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Title: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: jwolfer on December 14, 2014, 05:00:19 PM
Most of the times it seems that in a multiplex situation one number dominates and the other is subordinate.  ( i.e. US 50/301 in Maryland. It is called Route 50 by everyone.). In Central Florida the road is called 17/92 universally. Same with 1&9 in New Jersey. 
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: NE2 on December 14, 2014, 05:03:16 PM
US 15-501 in North Carolina, apparently.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: 1995hoo on December 14, 2014, 05:10:50 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 14, 2014, 05:03:16 PM
US 15-501 in North Carolina, apparently.

I can confirm that one, having lived within two miles of said road in Durham for three years. The "US" is normally omitted when speaking about it ("15-501").

Back when US-211 ran all the way into DC on a concurrency with US-29, people in Northern Virginia usually referred to "29-211."
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: 6a on December 14, 2014, 05:37:00 PM
US 36 and SR 37 in Ohio are called "36/37".
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: vdeane on December 14, 2014, 05:38:20 PM
US 20 and NY 5 in the Finger Lakes.  They're so well known together ("5 and 20") that many don't know that they're separate routes.

Also US 1 and 9 in northern NJ.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: PHLBOS on December 14, 2014, 05:57:07 PM
MA 4 & 225 in Lexington & Bedford.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: Thing 342 on December 14, 2014, 06:03:47 PM
I-75/85 in Downtown ATL.
I-40/85 between Hillsborough and Greensboro.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: briantroutman on December 14, 2014, 06:04:38 PM
US 11/15 qualifies–usually referred to simply as "eleven fifteen"  (no "route" , no "US" ) in the Central Susquehanna Valley. In fact, someone living on US 11 in Danville giving directions to Harrisburg would probably say "Take Route 11 down to 11/15..."  –even though "Take Route 11"  would be accurate by itself.

Same applies to a lesser extent with US 22/322.

And to an even lesser extent, I've heard and seen–most often businesses and advertisements–in Westmoreland, Somerset, and Bedford Counties refer to "70/76" , but on the whole, that usage is no where near as common as "the Turnpike" .
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: Zeffy on December 14, 2014, 06:13:36 PM
I've heard the US 202 / NJ 31 multiplex referred to as 202/31 (two-oh-two thirty-one) plenty of times.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: andrewkbrown on December 14, 2014, 07:10:39 PM
"Twenty-two and Three" as well as "Sixty-two and Three" for the US 22/SR 3 multiplex and US 62/SR 3 multiplex in Ohio between Cincinnati and Columbus
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: TheCatalyst31 on December 14, 2014, 08:49:19 PM
US 18/151 southwest of Madison, though the part near Madison is usually just called Verona Road anyway. Madison has another half-example - the interstate is usually called 90/94, but I-39 is left out (not too surprisingly).
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: hbelkins on December 14, 2014, 08:57:33 PM
US 25/421 between Lexington and Richmond.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: Beeper1 on December 14, 2014, 09:08:22 PM
US-7/20 near Pittsfield.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: SSOWorld on December 14, 2014, 09:42:36 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 14, 2014, 05:38:20 PM
trimmed...

Also US 1-9 in northern NJ.
FTFU

the 90/94 thing is true as many don't want to acknowledge I-39 except the DOT which signs the emergency detours as 39.

US-51/WIS 29 in Wausau, WI get equal billing.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: cl94 on December 14, 2014, 10:22:20 PM
I-81 and NY 17 in Binghamton is occasionally referred to by both numbers.

Always have heard US 44 and NY 55 said as "44/55". Likewise, the NY 106/107 concurrency is often "106/107".
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: Sam on December 14, 2014, 11:22:43 PM

Quote from: vdeane on December 14, 2014, 05:38:20 PM
US 20 and NY 5 in the Finger Lakes.  They're so well known together ("5 and 20") that many don't know that they're separate routes.

*So* well known that it's always called "5 and 20" despite not being signed that way. (Except for one or two places where the highway workers know it so well they put the signs up in the wrong priority order.)

Heck, after living here for 30 years I catch myself forgetting its the same US 20 or NY 5 that I know in other parts of the state. It has a personality all its own :)
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: jp the roadgeek on December 14, 2014, 11:33:55 PM
The 6/10 expressway in Providence.  8/25 connector in Bridgeport
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: Mr. Matté on December 14, 2014, 11:35:29 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 14, 2014, 09:42:36 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 14, 2014, 05:38:20 PM
trimmed...

Also US 1-9 in northern NJ.
FTFU

But if you wanted to pronounce it correctly, it'd be "1in9" (must be that North Jersey accent).
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: doorknob60 on December 15, 2014, 12:20:46 AM
With my limited experience being around the area for only a couple years, US 20/26 from Caldwell, ID (or Vale, OR, for that matter) to Boise, ID. Though their local names (mostly Chinden Blvd and Broadway Ave) are probably more commonly used still.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: DandyDan on December 15, 2014, 06:44:17 AM
As far as historical multiplexes go, US 73/75 in Nebraska did.  One of my now former coworkers used to live in Nebraska City and he always said the way there was 73-75, even though 73 hasn't actually existed on that road since 1982.  I could have swore on one of the TV news reports recently here in Omaha, the news reporter, who couldn't have been alive when 73-75 existed, called it that.

OTOH, I have no idea what they call US 6-34, the big one which still exists in Nebraska.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: Tom958 on December 15, 2014, 08:26:53 AM
US 1/64 southwest of Raleigh. Extra confusing verbally because 164 is a believable number.  :confused:
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: bzakharin on December 15, 2014, 11:05:16 AM
US 202/206 in central NJ is known as 202/206, though the mile markers are posted for 202 only.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: Pete from Boston on December 15, 2014, 11:27:41 AM

Quote from: vdeane on December 14, 2014, 05:38:20 PMAlso US 1 and 9 in northern NJ.

Interestingly, however, you'll also hear this referred to occasionally as just "Route 1" but never as just "Route 9."
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: Henry on December 15, 2014, 11:44:13 AM
I-80/I-90 between Chicago and Cleveland (although I-80 goes through neither city)
I-71/I-75 south of Cincinnati
I-70/I-76 on the Penna Turnpike
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: lepidopteran on December 15, 2014, 11:59:38 AM
Not sure what the US 6/40 multiplex west of Denver was called by locals before I-70 was built, but there's a "6&40 Motel" in Idaho Springs, CO.

https://plus.google.com/116479534852409106680/about?gl=us&hl=en (https://plus.google.com/116479534852409106680/about?gl=us&hl=en)
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: Brandon on December 15, 2014, 12:18:30 PM
80-94 for the Borman Expressway in NW Indiana (I-80/94).
90-94 is also used for the Ryan and Kennedy Expressways in addition to the section in Wisconsin.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: TEG24601 on December 15, 2014, 01:04:23 PM
In the vicinity of Delphi, IN, there are both a duplex and triplex, and used to be a quadplex.  So there is "421/39" for US 421, SR 29; then when 18 joins the fray, 421/39/18, and prior to the bypass for SR-25 being build around downtown, if was a tossup between Main Street, 25 or 421/25/39/18.  This is how I usually heard them referred to.  However, the other duplexes Monticello, are called 24, without 421 or 39 during their duplexes.


There is also a section of SR 99 near Federal Way, WA, what duplexes with SR 509.  I always make a point of using both names, to differentiate it from other sections of road.  Many people I know do the same, but I'm not sure it is widespread.



Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: clong on December 15, 2014, 01:17:02 PM
I-20/59 is always referred to by both numbers in Birmingham and west Alabama (twenty fifty-nine). The eastern split is near the airport just northeast of downtown.

OTOH, US 31/280 which share pavement for the last couple of miles at 280's northern end are rarely referred to by either number. They are simply called the "Red Mountain Expressway".
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: odditude on December 15, 2014, 02:16:29 PM
Quote from: Mr. Matté on December 14, 2014, 11:35:29 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 14, 2014, 09:42:36 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 14, 2014, 05:38:20 PM
trimmed...

Also US 1-9 in northern NJ.
FTFU

But if you wanted to pronounce it correctly, it'd be "1in9" (must be that North Jersey accent).
1'n'9.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: OCGuy81 on December 15, 2014, 02:30:31 PM
1 and 9 in NJ is the only time I've seen an ampersand used on a shield (1 & 9).  Is this practice used a lot in NJ? I've only been in northern NJ just outside NYC.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: NE2 on December 15, 2014, 02:41:56 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on December 15, 2014, 11:59:38 AM
Not sure what the US 6/40 multiplex west of Denver was called by locals before I-70 was built, but there's a "6&40 Motel" in Idaho Springs, CO.

https://plus.google.com/116479534852409106680/about?gl=us&hl=en (https://plus.google.com/116479534852409106680/about?gl=us&hl=en)

Apparently 6-24 is the same way, at least on road signs.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: signalman on December 15, 2014, 02:50:58 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on December 15, 2014, 02:30:31 PM
1 and 9 in NJ is the only time I've seen an ampersand used on a shield (1 & 9).  Is this practice used a lot in NJ? I've only been in northern NJ just outside NYC.
No.  This is the only route where an ampersand might be used on a shield.  I've also seen 1-9 on a single shield , as well as two standalone 1 and 9 US shields next to each other.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: pianocello on December 15, 2014, 03:07:11 PM
In St. Louis, I know of at least a few people that call I-64 "sixty four forty." I'm sure there's a generation gap with that one, though. If I were to move there, I would call it "64", and I'm sure many people that have lived in that area for years still call it "40".
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: Pete from Boston on December 15, 2014, 05:46:56 PM

Quote from: odditude on December 15, 2014, 02:16:29 PM
Quote from: Mr. Matté on December 14, 2014, 11:35:29 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 14, 2014, 09:42:36 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 14, 2014, 05:38:20 PM
trimmed...

Also US 1-9 in northern NJ.
FTFU

But if you wanted to pronounce it correctly, it'd be "1in9" (must be that North Jersey accent).
1'n'9.

I've heard "truck one nine" plenty of times for the bypass over Communipaw.  I don't know if anybody calls it "truck one and nine." 
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: NE2 on December 15, 2014, 05:53:14 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on December 15, 2014, 05:46:56 PM
I've heard "truck one nine" plenty of times for the bypass over Communipaw.  I don't know if anybody calls it "truck one and nine." 
There's barely any difference between one-n-nine and onnnnnnnine.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: Road Hog on December 15, 2014, 05:53:56 PM
US 67-167 north and east of Little Rock.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: roadman on December 15, 2014, 06:11:57 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 14, 2014, 05:57:07 PM
MA 4 & 225 in Lexington & Bedford.
Recently, I've noted that many of the traffic reporters have taken to calling the road only as Route 4, at least during rush hour broadcasts.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: PHLBOS on December 15, 2014, 06:28:11 PM
Quote from: roadman on December 15, 2014, 06:11:57 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 14, 2014, 05:57:07 PM
MA 4 & 225 in Lexington & Bedford.
Recently, I've noted that many of the traffic reporters have taken to calling the road only as Route 4, at least during rush hour broadcasts.
Interesting; that was where I always heard it referred to as 4 & 225 for years.

Is a truncation of MA 225 to MA 4 in Bedford in the works?   :)  It would be a shame to revamp those newly-erected BGS' along I-95.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: Pete from Boston on December 15, 2014, 06:29:13 PM

Quote from: NE2 on December 15, 2014, 05:53:14 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on December 15, 2014, 05:46:56 PM
I've heard "truck one nine" plenty of times for the bypass over Communipaw.  I don't know if anybody calls it "truck one and nine." 
There's barely any difference between one-n-nine and onnnnnnnine.

It's a subtle difference, for sure. But sometimes people will say "one nine" so distinctly that there is no question.

Is this limited to real multiplexes? If not, "80-95" in New Jersey, a fiction at least the traffic reporters keep alive.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: DTComposer on December 15, 2014, 07:05:45 PM
L.A. traffic reporters will often refer to "The 60/215." The only other "multiplex" (technically in California they only have one route number, the other route being discontinuous between the multiplex) I can think of in the area is 405/22, which always is referred to as just the 405.

I wonder what they called the U.S. 60/70/99 stretch of the San Bernardino Freeway back in the day?
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: Eth on December 15, 2014, 08:15:47 PM
"Nineteen forty-one" for the US highways south of Atlanta toward Griffin.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on December 15, 2014, 08:59:04 PM
The street carrying the strangely discontinuous U.S. 85-87 in Fountain and Security, Colorado (doesn't actually connect back to I-25 on the north end) is named "Highway 85-87" and you often hear addresses using this. But, it's only marked as U.S. 85 since Colorado often only marks one route of a concurrent segment.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: PurdueBill on December 15, 2014, 09:26:07 PM
I think I recall the NC 24-27 multiplex being called "highway 24-27" at least in Albemarle; I believe addresses refer to it that way. 
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: Alex4897 on December 15, 2014, 10:02:40 PM
The US 13 / 40 multiplex in New Castle DE might fall into this category, I feel like I hear both "thirteen forty" and "thirteen" used for this stretch of highway.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: dfwmapper on December 16, 2014, 01:32:01 AM
Quote from: Henry on December 15, 2014, 11:44:13 AM
I-80/I-90 between Chicago and Cleveland (although I-80 goes through neither city)
I-71/I-75 south of Cincinnati
I-70/I-76 on the Penna Turnpike
I'd say that the Indiana Toll Road, Ohio Turnpike, and Pennsylvania Turnpike are know far more by their names than their numbers and thus don't count.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: roadman on December 16, 2014, 09:24:30 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 15, 2014, 06:28:11 PM
Quote from: roadman on December 15, 2014, 06:11:57 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 14, 2014, 05:57:07 PM
MA 4 & 225 in Lexington & Bedford.
Recently, I've noted that many of the traffic reporters have taken to calling the road only as Route 4, at least during rush hour broadcasts.
Interesting; that was where I always heard it referred to as 4 & 225 for years.

Is a truncation of MA 225 to MA 4 in Bedford in the works?   :)  It would be a shame to revamp those newly-erected BGS' along I-95.
MassDOT has no plans to truncate MA 225.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: sandwalk on December 16, 2014, 10:45:50 AM
Quote from: dfwmapper on December 16, 2014, 01:32:01 AM
Quote from: Henry on December 15, 2014, 11:44:13 AM
I-80/I-90 between Chicago and Cleveland (although I-80 goes through neither city)
I-71/I-75 south of Cincinnati
I-70/I-76 on the Penna Turnpike
I'd say that the Indiana Toll Road, Ohio Turnpike, and Pennsylvania Turnpike are know far more by their names than their numbers and thus don't count.

I'd have to agree.  Most of the locals call it "The Turnpike."  Every once in a while (from an Ohioan's perspective) you might hear "Eighty-Ninety" or even just "Eighty" or "I-Eighty" (including the multiplexed section west of Elyria).
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: thenetwork on December 16, 2014, 12:11:09 PM
On the west side of Grand Junction, CO, the "main drag" is known as "Highway 6 & 50" for US-6 & US-50 which traverse it, even though CDOT signs it primarily as BL-70, which also multiplexes it.

Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: theline on December 16, 2014, 06:33:47 PM
Quote from: sandwalk on December 16, 2014, 10:45:50 AM
Quote from: dfwmapper on December 16, 2014, 01:32:01 AM
Quote from: Henry on December 15, 2014, 11:44:13 AM
I-80/I-90 between Chicago and Cleveland (although I-80 goes through neither city)
I-71/I-75 south of Cincinnati
I-70/I-76 on the Penna Turnpike
I'd say that the Indiana Toll Road, Ohio Turnpike, and Pennsylvania Turnpike are know far more by their names than their numbers and thus don't count.

I'd have to agree.  Most of the locals call it "The Turnpike."  Every once in a while (from an Ohioan's perspective) you might hear "Eighty-Ninety" or even just "Eighty" or "I-Eighty" (including the multiplexed section west of Elyria).

In the South Bend area, 80/90 is universally known as "the Toll Road." Whenever advertisements refer to a business being near I-80 or I-90, we know that the copy was written by an outsider.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: PHLBOS on December 16, 2014, 06:52:20 PM
Quote from: roadman on December 16, 2014, 09:24:30 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 15, 2014, 06:28:11 PMIs a truncation of MA 225 to MA 4 in Bedford in the works?   :)  It would be a shame to revamp those newly-erected BGS' along I-95.
MassDOT has no plans to truncate MA 225.
I guess you missed my earlier-posted :) ; meaning I was posting the above in jest.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: formulanone on December 16, 2014, 07:07:23 PM
In the sort-of category: SR 7 / US 441 in Palm Beach, Broward, and Miami-Dade counties. It's usually referred to by one or the other (about 50/50), but rarely both except on signage.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: NE2 on December 16, 2014, 07:21:20 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 16, 2014, 07:07:23 PM
In the sort-of category: SR 7 / US 441 in Palm Beach, Broward, and Miami-Dade counties. It's usually referred to by one or the other (about 50/50), but rarely both except on signage.
Even signage usually shows only 441 (on shields) or 7 (on street sign blades), unless things have changed recently.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: bugo on December 17, 2014, 02:24:29 AM
Not quite the same, but the US 59/270 duplex is known as "hwy 59" in Oklahoma and "hwy 270" in Arkansas.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: bugo on December 17, 2014, 02:37:25 AM
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on December 15, 2014, 08:59:04 PM
The street carrying the strangely discontinuous U.S. 85-87 in Fountain and Security, Colorado (doesn't actually connect back to I-25 on the north end) is named "Highway 85-87" and you often hear addresses using this. But, it's only marked as U.S. 85 since Colorado often only marks one route of a concurrent segment.

Where is the northern end?
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: bugo on December 17, 2014, 03:14:16 AM
The Hot Springs, AR bypass is known as "70-270" when only part of it is 70 and part of it is 270.

Judging from old postcards and promotional materials, the highway heading southwest of Little Rock was once called "67-70". Now the corridor is I-30 and both highways have been rerouted to that freeway (unsigned of course) and the old highway is now AR 5.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: dgolub on December 17, 2014, 08:53:09 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on December 14, 2014, 11:33:55 PM
The 6/10 expressway in Providence.  8/25 connector in Bridgeport

CT 25/CT 8 and NY 106/NY 107 are the two that come to mind immediately.  When the traffic reporters say "25/8" really fast, it sounds like "25A."  The first few times I heard it, I thought they were talking about NY 25A on Long Island, which was surprising for a Connecticut radio station.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: froggie on December 17, 2014, 09:28:13 AM
Quote from: 1995hooBack when US-211 ran all the way into DC on a concurrency with US-29, people in Northern Virginia usually referred to "29-211."

A few old timers still refer to it as such.  That or "Lee Highway".
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: formulanone on December 17, 2014, 11:37:45 AM
Quote from: NE2 on December 16, 2014, 07:21:20 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 16, 2014, 07:07:23 PM
In the sort-of category: SR 7 / US 441 in Palm Beach, Broward, and Miami-Dade counties. It's usually referred to by one or the other (about 50/50), but rarely both except on signage.
Even signage usually shows only 441 (on shields) or 7 (on street sign blades), unless things have changed recently.

Some intersections have SR 7 shields, other will have US 441. But along some of the six/eight-lane sections in Palm Beach County:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F03%2FSR7bigUS441signsBoynton.jpg&hash=6c2d5ae450b33dc0f1712615b5f213b50503da49)

(ginormoshield?)
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: Dr Frankenstein on December 17, 2014, 12:19:11 PM
I've heard (second-hand) that some older West Islanders in Montreal still use "2-20" even though the Hwy 2 designation has not existed for decades.

I've heard "20-132" to refer to the René-Lévesque Expy maybe once or twice, but you're better off using just 132 for all of it.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: tidecat on December 21, 2014, 12:07:35 AM
I-20/59 in Alabama (especially in Tuscaloosa)
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: 6a on December 21, 2014, 05:32:51 PM

Quote from: andrewkbrown on December 14, 2014, 07:10:39 PM
"Twenty-two and Three" as well as "Sixty-two and Three" for the US 22/SR 3 multiplex and US 62/SR 3 multiplex in Ohio between Cincinnati and Columbus
I've never heard 62 & 3 here, it's always 3-C.
Title: Re: Multiplexes known by both numbers
Post by: vtk on December 21, 2014, 07:57:50 PM
Quote from: 6a on December 21, 2014, 05:32:51 PM

Quote from: andrewkbrown on December 14, 2014, 07:10:39 PM
"Twenty-two and Three" as well as "Sixty-two and Three" for the US 22/SR 3 multiplex and US 62/SR 3 multiplex in Ohio between Cincinnati and Columbus
I've never heard 62 & 3 here, it's always 3-C.

I think I've heard it, but it would have to be a minority reading.  Sixty Two, or Three, or Three C are all more common.