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Title: precedent: new Interstates don't have to end at crossing NHS routes
Post by: NE2 on November 28, 2014, 11:24:54 AM
From the May 2013 submission to AASHTO for the creation of I-2 (which was approved by FHWA):
QuoteIt would have logical termini, connecting directly to IH 69E/U.S. 77 and extending 46.8 miles to the limits of U.S. 83 access control near the junction of Showers Road where U.S. 83 continues as a high capacity principal arterial on the National Highway System.
What this means is that the "routes of the National Highway System that will adequately handle the traffic" (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2011-title23-vol1/pdf/CFR-2011-title23-vol1-part470-subpartA-appA.pdf) can be a single route that merely continues the Interstate corridor. It doesn't have to be at an intersection of two or more NHS routes (like I-26 ending at US 11W or I-795 ending at US 70).
Title: Re: precedent: new Interstates don't have to end at crossing NHS routes
Post by: bugo on January 21, 2015, 09:27:00 PM
I-49 on both sides of the Bella Vista Gap end at highways that aren't nationally important.
Title: Re: precedent: new Interstates don't have to end at crossing NHS routes
Post by: NE2 on January 21, 2015, 09:58:02 PM
I-49 was legislated like I-69.
Title: Re: precedent: new Interstates don't have to end at crossing NHS routes
Post by: Bickendan on January 22, 2015, 12:57:11 AM
And I-49 will eventually close the Bella Vista Gap, so the current 'violation' is moot anyway.
Title: Re: precedent: new Interstates don't have to end at crossing NHS routes
Post by: NE2 on January 22, 2015, 01:38:29 AM
Quote from: Bickendan on January 22, 2015, 12:57:11 AM
And I-49 will eventually close the Bella Vista Gap, so the current 'violation' is moot anyway.
Not really - FHWA has been anal about even temporary termini being at NHS routes. I-49 gets a pass because Congress said so.
Title: Re: precedent: new Interstates don't have to end at crossing NHS routes
Post by: bugo on January 22, 2015, 02:37:53 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 22, 2015, 01:38:29 AM
Quote from: Bickendan on January 22, 2015, 12:57:11 AM
And I-49 will eventually close the Bella Vista Gap, so the current 'violation' is moot anyway.
Not really - FHWA has been anal about even temporary termini being at NHS routes. I-49 gets a pass because Congress said so.

Actually they have been much more lenient as of late than they were say 15 years ago.
Title: Re: precedent: new Interstates don't have to end at crossing NHS routes
Post by: NE2 on January 22, 2015, 02:52:55 AM
Quote from: bugo on January 22, 2015, 02:37:53 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 22, 2015, 01:38:29 AM
Quote from: Bickendan on January 22, 2015, 12:57:11 AM
And I-49 will eventually close the Bella Vista Gap, so the current 'violation' is moot anyway.
Not really - FHWA has been anal about even temporary termini being at NHS routes. I-49 gets a pass because Congress said so.

Actually they have been much more lenient as of late than they were say 15 years ago.
Got an example other than I-2? Legislated corridors don't count.
Title: Re: precedent: new Interstates don't have to end at crossing NHS routes
Post by: bugo on January 22, 2015, 02:58:07 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 22, 2015, 02:52:55 AM
Quote from: bugo on January 22, 2015, 02:37:53 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 22, 2015, 01:38:29 AM
Quote from: Bickendan on January 22, 2015, 12:57:11 AM
And I-49 will eventually close the Bella Vista Gap, so the current 'violation' is moot anyway.
Not really - FHWA has been anal about even temporary termini being at NHS routes. I-49 gets a pass because Congress said so.

Actually they have been much more lenient as of late than they were say 15 years ago.
Got an example other than I-2? Legislated corridors don't count.

Some of the 3 digit interstates in North Carolina, the I-73/74 system (are these legislated numbers?), I-49 before it is complete...
Title: Re: precedent: new Interstates don't have to end at crossing NHS routes
Post by: NE2 on January 22, 2015, 03:15:32 AM
Quote from: bugo on January 22, 2015, 02:58:07 AM
Some of the 3 digit interstates in North Carolina, the I-73/74 system (are these legislated numbers?), I-49 before it is complete...
73/74 and 49 are legislated. The 3DIs in NC are examples of FHWA being anal: I-295 and I-840 are all signed as future.
Title: Re: precedent: new Interstates don't have to end at crossing NHS routes
Post by: bzakharin on January 22, 2015, 03:38:30 PM
What about I-195 in NJ ending at NJ-34? Why was that allowed to go past the US-9?
Title: Re: precedent: new Interstates don't have to end at crossing NHS routes
Post by: NE2 on January 22, 2015, 03:48:16 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on January 22, 2015, 03:38:30 PM
What about I-195 in NJ ending at NJ-34? Why was that allowed to go past the US-9?
If Interstates had to end at NHS routes back then, there would have been no spurs until the 1990s (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/nhsorigins.cfm).
Title: Re: precedent: new Interstates don't have to end at crossing NHS routes
Post by: BrianP on January 22, 2015, 03:52:38 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on January 22, 2015, 03:38:30 PM
What about I-195 in NJ ending at NJ-34? Why was that allowed to go past the US-9?
That part NJ 34 is a STRAHNET route which is part of the NHS since connects to Naval Weapons Station Earle.

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/nhs_maps/new_jersey/nj_newjersey.pdf