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Check out this unusual inverted JUNCTION sign instead of the typical black on white JCT sign.
Signs like this are very common in parts of SW Georgia as this one here is in Valdosta along Perimeter Road (the latest alignment for US 41 and GA 7) approaching the north end of the business loop for both highways from the south.
There are even some along US 84 in Bainbridge, US 82 in Albany, and other places in that whole region of the Peach State. Nonetheless it is different from traditional methods, but cool in that its being used. IMO I think it makes traveling more interesting to run across these.
The city of Sault Ste. Marie ON has an unusual practice I haven't seen anywhere else in Ontario.
They sign the direction of ON 17 as North (West). The highway goes northward from here even though it's an east - west highway. Personally I'm not a fan. I think it just adds confusion.
Not only that, but the city also uses the largest concentration of Clearview signs in Ontario. Currently the MTO doesn't use Clearview on its signs (there are exceptions). I know the MTO has done experiments on Clearview, but I believe those signs were installed on busier highways in the south (there's one on the QEW at the 403 junction in Burlington). And yes, I am aware of the Clearview on the Gardener Expressway in Toronto.
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The first sign into Canada one would see:
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GSV had some bad blurring here. The shield is an ON 17 in Series E.
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First sign one would see as they enter the city limits.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FLbgUyqP.jpg&hash=3992113d7a240277ddb34aad954051ff86c25de6)
Quote from: roadman65 on September 27, 2014, 08:48:49 AM
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2947/15179797280_a48ab77d16_c.jpg)
Check out this unusual inverted JUNCTION sign instead of the typical black on white JCT sign.
Signs like this are very common in parts of SW Georgia as this one here is in Valdosta along Perimeter Road (the latest alignment for US 41 and GA 7) approaching the north end of the business loop for both highways from the south.
There are even some along US 84 in Bainbridge, US 82 in Albany, and other places in that whole region of the Peach State. Nonetheless it is different from traditional methods, but cool in that its being used. IMO I think it makes traveling more interesting to run across these.
I really like this. The "JUNCTION" nicely spans the two columns of signs, and then the black background matches the mostly-black shields very well. Nice going, Georgia.
Welcome to Chicago.
Why follow the MUTCD when you can make up your own?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi837.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz298%2Fmidamcrossrds%2F100_4112_zps6497a1d4.jpg&hash=370ff56e84cae0f75b8df68d0b5c0d5f82028954) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4112_zps6497a1d4.jpg.html)
No outlet on a regulatory sign.
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Tiny directional signage.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi837.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz298%2Fmidamcrossrds%2F100_4571_zpsd2c3a56b.jpg&hash=35c9425c7aaf433f1845e758a2334a4e005a440f) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4571_zpsd2c3a56b.jpg.html)
Turn on headlights.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi837.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz298%2Fmidamcrossrds%2F100_4573_zps086bf4c1.jpg&hash=b334432760ecda864b9e8cc0836e479397460a6d) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4573_zps086bf4c1.jpg.html)
Explicit parking restrictions.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi837.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz298%2Fmidamcrossrds%2F100_4157_zps272e8a7a.jpg&hash=3ab28a8c3ba1ec394fdb0b9992651c4cce0edb9b) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4157_zps272e8a7a.jpg.html)
No peddling.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi837.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz298%2Fmidamcrossrds%2F100_3701_zps0d2ccd96.jpg&hash=4149df4b2ce6808401c4d2857ca3723e5adbdc3d) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_3701_zps0d2ccd96.jpg.html)
MUTCD? Fuck the MUTCD, it wasn't sent.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi837.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz298%2Fmidamcrossrds%2F100_3677_zpsb968d57a.jpg&hash=584222cc95595138e0cb86219522996006084786) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_3677_zpsb968d57a.jpg.html)
"State/Area/City/Town/Village/Park/Campus Speed Limit" (that all of them?) in New York. I don't think I need to post an image of this one.
Erie County, NY omitted "Rd/St/etc." from blade signs until about a decade ago. A sign for "Central Ave" would read "Central". Got confusing when there were two roads of the same name in an area. Not entirely unique, but frowned upon.
Pennsylvania's love of 2 mile advance signs, unheard of anywhere else I've been.
Ohio's slanted arrows to indicate option lanes stopped within the past 3 years, after the 2009 MUTCD explicitly banned downward slanting arrows.
Quote from: cl94 on September 29, 2014, 11:38:29 PM
Pennsylvania's love of 2 mile advance signs, unheard of anywhere else I've been.
Arizona is quite fond of them for major road junctions in rural areas.
http://goo.gl/maps/PBkAn
http://goo.gl/maps/B168J
http://goo.gl/maps/Eches
http://goo.gl/maps/5LgyK
http://goo.gl/maps/t7TSw
Here's a 2 mile advance sign with a EXIT ONLY legend.
http://goo.gl/maps/jImIM
http://goo.gl/maps/jBRey
Quote from: cl94 on September 29, 2014, 11:38:29 PM
Pennsylvania's love of 2 mile advance signs, unheard of anywhere else I've been.
The NJ Turnpike uses them at about every interchange, and I've seen these elsewhere in NJ...along with I-95 in Delaware (SB, approaching Exit 1).
Quote from: cl94 on September 29, 2014, 11:38:29 PM
Pennsylvania's love of 2 mile advance signs, unheard of anywhere else I've been.
The Ohio Turnpike always uses them, and ISTHA uses much, much longer distances, choosing to list the next exit or next two exits on guide signs.
Ohio Turnpike:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi837.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz298%2Fmidamcrossrds%2F100_4799_zps3261e6ab.jpg&hash=3c7de9b3be224d8bb72d261dd0025c19600dc270) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4799_zps3261e6ab.jpg.html)
I-88 west at Rochelle, IL:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi837.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz298%2Fmidamcrossrds%2F100_1412.jpg&hash=fea33f1387a5b404f39fa83304a578f63773489f) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_1412.jpg.html)
Minnesota has a few 2-mile advance signs as well outside the Twin Cities, though MnDOT's preference is for the 1-mile advance sign. I also know of at least one 1 1/4-mile advance sign (NB 35 for the MN 19 exit), though this type of situation is due to topography or other reasons why a normal 1-mile sign cannot be used.
NY does too. These come to mind:
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Quote from: dfwmapper on September 30, 2014, 03:42:16 AM
Quote from: cl94 on September 29, 2014, 11:38:29 PM
Pennsylvania's love of 2 mile advance signs, unheard of anywhere else I've been.
Arizona is quite fond of them for major road junctions in rural areas.
http://goo.gl/maps/PBkAn
http://goo.gl/maps/B168J
http://goo.gl/maps/Eches
http://goo.gl/maps/5LgyK
http://goo.gl/maps/t7TSw
Yup, Florida's Turnpike as well - 2 Miles, then 1 Mile, then 1/2 Mile...when some exits are over 40 miles apart, it's not a bad idea.
Some I-95 exits are also 10-15 miles apart, so they also get 2 Mile approach BGSes.
Off the top of my head I can think of one 2-mile advance sign in Virginia for an exit in Maryland. Not saying there aren't others, this one just comes to mind immediately.
Every time I see this sign I think it reads sort of like the old name of Reagan Airport: "Washington National Harbor," as opposed to "Washington" the city and "National Harbor" the development in PG County.
(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/virginia095/i-095_nb_exit_177_04.jpg)
This two mile advance sign here in Huntsville, AL comes to mind:
http://goo.gl/maps/phbX1
Quote from: cl94 on September 29, 2014, 11:38:29 PM
Pennsylvania's love of 2 mile advance signs, unheard of anywhere else I've been.
Although I didn't see any standard/guidance/option text to support one way or the other, several examples in the MUTCD show advance guide signs at 1-mile and 2-mile location (there are also 1-mile and 1/2-mile examples as well, although these appear to be more urban situations).
In general, Massachusetts practice has been to use 2 mile - 1 mile - 1/2 mile advance signing for major (freeway to freeway) interchanges, and 1 mile - 1/2 mile (or 3/4 mile - 1/4 mile) advance signing for all other interchanges. The exception is the Massacusetts Turnpike between West Stockbridge and Weston, where 2 mile - 1 mile - 1/2 mile advance signing is used for all interchanges.
These tretaments are not specifically mandated in the MUTCD, but are strongly implied by the language and figures in the various guide signing sections.
Quote from: roadman on September 30, 2014, 03:17:53 PM
Massachusetts practice has been to use 2 mile - 1 mile - 1/2 mile advance signing for major (freeway to freeway) interchanges, and 1 mile - 1/2 mile (or 3/4 mile - 1/4 mile) advance signing for all other interchanges. These tretaments are not specifically mandated in the MUTCD, but are strongly implied by the language and figures in the various guide signing sections.
AFAIK all the interchanges on the Turnpike west of I-95 are advance-signed at two miles, one mile and one-half mile.
Massachusetts:
"Thickly settled"
"Dangerous SLOW Intersection", "Children SLOW Crossing", and similar
New York:
"State Speed Limit 55"
Quote from: SidS1045 on September 30, 2014, 04:05:51 PM
AFAIK all the interchanges on the Turnpike west of I-95 are advance-signed at two miles, one mile and one-half mile.
Correct - I've updated my original post.
CT liked to have exit tabs without borders.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2899/14231320312_7091f96f50_z.jpg)
or
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2910/14232232235_2bbf620661_z.jpg)
for a few years (2009-2011 or so) they were doing right/left alligned exit tabs without borders and they looked really sharp.
Now, with all the new signing contracts, the exit tabs have borders and look like any other state.
Looks like that Scott Road sign hasn't been replaced since I first started riding I-84 with my parents in the late 1960s.
Quote from: doofy103 on September 30, 2014, 04:23:14 PM
CT liked to have exit tabs without borders.
I seem to vaguely recall that the 1971 California exit tab experiment also lacked borders. I'll pay close attention the next time I drive through there.
Quote from: doofy103 on September 30, 2014, 04:23:14 PM
CT liked to have exit tabs without borders.
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for a few years (2009-2011 or so) they were doing right/left alligned exit tabs without borders and they looked really sharp.
Now, with all the new signing contracts, the exit tabs have borders and look like any other state.
Found one of the ones you were talking about while heading down to CT. It struck me as looking really nice.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3845435,-73.5606782,3a,90y,93.65h,75.61t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1svq0DYLBeXmjn6iAwykCBqA!2e0 (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3845435,-73.5606782,3a,90y,93.65h,75.61t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1svq0DYLBeXmjn6iAwykCBqA!2e0)
Doesn't VDOT's Richmond district have a habit of placing shields on black background unisigns? I know they did in the past, but not sure if they still do.
Not as much anymore. Most of the I-95 ones have been replaced with regular cutouts. Independent cities still do them from time to time though.
Many independent cities in Virginia do their own thing when it comes to signage. Richmond, Suffolk, Newport News and Williamsburg all have their own styles of unisigns. Williamsburg and NN are very similar, using the 1950s-style specs on a colored background (NN is dark grey, Williamsburg is dark green). Richmond has its distinct unisigns (which I actually like, although I'm in the minority), and Suffolk's new signage is just awful.
NN unisign:
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Williamsburg unisign:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tNlrwCjgPJY/UOM6E4cRIrI/AAAAAAAAFLc/8rs7UrGVaV8/s640/IMG_0758.JPG)
Similar to the original post, here's a "Junction" sign at WA-7 and WA-704:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F2SI6aSQ.png&hash=7c399462a3b3ce7224ecf8a725ffada5eb113e01)
^^ Illinois uses a very similar sign for junctions downstate.
In New Hampshire, if you are on US 202, junctioning NH 12 (for example), you might see JCT {202} [12], even though you are already on 202.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 30, 2014, 05:42:39 PM
Quote from: doofy103 on September 30, 2014, 04:23:14 PM
CT liked to have exit tabs without borders.
I seem to vaguely recall that the 1971 California exit tab experiment also lacked borders. I'll pay close attention the next time I drive through there.
It looks like the 1971 California ones did have borders...
(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images010/i-010_eb_exit_022_04.jpg)
A couple other local/regional VDOT quirks:
-the Mecklenburg/Brunswick area had a lot of shields that used Series B last time I was out that way. US routes, state routes, I-85...all over the place.
-in the Glenns/Saluda/Urbanna area 3-digit state routes were signed with 2-digit shields with Series B. It looked quite nice in those examples.
A couple NYSDOT/NYSTA oddities:
-Until very recently, 3DI shields were Series D. Except in a few other northeastern states, the standard is Series C (or B if you're Ohio, but that just looks weird).
-NYSTA uses blue on white tenth-mile markers that are the size of a shoulder marker instead of the standard green-on-while tenth mile markers
-Until very recently, each NYSDOT region had a different format for tenth-mile markers. R8, for example, used small green markers, while R1 used full-size markers with the decimal in green-on-white. All now use the MUTCD-standard enhanced location marker.
-NYSDOT roads have reference markers providing location information every 1/10. Vermont has a nearly-identical system, but I know of no other states with a system as precise.
-BGSes have rounded corners and exit tabs do not overlap the curved portion of a sign (like what is seen here (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7673867,-73.7621143,3a,46.2y,183.41h,93.84t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1spMr7fONSUSDePQ2g5yAv6Q!2e0)).
-Rest and parking areas are signed as "Text Stops", as are some Thruway service areas
Quote from: cl94 on December 22, 2014, 08:13:07 PM
-NYSTA uses blue on white tenth-mile markers that are the size of a shoulder marker instead of the standard green-on-while tenth mile markers
-Until very recently, each NYSDOT region had a different format for tenth-mile markers. R8, for example, used small green markers, while R1 used full-size markers with the decimal in green-on-white. All now use the MUTCD-standard enhanced location marker.
Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana, and Ohio use blue tenth or two-tenth mile markers that are more abbreviated versions of the MUTCD-standard enhanced location markers, but the newer installations in these states are the blue MUTCD-standard enhanced markers.
Quote from: cl94 on December 22, 2014, 08:13:07 PM
-NYSDOT roads have reference markers providing location information every 1/10. Vermont has a nearly-identical system, but I know of no other states with a system as precise.
Doesn't Mass give mileage to the nearest thousandth?
Quote from: codyg1985 on December 22, 2014, 08:19:13 PM
Quote from: cl94 on December 22, 2014, 08:13:07 PM
-NYSTA uses blue on white tenth-mile markers that are the size of a shoulder marker instead of the standard green-on-while tenth mile markers
-Until very recently, each NYSDOT region had a different format for tenth-mile markers. R8, for example, used small green markers, while R1 used full-size markers with the decimal in green-on-white. All now use the MUTCD-standard enhanced location marker.
Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana, and Ohio use blue tenth or two-tenth mile markers that are more abbreviated versions of the MUTCD-standard enhanced location markers, but the newer installations in these states are the blue MUTCD-standard enhanced markers.
Puerto Rico uses hectometer (100 meters or one tenth of a kilometer) markers on most of its roads. These are used for addressing purposes on the island, as most streets in Puerto Rico are not named.
Quote from: Takumi on December 22, 2014, 06:59:33 PM
A couple other local/regional VDOT quirks:
-the Mecklenburg/Brunswick area had a lot of shields that used Series B last time I was out that way. US routes, state routes, I-85...all over the place.
-in the Glenns/Saluda/Urbanna area 3-digit state routes were signed with 2-digit shields with Series B. It looked quite nice in those examples.
These sorts of practices are District-wide in Virginia. District 6 had almost exclusively 2-digit shields for 3-digit routes when I moved here in 1995. Now some 3-digit wide shields are starting to crop up in sign replacements, especially in King George County area.
Full unisigns were a District 4 thing (were also a District 2 thing way back). Mini unisigns are cropping up all over District 8.
There are many other kinds of examples of District-specific practices.
Independent Cities do their own thing regardless of District location.
Mapmikey
Quote from: cl94 on December 22, 2014, 08:13:07 PM
A couple NYSDOT/NYSTA oddities:
-Until very recently, 3DI shields were Series D. Except in a few other northeastern states, the standard is Series C (or B if you're Ohio, but that just looks weird).
-NYSTA uses blue on white tenth-mile markers that are the size of a shoulder marker instead of the standard green-on-while tenth mile markers
-Until very recently, each NYSDOT region had a different format for tenth-mile markers. R8, for example, used small green markers, while R1 used full-size markers with the decimal in green-on-white. All now use the MUTCD-standard enhanced location marker.
I honestly wish NYSDOT didn't switch on these. The series D shields look MUCH better than the series C ones, as do R1's green and white tenth mile markers. They should leave the mile markers alone. As much as I like the regular-sized (NOT enhanced) tenth mile markers, they make me feel like I'm in Vermont.
R1 has not adopted the enhanced reference markers for anything but the Northway, and only for full miles, not tenths.
Quote from: NE2 on December 22, 2014, 08:46:45 PM
Doesn't Mass give mileage to the nearest thousandth?
Holy crap, took me long enough to find:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fma%2Fma_187%2Fn.jpg&hash=25cb79a45ef602bf71db75cc4cdcf78319ef6541)
from http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ma/ma_187/
Quote from: Mapmikey on December 22, 2014, 09:07:47 PM
Quote from: Takumi on December 22, 2014, 06:59:33 PM
A couple other local/regional VDOT quirks:
-the Mecklenburg/Brunswick area had a lot of shields that used Series B last time I was out that way. US routes, state routes, I-85...all over the place.
-in the Glenns/Saluda/Urbanna area 3-digit state routes were signed with 2-digit shields with Series B. It looked quite nice in those examples.
These sorts of practices are District-wide in Virginia. District 6 had almost exclusively 2-digit shields for 3-digit routes when I moved here in 1995. Now some 3-digit wide shields are starting to crop up in sign replacements, especially in King George County area.
Full unisigns were a District 4 thing (were also a District 2 thing way back). Mini unisigns are cropping up all over District 8.
There are many other kinds of examples of District-specific practices.
Independent Cities do their own thing regardless of District location.
Mapmikey
I know different districts in Virginia also use different types of variable message signs. The Hampton Roads district uses fixed row VMS, while the Richmond district uses full matrix. Occasionally you will see a VMS in the Richmond district display the message "VDOT Sign Test", while you never see such messages in the Hampton Roads district signs.
Quote from: NE2 on December 22, 2014, 09:16:34 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 22, 2014, 08:46:45 PM
Doesn't Mass give mileage to the nearest thousandth?
Holy crap, took me long enough to find:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fma%2Fma_187%2Fn.jpg&hash=25cb79a45ef602bf71db75cc4cdcf78319ef6541)
from http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ma/ma_187/
Those weren't posted everywhere though--mostly they were posted roughly early 90s/late 80s and were on bridges and other reference locations, not like the 2/10 markers that are all over the place like today. They have started to disappear and some are outdated (like the marker on an underpass in the interchange on what used to be independent MA 128 after I-95 exited on its own Exit 44B before the connection through Peabody opened; it reads 0.314 or something if I recall and is still there.)
Conventional Mass. milemarkers are the 2/10 variety like everywhere else.
Quote from: Pink Jazz on December 22, 2014, 09:17:29 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on December 22, 2014, 09:07:47 PM
Quote from: Takumi on December 22, 2014, 06:59:33 PM
A couple other local/regional VDOT quirks:
-the Mecklenburg/Brunswick area had a lot of shields that used Series B last time I was out that way. US routes, state routes, I-85...all over the place.
-in the Glenns/Saluda/Urbanna area 3-digit state routes were signed with 2-digit shields with Series B. It looked quite nice in those examples.
These sorts of practices are District-wide in Virginia. District 6 had almost exclusively 2-digit shields for 3-digit routes when I moved here in 1995. Now some 3-digit wide shields are starting to crop up in sign replacements, especially in King George County area.
Full unisigns were a District 4 thing (were also a District 2 thing way back). Mini unisigns are cropping up all over District 8.
There are many other kinds of examples of District-specific practices.
Independent Cities do their own thing regardless of District location.
Mapmikey
I know different districts in Virginia also use different types of variable message signs. The Hampton Roads district uses fixed row VMS, while the Richmond district uses full matrix. Occasionally you will see a VMS in the Richmond district display the message "VDOT Sign Test", while you never see such messages in the Hampton Roads district signs.
Alabama has different VMS styles in their cities, and even within cities. Birmingham and Tuscaloosa use fixed row VMSs mounted over the travel lanes, while the recent installations in Montgomery are color, full matrix VMSs mounted on the right side of the travel lanes. Mobile has fixed row VMSs, and most of them are mounted over the travel lanes, but there is one that is mounted on the right side of the travel lanes (on I-10 east approaching the I-65 interchange).
Quote from: Mapmikey on December 22, 2014, 09:07:47 PM
Quote from: Takumi on December 22, 2014, 06:59:33 PM
A couple other local/regional VDOT quirks:
-the Mecklenburg/Brunswick area had a lot of shields that used Series B last time I was out that way. US routes, state routes, I-85...all over the place.
-in the Glenns/Saluda/Urbanna area 3-digit state routes were signed with 2-digit shields with Series B. It looked quite nice in those examples.
These sorts of practices are District-wide in Virginia. District 6 had almost exclusively 2-digit shields for 3-digit routes when I moved here in 1995. Now some 3-digit wide shields are starting to crop up in sign replacements, especially in King George County area.
Interesting. I vaguely remember some 2-digit shields for 3-digit routes somewhere in Spotsylvania County, but I can't remember when.
The Brunswick/Mecklenburg Series B shields, from what I could tell, were in the territory of VDOT's South Hill residency. They stretched from the Alberta area to at least Boydton, and all looked to be somewhat old.
Quote from: jakeroot on December 22, 2014, 05:24:51 PM
Similar to the original post, here's a "Junction" sign at WA-7 and WA-704:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F2SI6aSQ.png&hash=7c399462a3b3ce7224ecf8a725ffada5eb113e01)
New Hampshire also has a ton of these signs...
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In this, you can also see how NHDOT places the suffix of a suffixed route number under the numerals themselves on their route shields, which is something I've only seen done in New Hampshire.
Quote from: PurdueBill on December 22, 2014, 10:39:34 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 22, 2014, 09:16:34 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 22, 2014, 08:46:45 PM
Doesn't Mass give mileage to the nearest thousandth?
Holy crap, took me long enough to find:
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from http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ma/ma_187/
Those weren't posted everywhere though--mostly they were posted roughly early 90s/late 80s and were on bridges and other reference locations, not like the 2/10 markers that are all over the place like today. They have started to disappear and some are outdated (like the marker on an underpass in the interchange on what used to be independent MA 128 after I-95 exited on its own Exit 44B before the connection through Peabody opened; it reads 0.314 or something if I recall and is still there.)
Conventional Mass. milemarkers are the 2/10 variety like everywhere else.
On their bridge crossing markers, NJ goes to the hundredth:
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(with bonus superseded state highway route marker, since this is along US 322.)
Quote from: cl94 on September 29, 2014, 11:38:29 PM
Ohio's slanted arrows to indicate option lanes stopped within the past 3 years, after the 2009 MUTCD explicitly banned downward slanting arrows.
No, that practice has not stopped in Ohio.
Quote from: Ian on December 23, 2014, 11:37:43 AM
In this, you can also see how NHDOT places the suffix of a suffixed route number under the numerals themselves on their route shields, which is something I've only seen done in New Hampshire.
Virginia does this with the Y routes that are posted in full shields:
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Oddly, T routes used to have the T at the top side of the circle:
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Mapmikey
Quote from: 1 on December 22, 2014, 05:56:49 PM
In New Hampshire, if you are on US 202, junctioning NH 12 (for example), you might see JCT {202} [12], even though you are already on 202.
IDOT does that as well.
Gibson City: https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=40.425519,-88.336258&spn=0.311534,0.676346&cbll=40.45687,-88.377447&layer=c&panoid=dVpz50oCXLikZ8VTL9EfDg&cbp=12,131.39,,1,-3.28&t=m&z=11
Note, you are on IL-47, IL-54, and IL-9 at this point.
Quote from: codyg1985 on December 22, 2014, 08:19:13 PM
Quote from: cl94 on December 22, 2014, 08:13:07 PM
-NYSTA uses blue on white tenth-mile markers that are the size of a shoulder marker instead of the standard green-on-while tenth mile markers
-Until very recently, each NYSDOT region had a different format for tenth-mile markers. R8, for example, used small green markers, while R1 used full-size markers with the decimal in green-on-white. All now use the MUTCD-standard enhanced location marker.
Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana, and Ohio use blue tenth or two-tenth mile markers that are more abbreviated versions of the MUTCD-standard enhanced location markers, but the newer installations in these states are the blue MUTCD-standard enhanced markers.
ISTHA uses 1/4 mile markers. Granted, they're also the enhanced style of mile marker.
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IDOT District 1 (Chicagoland) used to use their own style of mile marker down to the hundredths of a mile, slapped on every or every-other light pole.
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Quote from: Mapmikey on December 22, 2014, 09:07:47 PM
Quote from: Takumi on December 22, 2014, 06:59:33 PM
A couple other local/regional VDOT quirks:
-the Mecklenburg/Brunswick area had a lot of shields that used Series B last time I was out that way. US routes, state routes, I-85...all over the place.
-in the Glenns/Saluda/Urbanna area 3-digit state routes were signed with 2-digit shields with Series B. It looked quite nice in those examples.
These sorts of practices are District-wide in Virginia. District 6 had almost exclusively 2-digit shields for 3-digit routes when I moved here in 1995. Now some 3-digit wide shields are starting to crop up in sign replacements, especially in King George County area.
Full unisigns were a District 4 thing (were also a District 2 thing way back). Mini unisigns are cropping up all over District 8.
There are many other kinds of examples of District-specific practices.
Independent Cities do their own thing regardless of District location.
Mapmikey
I've noticed that, as well. Not sure which VDOT district is which, but, have seen these quirks...
Northern VA (Pr. William, Fairfax, Loudon, Arlington): Use of 2-digit shield blanks for a good number of years for 3-digit routes. Still is done to some extent; only district with use of cutaway visors for the vast majority of traffic signals
Staunton District: Extensive use of yellow poles, use of mini-rectangles in some areas for secondary routes.
Culpeper District: Some new unisigns with mini shields (like the ones in the Staunton district) are popping up, replacing mini-shields. Saw one a few days ago approaching VA-28 in rural Fauquier County.
Lynchburg District: Use of "Left on Green Arrow Only" signs next to protected left turn signals, as opposed to "Left Turn Signal" (or no signage).
Is there a reason why these and other practices are not standardized by Richmond?
If VDOT is like NYSDOT, it's because the regional offices just go and do their own thing regardless of what the main office says.
Quote from: vdeane on December 23, 2014, 04:19:03 PM
If VDOT is like NYSDOT, it's because the regional offices just go and do their own thing regardless of what the main office says.
Sounds like IDOT. Screw Springfield, we'll do our own damned thing!
Quote from: vtk on December 23, 2014, 12:09:52 PM
Quote from: cl94 on September 29, 2014, 11:38:29 PM
Ohio's slanted arrows to indicate option lanes stopped within the past 3 years, after the 2009 MUTCD explicitly banned downward slanting arrows.
No, that practice has not stopped in Ohio.
Indeed the music may have stopped but the arrows continue to dance. Dancing arrows have been recently appeared on I-70 on Clearview carbon copies of only 10-year-old reflective-copy (not even button copy) signage at OH 4's departure--although admittedly the previous signs had the arrows dancing way too far. Other new signs also have dancing arrows too.
Diagrammatic signage with stippled arrows (e.g., OH 8 approaching the Turnpike) has also appeared relatively recently).
Quote from: dfnva
Lynchburg District: Use of "Left on Green Arrow Only" signs next to protected left turn signals, as opposed to "Left Turn Signal" (or no signage).
Around Richmond and Hampton Roads it's almost always no signage, from what I've seen. The only "Left Turn Signal" sign I know of is in the Williamsburg area.
Quote from: dfnva on December 23, 2014, 04:14:54 PM
Lynchburg District: Use of "Left on Green Arrow Only" signs next to protected left turn signals, as opposed to "Left Turn Signal" (or no signage).
NJ uses Left on Green Arrow Only as well.
For a long while, there was one protected left turn intersection where the sign read "Left on Arrow Only". So if I have a red arrow, I can still turn, correct? :D
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 24, 2014, 09:18:41 AM
Quote from: dfnva on December 23, 2014, 04:14:54 PM
Lynchburg District: Use of "Left on Green Arrow Only" signs next to protected left turn signals, as opposed to "Left Turn Signal" (or no signage).
NJ uses Left on Green Arrow Only as well.
As does Illinois (some older installations still use "Left Turn Signal").
Surprised that no one has yet mentioned the "paddle" signs in Massachusetts.
What they looked like until maybe 15-20 years ago:
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(with the old Massachusetts font on the upper sign)
What they look like now:
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What they used to look like, probably about 30 years ago:
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Our city/town lines are often marked by a "bookleaf" sign.
An older example (current bookleaf signs are flat on the bottom):
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(All signs from alpsroads.net.)
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 24, 2014, 09:18:41 AM
Quote from: dfnva on December 23, 2014, 04:14:54 PM
Lynchburg District: Use of "Left on Green Arrow Only" signs next to protected left turn signals, as opposed to "Left Turn Signal" (or no signage).
NJ uses Left on Green Arrow Only as well.
For a long while, there was one protected left turn intersection where the sign read "Left on Arrow Only". So if I have a red arrow, I can still turn, correct? :D
Indiana commonly uses "Left on Arrow Only," but nearly all signals use red and yellow balls. You won't get an arrow unless it's OK to proceed.
Quote from: dfnva on December 23, 2014, 04:14:54 PM
Lynchburg District: Use of "Left on Green Arrow Only" signs next to protected left turn signals, as opposed to "Left Turn Signal" (or no signage).
Do they still use the flashing 'LEFT TURN MUST YIELD' signs?
California's "internal tab" format for exit tabs is pretty unusual as is, but the version of it along the Golden Gate Bridge southbound as installed a year or two ago by the Golden Gate Bridge Highway & Transportation District is a new twist:
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^^ Looks like Washington, IDOT, or old school Utah.
Minnesota has ACCELERATION LANE ENDS and RIGHT/LEFT ACCELERATION LANE in a warning sign format. They also have BYPASS LANE and BYPASS & TURN LANE for shoulder lanes that allow passing of left-turning vehicles at T and crossroad intersections respectively.
Texas has GUARDRAIL DAMAGE ahead for damages guardrails.
Quote from: codyg1985 on December 27, 2014, 01:14:37 PM
Texas has GUARDRAIL DAMAGE ahead for damages guardrails.
Is it April Fools' Day?
Quote from: Tom958 on December 27, 2014, 03:17:37 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on December 27, 2014, 01:14:37 PM
Texas has GUARDRAIL DAMAGE ahead for damages guardrails.
Is it April Fools' Day?
No, TxDOT seriously does that.
I don't know how quickly it is to get guardrail repaired in Texas, or if it's done by contractors or by state forces, but in Kentucky there's often a delay in getting damaged guardrail repaired because it's generally done by contractors. Kentucky usually puts some barrels or cones next to the damaged guardrail if there's room on the shoulder. Putting up a sign to temporarily alert drivers to the damage is pretty easily done, as well.
Quote from: Brandon on December 27, 2014, 07:00:36 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on December 27, 2014, 03:17:37 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on December 27, 2014, 01:14:37 PM
Texas has GUARDRAIL DAMAGE ahead for damages guardrails.
Is it April Fools' Day?
No, TxDOT seriously does that.
Why not just fix the guardrail? In Connecticut, state police radio in what type of guardrail and the length that is damaged. They've also parked a trooper at a damaged guardrail spot until DOT fixes it which is usually in short order to free up said state trooper.
Quote from: connroadgeek on December 27, 2014, 09:37:44 PM
Quote from: Brandon on December 27, 2014, 07:00:36 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on December 27, 2014, 03:17:37 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on December 27, 2014, 01:14:37 PM
Texas has GUARDRAIL DAMAGE ahead for damages guardrails.
Is it April Fools' Day?
No, TxDOT seriously does that.
Why not just fix the guardrail? In Connecticut, state police radio in what type of guardrail and the length that is damaged. They've also parked a trooper at a damaged guardrail spot until DOT fixes it which is usually in short order to free up said state trooper.
WSDOT has a tendency to leave guardrails damaged for a few weeks, unless it's an end-piece. That said, I've seen guardrails go for months without being touched. The concept of putting a state trooper next to the damage is definitely unheard of in Washington.
Louisiana will put up ROUGH ROAD signs instead of fixing the damn road. :-/
Quote from: cjk374 on December 28, 2014, 11:15:29 AM
Louisiana will put up ROUGH ROAD signs instead of fixing the damn road. :-/
There are quite a few of those in NY. There's even one that got left behind on a recently resurfaced road.
Quote from: 1 on September 30, 2014, 04:12:11 PM
Massachusetts:
"Thickly settled"
"Dangerous SLOW Intersection", "Children SLOW Crossing", and similar
"Low Salt Area?"
Quote from: hbelkins on December 27, 2014, 09:08:09 PM
I don't know how quickly it is to get guardrail repaired in Texas, or if it's done by contractors or by state forces, but in Kentucky there's often a delay in getting damaged guardrail repaired because it's generally done by contractors. Kentucky usually puts some barrels or cones next to the damaged guardrail if there's room on the shoulder. Putting up a sign to temporarily alert drivers to the damage is pretty easily done, as well.
Maryland SHA and MdTA also put out the barrels if a guardrail has been damaged.
I think both rely on contractor forces to repair and replace them as well.
For many years Iowa included blue signs with the interchange number at JCT assemblies with Interstate highways. This example is along US 63, from 2010:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4153/5026944930_858508cf18.jpg)
There are still a handful left, but those have mostly been phased out within the last five years as BGS have replaced assemblies and distance signs along interchanges. Here's the same spot, in 2011:
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Not sure if this counts, but Arizona now puts the exit number on a tab on all of its new logo signs (including all of the new Phoenix area urban logo signs), while most other states only use exit tabs for logo signs containing more than one service type. The tab is larger than standard, spanning the entire sign on vertical orientation signs.
Also, on most New Mexico logo signs that contain a single service type, the service type is aligned to the upper left, while the exit number is aligned to the upper right, with a large space between them. Most other states have the service type and exit number center aligned with a dash between them.
How many states use Caltrans-style FREEWAY ENTRANCE assemblies?
If there was one mandatory change that I would impose on all freeways in all parts of the United States, it is the use of these assemblies at all entrance ramps.
(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images210/i-210_fwy_entr_san_dimas.jpg)
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 28, 2014, 07:35:06 PM
How many states use Caltrans-style FREEWAY ENTRANCE assemblies?
If there was one mandatory change that I would impose on all freeways in all parts of the United States, it is the use of these assemblies at all entrance ramps.
(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images210/i-210_fwy_entr_san_dimas.jpg)
Arizona only uses them in Yuma County (I-8) & Mohave County (I-40)
I seen them in Nevada on I-80 In Reno-Sparks
Some New York counties use them Instead of Freeway Entrance "Parkway Entrance"
Is FREEWAY ENTRANCE really all that helpful? I've only traveled in states with MUTCD-standard freeway ramp signage and haven't really had an issue finding ramps.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 28, 2014, 08:04:10 PM
Is FREEWAY ENTRANCE really all that helpful? I've only traveled in states with MUTCD-standard freeway ramp signage and haven't really had an issue finding ramps.
I believe the rationale is that, at interchanges where multiple ramps connect a freeway to a surface street, the "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" signs make it just that much more obvious which ramps are the entrances...and therefore reduce the likelihood of a wrong-way collision. I know it's strictly anecdotal, but the niece of a business associate of mine was killed a few months ago by a wrong-way drunk driver on I-215 in Las Vegas–and Nevada does use California-style FREEWAY ENTRANCE signs.
Beyond that, I think CalTrans's insistence on unnecessarily signing "FREEWAY" is not only useless, it's counterproductive. Excepting the few abnormalities that we all know (I-180 in WY, etc.) an Interstate is always a freeway, so signing "I-10 FREEWAY" just clutters signs. Even for other classes of numbered highways, does it matter? If a motorist sees a sign for "CA 118 FREEWAY" , is he going to avoid it because he only uses roads that feature driveways and cross traffic?
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 28, 2014, 07:35:06 PM
How many states use Caltrans-style FREEWAY ENTRANCE assemblies?
If there was one mandatory change that I would impose on all freeways in all parts of the United States, it is the use of these assemblies at all entrance ramps.
NMDOT District 3 (Albuquerque) now uses them; not sure about the rest of the state. I recently went to Albuquerque to see my brother and I noticed them when I visited. I don't remember them being there when I lived there, so they probably have had to have been installed in 2011 or later.
Quote from: briantroutman on December 28, 2014, 08:39:34 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 28, 2014, 08:04:10 PM
Is FREEWAY ENTRANCE really all that helpful? I've only traveled in states with MUTCD-standard freeway ramp signage and haven't really had an issue finding ramps.
I believe the rationale is that, at interchanges where multiple ramps connect a freeway to a surface street, the "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" signs make it just that much more obvious which ramps are the entrances...and therefore reduce the likelihood of a wrong-way collision. I know it's strictly anecdotal, but the niece of a business associate of mine was killed a few months ago by a wrong-way drunk driver on I-215 in Las Vegas–and Nevada does use California-style FREEWAY ENTRANCE signs.
Especially at night, I think these assemblies are useful, especially for older drivers that have vision good enough to drive.
Are they perfect? No,
absolutely not, especially not when drunk/drugged/stoned drivers are on the road.
Quote from: briantroutman on December 28, 2014, 08:39:34 PM
Beyond that, I think CalTrans's insistence on unnecessarily signing "FREEWAY" is not only useless, it's counterproductive. Excepting the few abnormalities that we all know (I-180 in WY, etc.) an Interstate is always a freeway, so signing "I-10 FREEWAY" just clutters signs. Even for other classes of numbered highways, does it matter? If a motorist sees a sign for "CA 118 FREEWAY" , is he going to avoid it because he only uses roads that feature driveways and cross traffic?
As for the FREEWAY ENTRANCE panels, perhaps they are not as essential on Interstates, (though not everyone knows such things, even though everyone here on AAROADS probably does), but on state and U.S. highways, they are more important. In most states, there are freeways with U.S. and state route numbers.
It's a double-edged sword. Wording should be minimized, as more words mean less attention paid toward the road. That being said, there needs to be a way for one to easily determine what is a freeway entrance. I think a symbol sign would be most effective due to the reduced perception time. California's signage package is unnecessary at all interchanges, as certain entrance ramps (Interstates, etc) are obviously freeways.
New York uses an "entrance" banner above the route shield in a few locations, mainly (if not exclusively) on service roads on Long Island. As the service road typically shares a name with the expressway it serves, it reinforces that one must exit the service road in order to access the actual numbered freeway. Such a sign has one less word and work well in instances where "expressway/freeway" is not clearly stated at an entrance ramp and the freeway is not an Interstate or the entrance is a slip ramp.
This past week I noted Florida's use of pavement markings reading "MERGE" followed by an arrow pointing to the lane into which you're supposed to merge. While it's common to have an arrow when a lane is ending, I can't recall having seen another state or province where the word "MERGE" is routinely applied to the pavement in conjunction with the arrow every time a lane ends.
I also found it a bit odd how they had pavement markings consisting of "straight-ahead" arrows on loop ramps, such as the cloverleaf loop from northbound I-95 to the westbound Bee Line or the loop from southbound I-95 to Stadium Parkway/Fiske Boulevard (I believe Exit 195). I don't recall seeing those sorts of arrows elsewhere and they always strike me as useless because there's no other way you can go! If the goal is to try to guard against wrong-way drivers, surely there's a better way than a pavement marking consisting of an arrow on a ramp with a bunch of bumpy reflectors around it.
Washington uses "Freeway Entrance" signs at all ramps (only maybe a dozen ramps across the state don't have them). Here's a good example of a recent installation at the exit from a roundabout. The three-piece route indicator isn't very common (typically, they're of the uni-sign type) and the arrow on the "Freeway Entrance" sign itself is a recent modification, seen most often in King County (Seattle metro area):
EDIT: I do believe the route indicator sign is more of the California type, given that the cardinal direction is located below the shield. Unless this is more common than I thought?
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Quote from: Scott5114 on December 28, 2014, 08:04:10 PM
Is FREEWAY ENTRANCE really all that helpful? I've only traveled in states with MUTCD-standard freeway ramp signage and haven't really had an issue finding ramps.
Furthermore, why does the arrow point down?
Quote from: 6a on December 29, 2014, 01:22:26 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 28, 2014, 08:04:10 PM
Is FREEWAY ENTRANCE really all that helpful? I've only traveled in states with MUTCD-standard freeway ramp signage and haven't really had an issue finding ramps.
Furthermore, why does the arrow point down?
The downward sloping arrow basically indicates "it's right here". As opposed to using a left or right arrow, which could mean that the entrance is some distance in the indicated direction.
Quote from: roadfro on December 29, 2014, 04:24:37 AM
The downward sloping arrow basically indicates "it's right here". As opposed to using a left or right arrow, which could mean that the entrance is some distance in the indicated direction.
Or an advance turn arrow, which could mean anything from "it's right here" to "it's in a half mile". Fuck arrow misuse.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 28, 2014, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on December 28, 2014, 08:39:34 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 28, 2014, 08:04:10 PM
Is FREEWAY ENTRANCE really all that helpful? I've only traveled in states with MUTCD-standard freeway ramp signage and haven't really had an issue finding ramps.
I believe the rationale is that, at interchanges where multiple ramps connect a freeway to a surface street, the "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" signs make it just that much more obvious which ramps are the entrances...and therefore reduce the likelihood of a wrong-way collision. I know it's strictly anecdotal, but the niece of a business associate of mine was killed a few months ago by a wrong-way drunk driver on I-215 in Las Vegas–and Nevada does use California-style FREEWAY ENTRANCE signs.
Especially at night, I think these assemblies are useful, especially for older drivers that have vision good enough to drive.
Are they perfect? No, absolutely not, especially not when drunk/drugged/stoned drivers are on the road.
Quote from: briantroutman on December 28, 2014, 08:39:34 PM
Beyond that, I think CalTrans's insistence on unnecessarily signing "FREEWAY" is not only useless, it's counterproductive. Excepting the few abnormalities that we all know (I-180 in WY, etc.) an Interstate is always a freeway, so signing "I-10 FREEWAY" just clutters signs. Even for other classes of numbered highways, does it matter? If a motorist sees a sign for "CA 118 FREEWAY" , is he going to avoid it because he only uses roads that feature driveways and cross traffic?
As for the FREEWAY ENTRANCE panels, perhaps they are not as essential on Interstates, (though not everyone knows such things, even though everyone here on AAROADS probably does), but on state and U.S. highways, they are more important. In most states, there are freeways with U.S. and state route numbers.
I believe I've said this earlier, but the real use for this type of sign are for wierd and/or surprise on-ramps to let people know, hey I'm on the freeway now.
Take a look:
http://goo.gl/maps/37DqL
This is the corner of Overland and National in Western Los Angeles. Both are pretty important thoroughfares. To continue east on National Blvd, you have to make a right on Overland and then a left at the southern National Blvd / National Pl. For those unfamiliar, they may believe that they can just continue straight down National. But that leads right to a freeway on-ramp. The freeway entrance sign at least gives those people a warning that they are on the freeway now.
Quote from: iowahighways on December 28, 2014, 04:43:41 PM
There are still a handful left, but those have mostly been phased out within the last five years as BGS have replaced assemblies and distance signs along interchanges. Here's the same spot, in 2011:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4079/4940361192_6b3af21452.jpg)
TxDOT Atlanta District has been doing JUNCTION BGS assemblies such as that one that for every junction with a state-maintained road on major non-freeway routes, even FM roads.
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 28, 2014, 10:04:06 PM
This past week I noted Florida's use of pavement markings reading "MERGE" followed by an arrow pointing to the lane into which you're supposed to merge. While it's common to have an arrow when a lane is ending, I can't recall having seen another state or province where the word "MERGE" is routinely applied to the pavement in conjunction with the arrow every time a lane ends.
Alabama does this a lot, too.
Back on the Freeway Entrance signs subject, they're not very common in Oregon (I can't think of any off the top of my head except this, though I'm sure there are a handful), but I noticed this one the other day, along I-84 in Portland. https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5297076,-122.6001602,3a,26.3y,49.32h,89.36t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sYzY3-w9Tog7ayhQFnXhk-w!2e0
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FUQ4rTxZ.png&hash=c7d74f4437856de572fead078776847dc647d598)
This one especially makes sense because it's along a (essentially) frontage road that parallels the freeway.
Orlando/Orange County, FL places signs that say
RED LIGHT RUNNING $262.00 FINE instead of the usual advisory traffic light ahead before most of the traffic lights in the county.
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.412567,-81.475775,3a,15y,239.34h,89.18t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s3MNBTmRUglcjqRnok2e2_Q!2e0
If there is a red light camera, they use a variant of the sign indicating that:
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.559237,-81.207193,3a,15y,214h,87.51t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sI6YUEL3t8vRRLEwRUeWJtw!2e0
FDOT Districts 4 and 6 use these NEXT SIGNAL signs a lot on divided state roads and other major roads:
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/786/39022773720_ee0404c930_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/22siV6s)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4715/39474862915_d4132481e7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/239fZsK)
The only place that I've also seen them was in New Jersey; occasionally you find them in isolated spots here and there, but they're quite helpful so you know which lane to head towards when approaching an intersection (especially those without any shields).
Quote from: formulanone on January 19, 2015, 09:08:45 PM
FDOT Districts 4 and 6 use these NEXT SIGNAL signs a lot on divided state roads and other major roads:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F02%2FFL794e_T-RexSign.jpg&hash=f259fb602569a3035a57e12eb942a7b62f9c7dd9)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F11%2FKromeAvenueSign-US27s.jpg&hash=8a87941f3e8eaa7552f691f0f6f43551420262a4)
The only place that I've also seen them was in New Jersey; occasionally you find them in isolated spots here and there, but they're quite helpful so you know which lane to head towards when approaching an intersection (especially those without any shields).
I think New Mexico may require them on state highways; I know Coors Blvd (NM 45, previously NM 448 from St. Josephs Blvd north to Alameda Blvd) as well as Tramway Blvd (NM 556) in Albuquerque have them; while none of the city-maintained roads have them.
Quote from: codyg1985 on December 27, 2014, 01:14:37 PM
Texas has GUARDRAIL DAMAGE ahead for damages guardrails.
I've seen those in either Arkansas or Oklahoma.
Oklahoma likes to put "JCT" or "JUNCTION" on the green overhead signs.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7296/10531333845_3ae649e20b_b.jpg)
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8218/8293101116_43b70f42c9_b.jpg)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4015/4671626857_571cd5d219_b.jpg)
Quote from: bugo on January 19, 2015, 10:15:23 PM
Oklahoma likes to put "JCT" or "JUNCTION" on the green overhead signs.
NJDOT used to do that, but to my knowledge they have stopped.
Quote from: bugo on January 19, 2015, 10:15:23 PM
Oklahoma likes to put "JCT" or "JUNCTION" on the green overhead signs.
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New York will occasionally do that for Interstate-Interstate junctions or on an expressway approaching an Interstate. There are a couple examples near Albany and at least one more in Binghamton that immediately come to mind. Full word is almost always used.
Osceola Parkway in Kissimmee, FL with its own weird signage.
I will have to get back to you with a photo, but recently they removed an elongated shield for the WB Osc Parkway on SB Poinciana Boulevard and now there is just a Disney World guide sign with a WEST directional header above it reading WEST Disney World as if the theme park is the name of the road.
It is on the way to work, so until I go in later this week, I will have the photo to share. Its way too funny to see.
Anyway the Osceola Parkway has helvetica fonts to weird looking arrows to crazy purple guide signs that no one else uses.
Quote from: bugo on January 19, 2015, 10:15:23 PM
Oklahoma likes to put "JCT" or "JUNCTION" on the green overhead signs.
Arkansas does that sometimes, too.
Quote from: codyg1985 on January 20, 2015, 06:35:49 AM
Quote from: bugo on January 19, 2015, 10:15:23 PM
Oklahoma likes to put "JCT" or "JUNCTION" on the green overhead signs.
Arkansas does that sometimes, too.
As has ISTHA.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 19, 2015, 11:42:00 PM
Osceola Parkway in Kissimmee, FL with its own weird signage.
I will have to get back to you with a photo, but recently they removed an elongated shield for the WB Osc Parkway on SB Poinciana Boulevard and now there is just a Disney World guide sign with a WEST directional header above it reading WEST Disney World as if the theme park is the name of the road.
It is on the way to work, so until I go in later this week, I will have the photo to share. Its way too funny to see.
Anyway the Osceola Parkway has helvetica fonts to weird looking arrows to crazy purple guide signs that no one else uses.
the "crazy purple guide signs" are on Disney property and owned/maintained by Disney.
Quote from: odditude on January 20, 2015, 08:43:43 AM
the "crazy purple guide signs" are on Disney property and owned/maintained by Disney.
A real Mickey Mouse signing job, eh?
Quote from: roadman on January 20, 2015, 12:43:49 PM
Quote from: odditude on January 20, 2015, 08:43:43 AM
the "crazy purple guide signs" are on Disney property and owned/maintained by Disney.
A real Mickey Mouse signing job, eh?
Sounds pretty Goofy.
Quote from: Brandon on January 20, 2015, 01:45:56 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 20, 2015, 12:43:49 PM
Quote from: odditude on January 20, 2015, 08:43:43 AM
the "crazy purple guide signs" are on Disney property and owned/maintained by Disney.
A real Mickey Mouse signing job, eh?
Sounds pretty Goofy.
There are Minnie more where that came from.
Quote from: codyg1985 on January 20, 2015, 03:36:48 PM
Quote from: Brandon on January 20, 2015, 01:45:56 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 20, 2015, 12:43:49 PM
Quote from: odditude on January 20, 2015, 08:43:43 AM
the "crazy purple guide signs" are on Disney property and owned/maintained by Disney.
A real Mickey Mouse signing job, eh?
Sounds pretty Goofy.
There are Minnie more where that came from.
Those signs are ex-Scrooge-iating
Quote from: cl94 on January 20, 2015, 06:15:25 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on January 20, 2015, 03:36:48 PM
Quote from: Brandon on January 20, 2015, 01:45:56 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 20, 2015, 12:43:49 PM
Quote from: odditude on January 20, 2015, 08:43:43 AM
the "crazy purple guide signs" are on Disney property and owned/maintained by Disney.
A real Mickey Mouse signing job, eh?
Sounds pretty Goofy.
There are Minnie more where that came from.
Those signs are ex-Scrooge-iating
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FE7J3W.gif&hash=bb6f5304c7dfaefd5dcda884c251089299e6fbbb)
Quote from: odditude on January 20, 2015, 08:43:43 AM
the "crazy purple guide signs" are on Disney property and owned/maintained by Disney.
Technically most are on Reedy Creek Improvement District property, making them public roads.
Quote from: Brandon on January 20, 2015, 06:48:49 AM
Quote from: codyg1985 on January 20, 2015, 06:35:49 AM
Quote from: bugo on January 19, 2015, 10:15:23 PM
Oklahoma likes to put "JCT" or "JUNCTION" on the green overhead signs.
Arkansas does that sometimes, too.
As has ISTHA.
Louisiana has a few of these too, at some Interstate-to-Interstate interchanges where one or more of them is
ending.
NYSDOT Region 2 just likes to be odd, for example, the extra words on this sign. The button copy that this sign replaced was laid out the exact same way.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/314912/790-and-5.jpg)
There is a sign on I-90 east of Rochester that says something along the lines of "Trucks to I-81, use I-690." However, Syracuse (I-81) is over 50 miles away from where the sign is, so I don't see the benefit of having a sign like that so far away.
Quote from: Buffaboy on October 02, 2015, 08:54:30 PM
There is a sign on I-90 east of Rochester that says something along the lines of "Trucks to I-81, use I-690." However, Syracuse (I-81) is over 50 miles away from where the sign is, so I don't see the benefit of having a sign like that so far away.
Evidently, the sign is for long-distance truckers.
Quote from: cl94 on December 22, 2014, 08:13:07 PM
-Until very recently, each NYSDOT region had a different format for tenth-mile markers. R8, for example, used small green markers, while R1 used full-size markers with the decimal in green-on-white. All now use the MUTCD-standard enhanced location marker.
Region 10 (Long Island) has no mile markers at all, only the small square reference markers.
Also Long Island has the Parkways with the Letter Prefix Exit numbers. (Exit M1, Exit W6E-W, Exit SM2, etc.)
I believe Region 11 is the same way. Looking at photos, it appears that Regions 3, 5, and 9 are adopting enhanced tenth mile markers. Region 1 is using standard tenths with enhanced full mile markers on the Northway. Meanwhile, tenth mile markers appear to be becoming less common in Region 4. And the new signage plans for the Taconic call for the standard Region 8 tenth mile marker.
Quote from: Rothman on October 02, 2015, 09:02:46 PM
Quote from: Buffaboy on October 02, 2015, 08:54:30 PM
There is a sign on I-90 east of Rochester that says something along the lines of "Trucks to I-81, use I-690." However, Syracuse (I-81) is over 50 miles away from where the sign is, so I don't see the benefit of having a sign like that so far away.
Evidently, the sign is for long-distance truckers.
It's to discourage truckers from taking NY 14, 79, and/or 96 through Geneva, Ithaca, and/or Watkins Glen to avoid the toll
Quote from: vdeane on October 02, 2015, 09:34:30 PM
I believe Region 11 is the same way. Looking at photos, it appears that Regions 3, 5, and 9 are adopting enhanced tenth mile markers. Region 1 is using standard tenths with enhanced full mile markers on the Northway. Meanwhile, tenth mile markers appear to be becoming less common in Region 4. And the new signage plans for the Taconic call for the standard Region 8 tenth mile marker.
Region 4 is still installing their blue on white tenth mile markers (or at least they're still everywhere)
Quote from: cl94 on October 02, 2015, 10:06:40 PM
It's to discourage truckers from taking NY 14, 79, and/or 96 through Geneva, Ithaca, and/or Watkins Glen to avoid the toll
Reminds me of the futile attempts NYSDOT made a few years back to stop truckers from coming up I-390 and then "cutting the corner" to Buffalo by taking NY 63 from the Mount Morris area.
Quote from: Rothman on October 02, 2015, 10:15:12 PM
Quote from: cl94 on October 02, 2015, 10:06:40 PM
It's to discourage truckers from taking NY 14, 79, and/or 96 through Geneva, Ithaca, and/or Watkins Glen to avoid the toll
Reminds me of the futile attempts NYSDOT made a few years back to stop truckers from coming up I-390 and then "cutting the corner" to Buffalo by taking NY 63 from the Mount Morris area.
Difference is that the approach to Ithaca is quite substandard, while NY 63 and US 20 are, with the exception of a couple grades (the big ones have climbing lanes), very truck-friendly. I doubt truckers that know the area would willingly drive through Ithaca. I certainly wouldn't.
NJ uses signs like this (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0496653,-74.8277475,3a,15y,65.07h,85.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5kQo03ob1byZXoK5tV5x-g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) and its red slashed-circle variant to indicate where 102" wide trucks are permitted (as discussed here (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4965.0)).
Quote from: cl94 on October 02, 2015, 10:06:40 PM
Region 4 is still installing their blue on white tenth mile markers (or at least they're still everywhere)
They're everywhere, but there are holes on I-390 and I-490 (also a few enhanced full miles on I-490 west of downtown Rochester). I suspect that they're just not replacing the tenth mile markers, but that's just speculation.
I noted these all over the place in Arizona last week. There may have been a few of the more familiar black-on-white rectangular signs, but off the top of my head I don't recall having seen any, and I'm positive I didn't see the type telling you what the reduced speed limit will be.
(This one's on northbound I-17 entering the rest area just south of AZ-179 to Sedona.)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi31.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc378%2F1995hoo%2FRoad%2520sign%2520pictures%2F79727258d1aec31847097b4206d66e28_zps8qcfys4a.jpg&hash=a92f07230f5cc6deaa7c114c51e7544222cc92ba)
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 30, 2014, 06:21:17 AM
Quote from: cl94 on September 29, 2014, 11:38:29 PM
Pennsylvania's love of 2 mile advance signs, unheard of anywhere else I've been.
The NJ Turnpike uses them at about every interchange, and I've seen these elsewhere in NJ...along with I-95 in Delaware (SB, approaching Exit 1).
As does Kansas for Interstate-Interstate interchanges.
Quote from: cappicard on October 05, 2015, 08:50:24 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 30, 2014, 06:21:17 AM
Quote from: cl94 on September 29, 2014, 11:38:29 PM
Pennsylvania's love of 2 mile advance signs, unheard of anywhere else I've been.
The NJ Turnpike uses them at about every interchange, and I've seen these elsewhere in NJ...along with I-95 in Delaware (SB, approaching Exit 1).
As does Kansas for Interstate-Interstate interchanges.
ISTHA uses them a lot. Of course, this is the toll agency that will sign an interchange 25 miles out, just because it is the next interchange.
Quote from: cl94 on September 29, 2014, 11:38:29 PM
Pennsylvania's love of 2 mile advance signs, unheard of anywhere else I've been.
I think that's suggested in MUTCD for interchanges with other freeways. Ohio seems to be doing that recently.
TxDOT Houston Division has a tendency to omit control cities, as seen here:
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.8050684,-95.4469237,3a,75y,235.04h,80.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8hyUP2R3EYw9ee8VkXYguQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: vtk on October 06, 2015, 03:45:12 PM
Quote from: cl94 on September 29, 2014, 11:38:29 PM
Pennsylvania's love of 2 mile advance signs, unheard of anywhere else I've been.
I think that's suggested in MUTCD for interchanges with other freeways. Ohio seems to be doing that recently.
But how many places do it for
every single interchange? (though I think Region 3 just started doing it with a sign rehab on I-81)
Quote from: vtk on October 06, 2015, 03:45:12 PM
Quote from: cl94 on September 29, 2014, 11:38:29 PM
Pennsylvania's love of 2 mile advance signs, unheard of anywhere else I've been.
I think that's suggested in MUTCD for interchanges with other freeways. Ohio seems to be doing that recently.
During my two trips from Pittsburgh to the Delmarva Eastern Shore this year, one of the things that occurred to me was how little (only 2 or 3) 2 mile advance BGS were in Maryland. Not sure why it stuck out in my mind this year, but it did. Being from PA, I guess I'm just used to a lot of 2 mile advance signs.
Quote from: vdeane on October 06, 2015, 05:23:21 PM
Quote from: vtk on October 06, 2015, 03:45:12 PM
Quote from: cl94 on September 29, 2014, 11:38:29 PM
Pennsylvania's love of 2 mile advance signs, unheard of anywhere else I've been.
I think that's suggested in MUTCD for interchanges with other freeways. Ohio seems to be doing that recently.
But how many places do it for every single interchange? (though I think Region 3 just started doing it with a sign rehab on I-81)
Ohio Turnpike. ISTHA, as I mentioned above, does 2 miles
or more for advanced warnings.
Examples:
https://goo.gl/maps/TTKYiSYyuT72
https://goo.gl/maps/VbffThm3HyL2
Quote from: bugo on January 19, 2015, 10:15:23 PM
Oklahoma likes to put "JCT" or "JUNCTION" on the green overhead signs.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7296/10531333845_3ae649e20b_b.jpg)
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8218/8293101116_43b70f42c9_b.jpg)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4015/4671626857_571cd5d219_b.jpg)
[et seq]
This is because Oklahoma.
Quote from: Brandon on October 06, 2015, 07:04:15 PM
Quote from: vdeane on October 06, 2015, 05:23:21 PM
Quote from: vtk on October 06, 2015, 03:45:12 PM
Quote from: cl94 on September 29, 2014, 11:38:29 PM
Pennsylvania's love of 2 mile advance signs, unheard of anywhere else I've been.
I think that's suggested in MUTCD for interchanges with other freeways. Ohio seems to be doing that recently.
But how many places do it for every single interchange? (though I think Region 3 just started doing it with a sign rehab on I-81)
Ohio Turnpike. ISTHA, as I mentioned above, does 2 miles or more for advanced warnings.
Examples:
https://goo.gl/maps/TTKYiSYyuT72
https://goo.gl/maps/VbffThm3HyL2
I recall this being common practice in Kentucky, but I've admittedly only been to one part of Kentucky.
Quote from: kphoger on October 06, 2015, 07:36:42 PM
Quote from: bugo on January 19, 2015, 10:15:23 PM
Oklahoma likes to put "JCT" or "JUNCTION" on the green overhead signs.
This is because Oklahoma.
In the days when most of Pennsylvania's Interstate-to-Interstate interchanges were not numbered, some guide signs placed
JUNCTION in what would have otherwise been an empty exit tab. Such as in this example from Jeff Kitsko's site many years ago via archive.org:
(https://web.archive.org/web/20040812193837/http://www.pahighways.com/graphics/gallery/johnkrakoff/I90_I79.jpg)
New York has a few "Junction" signs approaching major interchanges. Notable is I-87 SB at Exit 2, where there is such a sign for I-90 and the Thruway.
For the first advance-notice of a major highway interchange along another highway, Massachusetts used to have a BGS message that read:
JUNCTION
*Route Shield*
X MILES
(usually 2 or 3 miles from the specified interchange)
There used to be one of these along I-95 (MA 128) Northbound 2 miles from then I-93 interchange in Reading (at the MA 38 interchange in Woburn). Such was since replaced with conventional MUTCD-style signage.
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 07, 2015, 09:33:06 AM
For the first advance-notice of a major highway interchange along another highway, Massachusetts used to have a BGS message that read:
JUNCTION
*Route Shield*
X MILES
(usually 2 or 3 miles from the specified interchange)
There used to be one of these along I-95 (MA 128) Northbound 2 miles from then I-93 interchange in Reading (at the MA 38 interchange in Woburn). Such was since replaced with conventional MUTCD-style signage.
Until 2012, another of these signs was in place on I-93 southbound 2 miles from the I-495 interchange in Andover - it was on the same structure as the exit direction sign for River Road and a pull-through sign for I-93 south.
MoDOT puts distant cities as control cities for 3-digit Interstates (least in the KC area).
Wichita (which is almost 200 miles away) is featured as the control city for westbound I-435 from the 2 mile advance sign along southbound 435 before the Grandview Triangle.
https://goo.gl/maps/tQgin8XsRwQ2
Quote from: cappicard on October 07, 2015, 10:52:24 AM
MoDOT puts distant cities as control cities for 3-digit Interstates (least in the KC area).
Wichita (which is almost 200 miles away) is featured as the control city for westbound I-435 from the 2 mile advance sign along southbound 435 before the Grandview Triangle.
https://goo.gl/maps/tQgin8XsRwQ2
Last week I saw Los Angeles used as a control city on signs in Flagstaff and Phoenix. Google Maps tells me it's 465 miles from the first such sign I saw in Flagstaff to a point outside City Hall in Los Angeles. A nearby sign used Albuquerque as the eastbound control city. That's about 325 miles using I-40, as opposed to the far less direct route we used. I find the use of Los Angeles in Flagstaff to be the most interesting one because I-40 doesn't go there–it ends in Barstow and you connect to I-15, which itself doesn't go to LA either!
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 07, 2015, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: cappicard on October 07, 2015, 10:52:24 AM
MoDOT puts distant cities as control cities for 3-digit Interstates (least in the KC area).
Wichita (which is almost 200 miles away) is featured as the control city for westbound I-435 from the 2 mile advance sign along southbound 435 before the Grandview Triangle.
https://goo.gl/maps/tQgin8XsRwQ2
Last week I saw Los Angeles used as a control city on signs in Flagstaff and Phoenix. Google Maps tells me it's 465 miles from the first such sign I saw in Flagstaff to a point outside City Hall in Los Angeles. A nearby sign used Albuquerque as the eastbound control city. That's about 325 miles using I-40, as opposed to the far less direct route we used. I find the use of Los Angeles in Flagstaff to be the most interesting one because I-40 doesn't go there–it ends in Barstow and you connect to I-15, which itself doesn't go to LA either!
A distance sign along the Kansas Turnpike (just west of the Lawrence) shows the distance to Denver.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/richiekennedy56/9272550632/
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 07, 2015, 11:49:13 AM
Last week I saw Los Angeles used as a control city on signs in Flagstaff and Phoenix. Google Maps tells me it's 465 miles from the first such sign I saw in Flagstaff to a point outside City Hall in Los Angeles. A nearby sign used Albuquerque as the eastbound control city. That's about 325 miles using I-40, as opposed to the far less direct route we used. I find the use of Los Angeles in Flagstaff to be the most interesting one because I-40 doesn't go there–it ends in Barstow and you connect to I-15, which itself doesn't go to LA either!
I would think most people that are using I-40 west of Kingman are headed to Los Angeles, even if neither I-40 or I-15 go through it.
You have a similar situation along I-24 west in Kentucky where St. Louis is briefly used as a control city, even though neither I-24 or I-57 go to St. Louis.
Quote from: roadman on October 07, 2015, 09:40:34 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 07, 2015, 09:33:06 AM
For the first advance-notice of a major highway interchange along another highway, Massachusetts used to have a BGS message that read:
JUNCTION
*Route Shield*
X MILES
(usually 2 or 3 miles from the specified interchange)
There used to be one of these along I-95 (MA 128) Northbound 2 miles from then I-93 interchange in Reading (at the MA 38 interchange in Woburn). Such was since replaced with conventional MUTCD-style signage.
Until 2012, another of these signs was in place on I-93 southbound 2 miles from the I-495 interchange in Andover - it was on the same structure as the exit direction sign for River Road and a pull-through sign for I-93 south.
Similar type signage also existed along I-93 South/then MA 128 North for the I-95 interchange in Canton as well as one 70s-era structure-mounted BGS along US 1 North for the 3-mile advance notice of MA 128 in Saugus (at the Lynn Fells Parkway interchange).
The sign on I-93 south in Milton that said "Junction 95 2 Miles" was replaced in 1990 with one that only had a I-95 shield with "2 MILES" - it was relocated from a separate truss to a bridge mount - see http://www.interstate-guide.com/i-093.html . This sign has since been replaced with a standard sign reading "I-95 Providence RI Portsmouth NH 2 MILES" - it was installed as part of the Randolph to Dedham section of the "Add-A-Lane" widening project.
The sign on US 1 north in Saugus that said "Junction 128 3 Miles" was removed and replaced with an advance sign for Walnut Street as part of the 1998 Chelsea to Danvers sign replacement project.
To my knowledge, only the aforementioned "Junction" signs on I-95 north for I-93 and on I-93 south for I-495 were replaced with identical legends during MassHighway's 1990s sign replacement projects - remember that this was the era of "retain existing structures as much as possible", so 'in-kind' replacement of sign panels was the norm. As noted, both of these signs have since been replaced with standard advance exit signs that omit the word "Junction".
Quote from: kphoger on October 06, 2015, 07:37:52 PM
I recall this being common practice in Kentucky, but I've admittedly only been to one part of Kentucky.
Common but not universal, especially on the parkways.
Also common practice in West Virginia.
Virginia, on the other hand, is lucky to give you a half-mile advance warning in some spots, especially along I-81.
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 07, 2015, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: cappicard on October 07, 2015, 10:52:24 AM
MoDOT puts distant cities as control cities for 3-digit Interstates (least in the KC area).
Wichita (which is almost 200 miles away) is featured as the control city for westbound I-435 from the 2 mile advance sign along southbound 435 before the Grandview Triangle.
https://goo.gl/maps/tQgin8XsRwQ2
Last week I saw Los Angeles used as a control city on signs in Flagstaff and Phoenix. Google Maps tells me it's 465 miles from the first such sign I saw in Flagstaff to a point outside City Hall in Los Angeles. A nearby sign used Albuquerque as the eastbound control city. That's about 325 miles using I-40, as opposed to the far less direct route we used. I find the use of Los Angeles in Flagstaff to be the most interesting one because I-40 doesn't go there–it ends in Barstow and you connect to I-15, which itself doesn't go to LA either!
It's because they think you'll use I-40 to I-15 to I-10. The only reason why San Bernardino is used on I-15 south is because that's the way south to I-10, and at the I-10/I-15 interchange, I-10 westbound uses Los Angeles.
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 07, 2015, 04:01:31 PM
It's because they think you'll use I-40 to I-15 to I-10. The only reason why San Bernardino is used on I-15 south is because that's the way south to I-10, and at the I-10/I-15 interchange, I-10 westbound uses Los Angeles.
Actually, I-15 is signed with San Bernardino as its southbound control city because the original routing for I-15, and for its pre-'64 predecessors through the Cajon Pass, US 395, US 66, and US 91, all went to or through San Bernardino. The original routing of I-15 ended along what is now I-215 at what is now I-10 just south of San Bernardino. In 1969, the CTC began planning for the extension of I-15 down to San Diego along a routing on or parallel to former US 395, and as part of that shifted I-15 away from its then-routing to San Bernardino onto a freeway to be built along a westerly path through Ontario and Corona.
Basically, everything highway related in California from the 70s onward was done on an ad hoc basis with no great centralized planning like they had in the golden days of the CTC and the Division of Public Highways. There were lots of holdover control cities from that point forward that didn't quite match up with their current routings. For example, because US 91 continued through San Bernardino and terminated in Long Beach, for many decades after US 91 was decommissioned, one of the control cities for CA 91 westbound after Riverside was still Long Beach, even though the state highway iteration of 91 never went directly to Long Beach, instead veering north of the old routing with a terminus in Redondo Beach. You can still find a few street signs here and there along the 91 that show Long Beach as the control city for a 91 westbound on-ramp. There are also a couple of holdover freeway mileage signs that have Long Beach listed along the progression.
Given how the planning changed, there's a decent chance that the main reason I-40's control city in California for westbound traffic is Los Angeles is because the highway I-40 replaced, US 66, went through Los Angeles and had Los Angeles as its westbound control city.
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The aforementioned black-bordered US 69 shield on the westbound guide signs along 435.
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There used to be an LGS on southbound I-95/MA-128 that read:
JCT RTE 9
2000 FEET
(yes, all in text)
It's been gone for quite a while, but I'd almost bet it dated from the time when 128's southern terminus was at MA-9 in Wellesley.
Quote from: SidS1045 on October 10, 2015, 10:57:06 PM
There used to be an LGS on southbound I-95/MA-128 that read:
JCT RTE 9
2000 FEET
(yes, all in text)
It's been gone for quite a while, but I'd almost bet it dated from the time when 128's southern terminus was at MA-9 in Wellesley.
Northbound I-435 just before the Missouri River in Kansas had Rte 45 listed in text for years, in reference to MO-45.
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Quote from: KEK Inc. on September 30, 2014, 05:31:58 AM
Here's a 2 mile advance sign with a EXIT ONLY legend.
http://goo.gl/maps/jImIM
http://goo.gl/maps/jBRey
PennDOT says hi. (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0906235,-74.9222951,3a,75y,47.77h,92.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJL4IK1vSEKkq0ijHUI_pDA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 07, 2015, 04:01:31 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 07, 2015, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: cappicard on October 07, 2015, 10:52:24 AM
MoDOT puts distant cities as control cities for 3-digit Interstates (least in the KC area).
Wichita (which is almost 200 miles away) is featured as the control city for westbound I-435 from the 2 mile advance sign along southbound 435 before the Grandview Triangle.
https://goo.gl/maps/tQgin8XsRwQ2
Last week I saw Los Angeles used as a control city on signs in Flagstaff and Phoenix. Google Maps tells me it's 465 miles from the first such sign I saw in Flagstaff to a point outside City Hall in Los Angeles. A nearby sign used Albuquerque as the eastbound control city. That's about 325 miles using I-40, as opposed to the far less direct route we used. I find the use of Los Angeles in Flagstaff to be the most interesting one because I-40 doesn't go there–it ends in Barstow and you connect to I-15, which itself doesn't go to LA either!
It's because they think you'll use I-40 to I-15 to I-10. The only reason why San Bernardino is used on I-15 south is because that's the way south to I-10, and at the I-10/I-15 interchange, I-10 westbound uses Los Angeles.
Sure, but I guess what I was getting at is that in the USA, we don't have a standard like the Brits do for indicating a destination that will be reached only by connecting to other routes. Normally here on the East Coast we don't see many signs using control cities that aren't actually on the road in question ("the road" intended to include scenarios where the number changes, such as listing Montreal as a control city on I-87 even though it becomes Autoroute 15 at the border).
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 12, 2015, 09:35:07 AM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 07, 2015, 04:01:31 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 07, 2015, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: cappicard on October 07, 2015, 10:52:24 AM
MoDOT puts distant cities as control cities for 3-digit Interstates (least in the KC area).
Wichita (which is almost 200 miles away) is featured as the control city for westbound I-435 from the 2 mile advance sign along southbound 435 before the Grandview Triangle.
https://goo.gl/maps/tQgin8XsRwQ2
Last week I saw Los Angeles used as a control city on signs in Flagstaff and Phoenix. Google Maps tells me it's 465 miles from the first such sign I saw in Flagstaff to a point outside City Hall in Los Angeles. A nearby sign used Albuquerque as the eastbound control city. That's about 325 miles using I-40, as opposed to the far less direct route we used. I find the use of Los Angeles in Flagstaff to be the most interesting one because I-40 doesn't go there–it ends in Barstow and you connect to I-15, which itself doesn't go to LA either!
It's because they think you'll use I-40 to I-15 to I-10. The only reason why San Bernardino is used on I-15 south is because that's the way south to I-10, and at the I-10/I-15 interchange, I-10 westbound uses Los Angeles.
Sure, but I guess what I was getting at is that in the USA, we don't have a standard like the Brits do for indicating a destination that will be reached only by connecting to other routes. Normally here on the East Coast we don't see many signs using control cities that aren't actually on the road in question ("the road" intended to include scenarios where the number changes, such as listing Montreal as a control city on I-87 even though it becomes Autoroute 15 at the border).
Tell that to Ohio.
And if you really want to be specific, look at I-90. Buffalo and Erie are both control cities, yet it enters neither.
Quote from: cl94 on October 12, 2015, 09:51:00 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 12, 2015, 09:35:07 AM
Quote from: noelbotevera on October 07, 2015, 04:01:31 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 07, 2015, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: cappicard on October 07, 2015, 10:52:24 AM
MoDOT puts distant cities as control cities for 3-digit Interstates (least in the KC area).
Wichita (which is almost 200 miles away) is featured as the control city for westbound I-435 from the 2 mile advance sign along southbound 435 before the Grandview Triangle.
https://goo.gl/maps/tQgin8XsRwQ2
Last week I saw Los Angeles used as a control city on signs in Flagstaff and Phoenix. Google Maps tells me it's 465 miles from the first such sign I saw in Flagstaff to a point outside City Hall in Los Angeles. A nearby sign used Albuquerque as the eastbound control city. That's about 325 miles using I-40, as opposed to the far less direct route we used. I find the use of Los Angeles in Flagstaff to be the most interesting one because I-40 doesn't go there–it ends in Barstow and you connect to I-15, which itself doesn't go to LA either!
It's because they think you'll use I-40 to I-15 to I-10. The only reason why San Bernardino is used on I-15 south is because that's the way south to I-10, and at the I-10/I-15 interchange, I-10 westbound uses Los Angeles.
Sure, but I guess what I was getting at is that in the USA, we don't have a standard like the Brits do for indicating a destination that will be reached only by connecting to other routes. Normally here on the East Coast we don't see many signs using control cities that aren't actually on the road in question ("the road" intended to include scenarios where the number changes, such as listing Montreal as a control city on I-87 even though it becomes Autoroute 15 at the border).
Tell that to Ohio.
And if you really want to be specific, look at I-90. Buffalo and Erie are both control cities, yet it enters neither.
Ohio is not on the East Coast, and even if it were, I said "normally," which means there are exceptions. There are always exceptions to everything. The I-40 situation I was noting is rather distinct from I-90 going right past Buffalo and Erie even if it doesn't directly enter either of them. As others noted, going to Los Angeles from Flagstaff via I-40 requires you to exit onto I-15 and then I-10 for more than minimal distances. Buffalo and Erie are right off I-90.
What I was getting at is that we don't have something comparable to the parenthetical reference to the M4 seen on the sign below (it's located in Swindon). Going from the Magic Roundabout to the M4 requires connecting onto two other roads (Queens Drive to Marlborough Road to the A419).
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I'm not trying to say it's BAD that Los Angeles is on that sign, just that I found it interesting because I don't usually see signs for destinations that require multiple exits. I tend to think it's a good idea sometimes for certain high-profile destinations. (Whether Los Angeles draws that much traffic from Flagstaff, I have no idea.)
Isn't "TO [##]" the American equivalent to "([##])"?
Quote from: kphoger on October 12, 2015, 10:15:12 AM
Isn't "TO [##]" the American equivalent to "([##])"?
It is. I've seen New York post trailblazers requiring more turns than that.
Quote from: kphoger on October 12, 2015, 10:15:12 AM
Isn't "TO [##]" the American equivalent to "([##])"?
What I'm getting at is that there are roads that use a relatively obscure or small town on that road as a control city instead of a bigger and more important place accessible only by exiting onto another route when the first one ends. A good example that comes readily to my mind is westbound I-66, which uses Front Royal and Strasburg as its control cities instead of Winchester (accessible by going to the western end of I-66 and then going north), Harrisonburg (ditto except you go south somewhat further), or even Roanoke (also south, but a much longer distance).
I-66's westbound control point should be either "I-81" or "Anywhere else besides Sodom-on-the-Potomac."
Quote from: hbelkins on October 12, 2015, 01:14:06 PM
I-66's westbound control point should be either "I-81" or "Anywhere else besides Sodom-on-the-Potomac."
"Appalachia" and "Points South and West"
Quote from: TXtoNJ on October 12, 2015, 01:36:42 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 12, 2015, 01:14:06 PM
I-66's westbound control point should be either "I-81" or "Anywhere else besides Sodom-on-the-Potomac."
"Appalachia" and "Points South and West"
Not much different than Kansas being the control "city" for southbound I-635 from MO-9, and from I-29.
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Heh, I think K-156's control cities from I-70 ought to be The Middle of Nowhere, instead of Great Bend and Dodge City.
For me, Dodge City IS the middle of nowhere! [emoji16]
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Saratoga Springs in the Capital Region for I-87 while the rest of the NYSDOT chooses Montreal for I-87 N Bound (including the NYTA for exit signage on the NY Thruway at Exit 24) is one.
In Florida in both Districts 2 & 5 they mostly use "Jacksonville" for NB I-95 however in Brevard County some interchanges shuffle in "Daytona Beach" or even "Titusville" or "Cocoa" at the FL 407 interchange near the Kennedy Space Center. Then go to FDOT D4 and it becomes "Daytona Beach" between West Palm Beach and the FDOT D5 border near Sebastian, FL for N Bound I-95, and either "West Palm Beach" instead of Miami south of the Indian River County Line where Miami completely disappears to West Palm Beach itself.
In essence FDOT D5 is a region as D2 and D4 cover more miles along I-95 then D4.
Then in Lake City area, FDOT D2 strays from "Tampa" and "Valdosta" on I-75 ramps for more local destinations such as "Alachua" and "White Springs" on the US 41 & 441 ramp signs at I-75 (Exit 414). Then where US 441 meets I-10 north of Lake City, for some reason "Live Oak" is the control city for I-10 W Bound over the state capital "Tallahassee" as that is the control city west of Lake City for I-10 W Bound in the norm.
Quote from: cl94 on October 12, 2015, 09:51:00 AM
And if you really want to be specific, look at I-90. Buffalo and Erie are both control cities, yet it enters neither.
What's fun about that is that I-90 WB essentially has welcome to Buffalo signage despite never entering the city.
Quote from: Rothman on October 13, 2015, 08:22:52 AM
Quote from: cl94 on October 12, 2015, 09:51:00 AM
And if you really want to be specific, look at I-90. Buffalo and Erie are both control cities, yet it enters neither.
What's fun about that is that I-90 WB essentially has welcome to Buffalo signage despite never entering the city.
What's better is that the welcome signs are on the edge of the suburbs. If you didn't know the area, the WB sign 2-3 miles east of Exit 49 appears to be in the middle of nowhere.
Quote from: roadman65 on October 13, 2015, 01:04:53 AM
Saratoga Springs in the Capital Region for I-87 while the rest of the NYSDOT chooses Montreal for I-87 N Bound (including the NYTA for exit signage on the NY Thruway at Exit 24) is one.
In Florida in both Districts 2 & 5 they mostly use "Jacksonville" for NB I-95 however in Brevard County some interchanges shuffle in "Daytona Beach" or even "Titusville" or "Cocoa" at the FL 407 interchange near the Kennedy Space Center. Then go to FDOT D4 and it becomes "Daytona Beach" between West Palm Beach and the FDOT D5 border near Sebastian, FL for N Bound I-95, and either "West Palm Beach" instead of Miami south of the Indian River County Line where Miami completely disappears to West Palm Beach itself.
In essence FDOT D5 is a region as D2 and D4 cover more miles along I-95 then D4.
Then in Lake City area, FDOT D2 strays from "Tampa" and "Valdosta" on I-75 ramps for more local destinations such as "Alachua" and "White Springs" on the US 41 & 441 ramp signs at I-75 (Exit 414). Then where US 441 meets I-10 north of Lake City, for some reason "Live Oak" is the control city for I-10 W Bound over the state capital "Tallahassee" as that is the control city west of Lake City for I-10 W Bound in the norm.
I-95 could easily have either Fort Lauderdale or Miami as its main control city. Not sure why I-75 gets Valdosta instead of Atlanta.
Quote from: NE2 on December 22, 2014, 08:46:45 PM
Quote from: cl94 on December 22, 2014, 08:13:07 PM
-NYSDOT roads have reference markers providing location information every 1/10. Vermont has a nearly-identical system, but I know of no other states with a system as precise.
Doesn't Mass give mileage to the nearest thousandth?
That was only on a special set of milemarkers that were posted on bridges for maintenance purposes. The system was never intended for viewing by normal road users.
Quote from: roadman65 on October 13, 2015, 01:04:53 AM
Saratoga Springs in the Capital Region for I-87 while the rest of the NYSDOT chooses Montreal for I-87 N Bound (including the NYTA for exit signage on the NY Thruway at Exit 24) is one.
Also Buffalo and Victor on I-490 in NY, which seem oddly paired, as opposed to Le Roy and Victor (the endpoints) or Buffalo and Syracuse.
LeRoy does appear on mileage signs. I suspect that Buffalo and Victor are used because that's where people are going. Victor is a developed suburb in its own right and a major endpoint for commuters. LeRoy, on the other hand, is a small village in the middle of nowhere (most commuter traffic stops in Chili), and most people on that stretch of I-490 are probably heading to Buffalo.