I have always pictured any SR 1 in any state to do the following:
1) Run the length of the state (north to south of course).
2) Be a link between at least 2 or 3 major cities.
Take LA 1 for example... it runs from Grand Isle (just about as far south as you can go in Louisiana except for maybe Venice on LA 23). It runs on the western edge of Baton Rouge, through Alexandria and Shreveport before meeting the Texas state line and becoming TX 77... I believe a total of 428 miles or so.
Does the SR 1 in your state fit the description above? Is it even an important route?
Quote from: cjk374 on September 30, 2014, 12:03:35 AM
I have always pictured any SR 1 in any state to do the following:
1) Run the length of the state (north to south of course).
2) Be a link between at least 2 or 3 major cities.
Take LA 1 for example... it runs from Grand Isle (just about as far south as you can go in Louisiana except for maybe Venice on LA 23). It runs on the western edge of Baton Rouge, through Alexandria and Shreveport before meeting the Texas state line and becoming TX 77... I believe a total of 428 miles or so.
Does the SR 1 in your state fit the description above? Is it even an important route?
In my home state, there isn't a state route 1 because of US 1 but US 1 in North Carolina doesn't do much other than run through Raleigh.
In Puerto Rico (not a state, I know), routes 1, 2, and 3 were the primary routes for the island until the construction of the Autopistas. Parts of routes 2 and 3 remain the primary routes for parts of the island where they aren't yet paralleled by Autopistas and form parts of the unsigned interstates PRI-2 and PRI-3, respectively.
The only time Utah may have ever had a signed SR-1 is pre-US highway (1910s-1926), as it followed the most major route of the time (initially US-91, then I-15 at the latest pre-1977 system).
In fact, routes 1 through 11 (except SR-10) followed either Interstates or US Routes, generally the more important routes having the lower number. Since the 1977 renumbering where posted numbers were realigned to match legislative numbers, there has been no SR-1 (or SRs 2-5, for that matter). Will there be a future UT-1 running the length of the state? Not likely. Will it be a major route, wherever it is? Most likely. With my communications with UDOT I feel that the numbers 1 through 5 will be used on major routes.
Hardly:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Ok-1_path.png/800px-Ok-1_path.png)
OK-1 is named such because of its scenic attributes, not its usefulness.
IIRC, our MD 1 never existed officially, though technically it would have been what US 1 is now between DC and Baltimore. So make of that what you will. But it does technically fulfill the criteria of what the OP specified (runs north-south [more or less], runs between 2 or 3 major cities [DC and Baltimore])
In Georgia, SR. 1 is basically a "secret highway" that is concurrent with US 27 through its entire route through GA.
In Nebraska, Nebraska State Highway 1 is probably one of the least significant state highways there is. It's only in Cass County, and it only passes through Elmwood and Murray, with a link road off of it to Murdock. I personally suspect the only people who ever really use it are the people who have to go to Elmwood-Murdock High or Murray Conestoga High. Then again, it was probably not the original NE 1.
EDIT: I took the time to look it up. The original NE 1 was what essentially became US 20. So while it runs the length of the state, it doesn't really go through any major cities, although I suspect Valentine and Chadron and O'Neill were relatively much bigger cities as compared to Omaha and Lincoln then.
In Ohio, Route 1 has existed twice...
The original Ohio 1 was the National Road in Ohio until it was superseded by US 40 in 1926 when the US Highway system was established....
The second Ohio 1 from the 1950s-60s was a mishmash of TEMP 1 cutouts bolted to concurrent routes running from Cincinnati to Dayton, to Springfield, to Columbus, to the south of Cleveland then up to the State line toward Erie PA. (Years ago, i had a road atlas of Ashtabula county that not only had the current highway numbers, but State Highway numbers, and I-90 was also noted as State Highway 1.....)
Delaware's SR 1 was commissioned in the 1970s over the north south portion of SR 14, instantly gaining prominence as the route to the Delaware beaches. The Delaware Relief Route brought SR 1 northward to New Castle County in 1991, with the overall SR 1 toll road completed southward to Dover in 2003. The state route overlapped with US 113 until 2004 when DelDOT truncated the route away from its parent to Milford, leaving SR 1 as the sole route to coastal Sussex from Dover. These steps entrenched SR 1 as Delaware's premier route.
The Northeast forum probably isn't the best place to ask this question because most states in this part of the country don't have an SR 1 because US 1 goes through them. And in New York, no it doesn't do anything close to running the length of the state. It just cuts through New York City and the southern half of Westchester County going between New Jersey and Connecticut.
Quote from: dgolub on September 30, 2014, 08:52:29 AM
The Northeast forum probably isn't the best place to ask this question because most states in this part of the country don't have an SR 1 because US 1 goes through them. And in New York, no it doesn't do anything close to running the length of the state. It just cuts through New York City and the southern half of Westchester County going between New Jersey and Connecticut.
Scratch that, I thought I was in Northeast and then realized after posting that I was in General Highway Talk. The part about US 1 in New York still holds, though.
Quote from: cjk374 on September 30, 2014, 12:03:35 AM
I have always pictured any SR 1 in any state to do the following:
1) Run the length of the state (north to south of course).
2) Be a link between at least 2 or 3 major cities.
Take LA 1 for example... it runs from Grand Isle (just about as far south as you can go in Louisiana except for maybe Venice on LA 23). It runs on the western edge of Baton Rouge, through Alexandria and Shreveport before meeting the Texas state line and becoming TX 77... I believe a total of 428 miles or so.
Does the SR 1 in your state fit the description above? Is it even an important route?
AR 1 did originally, but not anymore.
AL 1 is concurrent with US 231 it's entire length through Alabama but it isn't signed.
Quote from: freebrickproductions on September 30, 2014, 09:20:40 AM
AL 1 is concurrent with US 231 it's entire length through Alabama but it isn't signed.
Check again.
Somewhere in an old thread is a map I generated of all 1s from 1926.
KY 1 is not a major route. South of Grayson, it's a rural road that serves what in the old days would have been called farm-to-market traffic. North of Grayson, it does run to an adjacent county seat (Greenup) but its role as a primary connector route has been supplanted by the Industrial Parkway (KY 67).
It's not even the easternmost odd-numbered route. KY 3 and KY 5 are east of KY 1, and now the misplaced KY 67 is too.
CA-1 AKA PCH is a pretty scenic drive in California and it hugs the coast.
Quote from: NE2 on September 30, 2014, 09:29:38 AM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on September 30, 2014, 09:20:40 AM
AL 1 is concurrent with US 231 it's entire length through Alabama but it isn't signed.
Check again.
Somewhere in an old thread is a map I generated of all 1s from 1926.
My bad, I meant 431 until you reach Dothan. From there, it's concurrent with US 231.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but old NJ SR 1 was replaced by current-day US 1, except its alignment shifted near Dayton, running on what I suspect would be US 130's alignment until it branched off yet again and entered Trenton from the east, as opposed to present-day US 1 entering Trenton from the north.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FJHmfCC0.png&hash=9331ef2954b7c04e9df67df02f5cb028a11e0943)
IL-1 is along the eastern side of the state from the ferry at Cave-In-Rock to I-57 in Chicago.
M-1 is merely Woodward Avenue from Downtown Detroit to BL-US-24 and BL-75 on the south side of Pontiac.
Iowa highway 1 isn't all that significant, it's just another state highway. The only sizable city it runs through is Iowa City, and it only makes it about halfway up the state.
Original (pre-US highway) Iowa highway 1 fit the OP's description a lot more. It followed what is currently US 69 from the Missouri state line to Ames, and current US 65 from US 30 north to the Minnesota state line, running through Des Moines, Ames, and Mason City.
NJ does not have an SR-1 because US-1 passes through it (and is of course a major route that sort of runs the length of the northern half of the state and does connect Trenton to (indirectly) Princeton to New Brunswick to Newark.
There is a County Route 1 in Monmouth County which connects the super important unincorporated entities of Elys Corner and Carrs Corner, and is a whopping 6.5 miles long. It runs East-West and does end at 500 series County Routes on either end, which makes it slightly more important than some other single digit county routes.
There is also a county route 501, which would be a secondary equivalent of a state route 1. It's a semi-major route in the northern part of thee state that connects Edison, Woodbridge, Staten Island (NY), Jersey City, and Fort Lee among others (the gap through Staten Island is filled by NY-440)
Why no Vermont Route 1, Vermont? Why?
Wisconsin has no Wis-1. Or Wis-2 through Wis-9 for that matter. Wisconsin does not do single digit routes other than US-2 and US-8.
Quote from: Zeffy on September 30, 2014, 10:39:06 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but old NJ SR 1 was replaced by current-day US 1, except its alignment shifted near Dayton, running on what I suspect would be US 130's alignment until it branched off yet again and entered Trenton from the east, as opposed to present-day US 1 entering Trenton from the north.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FJHmfCC0.png&hash=9331ef2954b7c04e9df67df02f5cb028a11e0943)
That's the pre-1927 Route 1. From 1927 to 1953, Route 1 went from the Bayonne Bridge to New York along what's now 440 (and unbuilt 440), US 1-9 Truck, US 1-9, and US 9W. It was the northeasternmost route in a rather funky radial numbering, having some similarities to Maryland.
Also Goat Hill.
Florida's SR 1 ran along what would become US 90, but was renumbered (and hidden). A1A came about to prevent confusion with US 1, which makes it the de facto FL 1.
Going along Fictional Highways, then an "FL 1" like Louisiana's would run from US 1's terminus in Key West, pick up US 27 in Miami, and stay on US 98's path to Alabama...
Washington has no SR 1. In our state highway numbering scheme, US 101 acts as SR 1, but only goes around the Olympic Peninsula.
Interstate 5, which replaced US 99 and Primary State Highway 1, is a much better example of a "SR 1".
West Virginia does not have a state route 1.
Tennessee's entry into this category runs southwest to northeast, from Memphis to Bristol. To my knowledge, the only place where it is independently signed and not merely the secret state route for a US highway is at Sparta.
Quote from: hbelkins on September 30, 2014, 03:56:24 PM
West Virginia does not have a state route 1.
Tennessee's entry into this category runs southwest to northeast, from Memphis to Bristol. To my knowledge, the only place where it is independently signed and not merely the secret state route for a US highway is at Sparta.
IIRC correctly it is concurrent with US 70 for a good bit, and indeed a "secret" highway.
Quote from: bzakharin on September 30, 2014, 12:48:53 PM
There is a County Route 1 in Monmouth County which connects the super important unincorporated entities of Elys Corner and Carrs Corner, and is a whopping 6.5 miles long. It runs East-West and does end at 500 series County Routes on either end, which makes it slightly more important than some other single digit county routes.
So do a lot of the counties in New York as well: Nassau, Suffolk, Rockland, etc. Westchester doesn't, though, because what was supposed to be CR 1 became NY 100B.
SD and WY don't have 1. ND does, and it fits the first qualification. (but not the second...)
US 1 passes through 14 states. And we've already named 9 other states that either lack a SR 1 entirely or use the number as a hidden designation for something else.
That's at least 23 states with no signed SR 1. Seems a little surprising as you'd expect it to be one of the most popular numbers, but nope.
Quote from: Duke87 on October 01, 2014, 02:24:43 AM
US 1 passes through 14 states. And we've already named 9 other states that either lack a SR 1 entirely or use the number as a hidden designation for something else.
That's at least 23 states with no signed SR 1. Seems a little surprising as you'd expect it to be one of the most popular numbers, but nope.
Except Georgia. Because Georgia.
(And Florida - if US 1 weren't so close, SR A1A would still be SR 1.)
Alabama major but unsigned
Alaska definitely major
Arizona no (most numbers are 60+, as if they wanted the lowest number to be a U.S. Route)
Arkansas reasonably major (rough grid)
California major (rough grid)
Colorado fairly minor (was much longer)
Connecticut no (US 1)
Delaware major (specifically numbered to replace 14)
Florida reasonably major (as A1A; grid)
Georgia major (rough grid)
Hawaii no (no single-digits in the system)
Idaho fairly minor
Illinois reasonably major
Indiana somewhat major (grid)
Iowa fairly minor
Kansas fairly minor (used to be much longer)
Kentucky fairly minor (rough grid)
Louisiana major
Maine no (US 1)
Maryland no (US 1)
Massachusetts no (US 1)
Michigan regionally important
Minnesota fairly minor
Mississippi fairly major (rough grid)
Missouri minor
Montana reasonably major
Nebraska minor
Nevada no (formerly major)
New Hampshire no (US 1)
New Jersey no (US 1; formerly major)
New Mexico somewhat major
New York no (US 1)
North Carolina no (US 1)
North Dakota somewhat major
Ohio no (formerly major)
Oklahoma fairly minor
Oregon no (left open in the rough grid)
Pennsylvania no (US 1)
Rhode Island no (US 1)
South Carolina no (US 1)
South Dakota no (no single digits in the numbering)
Tennessee major but mostly unsigned
Texas no (formerly major)
Utah no (formerly major)
Vermont no (could have existed, given that 3 was created in the late 1920s, but never did)
Virginia no
Washington no
West Virginia no
Wisconsin no (no single digits in the system)
Wyoming no (no single digits in the system)
Which begs the next question...
What's the lowest state road number that exists in the most number of states?
Quote from: formulanone on October 01, 2014, 08:51:41 AM
Which begs the next question...
What's the lowest state road number that exists in the most number of states?
For Illinois, Indiana, and Michigan, it's 1.
For Wisconsin, it's 11; however, the lowest numbered route of any kind is US-2 (and one of two single digit routes in the state, the other being US-8).
QuoteMississippi fairly major (rough grid)
Had the grid been created before the US highway routes were, then probably. But since the state routes came after, MS 1 was relegated to the area where US 61 wasn't already near the river...I'd argue that it isn't major.
QuoteVermont no (could have existed, given that 3 was created in the late 1920s, but never did)
Per VTrans, VT 3 wasn't created until 1941...and then only by petition. Not sure yet why Vermont didn't post lower numbers, unless they were trying to avoid initial confusion with the rest of the New England route system.
QuoteVirginia no
http://www.vahighways.com/route-log/va001.htm
(formerly major)
Quote from: froggie on October 01, 2014, 09:26:40 AM
QuoteMississippi fairly major (rough grid)
Had the grid been created before the US highway routes were, then probably. But since the state routes came after, MS 1 was relegated to the area where US 61 wasn't already near the river...I'd argue that it isn't major.
It's a major tourist route (the Great River Road).
Quote from: froggie on October 01, 2014, 09:26:40 AM
QuoteVermont no (could have existed, given that 3 was created in the late 1920s, but never did)
Per VTrans, VT 3 wasn't created until 1941...and then only by petition. Not sure yet why Vermont didn't post lower numbers, unless they were trying to avoid initial confusion with the rest of the New England route system.
VTrans is full of shit (or you're misinterpreting information about when the state took over maintenance). Check the map on page 14 of ftp://vtransmaps.vermont.gov/Maps/Publications/Historical/1927Doc_full.pdf (and the table on page 82). The part north of Center Rutland had been 4B, but for whatever reason it was renumbered 3 rather than 7B.
Quote from: froggie on October 01, 2014, 09:26:40 AM
QuoteVirginia no
http://www.vahighways.com/route-log/va001.htm
(formerly major)
Yes, I left out stuff that disappeared by the 1920s, since almost every state outside the Northeast had a 1.
You may be misinterpreting (pg 2) (http://ftp://vtransmaps.vermont.gov/Maps/Publications/Historical/History_byRoute.pdf) some as well (http://ftp://vtransmaps.vermont.gov/Maps/Publications/Historical/Outline_History_VTStateHwys.pdf) (pgs 3 and 5)...
Yes, Vermont had state aid routes in the 1920s, but with two exceptions (see below) the state only supervised maintenance and construction and didn't actually partake in it...that was all left to the towns. The state highway system, where the state fully took over maintenance and construction, wasn't officially created until 1931. Prior to that, the only two roads that the state maintained were the Sand Bar Road and Bridge in Milton (now US 2 through the state park) and the old Peru Turnpike (which was eventually realigned and became VT 11/30) in Winhall..
Who gives a shit if VT 3 wasn't state maintained until 1941? It was clearly numbered by 1927.
Quote from: NE2 on October 01, 2014, 04:10:02 AM
Maryland no (US 1)
I know you were avoiding pre-1926 roads, but I think it's worth pointing out that US 1 would have been MD 1 anyway from Baltimore to Washington, and most likely would have continued as MD 1 up towards Philly.
From MDRoads.com:
"Baltimore-Washington Blvd was referred to as "State Road No. 1" for legislative purposes, although it is very unlikely that it was ever signed as MD 1. It was signed as US 1 beginning with the 1926 inception of the US highway system.
Here is the relevant document. From the 1908 Code of the Public Local Laws of Maryland: [link]
1908, ch. 304, sec. 1. B. Co. C. (1916), sec. 554. 1928, sec. 650.
650. A public highway to be known as State Road No. 1 shall be constructed between the cities of Washington and Baltimore, the course of which, as near as practicable, shall be along the route of the old Baltimore and Washington Road; provided, however, that said State Road No. 1 shall be constructed upon the present roadbed of the Baltimore and Washington Road from Waterloo, in Howard County, to the Village of Halethorpe, Baltimore County, and entering the City of Baltimore at Columbia Avenue, the bed of which, so far as the same is vested in the State or the several counties through which it passes, hereby dedicated by way of easement or fee simple, as the case may be, to the public use."
http://www.mdroads.com/routes/us001.html
Quote from: formulanone on October 01, 2014, 08:51:41 AM
Which begs the next question...
What's the lowest state road number that exists in the most number of states?
For Utah, it's US-6, but as far as the beehives are strictly concerned, it's SR-7 (St. George's Southern Parkway).
QuoteWho gives a shit if VT 3 wasn't state maintained until 1941? It was clearly numbered by 1927.
But VTrans doesn't see it that way, as (except for the US routes post-1926) they didn't consider the state-aid and federal-aid routes to be actual highway routes. The state legislature didn't authorize a highway system until 1931.
Quote from: NE2 on October 01, 2014, 04:10:02 AM
Arizona no (most numbers are 60+, as if they wanted the lowest number to be a U.S. Route)
I believe they were going for some coherence with the US routes that pass through their state. of the initial signage, 61 was the lowest state route, and anything above 99 was a spur of the corresponding two-digit number. (numbers like 24, 51, 101, 143, etc all came much later.)
Quote from: formulanone on October 01, 2014, 08:51:41 AM
Which begs the next question...
What's the lowest state road number that exists in the most number of states?
MD 2.
does 10, 11 or 98 exist in all 50 states, either as a state, US or interstate route?
given that Alaska does not go above 11, with the exception of 98, and several states do not have single-digit routes, I think these three are the logical candidates for appearing in all 50 states.
Vermont does not have a "10", though they do have a "10A". They also do not have a "98".
Minnesota used to, but no longer has a "98" at the state+ level.
Louisiana: has LA 10, I-10, US 11, and LA 98 (no US route/ State route duplicates)
Mississippi: has I-10, US 11, and US 98 (interstate and US route numbers are not allowed on state routes)
Texas: TX 10, TX 11, and TX 98 (and I-10)
Arkansas: AR 10, AR 11, and AR 98
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 01, 2014, 02:43:01 PM
does 10, 11 or 98 exist in all 50 states, either as a state, US or interstate route?
given that Alaska does not go above 11, with the exception of 98, and several states do not have single-digit routes, I think these three are the logical candidates for appearing in all 50 states.
New Jersey does not have 11 or 98, so combined with Vermont not having 10, we've nipped that in the bud pretty quickly. :-(
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 01, 2014, 02:43:01 PM
does 10, 11 or 98 exist in all 50 states, either as a state, US or interstate route?
given that Alaska does not go above 11, with the exception of 98, and several states do not have single-digit routes, I think these three are the logical candidates for appearing in all 50 states.
A quick look at Wiki yields:
10 - AL, AK, AR, CO, CT, DE, FL, GA, IL, IN, IA, KS, KY, LA, ME, MD, MA, MI, MO, MT, NE, NH, NJ, NY, NC, ND, OH, OK, OR, PA, RI, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VT, VA, WS, WV, WY, for a total of 41 existing 10s.
11 - AK, AR, CO, CT, DE, FL, GA, HI, ID, IN, KY, ME, MI, MN, MO, NE, NH, MN, NC, ND, OH, OK, OR, SC, SD, TN, TX, VT, WS, WI, WY, (CA is proposed) for a total of 31 existing 11s.
98 - AK, AZ, AR, CA, GA, HI, IL, IA, KS, KY, LA, ME, MA, MO, NE, NY, NC, OH, OK, PA, RI, TN, TX, VA, WV, WI, for a total of 26 existing 98s.
Of the three, 10 is the most common, even in states with US-10 (MI, MN, ND).
It's more than that, since agentsteel specified state, US, or Interstate. Adding those in, I think just it's Idaho (which used to have US 10) and Nevada for the number 10.... Phooey...
(P.S. Washington is WA, not WS.)
(P.P.S. Froggie, I'm horribly disappointed in you, providing false information and making me look bad... :P)
Quote from: Brandon on October 01, 2014, 03:46:02 PM
11 - AK, AR, CO, CT, DE, FL, GA, HI, ID, IN, KY, ME, MI, MN, MO, NE, NH, MN, NC, ND, OH, OK, OR, SC, SD, TN, TX, VT, WS, WI, WY, (CA is proposed) for a total of 31 existing 11s.
What's the proposal for CA 11? Extending I-11 from Las Vegas to Reno and then northwest along US 395 into California?
Quote from: Laura on October 01, 2014, 01:02:41 PM
Quote from: NE2 on October 01, 2014, 04:10:02 AM
Maryland no (US 1)
I know you were avoiding pre-1926 roads, but I think it's worth pointing out that US 1 would have been MD 1 anyway from Baltimore to Washington, and most likely would have continued as MD 1 up towards Philly.
I doubt this, except insofar as it was the most important road in the state. The law doesn't say they had to sign it as MD 1 or anything; it could have easily gotten any other number had the U.S. Routes not come along.
Quote from: froggie on October 01, 2014, 02:30:00 PM
QuoteWho gives a shit if VT 3 wasn't state maintained until 1941? It was clearly numbered by 1927.
But VTrans doesn't see it that way, as (except for the US routes post-1926) they didn't consider the state-aid and federal-aid routes to be actual highway routes. The state legislature didn't authorize a highway system until 1931.
You're utterly full of shit. Arguing the same way, from the same sources, U.S. Routes didn't exist in Vermont until 1931 (except for the few segments of pre-1931 state highway). You should know better than to conflate numbering with maintenance.
A game on this forum a few years ago prompted me to put this table together: http://www.filedropper.com/50statehighwaysgame
There are 47 states with a signed state, US, or interstate highway numbered 10. Hawaii, Idaho, and Nevada are the 3 that don't. County routes were not considered when making this table so I don't know if any of those states have a signed CR 10.
Based on the data in that spreadsheet, here is every signed state/US/I route number from 1-200 that appears in 30 or more states.
47 states: 10
42 states: 14, 16
41 states: 5, 22, 24, 25
40 states: 2, 3, 15, 18, 20
39 states: 8, 11, 12, 17, 19, 30, 37, 78, 95
38 states: 6, 7, 9, 26, 27, 35
37 states: 1, 13, 23, 28, 32, 41, 66, 80
36 states: 31, 34, 39, 40, 43, 53, 58, 63, 64, 75, 120
35 states: 4, 36, 45, 47, 50, 52, 59, 67, 70, 83, 85, 101, 110
34 states: 21, 33, 38, 44, 51, 60, 61, 62, 65, 71, 72, 77, 89, 90, 94, 113, 115
33 states: 56, 81, 93, 97, 109, 116, 121, 136
32 states: 29, 46, 55, 82, 84, 91, 92, 99, 103, 104, 114, 117, 119, 127, 128
31 states: 48, 49, 68, 74, 79, 96, 100, 140
30 states: 54, 57, 73, 76, 87, 102, 105, 112, 123, 137, 150, 152, 160
Quote from: Duke87 on October 01, 2014, 11:17:07 PM
A game on this forum a few years ago prompted me to put this table together: http://www.filedropper.com/50statehighwaysgame
Cool...thanks for that!
Quote from: Kacie Jane(P.P.S. Froggie, I'm horribly disappointed in you, providing false information and making me look bad... :P)
You're the one that didn't associate VT 10A with 10...:)
Quote from: NE2You're utterly full of shit. Arguing the same way, from the same sources, U.S. Routes didn't exist in Vermont until 1931 (except for the few segments of pre-1931 state highway). You should know better than to conflate numbering with maintenance.
US routes were a different matter entirely. They were signed in faith, but the roads they were signed on weren't necessarily state highways. And it wasn't the only case of US routes being routed/signed along roads that were not state highways...Minnesota had a few US route segments along what were officially county roads until 1933. If you want to disbelieve Vermont law and VTrans documentation because it doesn't fit your view, that's your prerogative.
Quote from: kkt on October 01, 2014, 04:09:46 PM
What's the proposal for CA 11? Extending I-11 from Las Vegas to Reno and then northwest along US 395 into California?
Much more modest -- new road to an additional border crossing in San Diego's Otay Mesa area.
Show me a source that says that VT 3 was not numbered in the 1920s by the state as a town-maintained state aid highway and I'll shit a brick.
PS: VT 23 is not in your sources. Therefore it doesn't exist.
PPS: if you don't trust official sources from the 1920s, here are pre-1941 unofficial maps that have VT 3: http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~33736~1171452:N-H-,-Vt- http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~258631~5522105:Rand-McNally-Road-map--Maine,-New-H