I know there is a thread similar to this topic on fictional highways, but this topic is to see what SR is signed as a 3di. For example, TN 840 is signed like I 840 and IL 394 is signed like I 394. What other SR follow this pattern?
What's the difference in signage between a 3DI and a state highway? Or do you mean they use the wrong shield?
Nevada has Clark County 215. California has former/future/who knows I-905, which is currently signed as CA-905.
Some are in anticipation of a future Interstate, others - are probably failed efforts.
California also has SR 110 and SR 238/I-238
I'm still not sure I'm clear on the question, but I can offer the reverse: I-878 is signed like a state route, NY 878.
We've certainly covered the topic of state routes whose numbering is derived from the 3di system, but I can't think of any cases where one is signed as such.
Quote from: empirestate on November 26, 2014, 05:56:59 PM
We've certainly covered the topic of state routes whose numbering is derived from the 3di system, but I can't think of any cases where one is signed as such.
MD 695 between I-97 and I-95 (northeast junction) is signed as I-695.
If we're talking about freeways signed as state routes, but with three-digit numbers that would fit into the grid as Interstates, Pennsylvania has PA 581 west of Harrisburg and PA 576 west of Pittsburgh.
PA 378 in Bethlehem was at one time I-378 but was downgraded to state route status when I-78 was rerouted from the Lehigh Valley Throughway (US 22) to a new alignment south of the city.
That is what I'm talking about briantroutman.
MN-610 is a mostly completed freeway around the northwest side of the Twin Cities. Only the westernmost link to I-94 has yet to be constructed (and it's about to begin). The east end is U.S. 10, hence the 610 number. It mirrors I-694.
This what you're after?
I think he is referring to numbered state route freeways with 3di implications, sort of like the state route extensions of Interstates such NY 390, NY 590, NY 481, IL 255, etc.
There are not a lot of candidates for this overall.
The Pennsylvania examples are already covered.
Vermont has two:
VT 191, though its not a full freeway but acts like a spur.
VT 289, meant to be I-289
Quote from: NE2 on November 26, 2014, 06:15:41 PM
Quote from: empirestate on November 26, 2014, 05:56:59 PM
We've certainly covered the topic of state routes whose numbering is derived from the 3di system, but I can't think of any cases where one is signed as such.
MD 695 between I-97 and I-95 (northeast junction) is signed as I-695.
Ah! Well, there you go.
Quote from: robbones on November 26, 2014, 08:25:57 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on November 26, 2014, 06:17:55 PM
If we're talking about freeways signed as state routes, but with three-digit numbers that would fit into the grid as Interstates, Pennsylvania has PA 581 west of Harrisburg and PA 576 west of Pittsburgh.
That is what I'm talking about briantroutman.
Oh, well in that case, we surely must have covered that before in this forum...no?
I agree with Alex in that there are surely a lot of candidates for this indeed.
Idk if proposed roads like this could count, but: Of my years of digging through the Internet searching up proposals for an outer Atlanta Beltway, IIRC, one of the numbering possibilities for the possible road was GA SR 485, which could also fit into the grid as I-485.
Virginia has SR 164 in the Hampton Roads area, and SR 895 in the Richmond area. SR 895 was supposed to get an Interstate designation, but some screw up by the state prevented that from happening. In addition, the numbering of SR 895 violates Virginia's state route numbering convention, as normally primary routes have numbers below 600.
There's SC-277 in Columbia, SC that's a spur off of I-77. Should be posted as an Interstate between I-77 & I-20 IMO.
AR has SR 440, 530, and 549. 440 is an extension of I 440, 530 is the future extension of I 530 (if I 69 ever gets built), and 549 is future I 49.
I don't think Ohio has any examples, though there are and have been several state routes that follow the 3dI pattern but with a US route as the parent.
I just noticed two possible candidates in the St. Louis area (SR 364 & SR 370):
http://prntscr.com/5aodp5
There's an AR 164 which branches off US 64 near Clarksville.
Carrroll County has AR 221 which crosses AR 21.
QuoteVT 289, meant to be I-289
Roadgeek legend. Did some research on this after I retired up here and concluded that VT 289 was never intended to be an Interstate (the "ultimate design" in the Circ Draft EIS made this abundantly clear). The initial idea of an "I-289" came from an MTR regular contributing to Kurumi's site.
QuoteVirginia has SR 164 in the Hampton Roads area, and SR 895 in the Richmond area. SR 895 was supposed to get an Interstate designation, but some screw up by the state prevented that from happening. In addition, the numbering of SR 895 violates Virginia's state route numbering convention, as normally primary routes have numbers below 600.
164 would theoretically fit, but its numbering in this particular case is coincidental. The Hampton Roads area is where the VA 16x routes are concentrated, and there's been a VA 164 in the area dating back to the mid-1930s.
As for 895, yes it technically violates the state route numbering system, but the number was approved by the Commonwealth Transportation Board, in part since Chesterfield nor Henrico Counties had a SR 895. Thus far, CTB has decided not to change it.
NY 495 is signed as I-495. It's the Lincoln Tunnel and it turns into NJ 495, both in terms of its official designation and what it's sign as, when it crosses the state line.
Joplin, Missouri has MO 249
CT had CT 291 from I-91 in Windsor to US 5 in South Windsor in anticipation of I-291 being finished (which it was from Windsor to Manchester). CT 184 and 195 have no relations to the 2DI, but one wonders if there is an unintentional connection between I-91 and CT 191. CT 244 is an old routing of US 44, and CT 302 is an old routing of US 202, so there are connections there.
It's not a freeway by any stretch of the imagination, but I've wondered whether PennDOT selected the PA 290 designation for Erie's Bayfront Connector because it serves much the same function an Interstate 290 would. It's both a loop into the city from I-90 and a connector to I-79.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on November 27, 2014, 02:38:09 PM
... CT 244 is an old routing of US 44 ...
Sorry, have to refute that one. US 44 has taken the same route through Ashford and Pomfret since its designation in 1935. Future CT 244 is the unimproved road passing by Ragged Hill:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fvf3N9KJ.png&hash=e8ae10c149d74554c0f60f3be7c4cce0b1ee5b13)
Even in the 1920s, SH 101 followed today's US 44 alignment, and future CT 244 didn't appear on the map [1927 here]:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FhKztb9J.png&hash=496d42da3dcd850a17e39e3560ee3eafb36878f5)
Wisconsin has WI 794, which is just an extension of I-794.
There's also Colorado's CO 470 and the E-470 toll road.
Argh, DandyDan posted WI 794 as I was typing it! That's the only one in Wisconsin.
Michigan has no freeway examples at any level. M-294 connects to I-94, but it's not a freeway. Future M-231 is named after the nearby US 31 freeway and may eventually become a freeway itself.
Connecticut doesn't do Indiana-style 3-digit branches for state routes -- at least geographically. But across time, as routes designations are changed, CT does (or did) this all the time. Some number changes, off the top of my head (and some of these are for portions of a route):
CT 109 -> 209
72 -> 272
72 -> 572 -> 372
72 -> 372
722 -> 222
529 -> 229
743 -> 243
854 -> 254
862 -> 262
863 -> 263
87 -> 287 (proposed, but ultimately not needed, long story)
89 -> 289
905 -> 305
909 -> 309
915 -> 315
816 -> 316
517 -> 317
418 -> 318
649 -> 349
But for the most recent unsigned to signed "promotions", they seemed to walk away from that:
611 -> 319 (not 311)
645 -> 234 (not 245)
622 -> 244 (OK, no x22's available)
750 -> 103 (not 250)
Quote from: froggie on November 27, 2014, 10:11:14 AM
164 would theoretically fit, but its numbering in this particular case is coincidental. The Hampton Roads area is where the VA 16x routes are concentrated, and there's been a VA 164 in the area dating back to the mid-1930s.
Disagree. CTB 1968-08 p. 41 lists potential expansions to the Interstate system, including what are now I-664, SR 164, and SR 288. The SR 164 designation first appears in 1969-04 p. 79. There's a very good chance it was numbered deliberately. Other nearby routes created at about the same time include 199 (1970), 239 (1968), and 249 (1970), none of which fit the clustering.
Quote from: DandyDan on November 27, 2014, 03:53:26 PM
Wisconsin has WI 794, which is just an extension of I-794.
Technically one would be correct on the WI-794, however that is not a full freeway :) It was intentionally signed such due to opposition to freeway being built forced it to be built as a parkway. The route designation extends all the way to College Ave (CTH-ZZ) though the parkway ends at Pennsylvania just a block south of Layton Ave. This is a scaled back plan that got shot down that had the Interstate extending to Racine and Kenosha.
IL-394 north of Sauk Trail.
IL-255.
Tennessee's 840.
And I think TN 381 in Johnson City should count, since it branched off the former I-181.
Also, Indiana's 265, which is an extension of I-265 and will eventually become I-265 when the bridge is finished.
NC 540, too.
Many of the New York cases (extensions) have already been mentioned, but I'd like to bring up a couple more. NY 531 is a freeway bypass of NY 31. NY 598 is a spur off of NY 298 connecting to NY 5. NY 404 is a former alignment of US/NY 204; similar are NY 417 (former routing of NY 17) and NY 415 (former routing of US/NY 15). In just about every case, though, New York just assigns a suffix to spur/bypass/alternate/former routings instead of putting a digit in front.
Quote from: hbelkins on November 27, 2014, 09:54:25 PM
And I think TN 381 in Johnson City should count, since it branched off the former I-181.
Probably coincidence, but I don't have the official maps to prove it.
I think Mississippi's 1xx loops and spurs could count here; as their US highways are upgraded and moved to bypasses, the old alignments through towns are sometimes kept on the books as 1xx highways. In most other states, these would probably be Business-bannered US highways. There are many examples, such as MS 198 a few times along US 98 east of McComb, and several MS 178s along old US 78 as 78 itself is moved onto bypasses in preparation to become I-22.
Quote from: getemngo on November 27, 2014, 03:54:01 PM
Argh, DandyDan posted WI 794 as I was typing it! That's the only one in Wisconsin.
Nope, you forgot WI 441 here in the Appleton area.
:nod:
Also:
-WI 110 - Before the adjacent US 45 freeway was opened on and along it between US 10 (Winchester interchange) and US(I)-41 in Oshkosh (Algoma interchange) a few years ago, WI 110 served that function between US 10 at Fremont and Oshkosh. The other direction of WI 110 still runs northward from US 10 at Weyauwega to US 45 at Marion. The now decommissioned Fremont-Oshkosh part of WI 110 was originally US 110 and before that, for a few years, was the final routing of the Yellowstone Trail.
-WI 241 - 27th St, ex US 41, in Milwaukee and adjacent southern Milwaukee County suburbs. The state highway was cut back to the south and redesignated as WI 241 when the northern part of the street was downgraded and US 41 rerouted to follow nearby I-94 a few years ago.
-WI 253 (old US 53) in the Spooner area.
-WI 310 between I-43/US 10 and WI 42 in Two Rivers. WI 310 is a straight ahead eastward extension from US 10 to the west from I-43, which turns southward on I-43 at that interchange.
-WI 341 (mostly hidden, only one sign exists, it's on a Miller Park parking lot access roadway) - Miller Park Way between I-94 (Stadium interchange) and WI 59 (National Ave) in Milwaukee. Road is ex US 41 and until 'I-41' becomes official and signed, US 41 still exists on the Stadium Freeway north of I-94. It may be renumbered to and signed as 'WI 175' when that new interstate designation is finalized - stay tuned.
Mike
What about CA-210 in the Inland Empire its a continuation of I-210.
Wasn't CA-480 supposed meet interstate standards from Marina District to Golden Gate but there was an I-480 from the Embarcadero to Financial District in San Francisco before being re designated as CA-480 prior to the Loma Prieta Quake.
Quote from: bing101 on November 28, 2014, 11:30:03 AM
Wasn't CA-480 supposed meet interstate standards from Marina District to Golden Gate but there was an I-480 from the Embarcadero to Financial District in San Francisco before being re designated as CA-480 prior to the Loma Prieta Quake.
No, originally I-480 was supposed to go from the Embarcadero to the Golden Gate as an elevated structure. Caltrans built the Embarcadero section that existed prior to the quake, but San Francisco turned down the rest of it in the late 1950s. The part that was built changed to CA 480 around the early 1960s, and the funds for I-480 completion were sent elsewhere.
In Arizona, SR 210 is supposed to eventually connect to I-10 in Tucson. If 210 was built as planned, it would have been a freeway.
In the 1980s, the current freeway system in the Phoenix area would have used mostly SR x10 and SR x17 numbers, but instead use the current SR 51, Loop 101, Loop 202 and Loop 303.
On one of the first maps of this area I've seen, NJ-90 was mistakenly signed as I-90. There are also 2 digit state routes in NJ that have 3 digit spurs like interstates would, e.g. NJ-47 has 147 and 347, NJ 29 has 129, and NJ-24 has 124
While in the planning stages someone at UDOT I conversed with mentioned possibly numbering the St. George-area Southern Parkway (SR-7) as SR-415 or SR-615, but later said it was not being planned as an Interstate-standard corridor. Also, he later said that it doesn't fit the Utah system (being high-numbered and all).
That said, I can see it eventually becoming an Interstate given enough time.
If I understand the original question correctly, WV has one example. WV 279 branches off I-79 north of Clarksburg and, currently ends at US 50. Second phase would be to continue from there back to I-79 south of Clarksburg, although there are no current plans to build it. It would form something of a bypass of Clarksburg, although none is needed.
I don't believe Texas has any, because TxDOT just doesn't work that way.
In Arizona, besides SR 210 mentioned previously, there is one that partially qualifies. SR 51 was originally planned to be numbered as either I-510 or SR 510, and they chopped off the zero. Quite a few that can be included if extended to 3dus routes. SR 189 and SR 289 are spurs of what used to be US 89. SR 195 is a spur of US 95. SR 260 is a double-sided spur of US 60. SR 266 and SR 366 are spurs of old US 666 (now US 191). SR 389 is a spur of US 89A.
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on November 27, 2014, 09:43:24 AM
I just noticed two possible candidates in the St. Louis area (SR 364 & SR 370):
http://prntscr.com/5aodp5
Yea MO-370 was supposed to become an Interstate but a dispute on the numbering with the AASHTO as MoDOT wanted it to be I-370 while AASHTO was only willing to allow it to be I-870 which was the last loop number left for I-70 in Missouri. See http://www.kurumi.com/roads/3di/i370.html for my source of info. As for extending MO-370 to US-67 Lindbergh BLVD. It would not serve the airport as you think but it is still a very great idea to give the Industral Area an Alt Route from only having to use I-270 or I-70 here, thereby relieving traffic on extremely busy highways there.
As for MO-364, even though the road is complete to I-64 the interchange is not yet up to Interstate Standards as MoDOT didn't have the money yet to complete it as such an interchange. I am sure once it gets upgraded there MoDOT will propose to the AASHTO to make it I-364. See http://www.interstate-guide.com/i-364_mo.html for sources on this. As for you exention there to US-67 Lindbergh BLVD. It is already built but can be upgraded to freeway by getting ride of the 2 grade intersections there and upgrading them to interchanges. It appears on the aerial image that there's plenty of room to do so. I bet MoDOT had this proposed as on of the projects on the Transportation Sales Tax issue that didn't pass earlier this year. (There was a ton of Sales Tax issues on the ballot during that election and they all lost, Missouri already has one of the highest sales tax rates. see source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/20/missouri-sales-tax-rates-ranked-14th-highest/ ) But that is another topic.
Other state routes in Missouri that I am aware of are MO-249 (Maybe one day become I-249 if they build a proper freeway connector at Carthage, MO) and MO-744 (Which is a former alignment of US-66 in Springfield but is very unlikely to become I-744 due to it being just a main city street and not a freeway. Upgrading this road to a freeway would destroy some Route 66 landmarks along with losing a ton of businesses along this corridor)
For a time in the mid-70s, what would become M-5 was proposed to be M-275 in Metro Detroit.
Quote from: cwf1701 on December 01, 2014, 11:11:29 PM
For a time in the mid-70s, what would become M-5 was proposed to be M-275 in Metro Detroit.
Yes, but that doesn't fit the question posed in the thread topic. The M-275 proposal was as an extension of I-275, not as its own loop or spur off I-75. M-294 connects to I-94, and although it doesn't loop back, it's numbered "like [a] 3dI" even though it's not a freeway.
I-205 and OR 205 have no relation, just coincidentally share numbers. Same with I-82 and OR 82, although a very loose argument could erroneously claim that OR 82's an 'extension' by way of I-84.
Many of the examples are mentioned on this Website:
http://chris295.tripod.com/
I'm surprised that no one mentioned MD 295 and DC 295; which are part of a longer road that also includes the Baltimore-Washington Parkway and I-295 itself! And then you also have VA 195, which runs into I-195 west of downtown Richmond.
QuoteI'm surprised that no one mentioned MD 295 and DC 295; which are part of a longer road that also includes the Baltimore-Washington Parkway and I-295 itself!
Perhaps because I-295/DC 295 do not directly connect to MD 295. It's a common misconception that it's all one route, but it really isn't. MD 295 officially ends at US 50, and arguably ends where NPS takes over jurisdiction just south of MD 175. The short freeway leg between US 50 and the DC line is actually MD 201, and is signed as such both from US 50 and coming off Eastern Ave.
Louisiana's system doesn't do this either. There is a LA 471 that branches off of US 71 near Colfax, but I think it is coincidental. 471 is an old routing of US 167, but that would have been before the 1956 renumbering.
Bumping this old thread because I wanted to make one titled "3 digit state routes with a US route parent", but this one is pretty much my thread idea, but more inclusive.
For state routes that are signed and act like 3di, my 3 examples already have been mentioned: MO 364, MO 370 and CO/E 470
Missouri is full of 3 digit state routes with a US route parent. MO 340 seems like a spur for US 40, both MO 267 and MO 367 seem like spurs for US 67. Not sure if MO 366 is a spur or just a former alignment of US 66; I heard conflicting reports of whether US 66 used Manchester Rd or Watson Rd through St. Louis, and Google Maps label both as Historic US 66. There's also MO 163 and MO 763 for US 63, and MO 740 for US 40 in Columbia.
Meanwhile, Ohio's examples are mostly used as interstate highway connectors from US routes. OH 435 connects US 35 to I-71, OH 450 connects US 50 to I-275, and OH 420 connects US 20 to I-80/90/280. There's also OH 835, which acts like a business loop of US 35 for what looks like Beavercreek (???).
If you're talking about freeways only, IN 912 and IN 641 are the only ones that would qualify, and maybe IN 265 though that's really an extension of a 3di that already exists and should be going away soon anyway.
If you remove the freeway requirement, every 3 digit state highway in Indiana has some similarities to 3di in that their number is based on a parent 2-digit route, but without the even/odd distinctions, and the requirement to connect as many run parallel (114 is a route parallel to 14 and 16 that is between them)
When ISTHA took over the Elgin-O'Hare Expressway and made it the Elgin-O'Hare Tollway, the roadway also got a route number from IDOT: IL 390. Fits the theme, here
That adds to the other 2 Illinois examples that had already been listed in IL 255 and IL 394
IL also has 3 digit state routes that are children of US routes: IL 250, IL 251, IL 267, IL 351, IL 336. IL 145 is debatable whether it is a child of US 45 in Southern IL - as it is located in the region of the state that has 14x numbered state routes. Not sure about IL 140 in relation to US 40 - close enough to make me wonder...
Of those, IL 336 should probably be deleted, since its current routing is 100% multiplexed - and its planned independent section, between Macomb and Peoria, has basically been cancelled. The stub of future never-IL 336 off I-474 west of Peoria is the only section of the "independent" section that got built
CA-905 in California is signed like a 3di due to its connection to I-5 in San Diego.
Not a 3di, but NC-74 Winston-Salem Beltway in North Carolina.
Once it is connected to US-52 north of Winston-Salem and I-74 southwest of the city, it will be redesignated as I-74.
IA has SR 471 which follows former US 71 between US 20 and IA 175 near Early. Both ends connect to US 71
Arkansas had a SR 471 from Rogers to Fayetteville, but it was renumbered.
MO 360 runs from I-44 to US 60
AR 365 is old US 65 but acts more like a "465" since both ends connect to US 65 (addendum: the north terminus is US 65B)
AR 367 follows old US 67, again more like a "4xx".
MO 571 runs from I-49 to I-49 at Carthage.
MO 371 St Joseph could be a 3d on a technicality, but it no longer connects to US 71 at either end.
May be others, but drawing a blank
WI-441 instantly comes to mind. WI-794 also but it's not a freeway and its number is more based off the 3di of the same name.
Quote from: bing101 on December 24, 2020, 12:31:13 PM
CA-905 in California is signed like a 3di due to its connection to I-5 in San Diego.
Ditto CA 110 and CA 210 v. I-10.
In an earlier posting that I made in this thread, I forgot WI 312 in Eau Claire, WI. Its west end is at US 12 on the city's west edge.
Mike
AZ 51 stems from a previous I-510 proposal (although the segment that connects to I-10 is not built to interstate standards).
Kentucky's four digit routes do this (at least newer 4 digits). But, it is not always consistent.
Quote from: getemngo on November 27, 2014, 03:54:01 PM
Michigan has no freeway examples at any level. M-294 connects to I-94, but it's not a freeway. Future M-231 is named after the nearby US 31 freeway and may eventually become a freeway itself.
Since this thread has been revived, I'll also mention a few in Michigan. Relatively new M-343 is now a spur of M-43. It used to be part of M-43.
Close-but-no-cigar:
M-227 partly is what used to be Bus US-27, which in itself was US-27 before the freeway was built. Of course, US-27 no longer exists in Michigan.
M-247 used to be part of M-47.
By complete coincidence: NH 101 and US 1. If US 101 didn't already exist, a few people on this forum would be calling for it to be upgraded (and extended over NH/VT 9 past its terminus so that it's not intrastate).
Not counting 905/210/110...
California examples of derivative routes:
Route 330 (former Route 30)
Route 371 (former Route 71)
Route 242 (former Route 24)
Route 46 (former US 466), not a 3 digit route, but still derivative of its former designation
Wyoming 585 appears on the surface like it was numbered as a spur between US 85 and Sundance.
Quote from: SSOWorld on November 27, 2014, 05:38:57 PM
Quote from: DandyDan on November 27, 2014, 03:53:26 PM
Wisconsin has WI 794, which is just an extension of I-794.
Technically one would be correct on the WI-794, however that is not a full freeway :) It was intentionally signed such due to opposition to freeway being built forced it to be built as a parkway. The route designation extends all the way to College Ave (CTH-ZZ) though the parkway ends at Pennsylvania just a block south of Layton Ave. This is a scaled back plan that got shot down that had the Interstate extending to Racine and Kenosha.
And possibly down to the Edens Spur/Mainline Edens interchange in Illinois had the upgrades and new alignment near the Wisconsin border not been cancelled.
Once in a while IDOT maps will still show a proposed corridor for what is probably the 794 corridor tying into the US 41 interchange at the north end of the Tri-State. Sheet 6 of 7 of this plan set from the November 2020 Letting is one example. (http://apps.dot.illinois.gov/eplan/desenv/110620/079-62N01/PLANS/PL-62N01-079.pdf)
Since this was resurrected, you can add IL-390 to this list
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 24, 2020, 12:29:51 PM
When ISTHA took over the Elgin-O'Hare Expressway and made it the Elgin-O'Hare Tollway, the roadway also got a route number from IDOT: IL 390.
Quote from: ET21 on January 14, 2021, 09:21:40 AM
Since this was resurrected, you can add IL-390 to this list
Noted.
MN-610
Also WI 318, running from US 18 on the west edge of Waukesha, WI due northward to I-94.
Mike
Quote from: 1 on December 25, 2020, 01:59:12 PM
By complete coincidence: NH 101 and US 1. If US 101 didn't already exist, a few people on this forum would be calling for it to be upgraded (and extended over NH/VT 9 past its terminus so that it's not intrastate).
...and NY-7, and northern PA-29...
CA-710 located near the CA-134@I-210 interchange is a state route but was originally going to be part of I-710 to Long Beach.
CA-380 (Proposed) was supposed to connect to I-380 in San Bruno.
Quote from: bing101 on January 16, 2021, 01:39:02 PM
CA-710 located near the CA-134@I-210 interchange is a state route but was originally going to be part of I-710 to Long Beach.
CA-380 (Proposed) was supposed to connect to I-380 in San Bruno.
California also has the opposite of this thread's title: A 3di numbered like a State Route - We love you, I-238!
MO Route 370.
AL-759 in Gadsden, AL. A small continuation of I-759 at its east end. Signed as AL-759 since the Interstate is planned to be extended to US-431 at some point. The latest plan has it being built as a parkway connector and not a interstate to get more funding for it. It may just be a permanent AL-759 if that's the case.
The segments of the Birmingham Northern Beltline (I-422) will be signed as AL-959 I believe until it's finished in the year 2245.
In a more literal sense, IN 265 and KY 841 are State Routes signed on a 3di - since AASHTO approved the East End Crossing in the Louisville area to be a part of I-265, yet neither KYTC nor INDOT have added the I-shield to the stretch
Quote from: bassoon1986 on December 08, 2014, 12:27:26 PM
Louisiana's system doesn't do this either. There is a LA 471 that branches off of US 71 near Colfax, but I think it is coincidental. 471 is an old routing of US 167, but that would have been before the 1956 renumbering.
I am beginning to think that TN SSR 243 is actually more coincidental in numbering than actually a supplanted routing number for the old US 43. If you look in Maury County you will also see that there is a SSR 245, SSR 246 and SSR 247 in the vicinity as well.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 21, 2021, 10:35:44 AM
Quote from: bassoon1986 on December 08, 2014, 12:27:26 PM
Louisiana's system doesn't do this either. There is a LA 471 that branches off of US 71 near Colfax, but I think it is coincidental. 471 is an old routing of US 167, but that would have been before the 1956 renumbering.
I am beginning to think that TN SSR 243 is actually more coincidental in numbering than actually a supplanted routing number for the old US 43. If you look in Maury County you will also see that there is a SSR 245, SSR 246 and SSR 247 in the vicinity as well.
LA 3049 is, I suspect, old US 71 north of Shreveport, but many years ago before anyone heard of I-49.
Quote from: US71 on January 21, 2021, 02:28:43 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 21, 2021, 10:35:44 AM
Quote from: bassoon1986 on December 08, 2014, 12:27:26 PM
Louisiana's system doesn't do this either. There is a LA 471 that branches off of US 71 near Colfax, but I think it is coincidental. 471 is an old routing of US 167, but that would have been before the 1956 renumbering.
I am beginning to think that TN SSR 243 is actually more coincidental in numbering than actually a supplanted routing number for the old US 43. If you look in Maury County you will also see that there is a SSR 245, SSR 246 and SSR 247 in the vicinity as well.
LA 3049 is, I suspect, old US 71 north of Shreveport, but many years ago before anyone heard of I-49.
You are correct. There are many other state routes that are old alignments of US 71. You can usually tell if they are parallel routes or are small loops. And especially if they are called Jefferson Hwy.
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I don't know if anybody here has mentioned anything about MO-744, just south of I-44 in Springfield, MO-765 in Sedalia, which is just east of US-65, and MO-759 in St. Joseph, just west of US-59. I guess another example could be the former MO-465 in Branson (before it was decommissioned in March 2020). US-65 through Branson is pretty much an expressway with multiple exit ramps, and MO-465 was also an expressway with two exit ramps, acting sort of as a bypass around Branson.
Quote from: TBKS1 on January 23, 2021, 05:01:14 PM
I don't know if anybody here has mentioned anything about MO-744, just south of I-44 in Springfield,
Yep, already mentioned:
Quote from: sawblade5 on November 30, 2014, 11:34:23 AM
MO-744 (Which is a former alignment of US-66 in Springfield ...
Quote from: TBKS1 on January 23, 2021, 05:01:14 PM
MO-765 in Sedalia, which is just east of US-65, and MO-759 in St. Joseph, just west of US-59. I guess another example could be the former MO-465 in Branson (before it was decommissioned in March 2020). US-65 through Branson is pretty much an expressway with multiple exit ramps, and MO-465 was also an expressway with two exit ramps, acting sort of as a bypass around Branson.
Neither US-65 nor US-59 is an Interstate, therefore none of those MO- routes are numbered like a 3d
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Quote from: dfwmapper on November 29, 2014, 12:45:18 PM
I don't believe Texas has any, because TxDOT just doesn't work that way.
In Arizona, besides SR 210 mentioned previously, there is one that partially qualifies. SR 51 was originally planned to be numbered as either I-510 or SR 510, and they chopped off the zero. Quite a few that can be included if extended to 3dus routes. SR 189 and SR 289 are spurs of what used to be US 89. SR 195 is a spur of US 95. SR 260 is a double-sided spur of US 60. SR 266 and SR 366 are spurs of old US 666 (now US 191). SR 389 is a spur of US 89A.
I think it's coincidence, but Lubbock has a Texas State Spur 327 that connects from US-62 to Texas State Loop 289. Loop 289 is a complete freeway loop, the only loop I can think of in Texas that is 100% a freeway and not an interstate loop. If Loop 289 ever got upgraded to a 3di, it would be I-227 possibly, making Spur 327 an candidate for an I-327.
Historically, both I-410 and I-610 were Texas State Loop 410 and Texas State Loop 610 respectively while they were undergoing upgrades to interstate standards in the 60s. When they were finished, Texas canceled the state highway designations in favor of the interstate numbers.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 25, 2021, 01:43:50 PM
Loop 289 is a complete freeway loop, the only loop I can think of in Texas that is 100% a freeway and not an interstate loop.
Is Loop 1 not entirely freeway? Granted that's not a physical "loop", but it's still a designated loop state highway.
Quote from: US 89 on January 25, 2021, 03:47:15 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 25, 2021, 01:43:50 PM
Loop 289 is a complete freeway loop, the only loop I can think of in Texas that is 100% a freeway and not an interstate loop.
Is Loop 1 not entirely freeway? Granted that's not a physical "loop", but it's still a designated loop state highway.
Everyone knows Loop 1 isn't a loop. I am referring to 360 degree freeway loops regardless of classification. Texas has a lot of loops that don't even have the Texas State Loop classification.