", but if I'm already donating to my favorite charity, what's the incentive to do it again?
Since I can't resist the opportunity...
In Alanland, they were dumping $100 on their heads, and donating buckets of water to charity.
Charlie Sheen is a very prominent Alanlander, who has many Numberwangs:
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Look. Call it what you will, regardless of what you all think about it, let me give you something to think about. My step-aunt passed away from ALS a couple of years ago. Does that not tell you the significance of this charity? Of course not because you don't know what it was like for my step-mother to lose her sister to ALS. You don't get it unless you have had a family member pass away from the same disease.
There are quite a few of you who don't appreciate this at all. Let me leave you with this: if you firmly know that this is not a charity you want to donate money to or take the challenge, then you can opt out of it and go find one that you can donate money, volunteer your time, or whatever instead of slapping a bunch of this nonsense all over the interwebs.
If you don't like what certain people are doing regardless if they are celebrities or just average joe-schmoes, like the Ice Bucket Challenge for instance, I'm sorry, but I have no time to hear your tripe of an excuse as to why you don't like it.
That's what's great about the internet. We have the ability to express opinions to a wide audience, you have the option of not reading them.
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Quote from: Billy F 1988 on August 28, 2014, 02:55:09 AM
Look. Call it what you will, regardless of what you all think about it, let me give you something to think about. My step-aunt passed away from ALS a couple of years ago. Does that not tell you the significance of this charity? Of course not because you don't know what it was like for my step-mother to lose her sister to ALS. You don't get it unless you have had a family member pass away from the same disease.
Conversely, there are a lot of other people who have never lost a family member to ALS, but have to other diseases. (My mother to cancer, one grandfather to emphysema, another to a stroke, a very close friend to a drunk-driving wreck [he wasn't drinking but was hit head-on by a driver with alcohol and multiple illegal drugs in his system], and so on.)
This charity may be near and dear to your heart, but it isn't to a lot of other people. Other charities mean more to them.
Then what's the problem? Donate to those charities, then. There's plenty of things that need donating to, and standing around debating about which one is more important isn't helping anyone.
Quote from: kj3400 on August 28, 2014, 01:47:48 PM
Then what's the problem? Donate to those charities, then. There's plenty of things that need donating to, and standing around debating about which one is more important isn't helping anyone.
the problem is Billy F's simultaneous bellyaching and evangelizing.
nobody likes being
whined at about how to give, or not give, their money.
Well if you live in Vallejo, Napa and American Canyon right now you are more focused on donating or volunteering at the Red Cross after the 2014 West Napa Fault quake. The people here are more interested in donating to Red Cross to fund an earthquake warning system and helping people repair their homes.
But good luck to others that did donate to other groups such as ALS Group.
A sales rep at my company did the challenge today.
Quote from: golden eagle on August 28, 2014, 06:28:25 PM
A sales rep at my company did the challenge today.
remind me to not buy your products and/or services.
Do you need medical supplies?
Quote from: golden eagle on August 28, 2014, 06:41:42 PM
Do you need medical supplies?
*looks at twitching arm on the ground*
nah, it's just a flesh wound.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 28, 2014, 06:43:35 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on August 28, 2014, 06:41:42 PM
Do you need medical supplies?
*looks at twitching arm on the ground*
nah, it's just a flesh wound.
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Quote from: US71 on August 28, 2014, 08:39:45 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 28, 2014, 06:43:35 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on August 28, 2014, 06:41:42 PM
Do you need medical supplies?
*looks at twitching arm on the ground*
nah, it's just a flesh wound.
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You beat me to it haha