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Title: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: roadman65 on October 08, 2014, 02:31:16 PM
I was noticing that in New York City you have both I-78 and I-87.

Furthermore, Chicago has a US 14 and US 41.

Both cities not only have exact opposite numbering of a specific two numbers making up one whole number, but in the same designations as well.

Are there any such other locations (not whole states or large regional areas) that have reverse order of numbers in the same designation?
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: akotchi on October 08, 2014, 02:49:53 PM
West of Lansing, MI, there is I-69 and I-96.  They even share pavement for a short distance.
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: PurdueBill on October 08, 2014, 02:59:18 PM
New Castle PA has US 224 and 422. 

Akron OH has SR 162 and 261 (consecutive exits off I-77 and nearby exits on SR 21).

Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: hotdogPi on October 08, 2014, 03:29:56 PM
MA/NH 13 and MA/NH 31 don't quite touch, but they parallel each other for most of their length, and their closest points are 2.5 miles away.
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: Brandon on October 08, 2014, 03:57:15 PM
Illinois

Same Designation:

IL-38 meets IL-83 in Oakbrook Terrace

Different Designations:

I-74 crosses IL-47 in Mahomet
IL-54 ends at US-45 in Onarga
US-34 ends at IL-43 in Berwyn
US-51 shares pavement with IL-15 in Ashley

Otherwise, outside of the aforementioned US-14 and US-41 in Chicago, Illinois seems to avoid this, even with differing designations.
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: US71 on October 08, 2014, 07:51:36 PM
In South Dakota, US 81 crosses US 18.

Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: hbelkins on October 08, 2014, 10:33:43 PM
WV 16 and WV 61 are concurrent north of the Oak Hill area.

US 25 and KY 52 are concurrent in Richmond.

US 23 and KY 32 intersect in Louisa.
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: sandiaman on October 09, 2014, 03:07:04 PM
This is the reverse of what you are looking for,   before the interstates existed, Gallup NM  was at the intersection of US 66 & US  666, all sixes  and before the road was US 66 it was state 6.
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: Henry on October 09, 2014, 03:17:45 PM
I-85 and US 58 meet in South Hill, VA.
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: admtrap on October 09, 2014, 03:56:33 PM
Not quite reversed, but US 101 meets State Route 110 (and implies a meeting with, but doesn't quite actually touch, Interstate 110) in Downtown Los Angeles.

If you don't mind a different way to reverse numbers, just a few miles north of that point, used to be the junction of US 99 and US 66 (now Interstate 5 and SR 110)

But for actual as-intended by the OP reversal, the only SoCal one I can think of is the junction of SR 91 and SR 19 in Cerritos.



Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: TheStranger on October 09, 2014, 04:15:33 PM
The only other California example I can think of: (former) Route 12 at Route 21 (now I-680) in Fairfield, pre-1976.
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: hbelkins on October 10, 2014, 11:23:52 AM
Here's one in Virginia:

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2936/14120295142_5084f12b3a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nvLcNw)

Tazewell has VA 16 (and Alt. VA 16) and also VA 61. Turn that 6 upside down and you also have VA 91 there.
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: mhh on October 10, 2014, 11:30:26 AM
Quote from: akotchi on October 08, 2014, 02:49:53 PM
West of Lansing, MI, there is I-69 and I-96.  They even share pavement for a short distance.
The similarity between the numbers causes a lot of confusion!
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Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: Rushmeister on October 10, 2014, 12:07:10 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 10, 2014, 11:23:52 AM
Here's one in Virginia:

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2936/14120295142_5084f12b3a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nvLcNw)

Tazewell has VA 16 (and Alt. VA 16) and also VA 61. Turn that 6 upside down and you also have VA 91 there.

I can't quite figure out why, but I am terribly fixated on this image.  Maybe it's like one of those advertisements that has subliminal messages buried in it.  I don't know.  I just can't put my finger on it. 

Guess it must be the trash bags.
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: JCinSummerfield on October 10, 2014, 02:04:32 PM
The Lansing example (I-69 & I-96) is the only example of two interstates, I believe.
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: hotdogPi on October 10, 2014, 02:25:16 PM
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on October 10, 2014, 02:04:32 PM
The Lansing example (I-69 & I-96) is the only example of two interstates, I believe.



Using only existing numbers, with one even digit and one odd digit (otherwise they would parallel), for 2dis:
27 and 72: Too far apart.
49 and 94: Too far apart.
69 and 96: These seem to be the only ones that touch.
78 and 87: Barely misses by a few miles.
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: hbelkins on October 11, 2014, 12:14:54 AM
Quote from: 1 on October 10, 2014, 02:25:16 PM
Using only existing numbers, with one even digit and one odd digit (otherwise they would parallel), for 2dis:
27 and 72: Too far apart.

But Chattanooga does have US 27 and 72.

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Interesting that even though these are two mainline interstates, Michigan gives preference to I-96 over I-69.
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: bulldog1979 on October 11, 2014, 02:24:28 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 11, 2014, 12:14:54 AM
Interesting that even though these are two mainline interstates, Michigan gives preference to I-96 over I-69.
I-96 was there first, which is why it has the priority. In Port Huron, I-94 similarly has the priority over I-69 as well for the same reason.
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: vtk on October 11, 2014, 06:20:49 AM
OH 19 and OH 61 in Galion. Not so much reversed digits as turning the whole number upside down, but that seems particularly appropriate considering the two routes have a wrong-way overlap.
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: Rover_0 on October 11, 2014, 02:05:01 PM
There's US-89 and AZ-98 in Page, AZ, and while not a technical flip, I-215 and UT-152. That 215/152 interchange is about it for Utah.
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on October 12, 2014, 05:52:27 AM
Quote from: admtrap on October 09, 2014, 03:56:33 PMIf you don't mind a different way to reverse numbers, just a few miles north of that point, used to be the junction of US 99 and US 66 (now Interstate 5 and SR 110)

And the single digit version (That is, US 9 and US 6) is a concurrency in Peekskill NY (Along with US 202, which is the reverse of itself).
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: xcellntbuy on October 12, 2014, 06:26:19 AM
NY 23 and NY 32 are concurrent in Cairo, NY in Greene County.
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: english si on October 12, 2014, 08:48:17 AM
Is this (https://maps.google.com/?ll=55.648657,-4.452853&spn=0.022399,0.066047&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=55.64826,-4.453233&panoid=eKI9D6mSgGq2w1rsM-PnOA&cbp=12,7.84,,1,-1.37) cheating? This (https://maps.google.com/?ll=51.5992,-0.226936&spn=0.024658,0.066047&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=51.599282,-0.227244&panoid=OiXmceV6pP9BBV8WaQBTKg&cbp=12,291.99,,0,-0.82), this (https://maps.google.com/?ll=51.303762,0.927958&spn=0.012409,0.033023&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=51.30359,0.928031&panoid=OIcS474bkXRy6HOGU1VU1Q&cbp=12,211.15,,0,-2.87), this (https://maps.google.com/?ll=51.491498,-0.298369&spn=0.006179,0.016512&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=51.491433,-0.298159&panoid=KGlYNg7b7bbw0RREATgIUQ&cbp=12,79.85,,1,0.79), this (https://maps.google.com/?ll=53.979297,-2.784915&spn=0.023345,0.066047&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=53.979297,-2.784915&panoid=A63dYe-fuXtk7CRWk2N8qQ&cbp=12,351.64,,0,0.76), this (https://maps.google.com/?ll=55.833518,-3.929372&spn=0.022294,0.066047&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=55.833214,-3.929202&panoid=XJDh4I4Am0rLIHiA_yOumw&cbp=12,338.07,,0,8.54) and this (https://maps.google.com/?ll=55.998513,-3.720374&spn=0.011099,0.033023&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=55.998462,-3.719813&panoid=kuf_zNfVDAl0MTndKrLNsQ&cbp=12,88.92,,1,0.88) certainly are!

There's also this (https://maps.google.com/?ll=53.783715,-2.328736&spn=0.046908,0.132093&t=m&z=14&layer=c&cbll=53.783715,-2.328736&panoid=_nV96rTGQlDFFZZAWe6vAA&cbp=12,179.91,,1,1.78) (and the A56 is de facto concurrent with the M65 towards Burnley. There was once a historic A34/A43 cannon (they bounced off each other) at a roundabout north of Oxford, but I believe that is it.
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: sandwalk on October 12, 2014, 09:10:16 AM
I honestly can't think of any off of the top of my head for Ohio.  However, a couple of 'confusing' (for some people, anyway) junctions/concurrencies come to mind from my hometown area. 

State Route 13 and State Route 113 are concurrent near Milan, Ohio.  Also, State Route 61 intersects with State Route 601 near Norwalk, Ohio.
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: TEG24601 on October 12, 2014, 12:32:43 PM
Quote from: bulldog1979 on October 11, 2014, 02:24:28 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 11, 2014, 12:14:54 AM
Interesting that even though these are two mainline interstates, Michigan gives preference to I-96 over I-69.
I-96 was there first, which is why it has the priority. In Port Huron, I-94 similarly has the priority over I-69 as well for the same reason.


It is also because, unlike convention, the exit numbers are based off of I-94 and I-96, not I-69.  That is still the most annoying thing I find about Interstate Concurrencies.  Why, does I-15 get priority over I-90 in Butte, even though 90 is the straight road, and I-15 gets on, then off, and all the exit numbers don't make sense for those driving on I-90?
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: roadfro on October 12, 2014, 03:33:52 PM
Quote from: TEG24601 on October 12, 2014, 12:32:43 PM
That is still the most annoying thing I find about Interstate Concurrencies.  Why, does I-15 get priority over I-90 in Butte, even though 90 is the straight road, and I-15 gets on, then off, and all the exit numbers don't make sense for those driving on I-90?

It is fairly common practice among highway agencies. When highways of equal status overlap, the lower numbered route is usually considered the primary route for reference point (milepost) continuity, and thus, exit number continuity. (The MUTCD's only mention of overlaps is that an Interstate must take reference point continuity above an overlapping lower-class highway.)
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: WNYroadgeek on October 12, 2014, 10:33:27 PM
NY 36 and NY 63 intersect each other in York, and again in Dansville (both in Livingston County).
NY 13 and NY 31 intersect each other in Lenox (in Madison County).
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: Charles2 on October 12, 2014, 10:57:47 PM
AL-14 and AL-41 junction in Selma.
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on October 13, 2014, 11:24:48 AM
CO-96 ends at CO-69 in Westcliffe.
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: robbones on October 13, 2014, 09:30:48 PM
Macon, MO US 63 & US 36 intersect each other.
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: robbones on October 15, 2014, 06:41:05 AM
Quote from: akotchi on October 08, 2014, 02:49:53 PM
West of Lansing, MI, there is I-69 and I-96.  They even share pavement for a short distance.

US 69 & US 96 in Beaumont, Texas shares pavement as well. IIRC this is the only instance where both numbers share pavement as a US and Interstate highway.
Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: hbelkins on October 15, 2014, 11:08:12 AM
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Title: Re: Reverse route numbers in one location
Post by: hbelkins on October 15, 2014, 11:18:58 AM
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