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Title: Misleading "TO hwy XX" signs
Post by: bugo on December 03, 2014, 09:02:04 PM
I can think of two instances in Oklahoma where signage marks "TO" a certain highway that makes sense going in one direction but not the other. The first one is in Tulsa on EB I-44 that says "EAST US 64/EAST OK 51/TO US 169". This is the best route to get to SB US 169. However, to get to NB US 169 you want to stay on I-44 because it's much quicker. The second instance is on NB Bypass US 59 in Poteau. There is a sign at the exit to US 59/271 that says "TO I-40". To get to I-40 westbound this would indeed be the correct way to go but to get to EB I-40 you would want to go straight onto OK 112, then hang a right at Pocola and follow US 271 to I-540 to get to I-40. It is 43 miles from Poteau, OK to Alma, AR via OK 112/I-540 while it is 70 miles via US 59/I-40. Are there any other examples in your area?
Title: Re: Misleading "TO hwy XX" signs
Post by: hotdogPi on December 03, 2014, 09:10:06 PM
MA 213 to I-93 or I-495 (whichever one you are not on)

Only useful if you going from I-93 in New Hampshire to I-495 toward Salisbury, or the same series of routes in the other direction. Otherwise, the I-93/I-495 interchange works better (assuming no traffic).
Title: Re: Misleading "TO hwy XX" signs
Post by: mtantillo on December 03, 2014, 09:35:12 PM
How about all of the "Alt to I-84" or "Alt to I-91" in CT? Almost all of those favor one direction over the other.
Title: Re: Misleading "TO hwy XX" signs
Post by: Takumi on December 03, 2014, 10:27:47 PM
For some reason I remember signs on VA 288 northbound that said TO I-95. The problem with that is that northbound VA 288 takes you away from I-95, and to get back to it you'd have to take 288 to VA 76 to I-195, which is several miles longer.
Title: Re: Misleading "TO hwy XX" signs
Post by: DandyDan on December 04, 2014, 12:49:40 AM
In Omaha, whenever you are on Center Street/W. Center Road or L Street (aka US 275/NE 92), at the intersections of the roads which have exits on I-80, there are arrows which point BOTH in the direction of I-80 AND straight ahead.  I am not sure why they have an arrow for straight ahead, although if you are westbound on either of those roads, technically, it is true east of the I-80/I-680 interchange.  The utter ridiculousness of the scheme is revealed when you are going east on US 275 (which is actually on Missouri Avenue from 20th St. eastward) and it tells you that the road to I-80 is straight ahead, over the South Omaha Bridge.  There's also one going west on L St. at 120th that says I-80 is straight ahead, even though it's behind you.  I also believe going northbound on NE 50 (144th Street) at Harrison, signage directs people going to I-80 to go straight, instead of to the east, which will take you almost to an actual I-80 exit.  I think in the end, it has to do with the statewide I-80 alternate route, except that Omaha doesn't use NDOR signing practices.
Title: Re: Misleading "TO hwy XX" signs
Post by: Mapmikey on December 04, 2014, 07:53:21 AM
Quote from: Takumi on December 03, 2014, 10:27:47 PM
For some reason I remember signs on VA 288 northbound that said TO I-95. The problem with that is that northbound VA 288 takes you away from I-95, and to get back to it you'd have to take 288 to VA 76 to I-195, which is several miles longer.

I want to say VA 76 westbound also has some TO I-95 shields, though that makes some sense at least...

The most egregious Virginia example that comes to mind is that on both VA 234 Bypass north and south, VA 28 south is signed on a BGS as TO US 17.  There is absolutely no reason anyone would ever use VA 28 from Manassas to do something on US 17 (18 miles away) unless they were specifically going to where 28 and 17 intersect (Bealeton).  So the BGS should just say Bealeton if that was the intent.

Mapmikey
Title: Re: Misleading "TO hwy XX" signs
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 04, 2014, 08:25:13 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on December 04, 2014, 07:53:21 AM
Quote from: Takumi on December 03, 2014, 10:27:47 PM
For some reason I remember signs on VA 288 northbound that said TO I-95. The problem with that is that northbound VA 288 takes you away from I-95, and to get back to it you'd have to take 288 to VA 76 to I-195, which is several miles longer.

I want to say VA 76 westbound also has some TO I-95 shields, though that makes some sense at least...

The most egregious Virginia example that comes to mind is that on both VA 234 Bypass north and south, VA 28 south is signed on a BGS as TO US 17.  There is absolutely no reason anyone would ever use VA 28 from Manassas to do something on US 17 (18 miles away) unless they were specifically going to where 28 and 17 intersect (Bealeton).  So the BGS should just say Bealeton if that was the intent.

Mapmikey


I remember those too.  Idk how long they were there but I remember that at one point there was one just past the US 1/US 301 interchange (when I-95 is probably still less than a mile before that point).  I remember reading something though that they might have had something to do with the James River Bridge project or with directing people back to I-95 (via VA 76 and I-195 as Takumi stated) since the rest of VA 288 was not done past VA 76 until 2004.
Title: Re: Misleading "TO hwy XX" signs
Post by: Mapmikey on December 04, 2014, 09:11:31 AM
Another possibility is that since the 288-76-195 routing was available before I-295 was finished, this gave people an option to bypass some of the Richmond congestion and the signs were just continued forever forward...

Mapmikey
Title: Re: Misleading "TO hwy XX" signs
Post by: bzakharin on December 04, 2014, 10:15:31 AM
This sign on Westbound Church Road in Cherry Hill
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9380693,-75.0026139,3a,37.5y,282.3h,85.88t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sxEM-OwqjUzfKPKoA2fvkBg!2e0!5m1!1e1
Ignoring the fact that Church Road is about to flow into a traffic circle with much better access to NJ-38, Columbia blvd 2 blocks ago has a shorter path to that entrance onto NJ-38. Actually, NJ-38 is not mentioned ahead of the circle at all. You don't know you can get onto it there until you enter the circle. I wonder how old the blue sign is. The design looks old, but there is no fading or rusting. Maybe once upon a time you couldn't access NJ-38 at the traffic circle? Or only 38 West?
Title: Re: Misleading "TO hwy XX" signs
Post by: odditude on December 05, 2014, 09:21:06 AM
Quote from: bzakharin on December 04, 2014, 10:15:31 AM
This sign on Westbound Church Road in Cherry Hill
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9380693,-75.0026139,3a,37.5y,282.3h,85.88t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sxEM-OwqjUzfKPKoA2fvkBg!2e0!5m1!1e1
Ignoring the fact that Church Road is about to flow into a traffic circle with much better access to NJ-38, Columbia blvd 2 blocks ago has a shorter path to that entrance onto NJ-38. Actually, NJ-38 is not mentioned ahead of the circle at all. You don't know you can get onto it there until you enter the circle. I wonder how old the blue sign is. The design looks old, but there is no fading or rusting. Maybe once upon a time you couldn't access NJ-38 at the traffic circle? Or only 38 West?
you don't want to direct commercial traffic onto a residential side-street.