This HILL sign reminds me of a cross between the W8-2 DIP and the W7-6 HILL BLOCKS VIEW signs. Still it is somewhat odd in that it is a warning style sign with a fairly general warning. What do you think?
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8610/15660944050_68a64e9487_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pRUr3J)
Hill (https://flic.kr/p/pRUr3J) by Elliott Plack (https://www.flickr.com/people/88483799@N00/), on Flickr
Judging by how steep the hill looks, it's warranted. I could see someone gunning it at the light, not realizing that a giant incline was coming up and then doing some major damage as they roll down it.
I'm reading it as "Charles Street --- HILL". Perhaps not on the signal mast would be better?
Digging the custom font on CHARLES ST.–wonder how old that sign is?
Quote from: jakeroot on November 21, 2014, 11:18:17 PM
I'm reading it as "Charles Street --- HILL". Perhaps not on the signal mast would be better?
The mast is the vertical part–the arm is the horizontal part. Thus why the whole assembly is called a mastarm.
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 22, 2014, 03:42:33 AM
Digging the custom font on CHARLES ST.–wonder how old that sign is?
Quote from: jakeroot on November 21, 2014, 11:18:17 PM
I'm reading it as "Charles Street --- HILL". Perhaps not on the signal mast would be better?
The mast is the vertical part–the arm is the horizontal part. Thus why the whole assembly is called a mastarm.
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Quote from: Scott5114 on November 22, 2014, 03:42:33 AM
Digging the custom font on CHARLES ST.–wonder how old that sign is?
Looks like a C from one font and a HARLES from another.
http://goo.gl/maps/1ZueZ
Here's one the could also go in the "best of signs" thread: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6366654,-86.2190077,3a,75y,90h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1schu88E4fOUdfzFl2NuyXOg!2e0?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6366654,-86.2190077,3a,75y,90h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1schu88E4fOUdfzFl2NuyXOg!2e0?hl=en)
The simple message "HILL" is all that's needed when you have the advisory speed placard beneath.
Quote from: jakeroot on November 21, 2014, 11:18:17 PM
I'm reading it as "Charles Street --- HILL". Perhaps not on the signal mast would be better?
I don't think anyone's going to confuse the street sign and the Hill sign, if that's what you're saying.
I think it works better up there, since your eyes already have to look up there to see the signal.
Quote from: kj3400 on November 24, 2014, 04:34:42 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 21, 2014, 11:18:17 PM
I'm reading it as "Charles Street --- HILL". Perhaps not on the signal mast would be better?
I don't think anyone's going to confuse the street sign and the Hill sign, if that's what you're saying.
I think it works better up there, since your eyes already have to look up there to see the signal.
No they won't. But they might draw the conclusion that Charles Street has the hill, not Mulberry Street.
EDIT: talllguy (i.e. Elliott), it's on Charles and Mulberry, not Franklin.
Quote from: jakeroot on November 24, 2014, 05:02:40 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on November 24, 2014, 04:34:42 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 21, 2014, 11:18:17 PM
I'm reading it as "Charles Street --- HILL". Perhaps not on the signal mast would be better?
I don't think anyone's going to confuse the street sign and the Hill sign, if that's what you're saying.
I think it works better up there, since your eyes already have to look up there to see the signal.
No they won't. But they might draw the conclusion that Charles Street has the hill, not Mulberry Street.
Either way, it's true. The area's pretty hilly.
Many places in Michigan have opted for the yellow diamond with "Limited Sight Distance"
Quote from: jakeroot on November 24, 2014, 05:02:40 PM
it's on Charles and Mulberry, not Franklin.
Thanks. Those one-way pairs can be confusing.
Quote from: talllguy on November 24, 2014, 07:13:54 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 24, 2014, 05:02:40 PM
it's on Charles and Mulberry, not Franklin.
Thanks. Those one-way pairs can be confusing.
No problem. Sometimes they have the same names regardless so it's an understandable mistake.
Quote from: kj3400 on November 24, 2014, 06:14:32 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 24, 2014, 05:02:40 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on November 24, 2014, 04:34:42 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 21, 2014, 11:18:17 PM
I'm reading it as "Charles Street --- HILL". Perhaps not on the signal mast would be better?
I don't think anyone's going to confuse the street sign and the Hill sign, if that's what you're saying.
I think it works better up there, since your eyes already have to look up there to see the signal.
No they won't. But they might draw the conclusion that Charles Street has the hill, not Mulberry Street.
Either way, it's true. The area's pretty hilly.
Fair point. :cool:
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on November 24, 2014, 06:52:14 PM
Many places in Michigan have opted for the yellow diamond with "Limited Sight Distance"
I'd contend that "Limited Sight Distance" and "Hill" have different usages. When I've seen Hill, it's posted at the top of a long or steep downhill grade, to alert the driver to apply the brakes or maybe even downshift. That is certainly the usage in the example I posted. I've seen Limited Sight Distance used somewhere before the top of an upgrade, to warn that there could be unseen dangers over the hillcrest.
What about this, but with a road instead of a railway?
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EDIT: sorry for the double post. Not sure how I managed that.
Quote from: jakeroot on November 25, 2014, 08:54:26 PM
What about this, but with a road instead of a railway?
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EDIT: sorry for the double post. Not sure how I managed that.
That would make you think you're on the ridge and the crossroad has the bump.
Quote from: NE2 on November 25, 2014, 11:33:03 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 25, 2014, 08:54:26 PM
What about this, but with a road instead of a railway?
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EDIT: sorry for the double post. Not sure how I managed that.
That would make you think you're on the ridge and the crossroad has the bump.
I would assume the point of a "HILL" sign is to warn of low clearance for long vehicles, at the point just after the crossroad, where the road takes a dive (of sorts) towards the hospital.
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Quote from: JCinSummerfield on November 24, 2014, 06:52:14 PM
Many places in Michigan have opted for the yellow diamond with "Limited Sight Distance"
Wasn't that removed from the MUTCD a while back?
Quote from: US71 on November 30, 2014, 07:23:41 PM
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on November 24, 2014, 06:52:14 PM
Many places in Michigan have opted for the yellow diamond with "Limited Sight Distance"
Wasn't that removed from the MUTCD a while back?
If it was, someone should tell NJDOT. They installed a Limited Sight Distance sign just past my work's exit over the summer.
US71 is correct - HILL BLOCKS VIEW replaced LIMITED SIGHT DISTANCE in the 2003 MUTCD.
As for "HILL", I'd prefer if the word sign was eliminated and only the W7 series picture signs were used, but it doesn't keep me up at night.
You call that a hill? Seattle laughs. You can still see the next light from this intersection.