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Title: Partially Buried Bridge?
Post by: silverback1065 on March 02, 2015, 02:38:44 PM
On the east side of Indianapolis, Sherman Drive used to pass over I-70 on a bridge, and back in around 2007, this was flipped, and I-70 now over passes Sherman Drive.  I drove through there on Sherman a few weeks ago, and it appears that they simply left the old Sherman drive bridge there and put soil up under it. 

Here's the street view: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.797172,-86.102373,3a,75y,30.58h,76.76t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sgl48Sytb2OAcH1_q3x4-vg!2e0 

I've always wondered if this was the case, does anyone know anything about these bridges?  I couldn't get out of my car to investigate, so I could be wrong about it being buried underneath, but if you look in the street view it sure appears that way.  Does anyone know more about this to set the record straight? 
Title: Re: Partially Buried Bridge?
Post by: KEK Inc. on March 02, 2015, 02:45:30 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/OYiZf

That's how they filled Battery St for the Mercer mess in Seattle.  You can see the history by dragging it back to 2011.
Title: Re: Partially Buried Bridge?
Post by: PurdueBill on March 02, 2015, 04:00:21 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 02, 2015, 02:38:44 PM
On the east side of Indianapolis, Sherman Drive used to pass over I-70 on a bridge, and back in around 2007, this was flipped, and I-70 now over passes Sherman Drive.  I drove through there on Sherman a few weeks ago, and it appears that they simply left the old Sherman drive bridge there and put soil up under it. 

Here's the street view: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.797172,-86.102373,3a,75y,30.58h,76.76t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sgl48Sytb2OAcH1_q3x4-vg!2e0 

I've always wondered if this was the case, does anyone know anything about these bridges?  I couldn't get out of my car to investigate, so I could be wrong about it being buried underneath, but if you look in the street view it sure appears that way.  Does anyone know more about this to set the record straight? 

As I recall, the rail bridge just east of there (green girders visible in the street view) was a large part of the impetus--it was a choke point on widening and clearance was an issue.  Sherman's bridge could be replaced to widen 70, but not so easy for the rail line, and even then the clearance wouldn't improve without making 70 lower or raising the rail line.
Title: Re: Partially Buried Bridge?
Post by: Big John on March 02, 2015, 04:16:49 PM
There was one on US 41 SB at Fond du Lac County Highway N just south of the at-grade intersection until 2000 when it was removed to build an interchange there.
Title: Re: Partially Buried Bridge?
Post by: roadman65 on March 02, 2015, 04:36:25 PM
Lake Shasta in Northern California has plenty of them now that the lake level dropped.

In fact I though that was this thread at first as I would never think that a road agency would leave a bridge standing only to bury it with soil. 
Title: Re: Partially Buried Bridge?
Post by: triplemultiplex on March 04, 2015, 10:27:06 PM
This old Route 66 bridge west of Tucumcari, NM, is long abandoned and slowly being buried with sediment by Blanca Creek.
http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=35.11630,-103.86595&z=17&t=S (http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=35.11630,-103.86595&z=17&t=S)

Can't even get there as it's now on private property, but the bridge is easily visible from I-40.
Title: Re: Partially Buried Bridge?
Post by: Pete from Boston on March 04, 2015, 11:57:27 PM
This grade-level street is in fact a partially-buried bridge over the fully filled-in cut of the Medford Branch railroad in Medford, Mass.:

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.41696,-71.099624,3a,75y,217.58h,75.21t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sEia5hVLaDDWKamKs8C8kGw!2e0

The short branch into Medford Square off what's now the MBTA Haverhill Line was cut off when I-93 was built.  Based on the disappearance of the shadow here, the cut under the bridge was filled between 1971 and 1978.  The cracks in the pavement clearly delineate the bridge deck, and if you drive over you can still make out both the slopes up and down, and the concrete outer edge of the deck to either side.
Title: Re: Partially Buried Bridge?
Post by: kkt on March 05, 2015, 10:40:44 AM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on March 04, 2015, 11:57:27 PM
This grade-level street is in fact a partially-buried bridge over the fully filled-in cut of the Medford Branch railroad in Medford, Mass.:

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.41696,-71.099624,3a,75y,217.58h,75.21t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sEia5hVLaDDWKamKs8C8kGw!2e0

The short branch into Medford Square off what's now the MBTA Haverhill Line was cut off when I-93 was built.  Based on the disappearance of the shadow here, the cut under the bridge was filled between 1971 and 1978.  The cracks in the pavement clearly delineate the bridge deck, and if you drive over you can still make out both the slopes up and down, and the concrete outer edge of the deck to either side.

Hey, that's cool.
Title: Re: Partially Buried Bridge?
Post by: Brian556 on March 17, 2015, 07:06:20 PM
Here's three partially-buried RR bridges in TX:

Near Justin, TX:
Look at the RR Track just south of SH 114. You can see the edge of an old one-lane underpass for a local road that was taken out of service when SH 114 was built in the early 30's.
https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.028869,-97.308805&spn=0.001585,0.003098&t=h&z=19 (https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.028869,-97.308805&spn=0.001585,0.003098&t=h&z=19)

Farther north, it's identical twin is still in use:
https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.224185,-97.257242&spn=0.000072,0.049567&t=h&z=15&layer=c&cbll=33.224241,-97.257183&panoid=cfg2kfXyfYruZV-8hn4v5Q&cbp=12,119.22,,2,0 (https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.224185,-97.257242&spn=0.000072,0.049567&t=h&z=15&layer=c&cbll=33.224241,-97.257183&panoid=cfg2kfXyfYruZV-8hn4v5Q&cbp=12,119.22,,2,0)

near Gunter TX:
On Old alignment of SH 289:
https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.500161,-96.716863&spn=0.000018,0.012392&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=33.500233,-96.716829&panoid=yNuVRkBKzagb935Gy2GFMQ&cbp=12,75.28,,2,10 (https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.500161,-96.716863&spn=0.000018,0.012392&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=33.500233,-96.716829&panoid=yNuVRkBKzagb935Gy2GFMQ&cbp=12,75.28,,2,10)
Hard to tell how much of it is still there, when I visited in 2009, is just had dirt pushed up under it, it did not look like it does now.

Hillsboro, TX:
Old US 77. Hart to tell if they took it out or buried it. It was still there with the road under it abandoned about four years ago when I visited it.
https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=32.027413,-97.113622&spn=0.000802,0.001549&t=h&z=20 (https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=32.027413,-97.113622&spn=0.000802,0.001549&t=h&z=20)
Title: Re: Partially Buried Bridge?
Post by: PurdueBill on March 19, 2015, 11:06:53 PM
Found an article I thought I had once seen before (http://www.structurepoint.com/documents/news_documents/Super_70_Concrete_Cars_Mountain_reduced2.pdf) related to the underpass that became an overpass for I-70 and the bridges left behind.
Title: Re: Partially Buried Bridge?
Post by: Bruce on April 15, 2015, 02:41:51 PM
Quote from: KEK Inc. on March 02, 2015, 02:45:30 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/OYiZf

That's how they filled Battery St for the Mercer mess in Seattle.  You can see the history by dragging it back to 2011.

*Broad Street. Battery Street is getting filled after the viaduct comes down sometime in the next century.