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Title: KEEP RIGHT sign on island that seperates traffic traveling in the same direction
Post by: Brian556 on November 14, 2014, 08:23:01 PM
This is in the Orlando, FL area.

Check this out on street view. On SR 436, at the new Red Bug Lake Road overpass, there is a KEEP RIGHT sign on an island that separates traffic traveling in the same direction. Boneheads.

https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.648992,-81.325383&spn=0.000002,0.001549&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=28.649066,-81.325474&panoid=QPo1k5-l8mdaxASYDkxcVg&cbp=12,115.53,,2,0 (https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.648992,-81.325383&spn=0.000002,0.001549&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=28.649066,-81.325474&panoid=QPo1k5-l8mdaxASYDkxcVg&cbp=12,115.53,,2,0)
Title: Re: KEEP RIGHT sign on island that seperates traffic traveling in the same direction
Post by: Zeffy on November 14, 2014, 08:28:38 PM
I was confused at first (was looking at the NO LEFT and NO RIGHT signs originally), but then I saw it. That's funny. I think a (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trafficsign.us%2F100%2Fwarn%2Fw12-1.gif&hash=06c02a37360f0f8da298794cd2d366f3d480a6e6) sign would work better here.
Title: Re: KEEP RIGHT sign on island that seperates traffic traveling in the same direction
Post by: kendancy66 on November 14, 2014, 09:02:52 PM
I was thinking the same thing.  My only concern would be traffic crossing over the intersection to go from one side to the other instead of only moving straight ahead.  But some would try to do that anyway
Title: Re: KEEP RIGHT sign on island that seperates traffic traveling in the same direction
Post by: NE2 on November 14, 2014, 09:36:05 PM
They used the wrong sign. Whatever.
Title: Re: KEEP RIGHT sign on island that seperates traffic traveling in the same direction
Post by: kj3400 on November 14, 2014, 09:46:32 PM
They were probably better off not putting a sign there at all.
Title: Re: KEEP RIGHT sign on island that seperates traffic traveling in the same direction
Post by: Brian556 on November 15, 2014, 12:18:25 AM
Come to think of it, the (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trafficsign.us%2F100%2Fwarn%2Fw12-1.gif&hash=06c02a37360f0f8da298794cd2d366f3d480a6e6) sign might not be a good idea either because it might encourage drivers to change sides at this intersection. This sign is typically only used at split point, which is further back in this situation. This situation is odd in that there is an intersection that involves a ramp like this. The Orlando area seems to be the capital of strange intersections. There are several oddballs in the area.

Also, there is a guide sign for traffic exiting the parking lot. Unfortunately, the front of it is not visible on street view. It would be interesting to see what it looks like. Wonder if it has mini-shields on it?

Title: Re: KEEP RIGHT sign on island that seperates traffic traveling in the same direction
Post by: Pete from Boston on November 15, 2014, 12:24:38 AM

Quote from: NE2 on November 14, 2014, 09:36:05 PM
They used the wrong sign. Whatever.

Signs are dumb anyway.
Title: Re: KEEP RIGHT sign on island that seperates traffic traveling in the same direction
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 15, 2014, 10:16:08 AM
There 125 pages of 'erroneous' signage that this would blend right into.  It would be doubtful a single person would have truly kept to the right because of this sign that was going straight.  It's possible, depending on the other signage in the area, that it may have confused someone turning in this direction though.
Title: Re: KEEP RIGHT sign on island that seperates traffic traveling in the same direction
Post by: KEK Inc. on November 15, 2014, 05:08:09 PM
I think the sign's intent is for traffic turning from the shopping center to go in the right carriageway instead of the center one.  I'm not sure what the sign facing the shopping center says, but it probably illustrates this better.

That said, the Keep Right sign probably should have been angled towards the shopping center, as it's slightly confusing for motorists on the central carriageway.
Title: Re: KEEP RIGHT sign on island that seperates traffic traveling in the same direction
Post by: Brian556 on November 15, 2014, 08:57:36 PM
Traffic coming out of the shopping center does not have to keep right of this island, they can go on either side. Surely the sign facing them tells them which side is which.
Title: Re: KEEP RIGHT sign on island that seperates traffic traveling in the same direction
Post by: mrsman on November 16, 2014, 07:50:54 AM
Check out the following sign, which is fairly common in California, but I haven't seen along the East Coast.

http://goo.gl/maps/T5ADq

Basically, it's a yellow diamond sign with one arrow pointing down-left.  It is used to show that a street has narrowed, so that the curb is now closer to the travel lane.  Essentially, the message it's conveying is that the curb is here, watch out.

I believe a sign like this would be perfect for the subject of this thread.  KEEP RIGHT makes no sense and the sign with two arrows doesn't work becuase that should be used only at decision points, and I believe that one is not allowed to switch roadways at that intersection.
Title: Re: KEEP RIGHT sign on island that seperates traffic traveling in the same direction
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 16, 2014, 10:09:33 AM
Really, it's just a misplaced sign.  Move it over to the next curb that actually is between two directions of traffic, and problem is solved.

It probably involves making a phone call to describe the error. 
Title: Re: KEEP RIGHT sign on island that seperates traffic traveling in the same direction
Post by: NE2 on November 16, 2014, 11:42:10 AM
Quote from: mrsman on November 16, 2014, 07:50:54 AM
Check out the following sign, which is fairly common in California, but I haven't seen along the East Coast.

http://goo.gl/maps/T5ADq
Maryland uses a variant on freeways:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.interstate-guide.com%2Fimages895%2Fi-895_md_st_16.jpg&hash=ee787e44e37ddeb30f296e6a4ec65277de5f5444)

I don't know what this has to do with 436/Red Bug.
Title: Re: KEEP RIGHT sign on island that seperates traffic traveling in the same direction
Post by: roadman65 on November 16, 2014, 11:57:45 AM
They had the same similar type of situation on Orange Blossom Trail at the Florida Turnpike Entrance with a keep right sign in the gore of the ramp leading onto the toll road.  Luckily enough, someone saw it and removed it.
Title: Re: KEEP RIGHT sign on island that seperates traffic traveling in the same direction
Post by: Mapmikey on November 16, 2014, 08:50:13 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 16, 2014, 11:42:10 AM
Quote from: mrsman on November 16, 2014, 07:50:54 AM
Check out the following sign, which is fairly common in California, but I haven't seen along the East Coast.

http://goo.gl/maps/T5ADq
Maryland uses a variant on freeways:
http://www.interstate-guide.com/images895/i-895_md_st_16.jpg

They exist in Virginia as well...

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.7835867,-77.1792338,3a,75y,180h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sCcarxSS5LJ7v79ViSaOB2g!2e0

Mapmikey
Title: Re: KEEP RIGHT sign on island that seperates traffic traveling in the same direction
Post by: SSOWorld on November 16, 2014, 09:09:49 PM
Quote from: mrsman on November 16, 2014, 07:50:54 AM
Check out the following sign, which is fairly common in California, but I haven't seen along the East Coast.

http://goo.gl/maps/T5ADq

Basically, it's a yellow diamond sign with one arrow pointing down-left.  It is used to show that a street has narrowed, so that the curb is now closer to the travel lane.  Essentially, the message it's conveying is that the curb is here, watch out.

I believe a sign like this would be perfect for the subject of this thread.  KEEP RIGHT makes no sense and the sign with two arrows doesn't work becuase that should be used only at decision points, and I believe that one is not allowed to switch roadways at that intersection.
I believe that they're trying to point out the lane being reserved for bikes - seems like a LA Municipal installation - I can't recall CalTrans doing such.
Title: Re: KEEP RIGHT sign on island that seperates traffic traveling in the same direction
Post by: NE2 on November 16, 2014, 10:38:43 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on November 16, 2014, 09:09:49 PM
I believe that they're trying to point out the lane being reserved for bikes - seems like a LA Municipal installation - I can't recall CalTrans doing such.
But it's not reserved for bikes. It's a parking lane, with sharrows in the driving lane. Though perhaps it is intended for cyclists, warning them to stay out of the parking lane.
Title: Re: KEEP RIGHT sign on island that seperates traffic traveling in the same direction
Post by: mrsman on November 24, 2014, 11:46:53 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 16, 2014, 10:38:43 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on November 16, 2014, 09:09:49 PM
I believe that they're trying to point out the lane being reserved for bikes - seems like a LA Municipal installation - I can't recall CalTrans doing such.
But it's not reserved for bikes. It's a parking lane, with sharrows in the driving lane. Though perhaps it is intended for cyclists, warning them to stay out of the parking lane.

It's used in many places even when there is no bike lane.  It's there to show that the curb is closer to the road at the yellow sign then it was before.