What are some three-digit roads that are longer than their parent? I can name two instances of this:
US 278 is longer than US 78, and will be even longer when US 78 is truncated after I-22 is completed (assuming that will happen). Currently, US 78 clocks in at 715 miles, and US 278 clocks in at 1,074 miles. Once/if US 78 is truncated, US 278 will then practically be twice as long as its parent, US 78.
Also: US 321 is longer than US 21. US 21 clocks in at 394 miles, and US 321 clocks in at 517 miles. Of course, though, US 21 used to be longer historically, but US 21 was truncated north of Virginia when I-77 took its place there.
Any other instances?
US 191 and 91. By a lot.
3 of US 21's current children are longer - 221, 321, and 421
Also, 191 is way longer than 91 (so is non-daughter 491)
281 is longer than 81
180 is longer than 80
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I don't think there are any 3di roads that are longer than their parents.
There are definitely some 3dUS routes that are longer than their parents, however.
Inside one state: I-676 is longer than I-76
Quote from: SteveG1988 on November 19, 2014, 09:02:03 PM
Inside one state: I-676 is longer than I-76
I-535 WI is longer than I-35 WI. Boned.
All the x78s in NYC
Yeah, we can do this in one state as well:
I-155 is longer than I-55 in Tennessee.
I don't know if this would count, US 271 is longer than US 71 in Texas.
I-238 is, of course, longer than the zero-mile I-38. :sombrero:
US 202 is longer than the eastern segment of US 2.
Quote from: Eth on November 19, 2014, 10:17:14 PM
I-238 is, of course, longer than the zero-mile I-38. :sombrero:
US 400 is also longer than the zero-mile US 0. :spin:
Quote from: NE2 on November 19, 2014, 09:04:20 PM
Quote from: SteveG1988 on November 19, 2014, 09:02:03 PM
Inside one state: I-676 is longer than I-76
I-535 WI is longer than I-35 WI. Boned.
Then there's I-275 IN, which is longer than the nonexistent I-75 IN! :rofl:
Quote from: hbelkins on November 19, 2014, 08:52:30 PM
I don't think there are any 3di roads that are longer than their parents.
There are definitely some 3dUS routes that are longer than their parents, however.
Quote from: freebrickproductions on November 20, 2014, 10:08:00 AM
Quote from: Eth on November 19, 2014, 10:17:14 PM
I-238 is, of course, longer than the zero-mile I-38. :sombrero:
US 400 is also longer than the zero-mile US 0. :spin:
Quote from: Zeffy on November 19, 2014, 10:17:46 PM
US 202 is longer than the eastern segment of US 2.
Quote from: robbones on November 19, 2014, 10:11:48 PM
I don't know if this would count, US 271 is longer than US 71 in Texas.
Sigh... :pan:
Quote from: hbelkins on November 20, 2014, 10:50:12 AM
Sigh... :pan:
I don't get it. While the title says '3di', the original post clearly states
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on November 19, 2014, 08:34:30 PM
What are some three-digit roads that are longer than their parent?
so all the posts here have been relevant to the OP's query.
Quote from: Zeffy on November 20, 2014, 11:17:04 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 20, 2014, 10:50:12 AM
Sigh... :pan:
I don't get it. While the title says '3di', the original post clearly states
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on November 19, 2014, 08:34:30 PM
What are some three-digit roads that are longer than their parent?
so all the posts here have been relevant to the OP's query.
What about state routes? Any of those?
Quote from: SD Mapman on November 20, 2014, 11:48:41 AM
Quote from: Zeffy on November 20, 2014, 11:17:04 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 20, 2014, 10:50:12 AM
Sigh... :pan:
I don't get it. While the title says '3di', the original post clearly states
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on November 19, 2014, 08:34:30 PM
What are some three-digit roads that are longer than their parent?
so all the posts here have been relevant to the OP's query.
What about state routes? Any of those?
Depends on the state. Some, like Indiana, have 3 digit child routes; yet others, like Illinois, do not.
I don't know if you'd have it for state routes on a total length basis, but per county could work. If so, you can add NY 9N in Essex and NY 12B in Madison. Probably a few others as well.
Quote from: Zeffy on November 20, 2014, 11:17:04 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 20, 2014, 10:50:12 AM
Sigh... :pan:
I don't get it. While the title says '3di', the original post clearly states
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on November 19, 2014, 08:34:30 PM
What are some three-digit roads that are longer than their parent?
so all the posts here have been relevant to the OP's query.
3di refers specifically to interstates. Hence the "i." If he was interested in three-digit US routes, he should have put 3dUS in the subject line.
Quote from: SD Mapman on November 20, 2014, 11:48:41 AM
What about state routes? Any of those?
Not all states consider three-digit routes to be children of parents. That's certainly not the case in Kentucky.
Sorry hb, I guess I made a mistake. Even though 3di usually refers to interstates, I actually thought it was just short for "three digit," because of the "di." But maybe I should have just put "three digit" in the title. At least I now know 3di & 2di specifically refer to interstates. :rofl: :pan: :banghead:
US 81 - 1220 miles
US 281 - 1882 miles
US 206 is 130 miles in NJ. US 6 never enters the state.
And speaking of 130...
US 130 is 83 miles long in NJ. US 30 is 58 miles long. The starting point of US 130 doesn't branch from the parent, but rather meets with 30 at about the 1/3 point along the route (around MP 28) for about a mile. And 130 usually gets referenced at that point; not 30.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 20, 2014, 04:00:38 PMUS 206 is 130 miles in NJ. US 6 never enters the state.
Similar could be said about I-287 NJ but I-87 never entering the Garden State (though it gets close).
In Kentucky both US 231 and US 431 are longer than US 31. US 31E and US 31W are also both longer than US 31 within the Bluegrass State.
I'm guessing that US 250 is also longer than US 50 in both West Virginia and Virginia.
The parents of US 119 and US 150 never enter Kentucky. US 421 has a three-state run (IN, KY and TN) in which its parent is absent.
Quote from: hbelkins on November 20, 2014, 02:05:32 PM
Quote from: Zeffy on November 20, 2014, 11:17:04 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 20, 2014, 10:50:12 AM
Sigh... :pan:
I don't get it. While the title says '3di', the original post clearly states
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on November 19, 2014, 08:34:30 PM
What are some three-digit roads that are longer than their parent?
so all the posts here have been relevant to the OP's query.
3di refers specifically to interstates. Hence the "i." If he was interested in three-digit US routes, he should have put 3dUS in the subject line.
Quote from: SD Mapman on November 20, 2014, 11:48:41 AM
What about state routes? Any of those?
Not all states consider three-digit routes to be children of parents. That's certainly not the case in Kentucky.
That is all iffy in some states like NJ. NJ 133 is a child of NJ 33, but NJ 182 is not a child to NJ 82.
Quote from: hbelkins on November 20, 2014, 02:05:32 PM
Not all states consider three-digit routes to be children of parents. That's certainly not the case in Kentucky.
It is the case for several routes that were numbered before other 1xx routes: 111, 152, 155, and 181. (Other than 100, these are the only three-digit numbers on the 1930 official.) 162 may have also been numbered as a spur of US 62.
There are also recent four-digit examples, such as 3630 on old 30.
Quote from: NE2 on November 20, 2014, 09:46:56 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 20, 2014, 02:05:32 PM
Not all states consider three-digit routes to be children of parents. That's certainly not the case in Kentucky.
It is the case for several routes that were numbered before other 1xx routes: 111, 152, 155, and 181. (Other than 100, these are the only three-digit numbers on the 1930 official.) 162 may have also been numbered as a spur of US 62.
There are also recent four-digit examples, such as 3630 on old 30.
In Massachusetts, most 2xx are related to xx (or 113, in the case of 213), but 1xx is usually unrelated to xx.
You know its kind of hard to save three digit numbers to be children of two digit routes as there are not enough numbers to go around in many states.
I must say that MA is smart keeping the 2xx for child spurs as I doubt that Mass would ever go above 200 commissioned routes in a lifetime.
Delaware, brings up an interesting note, that it could reserve all of its 3 digits for spurs of its two digits being it has a small road network. Remember all of its current 3 digits are only commissioned because they cross state lines and are part of neighboring MD and PA's highway network as well hence DE 100, DE 273, DE 404, and DE 896. Even DE 299, which is not connected to any other state's network, was at one time connected to MD 299. DelDOT, or whoever they were originally, decided it was best to keep the numbers in continuity with their neighbors there to help better serve the motoring public.
US 266 is FAR, FAR longer than US 66.
And US 166 is EVEN longer than US 266.
Quote from: NE2 on November 20, 2014, 09:46:56 PM
It is the case for several routes that were numbered before other 1xx routes: 111, 152, 155, and 181. (Other than 100, these are the only three-digit numbers on the 1930 official.) 162 may have also been numbered as a spur of US 62.
111 doesn't intersect 11, and 152 doesn't intersect 52.
QuoteThere are also recent four-digit examples, such as 3630 on old 30.
It might be a stretch but there's a portion of old 150 that's numbered 2750.
And it varies how states use XYY numbers when they're not interstate related. Normally, a Odd XYY is a Spur off an interstate, and an Even XYY is a loop. In NJ, 47 is the parent. 147 acts as a spur leading to Wildwood, except there's a 3 mile gap between 47 & the beginning of 147, which actually starts at US 9. 347 is a loop (really, a shortcut) that connects to 47 on both ends.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 21, 2014, 12:16:31 PM
And it varies how states use XYY numbers when they're not interstate related. Normally, a Odd XYY is a Spur off an interstate, and an Even XYY is a loop. In NJ, 47 is the parent. 147 acts as a spur leading to Wildwood, except there's a 3 mile gap between 47 & the beginning of 147, which actually starts at US 9. 347 is a loop (really, a shortcut) that connects to 47 on both ends.
NJ 129 and NJ 29 are related, as are NJ 33 and NJ 133, but then you have examples such as NJ 79 and NJ 179
not being related in anyway whatsoever.
US 138 and US 199 who's parent routes no longer exist, as well as the 2 US 66 spurs.
Quote from: hbelkins on November 21, 2014, 12:06:05 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 20, 2014, 09:46:56 PM
It is the case for several routes that were numbered before other 1xx routes: 111, 152, 155, and 181. (Other than 100, these are the only three-digit numbers on the 1930 official.) 162 may have also been numbered as a spur of US 62.
111 doesn't intersect 11, and 152 doesn't intersect 52.
111 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mytravelphotos/4285912400/sizes/o/) at least implicitly connects to 11.
152 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mytravelphotos/4285912146/sizes/o/) may have never connected to 52, but the reason for numbering is clear.
WA-231 is longer than WA-23
Quote from: NE2 on November 21, 2014, 05:42:16 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 21, 2014, 12:06:05 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 20, 2014, 09:46:56 PM
It is the case for several routes that were numbered before other 1xx routes: 111, 152, 155, and 181. (Other than 100, these are the only three-digit numbers on the 1930 official.) 162 may have also been numbered as a spur of US 62.
111 doesn't intersect 11, and 152 doesn't intersect 52.
111 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mytravelphotos/4285912400/sizes/o/) at least implicitly connects to 11.
152 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mytravelphotos/4285912146/sizes/o/) may have never connected to 52, but the reason for numbering is clear.
I think I knew KY 37 for US 421, but I don't think I knew that KY 50 was on the US 62 routing. Only KY 50 I'd ever seen was on 421 between Frankfort and Lexington.
Quote from: hbelkins on November 21, 2014, 08:46:30 PM
I think I knew KY 37 for US 421, but I don't think I knew that KY 50 was on the US 62 routing. Only KY 50 I'd ever seen was on 421 between Frankfort and Lexington.
There were at least three 50s, ending up as US 62, US 421, and KY 512: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Kentucky/All-time_list
The last one was a rather minor 3-mile route, probably assigned because they weren't skipping any numbers.
Quote from: NE2 on November 21, 2014, 09:31:39 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 21, 2014, 08:46:30 PM
I think I knew KY 37 for US 421, but I don't think I knew that KY 50 was on the US 62 routing. Only KY 50 I'd ever seen was on 421 between Frankfort and Lexington.
There were at least three 50s, ending up as US 62, US 421, and KY 512: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Kentucky/All-time_list
The last one was a rather minor 3-mile route, probably assigned because they weren't skipping any numbers.
Got on that page and started clicking through to some of the links. The US 460 in Kentucky page has a bunch of errors, including mistaking Paintsville Lake for Fishtrap.
Quote from: hbelkins on November 20, 2014, 08:55:49 PM
I'm guessing that US 250 is also longer than US 50 in both West Virginia and Virginia.
And so is US 340 vs. US 40. Even US 522 in MD is longer than its segment of US 22. DE 141 is also longer than DE 41. RI 102 is longer than RI 2. CT 111 is longer than the finished CT 11 :), as are (not including roads where the 2 digit route doesn't exist) 127 vs. 27, 140 vs 40, 243 vs. 43, 169 vs. 69, 173 vs. 73, 178 vs 78 :), 179 vs. 79, 187 vs. 87, 189 vs. 89. NY 120A's section that straddles the NY border and even enters CT is longer than CT 120 itself (70 miles away)
Question about PA and 3Di's, are PA 413/513 spurs of US13 that are just unoffical? Since both do connect 13 to other places, and would make sense as a 3di US route (mostly for 413)
Quote from: SteveG1988 on November 23, 2014, 08:47:16 AM
Question about PA and 3Di's, are PA 413/513 spurs of US13 that are just unoffical?
Yes, they're unofficial. Someone snuck the signs up without PennDOT's blessing.
Actually they're spurs of 113: http://m-plex.com/roads/family1.html#pa13
Quote from: NE2 on November 23, 2014, 12:04:13 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 22, 2014, 10:37:54 PM
I don't know how Wikipedia works.
Heh. I know perfectly well how it works, which is why I take anything I see on Wiki with a two-ton truckload of salt.
I know in NJ any state route connected to another state route takes the out of state route number, PA73 and NJ73, with PA73 as the parent. Are there any other states with this rule, if so, are there any state rotues where the out of state parent is the shorter?
Quote from: SteveG1988 on November 23, 2014, 08:44:52 PM
I know in NJ any state route connected to another state route takes the out of state route number, PA73 and NJ73, with PA73 as the parent. Are there any other states with this rule, if so, are there any state rotues where the out of state parent is the shorter?
What's the parent and what's the child when both were created at the same time? Or even more confusingly, NY 17 was numbered to match NJ 17, but then NJ 17 became NJ 2 in 1927 and was renumbered NJ 17 in the 1940s to match New York.
DE 48 comes from NJ 48, which was once much longer but now DE 48 is longer.
BC 97 is about twice the length of US 97.
I've seen Vermont roads take NH route numbers when they cross the line but these designations never seem to last long and are purely for ease of the driver.
Example: NH 10A extends into Vermont as Vermont 10A. Vermont 10A has nothing to do with Vermont's own route 10. Luckily for Vermont drivers, this literally only lasts 0.5 miles so it doesn't cause confusion.
Vermont often takes New York numbers and it happened once the other way. These are VT 22A, VT 149, VT 67 (original number, but NY came first), VT 346, VT 313, VT 314, and NY 74.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on November 23, 2014, 09:32:56 PM
I've seen Vermont roads take NH route numbers when they cross the line but these designations never seem to last long and are purely for ease of the driver.
Example: NH 10A extends into Vermont as Vermont 10A. Vermont 10A has nothing to do with Vermont's own route 10. Luckily for Vermont drivers, this literally only lasts 0.5 miles so it doesn't cause confusion.
MA 114A is the prime example in Mass. of this, being related to RI 114, not MA 114. MA 295, numbered to match NY 295 and violating Mass's rules of otherwise unique numbering (US 3 and MA 3 being "the same" route in that world).
Bringing my post semi-onto the thread topic, I-495 in Mass is longer than I-95 in Mass. That's only semi-back onto topic, but better than nothing.
Why isn't MA 3 a part of US 3? It makes zero sense.
Quote from: bugo on November 24, 2014, 02:06:38 AM
Why isn't MA 3 a part of US 3? It makes zero sense.
Such has been discussed in past threads. The
likely thinking/rationale (or lack thereof)
may be due to the then-MassDPW not wanting an odd US route crossing east of US 1 or not interested in or not applying for such (prior to 1971, US 1 & Route 3 crossed into Boston from Cambridge via the B.U. Bridge).
Yes, I'm aware that such occurs in other locations (examples: US 9, 13 & 17) in other states but nonetheless that
could've been the thinking.
The 1926 plan had 6 south of 20. Might have been interesting if Massachusetts requested that 20 go southeast from Boston.
Where does US-127 fit in this discussion?
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on November 24, 2014, 06:13:17 PM
Where does US-127 fit in this discussion?
27's nearly twice as long as 127, even after 27 was truncated at Ft. Wayne and 127 took over the northern portion.