Saw this on yahoo today: Texas State Highway 16 only ranks as the fifth longest state highway in the country
Anyone know what the whole top 10 are?
Did find this, which just has the longest one in each state. Sure looks like MT/ND/MN 200 could be a US highway
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_state_highways_in_the_United_States
Note that the list is not the longest 50 state highways, since that list would have more than one from many states. But SH 16 being fifth does appear to be correct.
ID/MT/ND/MN-200 is the longest by a long shot. I don't know if MSR-789 used to be longer before being mostly eliminated.
If we're going multistate, CO/NM/TX 1 was more than 1600 miles in 1926, and KS/NE/AR/TN 1 was more than 1400 miles.
Not saying these are the longest, but many state routes that are multiplexed a lot and a lot of "secret highways" are very long, such as GA 1 (stays with US 27 all the way through GA) and GA 3 (stays with US 19 in all of south & middle GA and US 41 from there to TN).
EDIT: And all the secret state routes that are concurrent with interstates in Georgia (ex. GA 401 is with I-75 all the way through GA)
Yes, some may be longer. OK-3 is pretty worthless. 200 on 2nd thought might not be much of a US highway is it does not appear to be a very efficient route to travel.
MN 1 has a handful of lengthy duplexes (US 53, MN 89, MN 169) - although MN 23 is shorter by a few miles (it may have been a little longer than MN 1 before its portion through Duluth was truncated back in 1997) it is a much more independent route.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 25, 2015, 06:03:37 PM
MN 1 has a handful of lengthy duplexes (US 53, MN 89, MN 169) - although MN 23 is shorter by a few miles (it may have been a little longer than MN 1 before its portion through Duluth was truncated back in 1997) it is a much more independent route.
No offense to your avatar but I think they should have extended MN-23 instead of changing US 61 to MN-61
Quote from: texaskdog on January 25, 2015, 06:18:20 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 25, 2015, 06:03:37 PM
MN 1 has a handful of lengthy duplexes (US 53, MN 89, MN 169) - although MN 23 is shorter by a few miles (it may have been a little longer than MN 1 before its portion through Duluth was truncated back in 1997) it is a much more independent route.
No offense to your avatar but I think they should have extended MN-23 instead of changing US 61 to MN-61
I don't think US 61 ever should have been removed to begin with and I've never been able to find out why they did that. If it was bugging them that much, they could have just done what they did with US 12 and US 52 and just hide it along 35 until Duluth.
In Florida it would have to be FL 5 which goes from Key West to the GA Border. However it is unsigned most of its way so I guess FL 20 would be if it were for the visible routes. US 98, though, is the longest signed route of all highways, but not a state highway.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 25, 2015, 06:21:48 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 25, 2015, 06:18:20 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 25, 2015, 06:03:37 PM
MN 1 has a handful of lengthy duplexes (US 53, MN 89, MN 169) - although MN 23 is shorter by a few miles (it may have been a little longer than MN 1 before its portion through Duluth was truncated back in 1997) it is a much more independent route.
No offense to your avatar but I think they should have extended MN-23 instead of changing US 61 to MN-61
I don't think US 61 ever should have been removed to begin with and I've never been able to find out why they did that. If it was bugging them that much, they could have just done what they did with US 12 and US 52 and just hide it along 35 until Duluth.
Minnesota doesn't like gaps within the state. They could have just made it US 153 or 802 or whatever number was available.
BC 97...
PA 29(northern)/NY 7/VT/NH/ME 9 is a little over 700 miles.
Quote from: Beeper1 on January 25, 2015, 01:34:19 PM
ID/MT/ND/MN-200 is the longest by a long shot. I don't know if MSR-789 used to be longer before being mostly eliminated.
No, not by a long shot at all. Using the mileage derived by the Clinched Highways project, which actually shortchanges the true length a bit, we have:
MSR 200: 1363.5 miles
BC 97: 1351.9 miles*
For fun, let's add up the spurs, business routes and alternates.
ID 200 Bus (Hope) 1.4
MT 200S 45.5
ND 200 Alt (Washburn) 36.8
ND 200 Alt (Hillsboro) 8.5
That adds 92.2 miles to MSR 200, for 1455.7 miles.
(BC 97A, B and D are not in the Clinched Highways database. Using Wikipedia's reported lengths)
BC 97A 40
BC 97B 9
BC 97C 138.1
BC 97D 15
202.1 miles, bringing BC 97 to 1554.
Also, ON 11 (1118) and 17 (1213.8) both would like to chime in.
*I'm not sure Wikipedia accounts for BC 97's mileage in Yukon as it border hops a few times before switching to YT 1.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on January 25, 2015, 09:46:21 PM
PA 29(northern)/NY 7/VT/NH/ME 9 is a little over 700 miles.
So now we're just chaining together state routes with different numbers and calling them one route for statistics purposes?
Quote from: vtk on January 26, 2015, 01:58:40 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on January 25, 2015, 09:46:21 PM
PA 29(northern)/NY 7/VT/NH/ME 9 is a little over 700 miles.
So now we're just chaining together state routes with different numbers and calling them one route for statistics purposes?
If that's the case, I guess we can pull out the Alaska Highway or the Northern Woods and Water Route...
Quote from: vtk on January 26, 2015, 01:58:40 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on January 25, 2015, 09:46:21 PM
PA 29(northern)/NY 7/VT/NH/ME 9 is a little over 700 miles.
So now we're just chaining together state routes with different numbers and calling them one route for statistics purposes?
VT/NH/ME 9 is definitely a single route. NY 7 would be considered the same route if it was numbered 9 like the others (which would never happen because of US 9).
NY 7 was NY 9 before 1926.
Pennsylvania seems pretty well-served by east/west U.S. highways, so it's no surprise to me that the longest state route is actually a north/south highway.
By the way, I've nearly clinched GA 11, so that'll be awesome when I do. I also want to drive the whole length of MO 5 someday.
Quote from: vtk on January 26, 2015, 01:58:40 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on January 25, 2015, 09:46:21 PM
PA 29(northern)/NY 7/VT/NH/ME 9 is a little over 700 miles.
So now we're just chaining together state routes with different numbers and calling them one route for statistics purposes?
Well this was meant to be "one state route". It's my fault for commenting on highway 200.
Quote from: NE2 on January 26, 2015, 06:02:53 AM
NY 7 was NY 9 before 1926.
Moving up from #9 to #7..makes you miss Casey Kasem.
Quote from: texaskdog on January 26, 2015, 08:30:42 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 26, 2015, 06:02:53 AM
NY 7 was NY 9 before 1926.
Moving up from #9 to #7..makes you miss Casey Kasem.
No it doesn't. Stop lying about me.
I'd guess that CA 1 and FL A1A are probably up there.
Quote from: dgolub on January 26, 2015, 08:48:37 AM
I'd guess that CA 1 and FL A1A are probably up there.
Quote from: texaskdog on January 25, 2015, 11:45:43 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_state_highways_in_the_United_States
Quote from: NE2 on January 26, 2015, 10:31:43 AM
Quote from: dgolub on January 26, 2015, 08:48:37 AM
I'd guess that CA 1 and FL A1A are probably up there.
Quote from: texaskdog on January 25, 2015, 11:45:43 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_state_highways_in_the_United_States
Hmm, I actually dispute Oregon's longest being 140 as Oklahoma's is OK 3 and 3E according to the notes. With that argument, Oregon's should be OR 99 and 99E, coming in at 319 miles, well over OR 140's 237. If counting mileage along one leg of a split route disqualifies a route, then 140 would be longest, and the next longest route in OK would have to step up.
I'd also like to see lists of the longest provincial/territorial highways for Canada and state/territorial for Australia.
Quote from: Bickendan on January 26, 2015, 12:06:49 PM
Hmm, I actually dispute Oregon's longest being 140 as Oklahoma's is OK 3 and 3E according to the notes. With that argument, Oregon's should be OR 99 and 99E, coming in at 319 miles, well over OR 140's 237.
Good point. OR 99 is actually continuous, right?
Yes, it officially duplexes on I-5.
I've never been able to find a straight answer on IL-110's exact mileage, but I know it is close to IL-1's and may even surpass it. Although I'd have a hard time accepting it as the longest Illinois route even if it were longer than 1, given how absolutely pointless it is.
Quote from: ajlynch91 on January 28, 2015, 05:48:10 PM
I've never been able to find a straight answer on IL-110's exact mileage, but I know it is close to IL-1's and may even surpass it.
The Goog says 327 miles for 110 and 324 for 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Route_1 says 325.59. Too close to call.
Arkansas is AR 7 at 296 miles
Quote from: robbones on January 29, 2015, 01:22:55 PM
Arkansas is AR 7 at 296 miles
We know.
Quote from: texaskdog on January 25, 2015, 11:45:43 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_state_highways_in_the_United_States
For Mississippi, I believe MS 15 is the longest, though there is a gap south of Beaumont near the De Soto National Forest. From Beaumont northward, it goes uninterrupted to the Tennessee line north of Walnut.
Quote from: NE2 on January 26, 2015, 06:02:53 AM
NY 7 was NY 9 before 1926.
And back then, ME9 was actually somewhat sensible in ending at Wells, and not Calais. :P
Quote from: NE2 on January 26, 2015, 10:31:43 AM
Quote from: dgolub on January 26, 2015, 08:48:37 AM
I'd guess that CA 1 and FL A1A are probably up there.
Quote from: texaskdog on January 25, 2015, 11:45:43 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_state_highways_in_the_United_States
You've been NE2 for a long time, but just haven't yet become NE1
Most weeks at number two (without hitting number one)
10 weeks
Foreigner – "Waiting for a Girl Like You" (1981—1982) Missy Elliott – "Work It" (2002—2003) 9 weeks
Donna Lewis – "I Love You Always Forever" (1996) Shania Twain – "You're Still the One" (1998) 8 weeks
Shai – "If I Ever Fall in Love" (1992—1993) Deborah Cox – "Nobody's Supposed to Be Here" (1998—1999) Brian McKnight – "Back at One" (1999—2000) Mario Winans featuring Enya and P. Diddy – "I Don't Wanna Know" (2004)
what
Quote from: texaskdog on March 06, 2015, 12:33:57 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 26, 2015, 10:31:43 AM
Quote from: dgolub on January 26, 2015, 08:48:37 AM
I'd guess that CA 1 and FL A1A are probably up there.
Quote from: texaskdog on January 25, 2015, 11:45:43 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_state_highways_in_the_United_States
You've been NE2 for a long time, but just haven't yet become NE1
Most weeks at number two (without hitting number one)
10 weeks
Foreigner – "Waiting for a Girl Like You" (1981—1982) Missy Elliott – "Work It" (2002—2003) 9 weeks
Donna Lewis – "I Love You Always Forever" (1996) Shania Twain – "You're Still the One" (1998) 8 weeks
Shai – "If I Ever Fall in Love" (1992—1993) Deborah Cox – "Nobody's Supposed to Be Here" (1998—1999) Brian McKnight – "Back at One" (1999—2000) Mario Winans featuring Enya and P. Diddy – "I Don't Wanna Know" (2004)
I presume you have a non-trolling point with this...?
Quote from: Bickendan on January 26, 2015, 12:06:49 PM
I'd also like to see lists of the longest provincial/territorial highways for Canada and state/territorial for Australia.
For New South Wales, I guess the longest state route was SR87 which was 651km (404mi).
Quote from: Beeper1 on January 25, 2015, 01:34:19 PM
ID/MT/ND/MN-200 is the longest by a long shot.
I'm gonna have to disagree based on the numbers provided by Bickendan. It is not a long-shot state highway by any means, although, not to to minimize its importance, it is considered a Top 5 potentially. The bulk of MSR 200 is through Montana. It's purely the most important state route to date covering a wide range of mid-size cities and rural communities within the entire Montana state highway system.
Quote from: national highway 1 on March 07, 2015, 12:25:24 AM
Quote from: Bickendan on January 26, 2015, 12:06:49 PM
I'd also like to see lists of the longest provincial/territorial highways for Canada and state/territorial for Australia.
For New South Wales, I guess the longest state route was SR87 which was 651km (404mi).
Past tense?
Australia has been renumbering for decades, converting to a national alphanumeric system
For Ohio, i think Ohio 7 (Conneaut to Portsmouth, mostly along the Ohio River) is the longest State Route, but Ohio 3 (Cincinnati to Cleveland) and Ohio 4 (North Cincinnati to Sandusky) would be pretty close behind....
Quote from: 1 on January 26, 2015, 05:37:42 AM
Quote from: vtk on January 26, 2015, 01:58:40 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on January 25, 2015, 09:46:21 PM
PA 29(northern)/NY 7/VT/NH/ME 9 is a little over 700 miles.
So now we're just chaining together state routes with different numbers and calling them one route for statistics purposes?
VT/NH/ME 9 is definitely a single route. NY 7 would be considered the same route if it was numbered 9 like the others (which would never happen because of US 9).
I have to agree. East of I-87, at least, it functions as a single route and it really should be numbered as such. Heck, why it isn't US 109 is beyond me.
Quote from: Beeper1 on January 25, 2015, 01:34:19 PM
ID/MT/ND/MN-200 is the longest by a long shot. I don't know if MSR-789 used to be longer before being mostly eliminated.
Extend that over US 2 to WA-20 and make is US 200 and everyone would be happy.
Quote from: cl94 on March 07, 2015, 01:15:53 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 26, 2015, 05:37:42 AM
Quote from: vtk on January 26, 2015, 01:58:40 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on January 25, 2015, 09:46:21 PM
PA 29(northern)/NY 7/VT/NH/ME 9 is a little over 700 miles.
So now we're just chaining together state routes with different numbers and calling them one route for statistics purposes?
VT/NH/ME 9 is definitely a single route. NY 7 would be considered the same route if it was numbered 9 like the others (which would never happen because of US 9).
I have to agree. East of I-87, at least, it functions as a single route and it really should be numbered as such. Heck, why it isn't US 109 is beyond me.
Or US 4 as if you go between Troy, NY and Rochester, NH. The NY 7/VT 9/ NH 9 is shortest then US 4.
Remember parts of US 4 were US 9 that got moved to the west shore of the Hudson which gives it that awkward alignment.
Even US 104 would be great for it.
Quote from: texaskdog on January 25, 2015, 11:45:43 AM
Did find this, which just has the longest one in each state. Sure looks like MT/ND/MN 200 could be a US highway
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_state_highways_in_the_United_States
I'd have to quibble with Alabama. Yes, SR-3 is technically the longest state route, but since it is the unsigned state route assigned to US-31, in some respects it doesn't even count. The longest stand-alone route in the state is SR-69 (281 miles), followed by SR-21 (279 miles).
Quote from: Bickendan on March 07, 2015, 12:58:27 AM
Quote from: national highway 1 on March 07, 2015, 12:25:24 AM
Quote from: Bickendan on January 26, 2015, 12:06:49 PM
I'd also like to see lists of the longest provincial/territorial highways for Canada and state/territorial for Australia.
For New South Wales, I guess the longest state route was SR87 which was 651km (404mi).
Past tense?
Quote from: english si on March 07, 2015, 05:56:25 AM
Australia has been renumbering for decades, converting to a national alphanumeric system
That is correct. New South Wales converted to alphanumeric routes in 2013.
Surprised by Wisconsin. I really thought it would be 13, with that weird east-west segment that follows the Lake Superior shoreline above Ashland. I suppose I forgot that it doesn't make it to Illinois like 35 does, albeit 35 overlaps US 61 for a lot of it. I suppose the original WI-13 probably wins hands down.
Quote from: mrose on March 08, 2015, 04:19:36 AM
I suppose the original WI-13 probably wins hands down.
Actually the original WI 10 (now US 51 and US 2) wins. Numbers were deliberately assigned in reverse order of length.
Quote from: mrose on March 08, 2015, 04:19:36 AM
Surprised by Wisconsin. I really thought it would be 13, with that weird east-west segment that follows the Lake Superior shoreline above Ashland. I suppose I forgot that it doesn't make it to Illinois like 35 does, albeit 35 overlaps US 61 for a lot of it. I suppose the original WI-13 probably wins hands down.
Problem with 35 is it's a road no one would actually drive end to end. My plan always has 35 following County F from Hudson to Prescott, with US 10 moving over to the 35 alignment from I-94 to Ellsworth.
Going international, in Quebec, R-132 is 1,611 km (1,001 miles) long, and R-138 is 1,521 km (945 miles) long with all the segments added up (1,420 / 882 for the main segment).
Quote from: texaskdog on March 09, 2015, 08:03:11 AM
Problem with 35 is it's a road no one would actually drive end to end.
Why do you say that? It's mostly the Great River Road south of Prescott, so a lazy tourist from Duluth might decide to stick with 35 rather than follow county roads in the places where the GRR leaves.
Quote from: NE2 on March 08, 2015, 12:20:31 PM
Quote from: mrose on March 08, 2015, 04:19:36 AM
I suppose the original WI-13 probably wins hands down.
Actually the original WI 10 (now US 51 and US 2) wins. Numbers were deliberately assigned in reverse order of length.
Would that have made WI 11 longer as well then?
Quote from: mrose on March 09, 2015, 04:30:04 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 08, 2015, 12:20:31 PM
Quote from: mrose on March 08, 2015, 04:19:36 AM
I suppose the original WI-13 probably wins hands down.
Actually the original WI 10 (now US 51 and US 2) wins. Numbers were deliberately assigned in reverse order of length.
Would that have made WI 11 longer as well then?
Not longer than 10 was.
Quote from: NE2 on March 09, 2015, 02:24:17 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on March 09, 2015, 08:03:11 AM
Problem with 35 is it's a road no one would actually drive end to end.
Why do you say that? It's mostly the Great River Road south of Prescott, so a lazy tourist from Duluth might decide to stick with 35 rather than follow county roads in the places where the GRR leaves.
South of Prescott 35 isn't the fastest route to get from point A to B. That's probably what he meant when he said people won't drive it from end to end.
Example: although 35 goes directly into La Crosse, traffic is advised to dump 35 at Galesville for US 53/WIS 93.
Quote from: Bickendan on January 26, 2015, 02:51:06 PM
Yes, it officially duplexes on I-5.
I thought ODOT doesn't sign duplexes or even acknowledge their existence?
Quote from: JustDrive on March 10, 2015, 01:31:02 AM
Quote from: Bickendan on January 26, 2015, 02:51:06 PM
Yes, it officially duplexes on I-5.
I thought ODOT doesn't sign duplexes or even acknowledge their existence?
Really.
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.653502,-123.060972,3a,75y,19.97h,98.16t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s4Av-MKeyRO_NioMhMQXk4A!2e0
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.718642,-119.014808,3a,75y,129.24h,99.47t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sKSqD0gVP-Z17xI9_ATmD7Q!2e0
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.213967,-123.354541,3a,75y,307.11h,101t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1syvW64e9qL4PnmCEhNZalhg!2e0
Also: http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/HWY/TRAFFIC-ROADWAY/docs/pdf/descriptions_of_us_and_oregon_routes.pdf
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 09, 2015, 11:17:44 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 09, 2015, 02:24:17 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on March 09, 2015, 08:03:11 AM
Problem with 35 is it's a road no one would actually drive end to end.
Why do you say that? It's mostly the Great River Road south of Prescott, so a lazy tourist from Duluth might decide to stick with 35 rather than follow county roads in the places where the GRR leaves.
South of Prescott 35 isn't the fastest route to get from point A to B. That's probably what he meant when he said people won't drive it from end to end.
Example: although 35 goes directly into La Crosse, traffic is advised to dump 35 at Galesville for US 53/WIS 93.
I meant that there are so many twists and turns unless you were deliberately driving 35 to drive 35 you wouldn't. It's pretty much straight south from SUperior, jogs way west to Houlton & Hudson, then doubles back to River Falls, then back to Prescott. I'd take that jog out since you could go from Hudson to Prescott on county F and it's a lot faster. I'd reroute US 10 over this stretch, leaving the WI portion to be an extension os WI 72 and MN could be MN 95. If 10 can't be rerouted, I'd just give the Hudson to Ellsworth highway it's own new number.
Quote from: NE2 on March 10, 2015, 02:46:09 AM
Also: http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/HWY/TRAFFIC-ROADWAY/docs/pdf/descriptions_of_us_and_oregon_routes.pdf
I stand corrected, though Google Maps goes out of their way to point out concurrencies that aren't signed (i.e. CA 99 and CA 16 along the W-X portion of Business 80)
Oklahoma 3 goes all the way from the Colorado border to the Arkansas border, I haven't added all the miles , but that would certainly be right up there with CA 1. Texas 6 and Texas 16 are two others that come to mind also.
Quote from: sandiaman on March 10, 2015, 05:53:04 PM
Oklahoma 3 goes all the way from the Colorado border to the Arkansas border, I haven't added all the miles , but that would certainly be right up there with CA 1. Texas 6 and Texas 16 are two others that come to mind also.
Quote from: texaskdog on January 25, 2015, 11:45:43 AM
Did find this, which just has the longest one in each state. Sure looks like MT/ND/MN 200 could be a US highway
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_state_highways_in_the_United_States
Quote from: JustDrive on March 10, 2015, 05:10:35 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 10, 2015, 02:46:09 AM
Also: http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/HWY/TRAFFIC-ROADWAY/docs/pdf/descriptions_of_us_and_oregon_routes.pdf
I stand corrected, though Google Maps goes out of their way to point out concurrencies that aren't signed (i.e. CA 99 and CA 16 along the W-X portion of Business 80)
That's because in California, most route definitions actually have gaps over overlaps with the overlap being implied, with a few exceptions.
At some point, the Goog ran an algorithm to add overlaps between segments of same-numbered routes, whether or not they exist on the ground. Arkansas has a bunch of bogus ones, and Kissimmee, FL still has CR 532 on old US 17-92 (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Osceola+Polk+Line+Rd&daddr=28.29928,-81.4036404+to:Nova+Rd&hl=en&ll=28.297409,-81.405301&spn=0.013471,0.024784&sll=28.298675,-81.396246&sspn=0.026942,0.049567&geocode=FTU4rwEdvFgj-w%3BFRDQrwEdCOEl-ynrM9f6IoTdiDH_E_iSIpGL-A%3BFYJzrwEdEW0p-w&mra=dpe&mrsp=1&sz=15&via=1&t=m&z=16).
The Google says that OK 3 is 558 miles long, while Wikipedia claims that it's 615 miles long. Which is right?
Wikipedia includes OK 3E's miles as part of OK 3's.
Quote from: Bickendan on March 13, 2015, 10:59:57 AM
Wikipedia includes OK 3E's miles as part of OK 3's.
OK 3E ≠OK 3.
Quote from: bugo on March 13, 2015, 11:01:18 AM
Quote from: Bickendan on March 13, 2015, 10:59:57 AM
Wikipedia includes OK 3E's miles as part of OK 3's.
OK 3E ≠OK 3.
MNDOT disagrees in terms of I-35E's exit numbers: I-35's exit numbers (and mileage) follows I-35E through the Twin Cities.
I believe the same happens in Texas.
With that precedent, I can see why OK 3 and 3E would be combined for a single mainline mileage, and why I would do the same for OR 99 and 99E.