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Title: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: hbelkins on October 27, 2014, 03:46:45 PM
Happens twice to US 74.

In North Carolina...

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8171/7887663406_4fe3a52157_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/d21kwE)

In Tennessee...

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FkChCCnw.jpg&hash=170e5d77dd6cdab4b046f0721920a40796bc2db2)
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: pianocello on October 27, 2014, 04:00:14 PM
GA 23 and US 23 have a concurrency for a while. This GSV is in Folkston, the southern end of the concurrency.

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.8316795,-82.0058448,3a,15y,312.62h,90.75t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s7DTNkoHHmdTbjZoOSKSAHw!2e0
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: oscar on October 27, 2014, 04:02:55 PM
The famous "three-legged" junction of QC 132 near Mont-Joli, Quebec.  QC 132 continues straight ahead around the Gaspe Peninsula, then curls back to end at itself here.  This baffled me the first time I saw the intersection, but I figured out what was going on by the time I went that way again two years later.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alaskaroads.com%2FQC132-three-legged-jct_DSC2870.jpg&hash=f7824e638c5dde5d68a707961eaa3e174fdb9608)
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: hotdogPi on October 27, 2014, 04:07:31 PM
Quote from: oscar on October 27, 2014, 04:02:55 PM
The famous "three-legged" junction of QC 132 near Mount-Joli, Quebec.  QC 132 goes straight ahead around the Gaspe Peninsula, then curls back to end at itself here.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alaskaroads.com%2FQC132-three-legged-jct_DSC2870.jpg&hash=f7824e638c5dde5d68a707961eaa3e174fdb9608)

Another route similar to that is MA 127 (not anymore, but it used to end at itself).

I-90 crosses NY 90 (no confusion because there is no interchange, just an overpass/underpass, and the fact that I-90 is always called the Thruway.).

It could also be argued that US 3 and MA 3 intersect. (Also, are 3 and 3A considered the same number? Nothing was mentioned about letters.)
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: Mapmikey on October 27, 2014, 04:14:31 PM
Virginia checks in with VA 319 everywhere you turn:
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2059736,-77.4534492,3a,75y,169.63h,78.48t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1smtZEndWDzDP20WY9bVzsNg!2e0

VA 376 also does this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.8349403,-77.2349987,3a,75y,89.44h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1snjvUHExQyeFhJd8N-caIzA!2e0

VA 358 does it with shields:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vahighways.com%2Ferrors%2F358error.jpg&hash=2aad00a1c31ca6679bd9c149240e8e6f88fd48c5)

Mapmikey
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: PHLBOS on October 27, 2014, 04:33:27 PM
Quote from: 1 on October 27, 2014, 04:07:31 PMAnother route similar to that is MA 127 (not anymore, but it used to end at itself).
If MA 127's no longer a loop through Gloucester & Rockport; where's MA 127's northern terminus?  It's still signed beyond MA 127A's northern terminus.

Quote from: 1 on October 27, 2014, 04:07:31 PM
It could also be argued that US 3 and MA 3 intersect.  (Also, are 3 and 3A considered the same number? Nothing was mentioned about letters.)
One could theoretically say that for every route X that intersects w/route XA or Business Route X.  I could be wrong, but I don't believe the OP's looking for that.
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: hotdogPi on October 27, 2014, 04:45:20 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 27, 2014, 04:33:27 PM
Quote from: 1 on October 27, 2014, 04:07:31 PMAnother route similar to that is MA 127 (not anymore, but it used to end at itself).
If MA 127's no longer a loop through Gloucester & Rockport; where's MA 127's northern terminus?  It's still signed beyond MA 127A's northern terminus.

It's still mostly a loop. Only the "northernmost" 1 mile was removed. It ends at the rotary with 128 now (it still crosses 128 once before that).
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: froggie on October 27, 2014, 05:08:50 PM
Not mentioned yet is US 27/GA 27 in Lumpkin, GA.
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: PHLBOS on October 27, 2014, 05:31:33 PM
Quote from: 1 on October 27, 2014, 04:45:20 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 27, 2014, 04:33:27 PM
Quote from: 1 on October 27, 2014, 04:07:31 PMAnother route similar to that is MA 127 (not anymore, but it used to end at itself).
If MA 127's no longer a loop through Gloucester & Rockport; where's MA 127's northern terminus?  It's still signed beyond MA 127A's northern terminus.

It's still mostly a loop. Only the "northernmost" 1 mile was removed. It ends at the rotary with 128 now (it still crosses 128 once before that).
The rotary, aka Grant Circle-aka Exit 11, is presently signed as TO 127 in the northbound direction and just simply WASHINGTON ST. for the southbound direction.  Such certainly gives the impression that 127 terminates somewhere north of the rotary.  There's no trailblazer signs supporting such either according to GSV.

Granted, this is OT; what was the reasoning behind the truncation?  If the direction cardinals were confusing for the loop part of 127, MassDOT could've just called it as LOOP 127 and used Inner & Outer Loop notations.

OTOH, MA 127 is fully signed at the MA 128 intersection with Eastern Ave. (Exit 10).
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: briantroutman on October 27, 2014, 06:13:36 PM
I-283 and PA 283 near Harrisburg. Having worked at both a AAA club in central PA as well as a hotel an exit away from this interchange, I can attest that trying to get much of the non-roadgeek public to understand this junction was an uphill battle.
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: hbelkins on October 27, 2014, 06:32:39 PM
Any interstate-to-state continuance (like the 283s in PA, several NY examples, 440 in Arkansas, etc.) would count.

Virginia's most famous example would be US/VA 360.
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: dgolub on October 27, 2014, 07:03:26 PM
There's an interchange of NY 27 and Nassau CR 27 on Long Island, although the latter is unsigned.
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: Mr. Matté on October 27, 2014, 07:11:16 PM
https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=40.316078,-74.192294&spn=0.007035,0.013937&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=40.315948,-74.192272&panoid=bfGOsfr24p2p4Iy3Yv-veA&cbp=12,142.84,,1,2.15 and pan around

You can go either south, north, or south on CR 4 from this point.
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: silverback1065 on October 27, 2014, 07:34:59 PM
In Indiana, I-64 and SR 64 in southern IN. 
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: NE2 on October 27, 2014, 08:33:32 PM
Florida renumbered two of these: SR 1 became SR A1A and SR 27 became SR 997.
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: cl94 on October 27, 2014, 09:59:30 PM
We could probably count New York's state route extensions of 3DIs at the mutual termini. Depending on where we place the northern terminus of I-787, it and NY 787 may or may not intersect at a mutual terminus.

NY 7 comes pretty darn close to US 7, but the latter is a few miles inside Vermont.

With signed county routes in Warren County, CR 8 intersects NY 8 and CR 9 "bumps" US 9. There are a couple cases in Erie County where an unsigned county route intersects a state route, as well.
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: theline on October 28, 2014, 03:15:56 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 27, 2014, 07:34:59 PM
In Indiana, I-64 and SR 64 in southern IN.

Where do the 64s cross? I'm missing it.
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: silverback1065 on October 28, 2014, 03:17:25 PM
Exit 118 on I-64 it's just west og New Albany. It's the sr 62/64 interchange
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: robbones on October 28, 2014, 04:19:44 PM
I 20 & GA 20 east side of Atlanta
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: roadman65 on October 28, 2014, 05:26:50 PM
Doesn't US 25 terminate at GA 25 in Brunswick, GA?

I still say QC 132 has the best scenario of all roads.
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: theline on October 28, 2014, 06:01:30 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 28, 2014, 03:17:25 PM
Exit 118 on I-64 it's just west og New Albany. It's the sr 62/64 interchange

Thanks. I didn't realize that SR 64 went that far east. I'm familiar with the western end.
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: robbones on October 28, 2014, 06:02:02 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 28, 2014, 05:26:50 PM
Doesn't US 25 terminate at GA 25 in Brunswick, GA?

Yes it does
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: formulanone on October 28, 2014, 07:56:05 PM

Quote from: robbones on October 28, 2014, 04:19:44 PM
I 20 & GA 20 east side of Atlanta

In Conyers, GA20 is signed north-south, while the interstate is signed east-west.
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: Charles2 on October 28, 2014, 11:19:34 PM
In Tuscaloosa County, AL, CR-59 has an interchange with I-20/59.  There aren't any CR-59 shields on I-20/59.
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: national highway 1 on October 29, 2014, 03:51:46 AM
In Matador, TX, TX 70 meets US 70.
http://goo.gl/maps/ExQ63 (http://goo.gl/maps/ExQ63)
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: halork on October 29, 2014, 04:11:46 AM
US-95 and AZ-95 meet at Quartzsite, Arizona.
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: 2Co5_14 on October 30, 2014, 12:46:43 PM
Quote from: pianocello on October 27, 2014, 04:00:14 PM
GA 23 and US 23 have a concurrency for a while. This GSV is in Folkston, the southern end of the concurrency.

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.8316795,-82.0058448,3a,15y,312.62h,90.75t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s7DTNkoHHmdTbjZoOSKSAHw!2e0

In that Google Streetview, GA-23 is actually incorrectly marked - the sign should be showing US 23 (south) at this point. SR 23 actually runs parallel a few blocks west of here and joins up with US 23 to the north of here. (I'm working on a drainage improvement project on this road and noticed that sign error before.  Too bad there won't be any sign replacements on this project.)

https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=30.838557,-82.006762&spn=0.000005,0.004128&cbll=30.838779,-82.006721&layer=c&panoid=F9Yw0lvZiBhwYbsPoYqJyw&cbp=12,29.98,,0,-0.88&t=h&z=19 (https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=30.838557,-82.006762&spn=0.000005,0.004128&cbll=30.838779,-82.006721&layer=c&panoid=F9Yw0lvZiBhwYbsPoYqJyw&cbp=12,29.98,,0,-0.88&t=h&z=19)
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: formulanone on October 30, 2014, 01:17:09 PM
Ah, forgot about Haines City, Florida's intersection between FL 17 and US 17/92.

(https://www.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=28.106672,-81.624183&spn=0.001493,0.002411&sll=32.898038,-99.107666&sspn=5.782059,9.876709&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=28.106672,-81.624122&panoid=dceqvu2h6rJNcLOMs_j54A&cbp=12,86.63,,0,10.91)
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: txstateends on October 30, 2014, 03:11:06 PM
Sometime in the next few years, those in or near (depending on the final decision) Lufkin, TX, can look forward to the crossing of (or maybe even the overlapping of) I-69 with US 69.
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: tidecat on November 04, 2014, 10:57:36 PM
If it ever gets built, I-66 should cross KY 66.
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: Jim on November 04, 2014, 11:30:13 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 27, 2014, 06:32:39 PMVirginia's most famous example would be US/VA 360.

They have a little extra information on the signs for that one:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teresco.org%2Fpics%2Fsigns%2F20080620%2Fva344us360va360.jpg&hash=7f632b09af5798265f1ef404b2047a3ce4947a69)
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: theline on November 05, 2014, 12:00:34 PM
^^ One could submit that for the redundant sign thread, I suppose, though the similar shape of the Virginia and US shields make the "State" and "US" banners quite useful. Interesting pic.
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: Brandon on November 06, 2014, 09:23:36 AM
Quote from: theline on November 05, 2014, 12:00:34 PM
^^ One could submit that for the redundant sign thread, I suppose, though the similar shape of the Virginia and US shields make the "State" and "US" banners quite useful. Interesting pic.

Of course, that sign could be made better by using California's US shield and the word "VIRGINIA" at the top of the state shield.
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: bugo on November 07, 2014, 12:59:02 AM
I-530 has an interchange with AR 530 in Pine Bluff
US 71B has a semi-interchange with US 71B in Fayetteville
Title: Re: When routes with the same number intersect
Post by: corco on December 06, 2014, 12:40:47 PM
Not quite the same, but still noteworthy:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corcohighways.org%2Fhighways%2Far%2F371%2F195to30%2F10.jpg&hash=05375e6aa83b320abcc4b89b563f0d73b266788a)