The latest batch of traffic signals in downtown Oklahoma City is mounted horizontally. The area in question is the main central business district, not the Bricktown entertainment district to the immediate east. However, this seems to be limited to just this area; signals outside the core are still being posted vertically. There are even intersections downtown with new horizontal signals and old vertical signals for different legs of the same intersection.
Are there any other cities mixing and matching like this? Why would a city transition from vertical to horizontal, and why for only part of the city? (In before "Oklahoma".)
Chicago has them, but the horizontal signals are usually mounted around overpasses.
Some examples:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.844835,-87.685397,3a,75y,317.52h,82.21t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1scrCB2NFW7NF_KDEhqtJMMg!2e0
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.816734,-87.743425,3a,75y,150.91h,87.79t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sDZyYUISFTmFCF645ZUMqqQ!2e0
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7515,-87.585685,3a,35.8y,349.34h,89.08t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sy_aiXJ5myoydaobEksVKmA!2e0
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.932098,-87.694325,3a,75y,311.79h,92.31t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sT9RX0UoQoR0UtQ0bkF1NPw!2e0
How about on the same mastarm?
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.924923,-87.68181,3a,15y,292.04h,91.42t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sXruasKGok5GS3eaXcMTz3A!2e0
Aesthetic treatment? That would be my only guess as to why only a certain part of a city, unless it's the first area as part of a systematic improvement. What kind of arms are these being mounted to, mast arms or monotubes? Mast arms scream horizontal mount, as they don't require additional hardware, at least with a signal mounted to the far end of the mast arm (old Wisconsin typical). That said, there is an intersection about a mile from my home which has vertically-mounted signals on a mast arm. The orientation in Wisconsin generally comes with the arm type (monotubes = vertical, mast arms = horizontal). The exception is that WisDOT explicitly states that a maximum of two signals can be vertically-mounted on a mast arm.
There are several intersections with a mix of mounting styles in the greater Madison area. Most recently, a good stretch of Johnson St was reconstructed just north of downtown Madison. Many of the intersections use the traditional Wisconsin horizontal mounted mast arm, but at least two of them use the new monotubes with vertically mounted signals. There's one intersection in Sun Prairie which has both the same intersection. Again, this looks like a cost-saving measure. When the lanes/movements don't require multiple heads, they go with the horizontal mast-arm mount. I've seen this commonly for FYA installations (as is the case in Sun Prairie: see https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5016.msg178214#msg178214 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5016.msg178214#msg178214)).
Huntsville has horizontal signals located around the city, although most of them are vertical. Some of the horizontal ones in Huntsville are mounted to provide better visibility from under overpasses or over hills and others are installed to provide better height clearance, but there are some in downtown that appear to be installed horizontally for looks as far as I know.
Not sure if this counts, but in New Mexico the through signals are generally mounted horizontally, but left turn signals are frequently on a pedestal on the median and are mounted vertically.
This mixture of vertical & horizontal signalheads (http://goo.gl/maps/BloRY) at this intersection in Upper Darby Twp., PA (Westbrook Park section) is still around.
The horizontal signalheads are older; the vertical signalheads replaced similar-vintaged horizontal signalheads when the signals were upgraded to include left-arrow cycles.
These signals are mounted on monotubes, and have curved back plates that wrap around toward the tube. I wonder if it's due to wind in the dense downtown core. I don't have access to GSV right now, but you can see them on most intersections in downtown OKC. I've seen new installations outside the core, and they use the standard vertical yellow signals with black backplate that OKC has used for 20 years.
There are a few intersections in Lawton, OK, that have vertical straight thru signals and horizontal left turn signals. That's an interesting idea.
Yukon (suburb of Oklahoma City) is mounting new signals horizontally, and the ODOT plans for a new signal installation at S.H. 20 & 140th East Ave. in Owasso show the signal heads to be horizontal. New ODOT standard?
US 62/I-190 Niagara Falls, NY - Horizontally mounted as a result of close proximity to overpass
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.089686,-78.990698,3a,75y,262.95h,84.79t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1srBMksLNe8vuCDnvS59DecQ!2e0
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.089531,-78.989798,3a,75y,359.04h,88.38t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1srXwBuzmHA89x6KkViqkdJQ!2e0
Horizontally-stacked signalheads are generally a rare sight in Massachusetts.
However, the latest drawbridge signals for the General Edwards Bridge at the Lynn/Revere line appear to be an exception. Previous-generation (prior to the late-80s) signals for this bridge were conventional post-mounted vertically-stacked signalheads.
MA 1A Northbound General Edwards Bridge Approach (http://goo.gl/maps/eC5Ll)
MA 1A Southbound General Edwards Bridge Approach (http://goo.gl/maps/c1e6H)
All other signals in both Lynn & Revere are conventional vertically-stacked signalheads.
Cincinnati has horizontal signals downtown, but vertical signals elsewhere throughout the city.
Here's one from Wisconsin with horizontal on one side of the light and then a vertical mounted behind it.
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=43.194836,-88.72878&spn=0.001678,0.004128&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=43.194852,-88.728908&panoid=fGVbYNZ52D_rflDSGOZjKw&cbp=12,97.93,,0,-1.35
Quote from: jwags on March 31, 2015, 05:58:15 PM
Here's one from Wisconsin with horizontal on one side of the light and then a vertical mounted behind it.
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=43.194836,-88.72878&spn=0.001678,0.004128&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=43.194852,-88.728908&panoid=fGVbYNZ52D_rflDSGOZjKw&cbp=12,97.93,,0,-1.35
That Watertown, WI intersection has a lot of signalization "abnormalities"...one of 'em being indications placed in the wrong positions (look at where the green ball is on the vertical signal on the far left of that street view capture). :pan:
Cayuga Dr/NY 33 west - Cheektowaga, NY
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.92979,-78.743953,3a,75y,20.25h,73.45t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1skaThAXvOqoErjTbXbjv6Aw!2e0
What about horizontal and vertical traffic signals at the same interesection?! :wow:
http://goo.gl/maps/B6CBm
Quote from: jwags on March 31, 2015, 05:58:15 PM
Here's one from Wisconsin with horizontal on one side of the light and then a vertical mounted behind it.
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=43.194836,-88.72878&spn=0.001678,0.004128&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=43.194852,-88.728908&panoid=fGVbYNZ52D_rflDSGOZjKw&cbp=12,97.93,,0,-1.35
Further down the street: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.194293,-88.724108,3a,75y,257.75h,92.14t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1souO9N6hchab0ngaQCF7hQA!2e0?hl=en
Quote from: DaBigE on March 31, 2015, 06:13:55 PM
Quote from: jwags on March 31, 2015, 05:58:15 PM
Here's one from Wisconsin with horizontal on one side of the light and then a vertical mounted behind it.
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=43.194836,-88.72878&spn=0.001678,0.004128&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=43.194852,-88.728908&panoid=fGVbYNZ52D_rflDSGOZjKw&cbp=12,97.93,,0,-1.35
That Watertown, WI intersection has a lot of signalization "abnormalities"...one of 'em being indications placed in the wrong positions (look at where the green ball is on the vertical signal on the far left of that street view capture). :pan:
I've driven through that intersection hundreds of times and I've never noticed that. Good catch.
Another fine Wisconsin example: Wis 60 @ Wis 83 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.317708,-88.378837,3a,75y,332.75h,86.14t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1soEP3pmlbDBrDOdxNJeAPdQ!2e0)
Quote from: DaBigE on March 31, 2015, 09:08:44 PM
Another fine Wisconsin example: Wis 60 @ Wis 83 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.317708,-88.378837,3a,75y,332.75h,86.14t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1soEP3pmlbDBrDOdxNJeAPdQ!2e0)
Off topic but 2 quadrants have 1-section pedestrian signals and the other 2 have 2-section pedestrian signals. On the 2-section signals, both are displaying the orange don't walk hand (and I checked all 4 of them doing the same thing): https://www.google.com/maps/@43.317772,-88.378887,3a,75y,73.01h,78.87t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1stAZsWTfBKhURz5L4j-AWgw!2e0
How about the same intersection.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.701449,-74.271983,3a,75y,290.56h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1su22WFSCGa916Vb928I_7Bg!2e0
Quote from: Big John on March 31, 2015, 09:15:15 PM
Quote from: DaBigE on March 31, 2015, 09:08:44 PM
Another fine Wisconsin example: Wis 60 @ Wis 83 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.317708,-88.378837,3a,75y,332.75h,86.14t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1soEP3pmlbDBrDOdxNJeAPdQ!2e0)
Off topic but 2 quadrants have 1-section pedestrian signals and the other 2 have 2-section pedestrian signals. On the 2-section signals, both are displaying the orange don't walk hand (and I checked all 4 of them doing the same thing): https://www.google.com/maps/@43.317772,-88.378887,3a,75y,73.01h,78.87t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1stAZsWTfBKhURz5L4j-AWgw!2e0
Yeah, Hartford's been doing that since LED pedestrian signals were first installed in the early 2000s. There's a couple more ped signals like that along Wis 60: another example (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.317316,-88.365234,3a,75y,126.44h,77.78t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sznQ1KxycSArxPU1uzIVqog!2e0). The top section is the hand only, the bottom is bimodal walk and hand.
Quote from: SignGeek101 on March 31, 2015, 07:32:58 PM
What about horizontal and vertical traffic signals at the same interesection?! :wow:
http://goo.gl/maps/B6CBm
In addition to your example, see my earlier-posted Upper Darby, PA intersection (Reply #5) example for mixed horizontal & vertical signalheads.
It all depends on what parts are available when a specific signal head wears out, or if the whole entire assembly gets old, fails inspection etc. It sometimes is easier to do it that way then wait around for the right part to be added.
Plus do some of the people in the road departments really care about aesthetics anyway? Heck here in Florida we have some intersections that replace a worn out mast arm assembly or one that gets hit by a vehicle with a span wire. The intersection of John Young Parkway and the First Baptist Church entrance in Orlando had the pole for NB JYP get removed and instead of using another mast arm assembly to replace it with they drove two telephone poles into the ground on both sides of JYP and strung a wire across and hung the three signal heads on it.
Quote from: PHLBOS on April 01, 2015, 09:17:20 AM
Quote from: SignGeek101 on March 31, 2015, 07:32:58 PM
What about horizontal and vertical traffic signals at the same interesection?! :wow:
http://goo.gl/maps/B6CBm
In addition to your example, see my earlier-posted Upper Darby, PA intersection (Reply #5) example for mixed horizontal & vertical signalheads.
That's SOP for CDOT in Chicago with an overpass. See my examples in Reply #1.
Here's a couple of intersections around Huntsville with both horizontal and vertical traffic lights:
http://www.instantstreetview.com/@34.718504,-86.573605,6.29h,4.56p,1z
http://www.instantstreetview.com/@34.66593,-86.572357,150.43h,-1.77p,1z
http://www.instantstreetview.com/@34.732533,-86.586116,-50.05h,0.17p,1z
http://www.instantstreetview.com/@34.725933,-86.595833,-12.78h,0.52p,1z
This is the intersection I don't get: https://goo.gl/maps/Wkl8d
US 40 in Pilesgrove, NJ. Except in very few, specific circumstances (bridge overpasses, for example), NJDOT uses vertical light assemblies. Only on the side streets here did NJ use horizontal assemblies. Why? Who knows. Clearly there's nothing in the area regarding sight concerns. And before someone tries saying the power lines are in the area, that's a common issue with most NJ intersections, and none of them use horizontal assemblies.
https://goo.gl/maps/CQLpG
As seen further away... https://goo.gl/maps/EXKBO
This can easily be seen as you travel the NJ Turnpike NB: https://goo.gl/maps/LGbmA
Quote from: roadman65 on April 01, 2015, 09:27:00 AM
It all depends on what parts are available when a specific signal head wears out, or if the whole entire assembly gets old, fails inspection etc. It sometimes is easier to do it that way then wait around for the right part to be added.
Plus do some of the people in the road departments really care about aesthetics anyway? Heck here in Florida we have some intersections that replace a worn out mast arm assembly or one that gets hit by a vehicle with a span wire. The intersection of John Young Parkway and the First Baptist Church entrance in Orlando had the pole for NB JYP get removed and instead of using another mast arm assembly to replace it with they drove two telephone poles into the ground on both sides of JYP and strung a wire across and hung the three signal heads on it.
Usually they aren't that bad. I wonder if they just forgot about that one? Heights are all weird on that as well. Obviously a very quick job.
Quote from: jwags on March 31, 2015, 05:58:15 PM
Here's one from Wisconsin with horizontal on one side of the light and then a vertical mounted behind it.
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=43.194836,-88.72878&spn=0.001678,0.004128&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=43.194852,-88.728908&panoid=fGVbYNZ52D_rflDSGOZjKw&cbp=12,97.93,,0,-1.35
Moncton, NB used to have the left horizontal signal set up that way years ago (back when they used incandescent bulbs) so they didn't need to use a fiber optic bimodal arrow for protected lefts, using a yellow arrow, then a green one to the right of it. They would almost always set the right one up with a bimodal in the middle. Both signals would be 5-piece.
Left signal RY<<G
Right signal RY<GR
Those setup disappeared sometime in the mid 2000's when the city put in bimodal fiber optic or LED arrows pretty much everywhere a green+yellow arrow were needed.
Quote from: UCFKnights on April 01, 2015, 03:09:05 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 01, 2015, 09:27:00 AM
It all depends on what parts are available when a specific signal head wears out, or if the whole entire assembly gets old, fails inspection etc. It sometimes is easier to do it that way then wait around for the right part to be added.
Plus do some of the people in the road departments really care about aesthetics anyway? Heck here in Florida we have some intersections that replace a worn out mast arm assembly or one that gets hit by a vehicle with a span wire. The intersection of John Young Parkway and the First Baptist Church entrance in Orlando had the pole for NB JYP get removed and instead of using another mast arm assembly to replace it with they drove two telephone poles into the ground on both sides of JYP and strung a wire across and hung the three signal heads on it.
Usually they aren't that bad. I wonder if they just forgot about that one? Heights are all weird on that as well. Obviously a very quick job.
That appears to be a temporary fix. It won't hold up in a hurricane. I'm sure there are some lengthy engineering studies they have to do to put up new mast arm. It's the government, after all.
Quote from: RG407 on April 19, 2015, 09:21:08 PM
Quote from: UCFKnights on April 01, 2015, 03:09:05 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 01, 2015, 09:27:00 AM
It all depends on what parts are available when a specific signal head wears out, or if the whole entire assembly gets old, fails inspection etc. It sometimes is easier to do it that way then wait around for the right part to be added.
Plus do some of the people in the road departments really care about aesthetics anyway? Heck here in Florida we have some intersections that replace a worn out mast arm assembly or one that gets hit by a vehicle with a span wire. The intersection of John Young Parkway and the First Baptist Church entrance in Orlando had the pole for NB JYP get removed and instead of using another mast arm assembly to replace it with they drove two telephone poles into the ground on both sides of JYP and strung a wire across and hung the three signal heads on it.
Usually they aren't that bad. I wonder if they just forgot about that one? Heights are all weird on that as well. Obviously a very quick job.
That appears to be a temporary fix. It won't hold up in a hurricane. I'm sure there are some lengthy engineering studies they have to do to put up new mast arm. It's the government, after all.
Thats what I thought at first, but looking at street view history, it looks like it was hit sometime between May 2009 and March 2011. Thats a minimum of 4 years that shoddy temporary fix has been there lol
I know they don't typically install that type of mast arm anymore, so perhaps thats why they're leaving the temporary fix? It seems unlikely they'll do anything that matches the other 3 corners on that. But then again, Orlando has no problem leaving mixed and matched mast arms as well. Every time I get off 408 at Alafaya, it bothers me that they have 3 different generations of poles there:
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.549153,-81.204188,3a,75y,83.94h,94.68t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sHebVGYGKOyM6f3Hns9Nocw!2e0
At least they're painted the same color now. Used to be one silver/unpainted, one brown, and one black:
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.549155,-81.204081,3a,75y,116.83h,89.99t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sl1s3vKlLPPUdq3UA7HAH6Q!2e0!5s20110401T000000
Quote from: UCFKnights on April 26, 2015, 12:52:20 AM
Thats what I thought at first, but looking at street view history, it looks like it was hit sometime between May 2009 and March 2011. Thats a minimum of 4 years that shoddy temporary fix has been there lol
I know they don't typically install that type of mast arm anymore, so perhaps thats why they're leaving the temporary fix? It seems unlikely they'll do anything that matches the other 3 corners on that. But then again, Orlando has no problem leaving mixed and matched mast arms as well. Every time I get off 408 at Alafaya, it bothers me that they have 3 different generations of poles there:
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.549153,-81.204188,3a,75y,83.94h,94.68t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sHebVGYGKOyM6f3Hns9Nocw!2e0 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.549153,-81.204188,3a,75y,83.94h,94.68t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sHebVGYGKOyM6f3Hns9Nocw!2e0)
At least they're painted the same color now. Used to be one silver/unpainted, one brown, and one black:
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.549155,-81.204081,3a,75y,116.83h,89.99t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sl1s3vKlLPPUdq3UA7HAH6Q!2e0!5s20110401T000000 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.549155,-81.204081,3a,75y,116.83h,89.99t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sl1s3vKlLPPUdq3UA7HAH6Q!2e0!5s20110401T000000)
That is an ugly, ugly, ugly situation at 408 and Alafaya.
There's a similar situation on Rinehart Road in Lake Mary. The southbound mast arm must have been damaged because there were two wooden pools supporting a wire assembly for several months. They recently put up a new mast arm, but it doesn't match the others at all.
(Go Knights! Charge on!)
Newport News and Hampton both are majority vertical signals, but have a a few horizontal installations.
VA 169 at VA 143 in the Phoebus area of Hampton:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-5-HkBNOeIgA%2FUtGBg0DwS8I%2FAAAAAAAAG1I%2FdBaIvAZIkvU%2Fs800%2FIMG_1824.JPG&hash=5a69a548ddf65bcdcfa3a8e88e3f8fc8341b5b7d)
Westbound VA 143 in southern Newport News:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-4LlkySkmAFU%2FUtGB9_CLWDI%2FAAAAAAAAG4Q%2FbF-I5kr8zUI%2Fs800%2FIMG_1848.JPG&hash=5640e1f6d64f7230a5c6a26ef54ff7203eb118e0)
Newark, New Jersey has them now as the city is now converting to vertical heads. For decades Newark was always using horizontal heads even on NJ 21 in which is state maintained. NJDOT usually only uses horizontal heads where bridges are near an intersection or at drawbridges.
However, Newark now is going vertical slowly and you are definitely seeing them pop up more and more around the city.
Newark was the first place I thought of. I thought Hackensack had both, too, but I can't find examples. Trenton does, or at least did.
I feel like these were once more common in New Jersey cities than in most places.
Is there anyplace with only horizontal?
Several towns in Texas only have horizontal.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on April 29, 2015, 10:51:43 AM
Newark was the first place I thought of. I thought Hackensack had both, too, but I can't find examples. Trenton does, or at least did.
I feel like these were once more common in New Jersey cities than in most places.
Is there anyplace with only horizontal?
Wisconsin used to, but I heard all new installations now are standard vertical.
Nebraska and New Mexico uses them exclusively statewide.
Yes, it was municipal areas that once used the horizontal mounts. I think maybe the State of New Jersey might of forced all their towns to go vertical as I believe that they might of objected to Burlington County using span wire years ago which now uses mast arms. However, Ocean County still uses span wire on some of their county maintained signals to this day, so I do not know for sure on this one.
Quote from: roadman65 on April 29, 2015, 03:32:47 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on April 29, 2015, 10:51:43 AM
Newark was the first place I thought of. I thought Hackensack had both, too, but I can't find examples. Trenton does, or at least did.
I feel like these were once more common in New Jersey cities than in most places.
Is there anyplace with only horizontal?
Wisconsin used to, but I heard all new installations now are standard vertical.
Wisconsin still does the horizontal if it is a one-lane road. But they have always used pole-mounted vertical signals alongside those.
Quote from: Big John on April 29, 2015, 03:39:32 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 29, 2015, 03:32:47 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on April 29, 2015, 10:51:43 AM
Newark was the first place I thought of. I thought Hackensack had both, too, but I can't find examples. Trenton does, or at least did.
I feel like these were once more common in New Jersey cities than in most places.
Is there anyplace with only horizontal?
Wisconsin used to, but I heard all new installations now are standard vertical.
Wisconsin still does the horizontal if it is a one-lane road. ...
That's more of a WisDOT practice. Many municipalities are still holding onto the a single horizontal design for multiple lanes (as well as the 5-section protected/permissive signal installations). Waunakee (the reconstructed downtown/Wis 19) and West Bend come to mind.
Seattle has some horizontal signals along Broadway from an ancient revitalization project. Many of the intersections have vertical signals for the signals facing the cross-street.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fp876TwT.png&hash=1633fb1a93f2c28a6a9d05dfdf07bd70e91ee2a9)
I finally found the answer to my OKC question. Turns out the horizontal signals are part of a CBD streetscape design project called Project 180. It's a grand plan drawn up by some architect and was funded partially by Devon Energy CEO Larry Nichols. I wish they would have left the stoplights alone, though.
Here's an interesting case: Exchange Street at Main Street in Buffalo (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8792,-78.876271,3a,75y,295h,80.3t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1seaBlGRJYiGnfYQ_Zp1BNkw!2e0). NB and WB get vertical overheads, SB and EB have horizontal. Overhead is I-190, building on the north side that Main Street runs over is One Seneca Place (formerly the HSBC Building). Light rail runs down the middle of Main Street and the NB approach is only light rail. North of here is one of the 2 blocks south of Chippewa Street that allows cars. The SB approach only has horizontal signals.
If you're ever travelling through the Rochester area, there are many intersections with both horizontal and vertical signals. Mostly along the expressways, but some on city streets as well. A few of them even have both types on the same signal head assembly. One location was just lost this spring, but there are still many around town.
Quote from: CANALLER on May 27, 2015, 10:00:21 PM
If you're ever travelling through the Rochester area, there are many intersections with both horizontal and vertical signals. Mostly along the expressways, but some on city streets as well. A few of them even have both types on the same signal head assembly. One location was just lost this spring, but there are still many around town.
Like this one in Chili. Intersection has both vertical and horizontal lights. Of course this one is just past an I 490 underpass.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.12123,-77.74563,3a,30y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1smb60AAQgqpdNTvjm_xoIRA!2e0?hl=en
Schofield, WI made use of dual verticals on SB Grand Ave vs single horizontal - both on trombones.
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.925594,-89.613502,3a,75y,135.88h,81.28t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1suRx-xyV0mwVOq_XXHj-epA!2e0
Quote from: busman_49 on March 31, 2015, 02:58:05 PM
Cincinnati has horizontal signals downtown, but vertical signals elsewhere throughout the city.
And some of the horizontal ones are going the way of the dinosaur, because of the streetcar. I'll get photos sometime in the next day or two.