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Title: Any "TWO-WAY" Plaques Still Under STOP signs?
Post by: Brian556 on February 24, 2015, 03:01:38 PM
In the old days, it was common for red "TWO-WAY" plaques to be used under STOP signs to indicate that cross traffic did not stop.
This practice, in my opinion, was a very bad idea that in a lot of ways made things worse, not better. This is because when drivers see a red plaque under a stop sign, the automatically think it means that all ways stop.

This practice was equivalent to farting to cover up the smell of rotting garbage.

Are there any of these "TWO WAY" plaques still in use?
Title: Re: Any "TWO-WAY" Plaques Still Under STOP signs?
Post by: Brandon on February 24, 2015, 03:09:42 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on February 24, 2015, 03:01:38 PM
In the old days, it was common for red "TWO-WAY" plaques to be used under STOP signs to indicate that cross traffic did not stop.
This practice, in my opinion, was a very bad idea that in a lot of ways made things worse, not better. This is because when drivers see a red plaque under a stop sign, the automatically think it means that all ways stop.

This practice was equivalent to farting to cover up the smell of rotting garbage.

Are there any of these "TWO WAY" plaques still in use?

All over the City of Aurora, Illinois.  Seems to have been their SOP at one time.

Examples:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.752695,-88.308013,3a,27.6y,50.1h,86.45t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sluzYfPDAAcJSDk1-ewBs9A!2e0
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.748967,-88.29088,3a,16.2y,291.36h,87.35t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sEwcK6gzwE1y2gXKBT0hZOg!2e0
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.770239,-88.35524,3a,30.2y,246.7h,80.71t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s71sXEQXx7Iio3hVLZq2wmw!2e0
Title: Re: Any "TWO-WAY" Plaques Still Under STOP signs?
Post by: Ian on February 24, 2015, 03:24:16 PM
I've seen this done in my hometown of Media, PA

http://goo.gl/maps/Oob95

(also, this GSV capture would do well in the "Department of Redundancy Department" thread)
Title: Re: Any "TWO-WAY" Plaques Still Under STOP signs?
Post by: roadman on February 24, 2015, 03:31:35 PM
Quote from: Ian on February 24, 2015, 03:24:16 PM
I've seen this done in my hometown of Media, PA

http://goo.gl/maps/Oob95

(also, this GSV capture would do well in the "Department of Redundancy Department" thread)

The breakaway sign post immediately in front of the non-breakaway tree is a nice touch.
Title: Re: Any "TWO-WAY" Plaques Still Under STOP signs?
Post by: Big John on February 24, 2015, 03:41:55 PM
^^ Likely the tree was blocking the back sign for motorists, so they came up with that.

The only time I saw a "2 WAY" placard was at an intersection of 2 one-way streets, but that no longer exists.
Title: Re: Any "TWO-WAY" Plaques Still Under STOP signs?
Post by: KEK Inc. on February 24, 2015, 04:18:02 PM
I don't think I've seen a 2-way stop sign in Seattle.  We usually use ALL WAY, since there's many intersections with 5+ stop signs.

That said, this monstrosity of an intersection doesn't have that plaque. 

https://goo.gl/maps/epGWR
Title: Re: Any "TWO-WAY" Plaques Still Under STOP signs?
Post by: hbelkins on February 24, 2015, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on February 24, 2015, 03:01:38 PM
In the old days, it was common for red "TWO-WAY" plaques to be used under STOP signs to indicate that cross traffic did not stop.
This practice, in my opinion, was a very bad idea that in a lot of ways made things worse, not better. This is because when drivers see a red plaque under a stop sign, the automatically think it means that all ways stop.

This practice was equivalent to farting to cover up the smell of rotting garbage.

Are there any of these "TWO WAY" plaques still in use?

Yes, in my hometown. "Cross traffic does not stop" signs were requested, but "2-Way" (with the "2" obviously being placed atop a "3" or "4") plaques were installed instead.
Title: Re: Any "TWO-WAY" Plaques Still Under STOP signs?
Post by: cjk374 on February 24, 2015, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on February 24, 2015, 03:01:38 PM
In the old days, it was common for red "TWO-WAY" plaques to be used under STOP signs to indicate that cross traffic did not stop.
This practice, in my opinion, was a very bad idea that in a lot of ways made things worse, not better. This is because when drivers see a red plaque under a stop sign, the automatically think it means that all ways stop.

This practice was equivalent to farting to cover up the smell of rotting garbage.

Are there any of these "TWO WAY" plaques still in use?

The "cross traffic does not stop" sign, W4-4P, confused me the very 1st time I saw it.  I read the sign and thought, "I don't have to stop if I am going straight across through the intersection?"  That didn't make sense, especially with 2 big 48" STOP signs staring me down.  I figured it out about a minute later.
Title: Re: Any "TWO-WAY" Plaques Still Under STOP signs?
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 24, 2015, 10:44:00 PM
Have one '2-way' set still in my neighborhood. Also have two sets of '3-way' signs.
Title: Re: Any "TWO-WAY" Plaques Still Under STOP signs?
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on February 24, 2015, 11:24:14 PM
I'm not sure I've ever seen a two-way plaque. Usually under the stop sign is a white command sign saying "CROSS TRAFFIC DOES NOT STOP" in these cases.
Title: Re: Any "TWO-WAY" Plaques Still Under STOP signs?
Post by: US81 on February 25, 2015, 08:42:48 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 24, 2015, 11:24:14 PM
I'm not sure I've ever seen a two-way plaque. Usually under the stop sign is a white command sign saying "CROSS TRAFFIC DOES NOT STOP" in these cases.

I think this is true now in most areas. I remember "Two-Way" signs from the 1970s but by the 1990s the "Cross Traffic Does Not Stop" had pretty much replaced them, at least around me. Like cjk374 it took me a minute to parse it out, but I think it's a more clear about the hazard.
Title: Re: Any "TWO-WAY" Plaques Still Under STOP signs?
Post by: kphoger on February 25, 2015, 09:03:24 AM
QuoteOP

Yes.
Title: Re: Any "TWO-WAY" Plaques Still Under STOP signs?
Post by: 1995hoo on February 25, 2015, 09:35:46 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 24, 2015, 11:24:14 PM
I'm not sure I've ever seen a two-way plaque. Usually under the stop sign is a white command sign saying "CROSS TRAFFIC DOES NOT STOP" in these cases.

I don't think I've ever seen two-way either. There's an intersection about a mile from us by road (maybe half a mile as the crow flies) that used to have a four-way stop but is now a two-way. The road that still has the stop has black-on-yellow "Cross Traffic Does Not Stop" signs underneath the stop signs. They were necessary when the all-way stop was eliminated. They're probably not needed any more since its been a few years, but I suppose they aren't doing any harm.
Title: Re: Any "TWO-WAY" Plaques Still Under STOP signs?
Post by: PHLBOS on February 25, 2015, 09:41:11 AM
Quote from: Ian on February 24, 2015, 03:24:16 PM
I've seen this done in my hometown of Media, PA
Nearly every side street that crosses Clifton Ave. in Collingdale, PA has similar (http://goo.gl/maps/IqhGn).
Title: Re: Any "TWO-WAY" Plaques Still Under STOP signs?
Post by: freebrickproductions on February 25, 2015, 04:52:08 PM
I think there are some over in Decatur, AL and/or Madison, AL.