I was raised in the 70's and 80's and remember seeing the old guides signs for both NYSDOT and PennDOT use all text for US and State routes on freeway guide signs.
Then there was the original CT Turnpike signs that were white on blue that used the original "CONN" abbreviation for state routes along the turnpike and the NY Thruway would use "ROUTE" instead of US while the PTC would use "Route" for State routes.
Then New Jersey. although always using shield display on interstate guide signs would use text on LGSes though.
I was wondering if anyone misses those days of seeing US 1 written out as such, or PA 343 on I-78 written out, etc? I know we must move on, and this is not a political debate here or lets try not to bring in old verses new. Just typical remembering the good ole days things that we remember and wish to be again as the earlier times had some great memories or for nostalgic reasons.
While I prefer the asethetic of shields, it is sad that the old ones are becoming quite rare. I still remember this sign:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nysroads.com%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2FNY%2Flosp%2F100_2758-s.JPG&hash=1b6ee7079e17d0d6987a2018d9f685fef0fe8db5)
Here's the sign that replaced it:
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Driving the western park the the LOSP used to be an experience in going back in time. The time I took that second picture was an experience of a different sore (as you can see!).
Never really liked them growing up. Finding them today is now a treat though.
When I saw the title, I thought this thread would be about old signs spelling out "School" or "Children Playing" rather than the graphics we have now. I was just remarking to my wife that it's rather ironic that the symbol we saw on a sign for "playground" was a see-saw, a device that is being removed from parks for safety for the last decade or two.
Back on track, I seem to remember this in Ohio fairly recently, at least on distance signs, but I haven't been down I-75 for several years now. I don't remember if it was on exit signs or not.
Quote from: Alex on November 02, 2014, 04:43:40 PM
Never really liked them growing up.
I didn't care one way or the other as long as I could read them.
QuoteFinding them today is now a treat though.
Welcome to the club.
I-95 from Route 352 in Chester, PA to the Delaware border used to have exit and pullthrough signs in all caps on all lines (except for the interstate shield) all through the '70s and into the '80s.
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I remember seeing the last bit of original Connecticut Turnpike signage survive up until the '91-93 timeframe and asking myself when would ConnDOT get around to replacing it, since it was quite old, outdated, and unreadable (even during the day). Now I wish some of that signage was still around. I remember thinking the "Phase III" reflective button copy was so awesome when it was installed, but now it just annoys me and I can't wait til ConnDOT gets around to replacing it all with the new standard Phase IV with aligned tabs. Then 20 or 30 years from now, I'll be longing for button copy again. Funny how that works!
Does the spelled out "Garden State PARKWAY" signs on the Turnpike count?
Quote from: roadman65 on November 02, 2014, 03:50:32 PM
I was raised in the 70's and 80's and remember seeing the old guides signs for both NYSDOT and PennDOT use all text for US and State routes on freeway guide signs.
Then there was the original CT Turnpike signs that were white on blue that used the original "CONN" abbreviation for state routes along the turnpike and the NY Thruway would use "ROUTE" instead of US while the PTC would use "Route" for State routes.
Then New Jersey. although always using shield display on interstate guide signs would use text on LGSes though.
I was wondering if anyone misses those days of seeing US 1 written out as such, or PA 343 on I-78 written out, etc? I know we must move on, and this is not a political debate here or lets try not to bring in old verses new. Just typical remembering the good ole days things that we remember and wish to be again as the earlier times had some great memories or for nostalgic reasons.
I was a big fan of the old all-text signs. The thing I can't quite figure out is why NYSDOT apparently switched to them, at least in some parts of the state, in the late 60s. I have vague memories of outline state route shields along Interstate 81 in Oswego County prior to the sign rehab project in 1973, when they went to all text. I think I-81 also had the exit number on the bottom line of the sign prior to 1973 as well, but I have no photographic proof. And of course, if you look at my avatar, you would have found the outline shields as late as 1976.
This is the 2nd generation of signs along Interstate 81 (at least in Oswego Count), installed summer of '73.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.upstatenyroads.com%2Fassets%2F81hist4-lowres.jpg&hash=5cb012f9f7a08b39653a3132b9f5b75dc53c30a3)
I really liked seeking out this old format in the mid 80s:
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(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.upstatenyroads.com%2Fassets%2FEXIT87-2.jpg&hash=64a5c8ea563c8d2ca80640652874f045d43234db)
There are photos of the Interstate 87 (the Northway portion) from when the road was first built and though only the backside of an exit panel is shown, it's obvious that it doesn't have an exit "tab". I'm thinking that either the Northway didn't have exit numbers at first or the exit number was on the bottom line but again, no photographic proof of either.
How about these?
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=40.12788,-74.964395&spn=0.000006,0.00327&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=40.12783,-74.964829&panoid=mT2Pr-gPmzTtZisfqu8U4A&cbp=12,317.87,,0,-3.6 (https://www.google.com/maps?ll=40.12788,-74.964395&spn=0.000006,0.00327&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=40.12783,-74.964829&panoid=mT2Pr-gPmzTtZisfqu8U4A&cbp=12,317.87,,0,-3.6)
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=40.128079,-74.969142&spn=0.000003,0.001635&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=40.128079,-74.969398&panoid=JB5xImJNJ-VeuB4kmY0pOA&cbp=12,52.34,,0,-1.58 (https://www.google.com/maps?ll=40.128079,-74.969142&spn=0.000003,0.001635&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=40.128079,-74.969398&panoid=JB5xImJNJ-VeuB4kmY0pOA&cbp=12,52.34,,0,-1.58)
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=40.597917,-75.564566&spn=0.000001,0.000817&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=40.597917,-75.564694&panoid=Fyn570CIe3tEHnJSHg0ctg&cbp=12,78.64,,0,0.11 (https://www.google.com/maps?ll=40.597917,-75.564566&spn=0.000001,0.000817&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=40.597917,-75.564694&panoid=Fyn570CIe3tEHnJSHg0ctg&cbp=12,78.64,,0,0.11)
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=40.596272,-75.556823&spn=0.000001,0.000817&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=40.596343,-75.556875&panoid=2JpwveNaO1GQ3rXnOcD0UA&cbp=12,348.02,,0,-0.81 (https://www.google.com/maps?ll=40.596272,-75.556823&spn=0.000001,0.000817&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=40.596343,-75.556875&panoid=2JpwveNaO1GQ3rXnOcD0UA&cbp=12,348.02,,0,-0.81)
Still a few around in PA, at least when these GSV's were taken, although these links might find something different at some point.
They still have them on NY 25 at the interchange with NY 106/NY 107. In fact, there was one that needed to be replaced, and they replaced it with a new reflective sign that's text only, which is very unusual. Photo available at http://www.greaternyroads.info/roads/nystate/ny25/photogal/page3.
Quote from: upstatenyroads on November 02, 2014, 09:42:45 PM
The thing I can't quite figure out is why NYSDOT apparently switched to them, at least in some parts of the state, in the late 60s.
I wonder if it was cheaper (smaller sign/materials) or it was decided that the text line was easier to read than an outline shield at night. Both just guesses.
Maryland had a fair amount of all-text signs back in the day (for instance, the JFK Highway section of I-95 had mostly text signs, but nearly all of the signs on the Maryland portion of the Capital Beltway had shields).
I do not think I have ever seen an all-text sign in Virginia.
These are still around:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3935/15556185741_137c9f4110_z.jpg)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3948/15559718742_07d93cc501_z.jpg)
and in NY:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5279/14116077827_3231e192b7_z.jpg)
MA:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5573/14602082491_f318082b01_z.jpg)
NJ:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3851/15219632602_1026b28e88_z.jpg)
While they're surely inferior from both aesthetic and legibility standpoints, I do miss the all text guide sign legends–which were usually in button copy on dark, non-reflective green backgrounds.
In the late '80s and early '90s in Pennsylvania, it seemed like many if not most freeway guide signs were still of the all-text variety. But while legends with "US XX" and "PA XX" were common, Interstates were always represented by a shield–I never saw anything like "I-380 - Scranton - NEXT RIGHT" . Did any states use text for Interstate designations on freeway guide signs (excluding post-interchange mileage signs)? Or were there regulations preventing that?
Quote from: briantroutman on November 06, 2014, 04:34:31 PM
Did any states use text for Interstate designations on freeway guide signs (excluding post-interchange mileage signs)? Or were there regulations preventing that?
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I have no idea why.
I think I've come across some uses of ROUTE X for an Interstate in Virginia, where you use the intersecting road to reach the Interstate.
Quote from: NE2 on November 06, 2014, 04:40:25 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on November 06, 2014, 04:34:31 PM
Did any states use text for Interstate designations on freeway guide signs (excluding post-interchange mileage signs)? Or were there regulations preventing that?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.interstate-guide.com%2Fimages129%2Fi-129_ia_et_08.jpg&hash=285653b47643c3bea0508902f5f90aa89d95a67b)
I have no idea why.
I think I've come across some uses of ROUTE X for an Interstate in Virginia, where you use the intersecting road to reach the Interstate.
Off topic, the border on the shields on the left (as opposed to the borderless at right) makes them look like they were created in some program and photoshopped in.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on November 06, 2014, 08:05:09 PM
Off topic, the border on the shields on the left (as opposed to the borderless at right) makes them look like they were created in some program and photoshopped in.
That's Iowa standard (at least when that sign was created).
Only one left in Kentucky is on the Mountain Parkway at Exit 46 westbound. It was installed in the mid to late 1970s when every other sign that was installed had route markers.
I have a zillion pictures of it but am too lazy to find one to post; go look on www.millenniumhwy.net and find one.
The old text-only signs for the KY 395 exit on I-64 were replaced a couple of years after the road was widened.
There was also one on northbound I-75 for KY 22 at Dry Ridge; I think I have a photo of it too somewhere. It was replaced in a widening project as well.
I drive under these most days on my way home from work on NY 30 North coming off the bridge over the Mohawk River in Amsterdam.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teresco.org%2Fpics%2Fsigns%2F20130327%2Fdowntown.jpg&hash=dc494e92a64fc8b1c17604a14c7af039877b3dfc)
And this is just off the ramp marked above at the merge onto the tail end of the NY 5 East arterial:
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Quote from: NE2 on November 06, 2014, 04:40:25 PM
I think I've come across some uses of ROUTE X for an Interstate in Virginia, where you use the intersecting road to reach the Interstate.
Yay, found a few. Not all-text, but partly text:
(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/virginia100/va-117_nb_app_i-581_us-220.jpg)
(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/virginia010/us-011_220b_221_va-116_nb_app_us-460.jpg)
(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/virginia010/us-011_sb_app_us-011a_220b_221_460_va-116.jpg)
South Carolina checks in:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.5186227,-80.4349231,3a,75y,52.72h,86.08t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1spwK_z4YOTJk1LsUxk5pcmw!2e0
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8555148,-79.9891197,3a,75y,180h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1shtbwN1yWS9mkUxPocrHjOQ!2e0
The original BGSs at both of these locations were also text.
I'm trying to think of a Virginia example without a 'TO' in front of it...drawing a blank so far...
Mapmikey
Even though I'm on the younger side, yes, but only if button copy. While NYSDOT hates old signage, the Albany Area, Hudson Valley, NYC, and the Island used to have a lot more all-text than currently exists (practically none). 2 summers ago, Region 5 got rid of all signs on NY 198, the only all-text left in the region and the majority of button copy not on the Thruway system. Quite a shame, as many of them were still in good condition. One of those all-text signs was reflective and less than 5 years old.
Quote from: Mapmikey on November 06, 2014, 10:31:45 PM
I'm trying to think of a Virginia example without a 'TO' in front of it...drawing a blank so far...
Found one (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=38.146859,-79.064527&spn=0.012032,0.024784&cbll=38.146778,-79.068658&layer=c&panoid=YudVwrRdMQN4qjptnVochA&cbp=12,5.81,,0,-2.16&t=m&z=16), but it's nowhere near standard.
Some Illinois ones:
Partially text (IL-255 and I-255 have a "control" of "I-270" or "Interstate 270" - all text, no shields):
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=38.877804,-90.060478&spn=0.007108,0.009645&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=38.877724,-90.06051&panoid=emYpD9XtVPq9R-B6I6fRAw&cbp=12,194.53,,0,-7.21
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=38.675191,-90.024859&spn=0.007161,0.009645&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=38.675235,-90.025026&panoid=eUZ4qBu1vhD7QNfriE-Uow&cbp=12,298.41,,1,-11.31
(In Clearview nonetheless)
I-280:
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=41.455991,-90.54208&spn=0.004861,0.004823&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=41.455967,-90.542186&panoid=8M52y708pdnegUTFK5pEBg&cbp=12,282.94,,1,-3.1
I can't think of any in Florida. Maybe there's one for A1A, since that's become a street name as well as a route number.
Quote from: NE2 on November 06, 2014, 04:40:25 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on November 06, 2014, 04:34:31 PM
Did any states use text for Interstate designations on freeway guide signs (excluding post-interchange mileage signs)? Or were there regulations preventing that?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.interstate-guide.com%2Fimages129%2Fi-129_ia_et_08.jpg&hash=285653b47643c3bea0508902f5f90aa89d95a67b)
What a bizarre sight. Although I'm inclined to put this more into the "incompetency at the regional sign shop" category.
Quote from: NE2 on November 06, 2014, 08:44:53 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 06, 2014, 04:40:25 PM
I think I've come across some uses of ROUTE X for an Interstate in Virginia, where you use the intersecting road to reach the Interstate.
Yay, found a few. Not all-text, but partly text:
Quote from: Brandon on November 06, 2014, 11:23:05 PM
Some Illinois ones:
Partially text (IL-255 and I-255 have a "control" of "I-270" or "Interstate 270" - all text, no shields):
I've seen a few examples like the ones you've linked, but with them being in 20″/15″ mixed case letters and in the bottom half of the sign, they tend to behave more like destinations than route numbers. I have yet to see a 15″ letter/18″ numeral text replacement for an Interstate shield–akin to the PA examples Doofy linked. The "I-129" example comes closest so far.
Quote from: NE2 on November 06, 2014, 11:25:52 PM
I can't think of any in Florida. Maybe there's one for A1A, since that's become a street name as well as a route number.
There was the late 1990s text "SR 291" overhead on I-10 east between Exits 12 and 13. I have the vidcap of it somewhere on disc.
Unlike many of you, I never cared for the all-text signs. Why use all-text rather than an easily identifiable shield, which usually displays the number larger than text? And when you exit from the highway, the shield is generally present anyway; it'll rarely be all-text off the highway (exceptions are for street name blades, which will write out the route & number).
Maybe I'm just used to seeing them in PA too often or something.
Unfortunately since I'm young I really didn't get a chance to see any all-text signs with my own eyes. Looking at pictures of them online, I like how they look, however, I also feel like using shields communicates the point much better (reading text versus seeing the familiar shields), so I can't really say that I'm not glad they are phased out.
Region 4 still has some around the NY 15/NY 252 interchange, assuming they haven't been replaced in the last couple years (they're on the 2012 street view; ditto for the next one). Aside from these, the only one left in Rochester is on the Inner Loop, and its days are numbered.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nysroads.com%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2FNY%2Fny252%2F100_2798-s.JPG&hash=7c47ee6419c1461c4014e3ac99586eced300a94d)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nysroads.com%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2FNY%2Fil%2F100_3778-s.JPG&hash=873767a235a72d65100f8dfb46abacc486997718)
After reading the past couple of pages, I thought I should point out that the 2009 (current) edition of the MUTCD still permits route designations to appear in text and provides dimensions for them, although all of the art that showed text designations appears to have been removed.
In Kansas, text designations were used quite extensively (the original signing for the Kansas Turnpike, for example, had no guide-sign route markers except on certain special "Avoid Congestion--Take the Kansas Turnpike" signs which were placed near Wichita and Topeka), but now are hardly ever seen aside from post-interchange route confirmation signs (a type of mileage sign) and conventional-road mileage signs. Interchange sequence signs use shields more or less exclusively, the principal exception being state routes in Missouri.
There were some at the interchange of US 15 and US 220 in Williamsport. Have they been replaced with Clearview yet?
Quote from: hbelkins on November 07, 2014, 03:02:54 PM
There were some at the interchange of US 15 and US 220 in Williamsport. Have they been replaced with Clearview yet?
Was just there a few weeks ago. Sadly, the text signs are all gone :-(
Quote from: hbelkins on November 07, 2014, 03:02:54 PM
There were some at the interchange of US 15 and US 220 in Williamsport. Have they been replaced with Clearview yet?
You're referring to the first guide signs that I–as an infant strapped into the back of a "˜78 Subaru wagon–ever laid eyes on.
Almost all (if not all) of those signs have been replaced, in part through general replacement cycles, but also as part of reconstruction work on I-180, and more importantly, the complete reconfiguration of US 15 traffic patterns due to the SPUI on the Market Street Bridge.
But surprisingly, most are not Clearview. The vast majority (like this array (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Williamsport,+PA&ll=41.236479,-77.004268&spn=0.019379,0.044417&cid=10085217718063185289&hnear=Williamsport,+Lycoming+County,+Pennsylvania&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=41.23612,-77.00522&panoid=oMwkL1Yg4nTQFoUDTgeYDg&cbp=12,61.26,,0,-0.48)) are very smart-looking signs in FHWA E(m).
Quote from: vdeane on November 07, 2014, 01:31:29 PM
Region 4 still has some around the NY 15/NY 252 interchange, assuming they haven't been replaced in the last couple years (they're on the 2012 street view; ditto for the next one). Aside from these, the only one left in Rochester is on the Inner Loop, and its days are numbered.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nysroads.com%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2FNY%2Fny252%2F100_2798-s.JPG&hash=7c47ee6419c1461c4014e3ac99586eced300a94d)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nysroads.com%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2FNY%2Fil%2F100_3778-s.JPG&hash=873767a235a72d65100f8dfb46abacc486997718)
I saw the signs in the first photo a couple of weeks ago and honestly I was an excited road geek when I saw the old style signs. I don't know if it's the button copy or the all text format, but I find these older style signs to be better designed and more professional and consistent looking. I think they better conveyed a consistent message to the motorist. They hearken back to the days before computers doing everything and people actually thought what the sign should look like instead of treating it like a Word document.
Gosh I sound old.
Quote from: briantroutman on November 07, 2014, 05:37:55 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 07, 2014, 03:02:54 PM
There were some at the interchange of US 15 and US 220 in Williamsport. Have they been replaced with Clearview yet?
You're referring to the first guide signs that I–as an infant strapped into the back of a "˜78 Subaru wagon–ever laid eyes on.
Almost all (if not all) of those signs have been replaced, in part through general replacement cycles, but also as part of reconstruction work on I-180, and more importantly, the complete reconfiguration of US 15 traffic patterns due to the SPUI on the Market Street Bridge.
But surprisingly, most are not Clearview. The vast majority (like this array (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Williamsport,+PA&ll=41.236479,-77.004268&spn=0.019379,0.044417&cid=10085217718063185289&hnear=Williamsport,+Lycoming+County,+Pennsylvania&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=41.23612,-77.00522&panoid=oMwkL1Yg4nTQFoUDTgeYDg&cbp=12,61.26,,0,-0.48)) are very smart-looking signs in FHWA E(m).
I'm pretty sure I spotted one remaining all text sign assembly on US 15 south leading to the US 220 interchange in Williamsport, Pa. last weekend. I was headed the wrong direction else I would have grabbed a photo.
Quote from: upstatenyroads on November 07, 2014, 08:12:24 PM
I'm pretty sure I spotted one remaining all text sign assembly on US 15 south leading to the US 220 interchange in Williamsport, Pa. last weekend. I was headed the wrong direction else I would have grabbed a photo.
I completely forgot about this survivor (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Williamsport,+PA&ll=41.242796,-77.049898&spn=0.007188,0.014033&cid=10085217718063185289&hnear=Williamsport,+Lycoming+County,+Pennsylvania&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=41.242918,-77.049889&panoid=AVjewsgdBXTpRHzN4PtNqA&cbp=12,186.74,,1,-1.79) at the Fourth Street interchange.
Honestly, I'm okay with the shields instead of the text. The only reason I can see to seek the text signs is to prove they existed.
Quote from: upstatenyroads on November 07, 2014, 08:12:24 PM
I'm pretty sure I spotted one remaining all text sign assembly on US 15 south leading to the US 220 interchange in Williamsport, Pa. last weekend. I was headed the wrong direction else I would have grabbed a photo.
I was also heading north on US 15 when I was there 3 weeks ago. Had I known it was there, I would have U-Turned to grab a picture. Although, it was raining when I was there, so the picture likely would have turned out crappy. I guess this gives me an excuse to finish more of US 15 in the southbound direction :)
The ones on the US 11 interchange with I-80 are also gone now too....
from my Aug 2010 trip....
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi166.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu102%2Fctsignguy%2F2010%2520Get%2520the%2520Hell%2520Out%2520of%2520Town%2520Tour%2FDSCF0063.jpg&hash=574c9e7148681a2efeb083ae1e615fce633f63a3)
Quote from: GaryV on November 02, 2014, 05:10:28 PM
When I saw the title, I thought this thread would be about old signs spelling out "School" or "Children Playing" rather than the graphics we have now. I was just remarking to my wife that it's rather ironic that the symbol we saw on a sign for "playground" was a see-saw, a device that is being removed from parks for safety for the last decade or two.
Back on track, I seem to remember this in Ohio fairly recently, at least on distance signs, but I haven't been down I-75 for several years now. I don't remember if it was on exit signs or not.
ODOT always used shields. On the Ohio Turnpike, however, there used to be a mix of shield and text:
- Shields were always used on the "Exit 2 Miles" signs and the Trapezoid Exit signs.
- Text based numerals were on all signage in between.
This changed by the mid-late 80s as all text-based signs were converted to shields.
Quote from: upstatenyroads on November 07, 2014, 08:11:32 PM
I saw the signs in the first photo a couple of weeks ago and honestly I was an excited road geek when I saw the old style signs.
They'll probably be the last in Region 4, given that the Inner Loop from just south of Main St to Monroe Ave will be permanently closed in two weeks (though they keep moving that time forward; it was supposed to be last week for the longest time, then it was November 15, now it's the 21st).
Quote from: vdeane on November 08, 2014, 12:59:07 PM
Quote from: upstatenyroads on November 07, 2014, 08:11:32 PM
I saw the signs in the first photo a couple of weeks ago and honestly I was an excited road geek when I saw the old style signs.
They'll probably be the last in Region 4, given that the Inner Loop from just south of Main St to Monroe Ave will be permanently closed in two weeks (though they keep moving that time forward; it was supposed to be last week for the longest time, then it was November 15, now it's the 21st).
Hell, they'll be the last in Western New York. Region 5 has none left thanks to their aggressive sign replacement and everything in Region 6 is relatively new. I don't even remember seeing button copy in R6 anytime recently.
Quote from: NE2 on November 06, 2014, 04:40:25 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on November 06, 2014, 04:34:31 PM
Did any states use text for Interstate designations on freeway guide signs (excluding post-interchange mileage signs)? Or were there regulations preventing that?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.interstate-guide.com%2Fimages129%2Fi-129_ia_et_08.jpg&hash=285653b47643c3bea0508902f5f90aa89d95a67b)
I have no idea why.
I think I've come across some uses of ROUTE X for an Interstate in Virginia, where you use the intersecting road to reach the Interstate.
I could swear that somewhere on here I had read that this one and its partner that reads "ROUTE I-126" in SC (pics on Steve's I-26 SC page) are deliberate because somehow people were confusing "129" in a shield with "I-29" or something. Now why that hasn't carried over to every other 1xx 3DI in the country, I don't know....
Quote from: PurdueBill on November 09, 2014, 11:10:25 PM
Now why that hasn't carried over to every other 1xx 3DI in the country, I don't know....
Because Southerners from South Carolina and South Sioux City are dumb. Duh.
Quote from: PurdueBill on November 09, 2014, 11:10:25 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 06, 2014, 04:40:25 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on November 06, 2014, 04:34:31 PM
Did any states use text for Interstate designations on freeway guide signs (excluding post-interchange mileage signs)? Or were there regulations preventing that?
I have no idea why.
I think I've come across some uses of ROUTE X for an Interstate in Virginia, where you use the intersecting road to reach the Interstate.
I could swear that somewhere on here I had read that this one and its partner that reads "ROUTE I-126" in SC (pics on Steve's I-26 SC page) are deliberate because somehow people were confusing "129" in a shield with "I-29" or something. Now why that hasn't carried over to every other 1xx 3DI in the country, I don't know....
A 1994 news paper article confirms that was the reason for the text I-126 signs at Columbia, SC.
https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=i0126sc
A correspondence with Iowa DOT in 2007 revealed the same rationale from the late 1990s for I-129 at Sioux City.
https://www.aaroads.com/blog/2007/05/02/interstate-129-in-text/
I believe that the Palisades interstate Parkway in New Jersey uses text for US 9W. It is funny because in New York when the PIP switched their all text signs for shield sign in 1987, New Jersey switched its new signs for texts. The only problem is how they word US 9W which is like this: RT 9 W instead of US 9W at both exits 2, 3, and 4.
The RT abbreviation and the W are both spaced out from the number 9 the same. Now the route header is supposed to be, but not the "W" as its part of the route number. Plus on Exit 2 the route number is beneath the control cities and not on top either. The PIP did do an excellent job on the rest like providing control cities in the proper form and standard exit tabs, but the Route 9W leaves a lot to be desired. Also Exit 4 should have control cities which it does not have.
Quote from: Alex on November 10, 2014, 12:26:58 AM
Quote from: PurdueBill on November 09, 2014, 11:10:25 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 06, 2014, 04:40:25 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on November 06, 2014, 04:34:31 PM
Did any states use text for Interstate designations on freeway guide signs (excluding post-interchange mileage signs)? Or were there regulations preventing that?
I have no idea why.
I think I've come across some uses of ROUTE X for an Interstate in Virginia, where you use the intersecting road to reach the Interstate.
I could swear that somewhere on here I had read that this one and its partner that reads "ROUTE I-126" in SC (pics on Steve's I-26 SC page) are deliberate because somehow people were confusing "129" in a shield with "I-29" or something. Now why that hasn't carried over to every other 1xx 3DI in the country, I don't know....
A 1994 news paper article confirms that was the reason for the text I-126 signs at Columbia, SC.
https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=i0126sc
A correspondence with Iowa DOT in 2007 revealed the same rationale from the late 1990s for I-129 at Sioux City.
https://www.aaroads.com/blog/2007/05/02/interstate-129-in-text/
How do these people survive in other places where I-80 and I-180, I-95 and I-195, etc. etc. etc. meet? Madness!
I suppose this is how those "I-I-195" shields in RI appeared? To appease the crowd who thinks that "195" inside an I-shield means "I-95"?
I have to admit - despite confusion - I do miss old school all text-non reflective button copy. I grew up on that in the 70s and 80s as well. :)
Quote from: PurdueBill on November 10, 2014, 11:01:37 AM
Quote from: Alex on November 10, 2014, 12:26:58 AM
Quote from: PurdueBill on November 09, 2014, 11:10:25 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 06, 2014, 04:40:25 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on November 06, 2014, 04:34:31 PM
Did any states use text for Interstate designations on freeway guide signs (excluding post-interchange mileage signs)? Or were there regulations preventing that?
I have no idea why.
I think I've come across some uses of ROUTE X for an Interstate in Virginia, where you use the intersecting road to reach the Interstate.
I could swear that somewhere on here I had read that this one and its partner that reads "ROUTE I-126" in SC (pics on Steve's I-26 SC page) are deliberate because somehow people were confusing "129" in a shield with "I-29" or something. Now why that hasn't carried over to every other 1xx 3DI in the country, I don't know....
A 1994 news paper article confirms that was the reason for the text I-126 signs at Columbia, SC.
https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=i0126sc
A correspondence with Iowa DOT in 2007 revealed the same rationale from the late 1990s for I-129 at Sioux City.
https://www.aaroads.com/blog/2007/05/02/interstate-129-in-text/
How do these people survive in other places where I-80 and I-180, I-95 and I-195, etc. etc. etc. meet? Madness!
I suppose this is how those "I-I-195" shields in RI appeared? To appease the crowd who thinks that "195" inside an I-shield means "I-95"?
On one hand, this seems thoroughly ridiculous. On the other hand, when I was a kid, my grandmother constantly referred to the freeway between LaGrange and Columbus as "I-85" (as opposed to the freeway from Atlanta to LaGrange, which was just "85").
Quote from: NE2 on November 06, 2014, 11:25:52 PM
I can't think of any in Florida. Maybe there's one for A1A, since that's become a street name as well as a route number.
Florida used to use the text shields on I-4 at the SR 528 interchange for decades. In 1990 or 91 it was when they went traditional with it and even later tried to text an outline of the latest toll acorn shape shields, but a few weeks later covered it up with the normal toll shields.
As far as all caps go, you had the FL 100 interchange in Flagler County before the exit numbers were installed in 1982, had "FLA 100" spelled out completely. Even though FL, to my knowledge, has always used the state road prefix instead of the state name in common talk for its state designations. Also even up to the mid 90's the exit for Busch Boulevard in Tampa along I-275 N Bound used "Fla 580" as a denotation for the route on the advanced guide leading up to it.
This may offend some of you, but I can't wait for SCDOT to replace the text signs at Exit 102 on I-95. They can include the name "Road 400" in the signs if they want, but they really should replace the text with US 15/US 301 shields.
I actually remember some all-text BGS's on I-75 in northern Kentucky that lasted until at least the late '80s. I think there was one that said "Ky 1072", for instance. And the BGS's for US 25 in Fort Mitchell said "Dixie Hwy North" and "Dixie Hwy South" - no mention at all of any route numbers.
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 20, 2015, 12:28:19 AM
This may offend some of you, but I can't wait for SCDOT to replace the text signs at Exit 102 on I-95. They can include the name "Road 400" in the signs if they want, but they really should replace the text with US 15/US 301 shields.
Many of the Road XXX signs in South Carolina have been replaced in recent years by their formal name, so there is hope that SCDOT will update it:
Road 13 (https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/south_carolina095/i-095_nb_exit_018_21.jpg) changed to show Bees Creek Road (https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/south_carolina095/i-095_nb_exit_018_05.jpg) on I-95.
Road 34 (https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/south_carolina095/i-095_nb_exit_062_22.jpg) changed to McLeod Road (https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/south_carolina095/i-095_nb_exit_062_04.jpg) on I-95.
Road 36 (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-026_eb_exit_159_02.jpg) changed to show Homestead Road (https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/south_carolina026/i-026_eb_exit_159_04.jpg) on I-26.
Quote from: Alex on January 20, 2015, 08:56:20 AM
Many of the Road XXX signs in South Carolina have been replaced in recent years by their formal name, so there is hope that SCDOT will update it:
Road 13 (https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/south_carolina095/i-095_nb_exit_018_21.jpg) changed to show Bees Creek Road (https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/south_carolina095/i-095_nb_exit_018_05.jpg) on I-95.
Road 34 (https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/south_carolina095/i-095_nb_exit_062_22.jpg) changed to McLeod Road (https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/south_carolina095/i-095_nb_exit_062_04.jpg) on I-95.
Those two, I've actually seen.