What is the largest BGS (big green sign) in your area, or even perhaps you've seen? When I say largest, it could mean tallest, widest or largest area. Also, keep in mind I'm talking about one sign, not a large group of smaller signs.
Now, because I live in a smaller city with few BGS', the largest one is probably:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1291.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb551%2Fslik_sh00ter%2Fbigsign_zpsbccf72d5.jpg&hash=805c17ed6a11e8d33942a83bf14ded985a6bc8a5)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1291.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb551%2Fslik_sh00ter%2F90SOUTH_zpscca8875c.jpg&hash=718c7618e0377f10c29253760a9b20085fbedb4a)
Both I estimate to be about 6 m (20') wide, and about 1.2 m (4') tall, based on the spacing and comparing with the width of cars below, which are somewhat large, but not that large compared to other signs.
http://goo.gl/maps/6E5ed
http://goo.gl/maps/P8ZgV
PS. Please forgive me mods if another thread already exists of this type or if this thread is in the wrong board. My apologies.
(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images005/i-005_nb_exit_103a_07a.jpg)
From the AARoads Gallery
The I-5 pull-through sign in the photo above is approximately 400 sq ft (40 ft wide by 10 ft high) and is probably one of the largest in the state (there's another pull through in Sacramento also spanning 4 lanes of traffic). The only way there's a larger California BGS is a pull-through sign spanning 5+ lanes and I don't know of any freeway that wide.
Some of the ones built for the new toll express lanes on I-635 in Dallas are rather huge. Just going to pretend the "G" stands for "Giant" instead of "Green".
http://goo.gl/maps/Ph0vK
http://goo.gl/maps/jT8zG
http://goo.gl/maps/KOyQB
Largest one I know of in the Tennessee Valley:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3850/15043009557_e359b1bca0.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oVimDK)Huge Sign (https://flic.kr/p/oVimDK) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.689167,-75.640073,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s_ERUJhV9HN7uL8Foc_VSZA!2e0
Nearest one from home. (http://goo.gl/maps/wglmz)
Next nearest one from home. (http://goo.gl/maps/JnFjZ)
Probably the tallest one from home. (http://goo.gl/maps/iWQvm)
These are some of the larger ones around Chicagoland:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi837.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz298%2Fmidamcrossrds%2F100_4324_zps98acf3c9.jpg&hash=89902224372ba64f62c39c72b468105bfbca3391) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4324_zps98acf3c9.jpg.html)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi837.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz298%2Fmidamcrossrds%2F100_4823_zpsf7eaf4c7.jpg&hash=54fb33c9a971339712bce8f43cb8d8d73d4df1e2) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4823_zpsf7eaf4c7.jpg.html)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi837.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz298%2Fmidamcrossrds%2F100_4138_zps47ff6363.jpg&hash=af1b28e14ed1797d1b2218a44034c44b4aa63d79) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4138_zps47ff6363.jpg.html)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi837.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz298%2Fmidamcrossrds%2F100_3856_zpsf94c1c24.jpg&hash=8173e2b19882c380ad646ad594471a859a7fbf1b) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_3856_zpsf94c1c24.jpg.html)
Albany:
It's pretty close...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nysroads.com%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2FNY%2Fi87%2F100_6232-s.JPG&hash=f4f1aedbabd238b6feb9418772db36af236f984e)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nysroads.com%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2FNY%2Fi90%2F100_7679-s.JPG&hash=3018bfbfa18696e55db3641181208adb88dd1615)
Rochester:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nysroads.com%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2FNY%2Fi390%2F100_8562-s.JPG&hash=d7f22d329a5f947193888a2f64c6aebc4512fee4)
This is the one that most readily comes to mind as the largest one in Northern Virginia. There may be a larger one over at the College Park Interchange in Maryland.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi31.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc378%2F1995hoo%2FRoad%2520sign%2520pictures%2FNewAPLSpringfieldcomplete_zps1d22a0ae.png&hash=3eabcef3d61ced3009614e9055c29af3e4e107fa)
(Post edited after checking Street View. Maryland has two signs spanning the lanes, and since they use diagonal arrows, the signs are smaller than they might otherwise be.)
This is the only one I could think of:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FfI5thHm.png&hash=d042df648ea2034a70d6ac5121e097d9401a9d12) (https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=40.292604,-74.684908&spn=0.000016,0.014226&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=40.292721,-74.684992&panoid=jiKd1ezky1dXQiz1z0kctg&cbp=12,217.92,,2,-7.68)
which one is bigger? I'm going to say the 2nd one.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.197486,-71.146478,3a,49.9y,38.15h,84.03t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZboYbaMWpjIPn0pzKYtGtA!2e0
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.473698,-71.233039,3a,49.3y,91.93h,95.37t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZJmPex7P2voINXVtp8Li8w!2e0
Some pretty tall ones were just installed in the town where I work. I have photos but haven't dumped them off my camera onto my computer yet.
Outside of that, the biggest one in the area is probably the APL monstrosities (have I mentioned that I hate those things?) on I-64 east at the Mountain Parkway. (I'm too lazy to find and post the picture link, go to my Flickr page (https://www.flickr.com/photos/hbelkins/) and find it).
Washington doesn't really do APL. There's one in Vancouver, WA for the I-205 split near the Clark County fairgrounds, but that's all I can think of.
Doesn't seem like a big sign, but it's about 11' tall.
(https://www.aaroads.com/west/washington005/i-005_nb_exit_164a_07.jpg)
Credit: AARoads
This is also abnormally large for a WSDOT sign.
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.2307632,-122.444089,3a,75.1y,255.02h,93.41t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdHelYBeMirGBe6LG0eyzwA!2e0
For construction in the median for a future HOV lane, there's a much more compact sign currently up.
Minneapolis: https://www.google.com/maps/@44.986625,-93.2884199,3a,75y,346.97h,98.88t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sHQOZVhRU4Fa6zxulNxybFQ!2e0
Duluth: probably https://www.google.com/maps/@46.732387,-92.201205,3a,75y,227.86h,81.14t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1scCNEFdDSHnnL0HXvlfLPmQ!2e0 (on the left)
Quote from: spooky on January 16, 2015, 01:41:57 PM
which one is bigger? I'm going to say the 2nd one.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.197486,-71.146478,3a,49.9y,38.15h,84.03t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZboYbaMWpjIPn0pzKYtGtA!2e0
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.473698,-71.233039,3a,49.3y,91.93h,95.37t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZJmPex7P2voINXVtp8Li8w!2e0
Probably, but not by much.
This roughly 2-year-old BGS (http://goo.gl/maps/xgyZu) on the I-93 side of the Canton interchange could give the above-two a good run for the money; pardon the GSV distortion.
Scroll down to Dec. 2013 for a better photo of the Exit 1B BGS (http://www.gribblenation.net/mass21/i93photos.html) with the
LEFT EXIT 1B tab added just over a year ago.
This wretched assembly easily comes to mind:
(https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida075/i-075_sb_exit_274_07.jpg)
Interstate 75 south approaching the split with I-275. Posted on https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=i0075sefl
APLs are easy candidates for this distinction. My best guess would be this one where I-75 and I-85 split (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.786094,-84.39083,3a,75y,6.38h,86.97t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZG-A5_SQpdxhKb3cgW89mw!2e0).
Actually, the southbound one (also featuring exit 250 for 16th/14th/10th Streets) may be just slightly larger, but Street View is out of date there.
Quote from: Eth on January 16, 2015, 04:57:42 PM
APLs are easy candidates for this distinction. My best guess would be this one where I-75 and I-85 split (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.786094,-84.39083,3a,75y,6.38h,86.97t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZG-A5_SQpdxhKb3cgW89mw!2e0).
I thought APLs were only allowed if there was one lane mid-way that shared straight/turn movements.
Quote from: PHLBOS on January 16, 2015, 05:09:08 PM
Quote from: Eth on January 16, 2015, 04:57:42 PM
APLs are easy candidates for this distinction. My best guess would be this one where I-75 and I-85 split (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.786094,-84.39083,3a,75y,6.38h,86.97t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZG-A5_SQpdxhKb3cgW89mw!2e0).
I thought APLs were only allowed if there was one lane mid-way that shared straight/turn movements.
That is what they are
supposed to be used for, but I guess GDOT didn't care. Personally, you could've saved a lot of fabrication funds if you went with two separate signs (each with three down arrows pointing to their respective lanes) instead of wasting it all on one huge APL.
Quote from: PHLBOS on January 16, 2015, 05:09:08 PM
Quote from: Eth on January 16, 2015, 04:57:42 PM
APLs are easy candidates for this distinction. My best guess would be this one where I-75 and I-85 split (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.786094,-84.39083,3a,75y,6.38h,86.97t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZG-A5_SQpdxhKb3cgW89mw!2e0).
I thought APLs were only allowed if there was one lane mid-way that shared straight/turn movements.
This is true:
Quote from: MUTCD Section 2E-20, -02
On freeways and expressways, either the Overhead Arrow-per-Lane or Diagrammatic guide sign designs as provided in Sections 2E.21 and 2E.22 shall be used for all multi-lane exits at major interchanges (see Section 2E.32) that have an optional exit lane that also carries the through route (see Figures 2E-4, 2E-5, 2E-8, and 2E-9) and for all splits that include an option lane (see Figures 2E-6 and 2E-10). Overhead Arrow-per-Lane or Diagrammatic guide signs shall not be used on freeways and expressways for any other types of exits or splits, including single-lane exits and splits that do not have an option lane.
With this in mind, I still like the sign even if there's no option lane. Though the exit-only plaques seem a bit redundant (since you're not exiting I-85).
Nearly any of the diagrammatic signs in Massachusetts would easily qualify as largest BGS in a given area. For largest non-diagrammatic BGSes, that would be the Exit 1A pull thru sign at the end of I-93 south in Canton (thanks to PHLBOS for reminding me of that), followed by the new pull thru signs on I-95 at Middlesex Turnpike/US Route 3.
Quote from: roadman on January 16, 2015, 05:36:56 PMFor largest non-diagrammatic BGSes, those would be the new pull thru signs on I-95 at Middlesex Turnpike/US Route 3.
I think the
LEFT EXIT 1B BGS at the Canton I-93/95 interchange gore that I posted earlier has that one beat by its height.
Quote from: PHLBOS on January 16, 2015, 05:43:10 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 16, 2015, 05:36:56 PMFor largest non-diagrammatic BGSes, those would be the new pull thru signs on I-95 at Middlesex Turnpike/US Route 3.
I think the LEFT EXIT 1B BGS at the Canton I-93/95 interchange gore that I posted earlier has that one beat by its height.
You are correct PHLBOS - have revised my previous post (and am reminded about how one should be very careful before making absolute statements.
I think this is the largest one in the Syracuse area. Found on I-690 WB just west of the Teall Ave interchange. This is the third incarnation of this sign, the first was button copy and installed in the early 1980s. It was the first diagrammatic sign I had ever seen.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/314912/i690wb.png)
Quote from: vdeane on January 16, 2015, 01:13:22 PM
Albany:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nysroads.com%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2FNY%2Fi87%2F100_6232-s.JPG&hash=f4f1aedbabd238b6feb9418772db36af236f984e)
As much as I don't like diagrammatic signs, I really like the way the right split is signed (with an additional lane forming on the left after the split towards 87)
Also, why do the signs have a "mounting plate" Ã la UK motorway signs?
Some of Ontario's larger signs:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asphaltplanet.ca%2FON%2Fhwy_401_images%2F401_dv_352_west.jpg&hash=28884ba0dd4b9cd356a314e4692a7a9eda7031a6)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asphaltplanet.ca%2FON%2Fhwy_407-409_images%2F407_dv_66_east_Aug14.jpg&hash=864df64756a261c60286ffa1721df64774ce968c)
Quote from: jakeroot on January 16, 2015, 06:13:10 PM
Quote from: vdeane on January 16, 2015, 01:13:22 PM
Albany:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nysroads.com%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2FNY%2Fi87%2F100_6232-s.JPG&hash=f4f1aedbabd238b6feb9418772db36af236f984e)
As much as I don't like diagrammatic signs, I really like the way the right split is signed (with an additional lane forming on the left after the split towards 87)
Also, why do the signs have a "mounting plate" Ã la UK motorway signs?
The mounting plate is actually backlighting. The signs on that installation are backlit like retail signage.
Quote from: myosh_tino on January 16, 2015, 04:40:42 AM
(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images005/i-005_nb_exit_103a_07a.jpg)
From the AARoads Gallery
The I-5 pull-through sign in the photo above is approximately 400 sq ft (40 ft wide by 10 ft high) and is probably one of the largest in the state (there's another pull through in Sacramento also spanning 4 lanes of traffic). The only way there's a larger California BGS is a pull-through sign spanning 5+ lanes and I don't know of any freeway that wide.
What about two 4-lane signs on one sign bridge?
(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images005/i-005_sb_exit_031_02b.jpg)
I grew up near Albany, so I'll steal those examples.
Now out near Buffalo, biggest is this without a doubt (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.870779,-78.790045,3a,41y,16.08h,89.56t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1slJXCDR-mSqP9wjQeMdmZJA!2e0). But if you want to add a BWS category, this isn't too far away (from AARoads):
(https://www.aaroads.com/northeast/new_york020/us-020a_wb_app_adams_rd.jpg)
Quote from: jakeroot on January 16, 2015, 06:13:10 PM
Quote from: vdeane on January 16, 2015, 01:13:22 PM
Albany:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nysroads.com%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2FNY%2Fi87%2F100_6232-s.JPG&hash=f4f1aedbabd238b6feb9418772db36af236f984e)
As much as I don't like diagrammatic signs, I really like the way the right split is signed (with an additional lane forming on the left after the split towards 87)
Also, why do the signs have a "mounting plate" Ã la UK motorway signs?
That sign cost $1 million when it was installed in 1989. Considered unbelievably expensive 25 years ago.
Quote from: KEK Inc. on January 16, 2015, 07:17:50 PM
What about two 4-lane signs on one sign bridge?
(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images005/i-005_sb_exit_031_02b.jpg)
The OP specifically said a single sign, not a group of smaller signs...
Quote from: SignGeek101 on January 15, 2015, 11:14:38 PM
What is the largest BGS (big green sign) in your area, or even perhaps you've seen? When I say largest, it could mean tallest, widest or largest area. Also, keep in mind I'm talking about one sign, not a large group of smaller signs.
With that said, both of the signs in your post are pretty close in square footage to the one I posted.
Quote from: upstatenyroads on January 16, 2015, 07:13:37 PM
The mounting plate is actually backlighting. The signs on that installation are backlit like retail signage.
Mother of God. That must look pretty nuts. Never heard of such a thing.
Quote from: xcellntbuy on January 17, 2015, 12:10:37 AM
That sign cost $1 million when it was installed in 1989. Considered unbelievably expensive 25 years ago.
That must be some sort of record. I've never heard of a sign costing so much (then again, I'm not an expert on signage costs).
This one is not close to my house (a few 1000 km away) :-D), but it's quite large. I estimate the sign to be about 6 m (20 ft) wide and 5 m (16 ft) tall for about 30 sq m (320 sq ft).
http://goo.gl/maps/JtEv1
Current largest in Nevada is this APL sign in Reno: I-80 eastbound approaching I-580/US 395 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.536479,-119.799312,3a,75y,100.83h,94.75t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sUPQuUmMd6q_MMTXe8PeUcA!2e0)
The signs eastbound are wider than westbound due to an additional eastbound lane.
The next largest, non APL sign in Nevada is probably this sign in Las Vegas: I-15 northbound offramp to Flamingo Road (http://i-15%20northbound%20offramp%20to%20flamingo%20road)
This sign is probably several feet wider and a few feet taller than it needs to be (and one could potentially argue that the sign isn't needed at all).
Can someone tell me why half these GMaps links come up as black screens?
Quote from: jakeroot on January 17, 2015, 03:24:31 AM
Quote from: upstatenyroads on January 16, 2015, 07:13:37 PM
The mounting plate is actually backlighting. The signs on that installation are backlit like retail signage.
Mother of God. That must look pretty nuts. Never heard of such a thing.
There are also some backlit signs on the WV Turnpike in the Beckley area (southbound at the 64-77 split, and northbound at the Corridor L/US 19 exit) but I have never seen them at night.
Quote from: OracleUsr on January 17, 2015, 03:45:53 PM
Can someone tell me why half these GMaps links come up as black screens?
I get the same thing often. It seems to be some weird glitch of some type. Just move Pegman to a close location and it should work normally. I don't know why it happens.
This probably WAS our biggest BGS in the Toledo metro area:
http://tinyurl.com/kjb63te
But due to road construction on I-75 through Downtown Toledo, this sign no longer exists.
Quote from: SignGeek101 on January 17, 2015, 08:45:44 PM
Quote from: OracleUsr on January 17, 2015, 03:45:53 PM
Can someone tell me why half these GMaps links come up as black screens?
I get the same thing often. It seems to be some weird glitch of some type. Just move Pegman to a close location and it should work normally. I don't know why it happens.
I think it has something to do with system resources or bandwidth, given that I see it far more often at work than at home.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FkSH0OMj.jpg&hash=3a1adfa3be23e6165604fa95315f63c7f85b7a46)
Quote from: Alex on January 16, 2015, 03:36:12 PM
This wretched assembly easily comes to mind:
(https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida075/i-075_sb_exit_274_07.jpg)
Interstate 75 south approaching the split with I-275. Posted on https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=i0075sefl
I hope this one gets better once the construction is complete. It seems like the lanes for I-275 should be shown underneath the I-275 shield!
Quote from: myosh_tino on January 16, 2015, 04:40:42 AM
(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images005/i-005_nb_exit_103a_07a.jpg)
From the AARoads Gallery
The I-5 pull-through sign in the photo above is approximately 400 sq ft (40 ft wide by 10 ft high) and is probably one of the largest in the state (there's another pull through in Sacramento also spanning 4 lanes of traffic). The only way there's a larger California BGS is a pull-through sign spanning 5+ lanes and I don't know of any freeway that wide.
With a sign this big, there is no reason why they couldn't add Los Angeles to the BGS for I-5.
For those unfamiliar, Caltrans Dist. 11 in San Diego County signs I-5 with Los Angeles as the northbound control. Caltrans Dist. 12 in Orange County also used to sign it that way, but they now sign the control city as Santa Ana between Santa Ana and the SD County line. So now there is a discontinuity in control city: LA-Santa Ana-LA. It would be better if they left all the signs LA or at the very least Santa Ana / Los Angeles. On this sign, at least, there is plenty of room for it.
Probably this one:
https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=39.045186,-94.655596&spn=0.004783,0.010568&t=k&z=17&layer=c&cbll=39.045148,-94.65569&panoid=_buwQF05TTuM5n9lOQmUdw&cbp=12,242.56,,0,-11.97
Runner-up:
https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=39.092216,-94.680519&spn=0.00478,0.010568&t=k&z=17&layer=c&cbll=39.09213,-94.680517&panoid=rOXCMIZhM1nXTWUdqTEOBA&cbp=12,358.97,,0,-2.38
Edit: I forgot I wasn't supposed to post multiple times in a row, so I'm merging my previous post with this one.
Quote from: andy3175 on January 18, 2015, 10:51:48 PM
I hope this one gets better once the construction is complete. It seems like the lanes for I-275 should be shown underneath the I-275 shield!
What the sign actually
says is that all four lanes are for SB I-75, despite being split into two separate carriageways (such as express and local lanes), while the #4 lane is an option lane for both SB I-75 and SB I-275.
Quote from: stridentweasel on January 19, 2015, 02:36:34 AM
Runner-up:
https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=39.092216,-94.680519&spn=0.00478,0.010568&t=k&z=17&layer=c&cbll=39.09213,-94.680517&panoid=rOXCMIZhM1nXTWUdqTEOBA&cbp=12,358.97,,0,-2.38
That arrowhead is absolutely ridiculous. I get that it's relative to thickness of the arrow, but they should have used smaller arrowheads all around.
Quote from: Tom958 on January 18, 2015, 10:06:24 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FkSH0OMj.jpg&hash=3a1adfa3be23e6165604fa95315f63c7f85b7a46)
This is what I don't like about Georgia's "APL" signs they seem to be placing around Atlanta - unless I'm blind, the lane the car taking the photo is in is not clearly marked - are you in the straight lane, are you in the exit lane for I-20? This could be a possible candidate for Redesign This!, I already have a few solutions in mind...
Quote from: Alex on January 16, 2015, 03:36:12 PM
This wretched assembly easily comes to mind:
(https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida075/i-075_sb_exit_274_07.jpg)
Same with this one. The point of APL signs is that the arrows are positioned over EACH lane! I don't see how diagrammatic signs were so confusing when these signs have arrows that don't match up to anywhere!Construction is a wonderful thing, isn't it?
Quote from: Zeffy on January 19, 2015, 11:05:47 AM
Same with this one. The point of APL signs is that the arrows are positioned over EACH lane! I don't see how diagrammatic signs were so confusing when these signs have arrows that don't match up to anywhere!
This one is under construction...
Quote from: NE2 on January 19, 2015, 11:15:14 AM
This one is under construction...
Oops... :banghead: That makes more sense... the Georgia one however, still doesn't.
The Georgia sign would be fine if it were shifted to the right by about four feet, I think, but presumably they needed some minimum distance between it and the exit 248A sign.
Georgia's had issues with aligning arrows to lanes for a while now; it's certainly not a new thing with the introduction of APLs.
Quote from: Eth on January 19, 2015, 12:54:08 PM
The Georgia sign would be fine if it were shifted to the right by about four feet, I think, but presumably they needed some minimum distance between it and the exit 248A sign.
Georgia's had issues with aligning arrows to lanes for a while now; it's certainly not a new thing with the introduction of APLs.
Actually, the problem with the Georgia sign is that APLs are only allowed if there's an option lane, which this example does not have.
Quote from: cl94 on January 19, 2015, 12:57:41 PM
Actually, the problem with the Georgia sign is that APLs are only allowed if there's an option lane, which this example does not have.
GDOT appears to care not one whit about that particular rule. Apart from perhaps wasting money on unnecessarily large signs, I don't really have a problem with it, as there's no loss of accuracy or clarity (assuming, again, that the arrows are actually lined up correctly).
Quote from: Eth on January 19, 2015, 01:05:29 PM
Quote from: cl94 on January 19, 2015, 12:57:41 PM
Actually, the problem with the Georgia sign is that APLs are only allowed if there's an option lane, which this example does not have.
GDOT appears to care not one whit about that particular rule. Apart from perhaps wasting money on unnecessarily large signs, I don't really have a problem with it, as there's no loss of accuracy or clarity (assuming, again, that the arrows are actually lined up correctly).
They must have had some trouble deciding on the sign... GDOT replaced the signs quite a few times in the last decade until finally settling on the APL-style.
Another big one, courtesy of new Google Streetview of these very new signs.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1291.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb551%2Fslik_sh00ter%2FBigSign2_zps202aeb80.jpg&hash=5748f1761d8e07fb1d3cc6927542dcebb52e71c1)
GMSV: http://goo.gl/maps/Y1A6T
Quote from: SignGeek101 on January 22, 2015, 11:32:39 PM
Another big one, courtesy of new Google Streetview of these very new signs.
I've been waiting very patiently for a Lower Mainland Street View update. Thank Christ, it's finally here.
Quote from: myosh_tino on January 16, 2015, 04:40:42 AM
(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images005/i-005_nb_exit_103a_07a.jpg)
From the AARoads Gallery
The I-5 pull-through sign in the photo above is approximately 400 sq ft (40 ft wide by 10 ft high) and is probably one of the largest in the state (there's another pull through in Sacramento also spanning 4 lanes of traffic). The only way there's a larger California BGS is a pull-through sign spanning 5+ lanes and I don't know of any freeway that wide.
I think one of these two signs, which are about seven miles south of the above-picture's location on the 5, might be bigger.
(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images005/i-005_sb_exit_096b_01a.jpg)
From the AARoads Gallery
(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images005/i-005_sb_exit_095_01.jpg)
From the AARoads Gallery
Of humorous note: When Caltrans originally installed the panels in the second photo, they had a button copy "San" on the left panel of the 5 freeway pullthrough, and about 40 feet to the right on the larger right sign panel, the word "Diego". The offset shield and cardinal direction are original.
Quote from: Occidental Tourist on January 25, 2015, 10:55:28 PM
Of humorous note: When Caltrans originally installed the panels in the second photo, they had a button copy "San" on the left panel of the 5 freeway pullthrough, and about 40 feet to the right on the larger right sign panel, the word "Diego". The offset shield and cardinal direction are original.
Yes, left lane goes to San, right lanes go to Diego:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi96.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl200%2Fmrkf%2F5s-133s_zpsa70ab816.jpg&hash=799d3a8dc33253f2d3f4aa2c4b2914fd4693f74c)
That is bonkers. The I-5 shield and direction may appear way off-center now, but when the signs were separate, the shield and direction were perfectly centered on their own panel! Poor San all alone there.
Grand Junction, CO:
(https://www.aaroads.com/west/colorado070/bl-070_eb_grand_jct_08.jpg)
Quote from: thenetwork on January 26, 2015, 02:29:36 PM
Grand Junction, CO:
(https://www.aaroads.com/west/colorado070/bl-070_eb_grand_jct_08.jpg)
Prior to the 2009 MUTCD mandate, this was one of exactly four arrow per lane signs in the entire country. Interesting how we based a national standard on only FOUR signs.
Quote from: roadman on January 26, 2015, 04:31:42 PM
Prior to the 2009 MUTCD mandate, this was one of exactly four arrow per lane signs in the entire country. Interesting how we based a national standard on only FOUR signs.
Two in Sacramento, and what's the fourth?
Quote from: roadman on January 26, 2015, 04:31:42 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on January 26, 2015, 02:29:36 PM
Grand Junction, CO:
(https://www.aaroads.com/west/colorado070/bl-070_eb_grand_jct_08.jpg)
Prior to the 2009 MUTCD mandate, this was one of exactly four arrow per lane signs in the entire country. Interesting how we based a national standard on only FOUR signs.
[Johnny Carson]
I did not know that [/JC]
And yet it's STILL wrong -- The BL-70/US-50 East arrows should be
straight arrows, not curving to the right! Then again, nearly all the BGSs along the loop have arrow errors of one way or another:
Exhibit A: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.077915,-108.497053,3a,75y,260.74h,86.72t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sXTocx9mOrDVj1K42xbf-ZQ!2e0
Just for shits and giggles, I think this is the most lanes Buffalo is signed for in NYS:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FP88BFSW.jpg&hash=e9ad58eeae97f2d2c8e79de7459018d9110b2d73)
I could be wrong though. And if that ending lane is ever extended, we're talking 4 arrows...
Tall, even for an APL, on I-95 SB (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6955515,-75.6197085,3a,75y,248.16h,93.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-QDka3WVvKiwyZep91YQtQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) in DE south of the I-295 merge. It's tall enough that you actually have to take your eyes off the road to read it.
Similar in scale to the Delaware example, I-90 outside of Buffalo (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8563865,-78.7915931,3a,50.4y,344.07h,91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNN0150cO8GahvvXiVD7EgA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Quote from: NE2 on January 26, 2015, 04:47:23 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 26, 2015, 04:31:42 PM
Prior to the 2009 MUTCD mandate, this was one of exactly four arrow per lane signs in the entire country. Interesting how we based a national standard on only FOUR signs.
Two in Sacramento, and what's the fourth?
Colorado had one. A Michael Summa photo on I-70 at exit 288 shows an APL. The photo is dated 1987. Not sure if that sign is dated 1987 too, but that's all four I guess (the one shown above, and the Michael Summa photo I mentioned, and the two in Sacramento already mentioned).
Quote from: NE2 on January 26, 2015, 04:47:23 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 26, 2015, 04:31:42 PM
Prior to the 2009 MUTCD mandate, this was one of exactly four arrow per lane signs in the entire country. Interesting how we based a national standard on only FOUR signs.
Two in Sacramento, and what's the fourth?
Four signs in the United States. Most other countries use some form of APL.
Quote from: cl94 on October 19, 2015, 06:04:07 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 26, 2015, 04:47:23 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 26, 2015, 04:31:42 PM
Prior to the 2009 MUTCD mandate, this was one of exactly four arrow per lane signs in the entire country. Interesting how we based a national standard on only FOUR signs.
Two in Sacramento, and what's the fourth?
Four signs in the United States. Most other countries use some form of APL.
I have seen FHWA APL's in BC, meaning they have been using them since before 2006 (since BC went Clearview in 2006).
Any idea when the first APL was installed in the US?
Quote from: SignGeek101 on October 19, 2015, 09:11:09 PM
Quote from: cl94 on October 19, 2015, 06:04:07 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 26, 2015, 04:47:23 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 26, 2015, 04:31:42 PM
Prior to the 2009 MUTCD mandate, this was one of exactly four arrow per lane signs in the entire country. Interesting how we based a national standard on only FOUR signs.
Two in Sacramento, and what's the fourth?
Four signs in the United States. Most other countries use some form of APL.
I have seen FHWA APL's in BC, meaning they have been using them since before 2006 (since BC went Clearview in 2006).
Any idea when the first APL was installed in the US?
Going from Alps's site and AARoads, 1982 or earlier.
I'm counting one more Colorado sign pre-2006. Alps has one at Exit 269A (http://alpsroads.net/roads/co/i-70/) on I-70 WB. AARoads has a modern version dating from 2004. Adding these up, we have:
I-70 Exit 269A
I-70 Exit 288
US 6/US 50/BL 70
That makes 5 if we include the 2 Sacramento ones.
Mine: Northern terminus of I-310 west of New Orleans (https://goo.gl/maps/iFdDgXRQtnz). Diagrammatic signs like this are apparently out of style in Louisiana.
How about this monstrosity (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8605747,-78.8134486,3a,75y,314.39h,91.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svXRGZiuFkBKKkL0WScHgjA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) on I-40 westbound approaching exit 283 in the RDU area. The first time I saw it I cringed as a semi was approaching it, I did't think it was going to make it underneath at first. Of course, it did with many feet to spare, LOL.
Quote from: vdeane on January 16, 2015, 01:13:22 PM
Albany:
It's pretty close...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nysroads.com%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2FNY%2Fi87%2F100_6232-s.JPG&hash=f4f1aedbabd238b6feb9418772db36af236f984e)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nysroads.com%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2FNY%2Fi90%2F100_7679-s.JPG&hash=3018bfbfa18696e55db3641181208adb88dd1615)
Made me wonder about if the new "New York City" BGS on the Thruway could be considered "larger":
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6942352,-73.8442651,3a,75y,154.96h,99.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snaqh6egKAa5qdHWQgLZSxw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
...
Nope. :D
Quote from: Rothman on January 04, 2016, 10:30:55 AM
Made me wonder about if the new "New York City" BGS on the Thruway could be considered "larger":
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6942352,-73.8442651,3a,75y,154.96h,99.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snaqh6egKAa5qdHWQgLZSxw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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Nope. :D
Functionally, that seems to be the world's largest reassurance marker.
Quote from: theline on January 04, 2016, 06:45:07 PM
Quote from: Rothman on January 04, 2016, 10:30:55 AM
Made me wonder about if the new "New York City" BGS on the Thruway could be considered "larger":
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6942352,-73.8442651,3a,75y,154.96h,99.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snaqh6egKAa5qdHWQgLZSxw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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Nope. :D
Functionally, that seems to be the world's largest reassurance marker.
It is and a version of the same sign existed before it was widened, except that one made
slightly more sense because it was at a lane drop. With the reconstruction, I have no idea why it was retained, let alone why they installed a new gantry for a new sign that is unnecessary.
Back to Colorado, I believe this is the biggest BGS/APL sign along the Front Range...
https://goo.gl/maps/fkx47JwJ6Hq (https://goo.gl/maps/fkx47JwJ6Hq)
The largest one I found in the Denver metro is on I-70 eastbound at the I-225 exit:
https://goo.gl/maps/hhAC7hmh8V62 (https://goo.gl/maps/hhAC7hmh8V62)
Quote from: Zeffy on January 19, 2015, 11:05:47 AM
Quote from: Tom958 on January 18, 2015, 10:06:24 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FkSH0OMj.jpg&hash=3a1adfa3be23e6165604fa95315f63c7f85b7a46)
This is what I don't like about Georgia's "APL" signs they seem to be placing around Atlanta - unless I'm blind, the lane the car taking the photo is in is not clearly marked - are you in the straight lane, are you in the exit lane for I-20? This could be a possible candidate for Redesign This!, I already have a few solutions in mind...
Quote from: Alex on January 16, 2015, 03:36:12 PM
This wretched assembly easily comes to mind:
(https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida075/i-075_sb_exit_274_07.jpg)
Same with this one. The point of APL signs is that the arrows are positioned over EACH lane! I don't see how diagrammatic signs were so confusing when these signs have arrows that don't match up to anywhere!
Construction is a wonderful thing, isn't it?
On the Georgia sign, I see the EXIT half of an EXIT ONLY label...split by the lane arrow. That tells me that that lane and the one next to it exit to I-20 east to Augusta.
For the Naples/Tampa sign above, it seems that the right lane is closed off due to construction. Probably when there is no construction the sign is more properly aligned between the two highways, but temporarily it is not. This saves the DOT the trouble of changing the whole sign, instead they simply re-position the arrows.
In that context, I would prefer they put black arrows on orange signs that are attached to the BGS. That would at least alert people to the temporary nature of the marking.
^ The arrows on that Naples/Tampa sign look pretty permanent to me...
Which if that is the case, there's not only the problem of the arrows, but the whole sign is laid out incorrectly (and is wider than necessary).
Quote from: mrsman on January 18, 2016, 07:30:19 AM
For the Naples/Tampa sign above, it seems that the right lane is closed off due to construction. Probably when there is no construction the sign is more properly aligned between the two highways, but temporarily it is not. This saves the DOT the trouble of changing the whole sign, instead they simply re-position the arrows.
In that context, I would prefer they put black arrows on orange signs that are attached to the BGS. That would at least alert people to the temporary nature of the marking.
(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-075_sb_at_i-275_01.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-075_sb_at_i-275_01.jpg)
Here is the final version of the sign (photo taken this morning). Even with a sign this large, there are still drivers making last minute lane changes, including driving completely over the chevrons ahead of the gore point.
Quote from: Alex on January 18, 2016, 08:33:20 PM
Quote from: mrsman on January 18, 2016, 07:30:19 AM
For the Naples/Tampa sign above, it seems that the right lane is closed off due to construction. Probably when there is no construction the sign is more properly aligned between the two highways, but temporarily it is not. This saves the DOT the trouble of changing the whole sign, instead they simply re-position the arrows.
In that context, I would prefer they put black arrows on orange signs that are attached to the BGS. That would at least alert people to the temporary nature of the marking.
(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-075_sb_at_i-275_01.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-075_sb_at_i-275_01.jpg)
Here is the final version of the sign (photo taken this morning). Even with a sign this large, there are still drivers making last minute lane changes, including driving completely over the chevrons ahead of the gore point.
That is the first time I have ever seen a BGS lit from both the top AND the bottom!!!
Quote from: thenetwork on January 18, 2016, 09:21:40 PM
That is the first time I have ever seen a BGS lit from both the top AND the bottom!!!
FDOT started doing that with assemblies around 2011 or so (maybe 2008?). But in 2014 they dropped sign lighting from future projects, so new signage installed now is devoid of any fixtures. :no:
Quote from: Alex on January 18, 2016, 08:33:20 PM
Here is the final version of the sign (photo taken this morning). Even with a sign this large, there are still drivers making last minute lane changes, including driving completely over the chevrons ahead of the gore point.
It's nice to see the appropriate lane arrows in the correct places, but that's not how you do "EXIT ONLY" panels.
The largest one in the Bangor area is probably this one on I-95 north approaching I-395 (exit 182A-B). Not really comparable to others on here, but it's large for central Maine standards.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8470/8136591461_4c640f76aa_z.jpg)
Another large one exists on US 202 where it meets I-395 too.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2852/13613157355_7bd0c3d59a_z.jpg)
Further downstate on I-295 in Falmouth there's this as well...
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8204/8159723560_7b7b24c9df_z.jpg)
Quote from: theline on January 04, 2016, 06:45:07 PM
Functionally, that seems to be the world's largest reassurance marker.
Er, not quite.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.9263853,-73.7700143,3a,75y,21.49h,69.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swB9Ilg4zq79VNAph6VqgEg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Not big by American standards, but this one seems like the biggest in WA. And who needs temporary directions during construction? :spin:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Flgk3ede.png%3F1&hash=9b9c9650dadf3bcaeafc8dc3a55ee5aae3ed9127)
https://www.google.com/maps/@-31.9602602,115.9538521,3a,72y,159.71h,85.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqMXHLpyBh-4gq-7dTJaN1A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@-31.9602602,115.9538521,3a,72y,159.71h,85.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqMXHLpyBh-4gq-7dTJaN1A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1)
I have always liked this one on the southbound Tri State Tollway, where I-294 meets I-80 in Markham IL
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5866928,-87.6811269,3a,75y,195.69h,101.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1FcwWXs8WobyjFx66nnVsQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: Rothman on January 04, 2016, 10:30:55 AM
Quote from: vdeane on January 16, 2015, 01:13:22 PM
Albany:
It's pretty close...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nysroads.com%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2FNY%2Fi87%2F100_6232-s.JPG&hash=f4f1aedbabd238b6feb9418772db36af236f984e)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nysroads.com%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2FNY%2Fi90%2F100_7679-s.JPG&hash=3018bfbfa18696e55db3641181208adb88dd1615)
Made me wonder about if the new "New York City" BGS on the Thruway could be considered "larger":
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6942352,-73.8442651,3a,75y,154.96h,99.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snaqh6egKAa5qdHWQgLZSxw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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Nope. :D
When did they widen that?? I guess I haven't been on I-87 in a LONG time.
Exit 24 area, 1989 for the Northway and Interstate 90, the Thruway between Exits 25A and 24, much earlier, a project of former U.S. Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Six-lane section of Interstate 90 (Thruway) to Exit 23, years 2013-14.
Long, long time in coming.
Quote from: xcellntbuy on January 21, 2016, 09:57:15 PM
Exit 24 area, 1989 for the Northway and Interstate 90, the Thruway between Exits 25A and 24, much earlier, a project of former U.S. Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Six-lane section of Interstate 90 (Thruway) to Exit 23, years 2013-14.
Long, long time in coming.
Moynihan is a major reason why I-88 got funded in the first place. Allowed him to get between Binghamton and Albany faster.
If you want a pre-1989 aerial of the area that is after the Thruway was built, the "1982 topo" on Historic Aerials is really an old satellite image that dates to the mid 70s. I know that because the Collar City Bridge has not been constructed, but the unused I-687 interchange is there.
Here's a couple Buffalo-area large signs. Some are APL's, some not.
IH 90 EB near Exit 53 (IH 190 NB):
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8711408,-78.7899455,3a,75y,22.55h,97.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sp3FRMP3hXJKftRLLE6t9PQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
IH 90 WB for Exit 55 (an absolute monstrosity):
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8408866,-78.7930004,3a,75y,193.13h,94.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sK-sL-rxkzHC9r-BMVf3TzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
And, finally, this beaut (IH 90 WB for Exit 54):
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8631546,-78.7919949,3a,75y,189.59h,95.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZLttwynVOjzT98Na-1ZLuA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: cl94 on January 22, 2016, 12:39:29 AM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on January 21, 2016, 09:57:15 PM
Exit 24 area, 1989 for the Northway and Interstate 90, the Thruway between Exits 25A and 24, much earlier, a project of former U.S. Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Six-lane section of Interstate 90 (Thruway) to Exit 23, years 2013-14.
Long, long time in coming.
Moynihan is a major reason why I-88 got funded in the first place. Allowed him to get between Binghamton and Albany faster.
So it wasn't Senator Anderson? The story I heard was that once the thing was built, he started flying. :D
Quote from: Rothman on January 22, 2016, 08:52:10 AM
Quote from: cl94 on January 22, 2016, 12:39:29 AM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on January 21, 2016, 09:57:15 PM
Exit 24 area, 1989 for the Northway and Interstate 90, the Thruway between Exits 25A and 24, much earlier, a project of former U.S. Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Six-lane section of Interstate 90 (Thruway) to Exit 23, years 2013-14.
Long, long time in coming.
Moynihan is a major reason why I-88 got funded in the first place. Allowed him to get between Binghamton and Albany faster.
So it wasn't Senator Anderson? The story I heard was that once the thing was built, he started flying. :D
You're right. Got my names mixed up.
I think in the Eugene area it goes to this one:
https://goo.gl/maps/dfsDkvxSK7m
This very wide sign in Wyoming is a contender as well
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corcohighways.org%2Fhighways%2Fwy%2Fus14%2F345to90%2F5.jpg&hash=ec27034309a805b82fe1a2e2d38b2ed0a1652f92)
They just put in a pretty big one near me at the I-84 EB/U.S. 7 NB split. It is an APL, if I am correct.
There's this one near the I-70/I-75 interchange:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8508256,-84.1897643,3a,75y,353.75h,76.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXAzf9Q7hhxby7_K2PeElVg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Since they used a dancing arrow on the shared lane it seems like it didn't need to be as far over as it is. Lot of dead space on that sign.
Passed under this massive sign this morning. I assume the information on the sign makes it obvious where it is. I kind of wish I'd gotten a little closer before taking the picture, but I wasn't sure what the motorcycle rider was going to do.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi31.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc378%2F1995hoo%2FRoad%2520sign%2520pictures%2FFlorida%2520July%25202016%2520779_zpsuha3qkdp.jpg&hash=25b6d54edfc3686321928161751dc0c1e16d2ccb)
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 31, 2016, 10:56:50 PM
Passed under this massive sign this morning. I assume the information on the sign makes it obvious where it is. I kind of wish I'd gotten a little closer before taking the picture, but I wasn't sure what the motorcycle rider was going to do.
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That's the first time I've seen the 'INNER' cardinal direction used on a BGS.
I was surprised to see the "INNER" signs because I lived in Durham in the mid-1990s when North Carolina posted "INNER" and "OUTER" in lieu of compass points on the Beltline around Raleigh. It was a complete failure and they quickly changed it back, so complete a failure that I was surprised to see them trying it again elsewhere, even recognizing that I-485 forms a complete beltway (unlike the Beltline, which involves a TOTSO situation).
One difference was that I-485 did have some signs saying "NORTH" and "SOUTH" when we first exited to it from northbound I-85. The Beltline experiment dropped such designations completely. But most of I-485's signage once we were on the road had just "INNER."
Too bad English doesn't have shorter words for CLOCKWISE and COUNTER-CLOCKWISE.
Quote from: jbnv on August 01, 2016, 08:23:30 AM
Too bad English doesn't have shorter words for CLOCKWISE and COUNTER-CLOCKWISE.
My wife asked what "INNER" and "OUTER" meant and I analogized it to how people here refer to the Beltway's Inner and Outer Loops, and I was then astonished when she said she's never sure which one is which (like me, she's lived here for over 40 years).
I kind of think anything along the lines of "clockwise" may assume too much of the person of average ignorance who can't visualize an area map, or the overall relationship between locations, in his head.
One of these days, the terms "clockwise" and "counterclockwise" are going to be unknown to the vast majority of people, because of digital timepieces. I still wear a wristwatch, and the one I currently have is analog, but I think we are probably going to end up with an entire generation that doesn't know how to tell time before too long.
Quote from: hbelkins on August 02, 2016, 11:28:07 AM
One of these days, the terms "clockwise" and "counterclockwise" are going to be unknown to the vast majority of people, because of digital timepieces. I still wear a wristwatch, and the one I currently have is analog, but I think we are probably going to end up with an entire generation that doesn't know how to tell time before too long.
Rhetorical question: What direction do you turn a screw to turn it in?
To be fair, we can probably get by with saying "leftward" and "rightward" instead.
Are those gigantic BGS's on I-40 by I-540 and the RDU Airport still up?
Quote from: amroad17 on August 02, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
Are those gigantic BGS's on I-40 by I-540 and the RDU Airport still up?
Quote from: slorydn1 on January 04, 2016, 09:58:05 AM
How about this monstrosity (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8605747,-78.8134486,3a,75y,314.39h,91.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svXRGZiuFkBKKkL0WScHgjA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) on I-40 westbound approaching exit 283 in the RDU area. The first time I saw it I cringed as a semi was approaching it, I did't think it was going to make it underneath at first. Of course, it did with many feet to spare, LOL.
Yep.
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 02, 2016, 07:25:34 AM
Quote from: jbnv on August 01, 2016, 08:23:30 AM
Too bad English doesn't have shorter words for CLOCKWISE and COUNTER-CLOCKWISE.
My wife asked what "INNER" and "OUTER" meant and I analogized it to how people here refer to the Beltway's Inner and Outer Loops, and I was then astonished when she said she's never sure which one is which (like me, she's lived here for over 40 years).
I kind of think anything along the lines of "clockwise" may assume too much of the person of average ignorance who can't visualize an area map, or the overall relationship between locations, in his head.
I think the confusion between inner loop and outer loop, particularly for smaller beltways that change dirction from E-W to N-S in a short span of space, highlights the importance of using proper control cities.
When I first moved to Maryland, someone was giving me directions to Pikesville (just NW of Baltimore city). He said take 95 north to 695 to Reisterstown Rd. I asked him which direction do I go on 695 and he said that he didn't know ("It could be north, it could be east, but it's definitely in the direction of Towson whatever highway you take from the DC area just follow the signs to Towson.")
This on is on I-295 SB approaching I-64 (Exit 28) east of Richmond
https://goo.gl/maps/MVDi3wxakDr
This one is north of Richmond on I-95 SB about a mile north of Exit 86. I know the sun kind of blow this view... it says I-295 south (Exit 84A). It's a pretty big sign to be mounted on a gantry that doesn't span the entire length of the carriageway
https://goo.gl/maps/UYLWtucCL1A2
Quote from: plain on October 07, 2016, 04:38:21 PM
This one is north of Richmond on I-95 SB about a mile north of Exit 86. I know the sun kind of blow this view... it says I-295 south (Exit 84A). It's a pretty big sign to be mounted on a gantry that doesn't span the entire length of the carriageway
https://goo.gl/maps/UYLWtucCL1A2
Assuming standard lane widths, I put the sign panel at 24 feet wide, and the cantilever arm at 35 feet long. Not unusual at all, although if I were designing a new installation, I would extend the cantilever arm and sign panel from the left side of the road instead of from the right side - that would give drivers an additional visual clue this is a left exit.
Quote from: roadman on October 11, 2016, 04:12:53 PM
Quote from: plain on October 07, 2016, 04:38:21 PM
This one is north of Richmond on I-95 SB about a mile north of Exit 86. I know the sun kind of blow this view... it says I-295 south (Exit 84A). It's a pretty big sign to be mounted on a gantry that doesn't span the entire length of the carriageway
https://goo.gl/maps/UYLWtucCL1A2
Assuming standard lane widths, I put the sign panel at 24 feet wide, and the cantilever arm at 35 feet long. Not unusual at all, although if I were designing a new installation, I would extend the cantilever arm and sign panel from the left side of the road instead of from the right side - that would give drivers an additional visual clue this is a left exit.
Yes this gantry should most definitely be mounted on the left side, no doubt. However, even at 24 feet wide, this is a pretty big sign to be mounted on a frail gantry... the gantry itself might very well be 35 feet long but it's not thick at all.. I guess GSV doesn't give my point any justice lol
Quote from: plain on October 11, 2016, 09:37:49 PM
Quote from: roadman on October 11, 2016, 04:12:53 PM
Quote from: plain on October 07, 2016, 04:38:21 PM
This one is north of Richmond on I-95 SB about a mile north of Exit 86. I know the sun kind of blow this view... it says I-295 south (Exit 84A). It's a pretty big sign to be mounted on a gantry that doesn't span the entire length of the carriageway
https://goo.gl/maps/UYLWtucCL1A2
Assuming standard lane widths, I put the sign panel at 24 feet wide, and the cantilever arm at 35 feet long. Not unusual at all, although if I were designing a new installation, I would extend the cantilever arm and sign panel from the left side of the road instead of from the right side - that would give drivers an additional visual clue this is a left exit.
Yes this gantry should most definitely be mounted on the left side, no doubt. However, even at 24 feet wide, this is a pretty big sign to be mounted on a frail gantry... the gantry itself might very well be 35 feet long but it's not thick at all.. I guess GSV doesn't give my point any justice lol
Yeah...because you looking at it in a picture know so much more than the engineers that designed the structure.
Quote from: plain on October 11, 2016, 09:37:49 PM
Yes this gantry should most definitely be mounted on the left side, no doubt. However, even at 24 feet wide, this is a pretty big sign to be mounted on a frail gantry... the gantry itself might very well be 35 feet long but it's not thick at all.. I guess GSV doesn't give my point any justice lol
If you zoom in and look closely, you can see that the sign gantry is a box truss mounted on a fairly substantial tubular upright. A standard design for most cantilever supports these days, and hardly what I would call frail.
Quote from: roadman on October 12, 2016, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: plain on October 11, 2016, 09:37:49 PM
Yes this gantry should most definitely be mounted on the left side, no doubt. However, even at 24 feet wide, this is a pretty big sign to be mounted on a frail gantry... the gantry itself might very well be 35 feet long but it's not thick at all.. I guess GSV doesn't give my point any justice lol
If you zoom in and look closely, you can see that the sign gantry is a box truss mounted on a fairly substantial tubular upright. A standard design for most cantilever supports these days, and hardly what I would call frail.
I've seen how it's constructed I've been driving under it ever since it's been there lol. I was noting the box truss part in particular when I called it frail. Standard practice or not it's still a pretty big sign for that installation
Outer Loop Capital Beltway, College Park, Maryland is this (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0227576,-76.9417397,3a,75y,302.1h,88.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szO6801fDjWNyYAR7TNjoWg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).