Hawthorn Woods mayor ready to go 'Tiananmen Square' over Route 53 plan (http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-zurich/news/ct-lzc-route53-tl-0514-20150511-story.html)
QuoteHawthorn Woods Mayor Joe Mancino is adamantly against the extension of Route 53 – invoking "Tiananmen Square" to explain his opposition to the road entering his village.
"That's going to be me, standing in front of the bulldozers," Mancino said. "They're going to pull my dead political body out from under them."
Yet it remains unclear whether the tollway will ever find the money to build its road and the bridge over Hawthorn Woods that Mancino detests.
What an asshole.
What about an upgrade of us 12? Toll it if needed.
The Chinese just shot them in in Tianamen and paid no earthly price that I can see so .......run him over. Dumb analogy
Speaking of China...this is how roads are built in China around the objections of local citizens.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2241365/House-built-middle-motorway-China-finally-demolished.html
I am no fan of China. I would like to see some of those CEOS that gush over them actually live there.. I am glad those people actually got some compensation Did you notice the air in all those pics?
Back to Route 53 ...He can rant all he wants with the real environmental issues dealt with its a matter of money. When the Tollway makes or thinks it is viable it will be built
Paging the ghost of Anthony Spilotro
That mayor can go to hell!
Just build the route far enough from his town so no one will exit to spend money there
Quote from: texaskdog on May 12, 2015, 01:07:52 PM
Just build the route far enough from his town so no one will exit to spend money there
Not really possible. The corridor goes right along the eastern edge of Hawthorn Woods.
http://maps.lakecountyil.gov/output/TownshipMaps/celacity.pdf
Is he going to ride in a tank and run over highway contractors?
The mayor's concerns about the proper alignment of the highway by the Indian Creek area may be valid, but in the end Hawthorn Woods just wants the entire project killed. Hawthorn Woods has been fighting a NIMBY battle against the 53 extension for decades. No matter how the road is aligned, it will still go through HW and I doubt any alignment of the road will ever satisfy them. They don't care if the rest of central Lake County is choked with traffic.
Quote from: texaskdog on May 12, 2015, 01:07:52 PM
Just build the route far enough from his town so no one will exit to spend money there
That town has almost no commercial businesses. It's made up just about entirely of expensive acre lot homes. They probably would be glad to have no outsider ever drive through their town.
Quote from: Quimby on May 13, 2015, 11:21:07 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 12, 2015, 01:07:52 PM
Just build the route far enough from his town so no one will exit to spend money there
That town has almost no commercial businesses. It's made up just about entirely of expensive acre lot homes. They probably would be glad to have no outsider ever drive through their town.
Exactly. Hawthorn Woods is the very definition of sprawl. It's the poster child for why we have congestion in Lake County in the first place.
No one would miss him if the bulldozers did splat him
Really? This is absolutely outrageous. This project needs to be built and should have been built 40 years ago. I thought this latest round of planning was supposed to be "more-inclusive" and working closely with environmentalists to find a solution, which is why we have this watered-down 4-lane 45 mph parkway. What more do you want Mr. Mayor?????????????? :banghead:
And I am going to say this again. This needs to be six lanes and built to Interstate standards, otherwise it won't satisfy the problem.
Um, Mr. Macino. How much damage do you think that bulldozer would suffer if it rolled right over you?
None at all.
The definition of a NIMBY.
Quote from: jakeroot on May 13, 2015, 07:28:20 PM
The definition of a NIMBY.
Also a prime example of what's wrong with a system where people making objections to necessary and logical civic improvements, especially when those objections are based on totally personal reasons, are not required to provide any proof whatsoever to back up their claims.
Quote from: roadman on May 13, 2015, 07:35:19 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on May 13, 2015, 07:28:20 PM
The definition of a NIMBY.
Also a prime example of what's wrong with a system where people making objections to necessary and logical civic improvements, especially when those objections are based on totally personal reasons, are not required to provide any proof whatsoever to back up their claims.
If that's the case, I'm not sure why we're so worried. This is why expropriation exists (to buy property from those who are opposed to leaving for inexplicable reasons).
Quote from: jakeroot on May 13, 2015, 08:21:56 PM
Quote from: roadman on May 13, 2015, 07:35:19 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on May 13, 2015, 07:28:20 PM
The definition of a NIMBY.
Also a prime example of what's wrong with a system where people making objections to necessary and logical civic improvements, especially when those objections are based on totally personal reasons, are not required to provide any proof whatsoever to back up their claims.
If that's the case, I'm not sure why we're so worried. This is why expropriation exists (to buy property from those who are opposed to leaving for inexplicable reasons).
The state already owns the right of way for the IL-53 extension, and has for decades.
Quote from: Brandon on May 14, 2015, 06:17:45 AM
The state already owns the right of way for the IL-53 extension, and has for decades.
How did the subdivision (in/near Mundelein) south of Hawley Street (County 70) get built within the future 53 right-of-way ( Brighton Drive, Blackburn Drive etc.)? It's mostly just streets, but a couple houses may encroach into it.
I wonder how access to the western part of the subdivision to the west of the 53 ROW will be accessed once the "parkway" is developed? Maybe access will be built within the two vacant lots on the northern side of Brighton Drive to Hawley Street?
Quote from: Brandon on May 14, 2015, 06:17:45 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on May 13, 2015, 08:21:56 PM
Quote from: roadman on May 13, 2015, 07:35:19 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on May 13, 2015, 07:28:20 PM
The definition of a NIMBY.
Also a prime example of what's wrong with a system where people making objections to necessary and logical civic improvements, especially when those objections are based on totally personal reasons, are not required to provide any proof whatsoever to back up their claims.
If that's the case, I'm not sure why we're so worried. This is why expropriation exists (to buy property from those who are opposed to leaving for inexplicable reasons).
The state already owns the right of way for the IL-53 extension, and has for decades.
Then what's the concern? If the state owns the property, I do believe they are allowed to do with it whatever they please (unless Hawthorne Woods passed some measure prohibiting four lane roads within city limits).
Quote from: texaskdog on May 12, 2015, 01:07:52 PM
Just build the route far enough from his town so no one will exit to spend money there
or build right through it and not put any exits in hawthorn woods.
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 14, 2015, 01:15:41 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 12, 2015, 01:07:52 PM
Just build the route far enough from his town so no one will exit to spend money there
or build right through it and not put any exits in hawthorn woods.
Hawthorn Woods isn't all that big if you look at the Lake County map: http://maps.lakecountyil.gov/output/TownshipMaps/celacity.pdf
Quote from: midwesternroadguy on May 14, 2015, 12:45:12 PMHow did the subdivision (in/near Mundelein) south of Hawley Street (County 70) get built within the future 53 right-of-way ( Brighton Drive, Blackburn Drive etc.)? It's mostly just streets, but a couple houses may encroach into it.
I wonder how access to the western part of the subdivision to the west of the 53 ROW will be accessed once the "parkway" is developed? Maybe access will be built within the two vacant lots on the northern side of Brighton Drive to Hawley Street?
It was the doings of an arrogant developer in the late 1970s to mid 1980s. IDOT already had the ROW officially mapped, but the developer went ahead with the subdivision anyways. IDOT was then able to issue a 'stop work' order for the lots within the mapped ROW in time before any houses could be built on them.
As for those otherwise isolated lots, there is ROW preserved to allow an access street to serve them.
Mike
Being one who often drives up in the area nearby to go to work, the traffic around Lake Cook Road and North into Lake County is absolutely unacceptable. What's even more annoying is that this same mayor would be one to throw a fit if there were any proposals to widen EXISTING roads (which needs to happen IN ADDITION to the 53 extension either way). It's these types of NIMBYs that have allowed existing 53 through Long Grove to be the hot two lane mess it is now (seriously, that road is just downright stressful). Those towns should be embarrassed by the way they prevented IDOT from building the proper infrastructure when they could have. I mean, it honestly could not have helped the economy there (actually, Long Grove especially has taken quite a hit, but you order your bed, you sleep in it). The development is coming, no stopping it, and if you want to have a country life, I'd suggest moving out to far Northwest McHenry County. I live in Arlington Heights, and I will tell you the adequacy of the highway system south of Lake Cook is a night and day difference, so much more sufficient here (not that we don't have our traffic issues here as well, but still).
Quote from: ChiMilNet on May 18, 2015, 10:56:31 PM
Being one who often drives up in the area nearby to go to work, the traffic around Lake Cook Road and North into Lake County is absolutely unacceptable. What's even more annoying is that this same mayor would be one to throw a fit if there were any proposals to widen EXISTING roads (which needs to happen IN ADDITION to the 53 extension either way). It's these types of NIMBYs that have allowed existing 53 through Long Grove to be the hot two lane mess it is now (seriously, that road is just downright stressful). Those towns should be embarrassed by the way they prevented IDOT from building the proper infrastructure when they could have. I mean, it honestly could not have helped the economy there (actually, Long Grove especially has taken quite a hit, but you order your bed, you sleep in it). The development is coming, no stopping it, and if you want to have a country life, I'd suggest moving out to far Northwest McHenry County. I live in Arlington Heights, and I will tell you the adequacy of the highway system south of Lake Cook is a night and day difference, so much more sufficient here (not that we don't have our traffic issues here as well, but still).
People who want to "preserve the rural nature" of suburbs need to wake up and realize you cant stop progress, if you want "rural nature" move to Wyoming and get out of the way.
Quote from: ChiMilNet on May 18, 2015, 10:56:31 PM
Being one who often drives up in the area nearby to go to work, the traffic around Lake Cook Road and North into Lake County is absolutely unacceptable. What's even more annoying is that this same mayor would be one to throw a fit if there were any proposals to widen EXISTING roads (which needs to happen IN ADDITION to the 53 extension either way). It's these types of NIMBYs that have allowed existing 53 through Long Grove to be the hot two lane mess it is now (seriously, that road is just downright stressful). Those towns should be embarrassed by the way they prevented IDOT from building the proper infrastructure when they could have. I mean, it honestly could not have helped the economy there (actually, Long Grove especially has taken quite a hit, but you order your bed, you sleep in it). The development is coming, no stopping it, and if you want to have a country life, I'd suggest moving out to far Northwest McHenry County. I live in Arlington Heights, and I will tell you the adequacy of the highway system south of Lake Cook is a night and day difference, so much more sufficient here (not that we don't have our traffic issues here as well, but still).
The problem is, even if this is built, it still won't solve the traffic problem, as it's going to be built as a four lane 45 mph tolled parkway. That is not acceptable. This HAS to be built as a conventional six lane interstate expressway/tollway, nothing less.
If I were the tollway or Governor Rauner, I would reject this and order the planning commission to plan a regular six lane tollway. If they don't like it, too bad.
45 will not stick any way even with a parkway build. Maybe 2 lanes with bus / part time shoulder running can work with out the full 6 lane build out.
Right now US 12 has 50-55 parts and people do more then that. US12 can use some upgrades maybe even full Jersey freeway.
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on May 19, 2015, 12:14:47 PM
45 will not stick any way even with a parkway build. Maybe 2 lanes with bus / part time shoulder running can work with out the full 6 lane build out.
Right now US 12 has 50-55 parts and people do more then that. US12 can use some upgrades maybe even full Jersey freeway.
Why can't it just be built with six lanes with wider inside shoulders for buses, like the Jane Addams Tollway west of Randall Road? That would solve the problem.
Quote from: I-39 on May 19, 2015, 01:28:16 PM
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on May 19, 2015, 12:14:47 PM
45 will not stick any way even with a parkway build. Maybe 2 lanes with bus / part time shoulder running can work with out the full 6 lane build out.
Right now US 12 has 50-55 parts and people do more then that. US12 can use some upgrades maybe even full Jersey freeway.
Why can't it just be built with six lanes with wider inside shoulders for buses, like the Jane Addams Tollway west of Randall Road? That would solve the problem.
Cost and land take? Maybe just 6 lanes with full shoulder can work.
I'd hope someone dumb enough to make such a classless analogy already has a dead political career.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on May 19, 2015, 09:07:01 PM
I'd hope someone dumb enough to make such a classless analogy already has a dead political career.
Are you kidding? I see a future mayor of Chicago!
Quote from: Brandon on May 11, 2015, 06:54:42 PM
Hawthorn Woods mayor ready to go 'Tiananmen Square' over Route 53 plan (http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-zurich/news/ct-lzc-route53-tl-0514-20150511-story.html)
QuoteHawthorn Woods Mayor Joe Mancino is adamantly against the extension of Route 53 – invoking "Tiananmen Square" to explain his opposition to the road entering his village.
"That's going to be me, standing in front of the bulldozers," Mancino said. "They're going to pull my dead political body out from under them."
Yet it remains unclear whether the tollway will ever find the money to build its road and the bridge over Hawthorn Woods that Mancino detests.
What an asshole.
Ok Mayor. Suit yourself. Boys, let's get to work! Oh and Mayor, you just lost an exit access to your pathetic town. EVIL :rofl:
Run his ass over, deny Long Grove and Hawthorn Woods the opportunity of collecting revenue from speeding over 45 ( I doubt the state police would enforce the speed limit because I haven't seen a single state police car on 53 and 355 since Rauner came to office), and add speed photo enforcement cameras in Long Grove and Hawthorn Woods and use the funds from speeding tickets to go to building the Rt 22 interchange. Start out with no Rt 22 interchange to punish Hawthorn Wood's mayor and punish Long Grove for insisting that a stop light or round about be put at Rt 22 and Rt 53. build the interchange once Hawthorn Woods and Long Grove give in and want an interchange and use the speeding revenue saved to go towards the interchange.
$95 toll :-D
I would agree with no Route 22 interchange if the mayor of Lake Zurich was just as dumb.
Simple solution: Just bypass it! Go around the side of town! Apparently these guys don't get roads and opposition.
Quote from: noelbotevera on May 24, 2015, 02:54:40 PM
Simple solution: Just bypass it! Go around the side of town! Apparently these guys don't get roads and opposition.
Problem is the ROW that the state owns is just about the only place where the highway can go. The "otherside" would be on top of US 12 which already is a 4 lane highway with 45-55 mph zones in the area.
Quote from: dietermoreno on May 24, 2015, 12:44:25 AM
Run his ass over, deny Long Grove and Hawthorn Woods the opportunity of collecting revenue from speeding over 45 ( I doubt the state police would enforce the speed limit because I haven't seen a single state police car on 53 and 355 since Rauner came to office), and add speed photo enforcement cameras in Long Grove and Hawthorn Woods and use the funds from speeding tickets to go to building the Rt 22 interchange. Start out with no Rt 22 interchange to punish Hawthorn Wood's mayor and punish Long Grove for insisting that a stop light or round about be put at Rt 22 and Rt 53. build the interchange once Hawthorn Woods and Long Grove give in and want an interchange and use the speeding revenue saved to go towards the interchange.
Traditionally, this is the way that Chicago would solve problems. Just fuck with people 'till they give in.
Quote from: jakeroot on May 24, 2015, 06:48:02 PM
Quote from: dietermoreno on May 24, 2015, 12:44:25 AM
Run his ass over, deny Long Grove and Hawthorn Woods the opportunity of collecting revenue from speeding over 45 ( I doubt the state police would enforce the speed limit because I haven't seen a single state police car on 53 and 355 since Rauner came to office), and add speed photo enforcement cameras in Long Grove and Hawthorn Woods and use the funds from speeding tickets to go to building the Rt 22 interchange. Start out with no Rt 22 interchange to punish Hawthorn Wood's mayor and punish Long Grove for insisting that a stop light or round about be put at Rt 22 and Rt 53. build the interchange once Hawthorn Woods and Long Grove give in and want an interchange and use the speeding revenue saved to go towards the interchange.
Traditionally, this is the way that Chicago would solve problems. Just fuck with people 'till they give in.
So? lol Let us who are affected by that ass clown deal with it our way.
I suggest sticking it to Long Grove and Hawthorn Woods by constructing this as a conventional six lane tollway and making them pay for it by levying special taxes in their towns (and their towns exclusively) to help pay for it, since they've been holding this up for 40 years.
Seriously, this mayor should be voted out next election. This is ludicrous he would compare this to Tiananmen Square.
They could just be ruthless to the mayor and everybody else by just plowing the town to build the freeway. More cities should do this to finish their freeway system. It's using brute force, but I'd rather have a completed freeway.
Quote from: hobsini2 on May 24, 2015, 08:19:47 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on May 24, 2015, 06:48:02 PM
Quote from: dietermoreno on May 24, 2015, 12:44:25 AM
Run his ass over, deny Long Grove and Hawthorn Woods the opportunity of collecting revenue from speeding over 45 ( I doubt the state police would enforce the speed limit because I haven't seen a single state police car on 53 and 355 since Rauner came to office), and add speed photo enforcement cameras in Long Grove and Hawthorn Woods and use the funds from speeding tickets to go to building the Rt 22 interchange. Start out with no Rt 22 interchange to punish Hawthorn Wood's mayor and punish Long Grove for insisting that a stop light or round about be put at Rt 22 and Rt 53. build the interchange once Hawthorn Woods and Long Grove give in and want an interchange and use the speeding revenue saved to go towards the interchange.
Traditionally, this is the way that Chicago would solve problems. Just fuck with people 'till they give in.
So? lol Let us who are affected by that ass clown deal with it our way.
I don't think you understood my comment. Chicago was known for being incredibly corrupt during the early 20th century. Dietermoreno seems to suggest, perhaps jokingly, that more corruption is the answer (by politically fucking with Hawthorne Woods).
Quote from: noelbotevera on May 24, 2015, 09:02:55 PM
They could just be ruthless to the mayor and everybody else by just plowing the town to build the freeway. More cities should do this to finish their freeway system. It's using brute force, but I'd rather have a completed freeway.
I felt the same way once.
You're going to have a lot of classes that teach about constitutional rights like "due process" and property rights and the like.
Nice concept, in other words, but you can only use brute force in the Fictional Highways forum.
Quote from: I-39 on May 24, 2015, 08:50:47 PM
I suggest sticking it to Long Grove and Hawthorn Woods by constructing this as a conventional six lane tollway and making them pay for it by levying special taxes in their towns (and their towns exclusively) to help pay for it, since they've been holding this up for 40 years.
Seriously, this mayor should be voted out next election. This is ludicrous he would compare this to Tiananmen Square.
I don't think you can do that constitutionally in Illinois (state constitution).
Quote from: noelbotevera on May 24, 2015, 09:02:55 PM
They could just be ruthless to the mayor and everybody else by just plowing the town to build the freeway. More cities should do this to finish their freeway system. It's using brute force, but I'd rather have a completed freeway.
Why? IDOT already owns the ROW with nothing in the way. No plowing required (see the map I posted above).
Quote from: jakeroot on May 25, 2015, 12:27:53 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on May 24, 2015, 08:19:47 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on May 24, 2015, 06:48:02 PM
Quote from: dietermoreno on May 24, 2015, 12:44:25 AM
Run his ass over, deny Long Grove and Hawthorn Woods the opportunity of collecting revenue from speeding over 45 ( I doubt the state police would enforce the speed limit because I haven't seen a single state police car on 53 and 355 since Rauner came to office), and add speed photo enforcement cameras in Long Grove and Hawthorn Woods and use the funds from speeding tickets to go to building the Rt 22 interchange. Start out with no Rt 22 interchange to punish Hawthorn Wood's mayor and punish Long Grove for insisting that a stop light or round about be put at Rt 22 and Rt 53. build the interchange once Hawthorn Woods and Long Grove give in and want an interchange and use the speeding revenue saved to go towards the interchange.
Traditionally, this is the way that Chicago would solve problems. Just fuck with people 'till they give in.
So? lol Let us who are affected by that ass clown deal with it our way.
I don't think you understood my comment. Chicago was known for being incredibly corrupt during the early 20th century. Dietermoreno seems to suggest, perhaps jokingly, that more corruption is the answer (by politically fucking with Hawthorne Woods).
Jake, I knew what you were saying. Political corruption is nothing new in this area. We have sent in just the past two decade or so the Cicero Town President, the Dixon Auditor, numerous Congressmen (about 5 that I can think of without looking it up), and 2 sitting Governors to prison. When it comes to corruption, Illinois is leading the way.
Quote from: hobsini2 on May 25, 2015, 12:38:09 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on May 25, 2015, 12:27:53 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on May 24, 2015, 08:19:47 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on May 24, 2015, 06:48:02 PM
Quote from: dietermoreno on May 24, 2015, 12:44:25 AM
Run his ass over, deny Long Grove and Hawthorn Woods the opportunity of collecting revenue from speeding over 45 ( I doubt the state police would enforce the speed limit because I haven't seen a single state police car on 53 and 355 since Rauner came to office), and add speed photo enforcement cameras in Long Grove and Hawthorn Woods and use the funds from speeding tickets to go to building the Rt 22 interchange. Start out with no Rt 22 interchange to punish Hawthorn Wood's mayor and punish Long Grove for insisting that a stop light or round about be put at Rt 22 and Rt 53. build the interchange once Hawthorn Woods and Long Grove give in and want an interchange and use the speeding revenue saved to go towards the interchange.
Traditionally, this is the way that Chicago would solve problems. Just fuck with people 'till they give in.
So? lol Let us who are affected by that ass clown deal with it our way.
I don't think you understood my comment. Chicago was known for being incredibly corrupt during the early 20th century. Dietermoreno seems to suggest, perhaps jokingly, that more corruption is the answer (by politically fucking with Hawthorne Woods).
Jake, I knew what you were saying. Political corruption is nothing new in this area. We have sent in just the past two decade or so the Cicero Town President, the Dixon Auditor, numerous Congressmen (about 5 that I can think of without looking it up), and 2 sitting Governors to prison. When it comes to corruption, Illinois is leading the way.
But that doesn't make it a viable option (outside of the Fictional Highway thread)?
Quote from: Brandon on May 25, 2015, 07:41:03 AM
Quote from: I-39 on May 24, 2015, 08:50:47 PM
I suggest sticking it to Long Grove and Hawthorn Woods by constructing this as a conventional six lane tollway and making them pay for it by levying special taxes in their towns (and their towns exclusively) to help pay for it, since they've been holding this up for 40 years.
Seriously, this mayor should be voted out next election. This is ludicrous he would compare this to Tiananmen Square.
I don't think you can do that constitutionally in Illinois (state constitution).
I was mostly joking, but if it were up to me, this would be built as a six lane tollway and Long Grove and Hawthorn Woods would be paying for a significant portion of this project since they've held it up and jacked up the construction cost as a result.
Does any one know what actually is Illinois law or Federal law for someone who stands in front of road construction machines to attempt to stop construction work? I'm guessing there has to be some law against standing in front of a bulldozer.
Then again, Illinois politicians do have a history of not obeying the law, with how many Illinois politicians we have in prison.
Then taser him?
Quote from: dietermoreno on June 06, 2015, 07:43:14 PM
Does any one know what actually is Illinois law or Federal law for someone who stands in front of road construction machines to attempt to stop construction work? I'm guessing there has to be some law against standing in front of a bulldozer.
Then again, Illinois politicians do have a history of not obeying the law, with how many Illinois politicians we have in prison.
Then taser him?
Trespassing?
Mike
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Imagine how stupid you are going to look in 40 years.
Quote from: Molandfreak on June 07, 2015, 12:26:14 AM
QuoteThe bridge would divide our town into two parts, and create a visual impact to a large number of homes in Hawthorn Woods and our neighboring municipalities
So you think that a bunch of weed-infested trash land in the middle of town isn't an eyesore, but a freeway with modern design would be? Your definition of 'visual impact' is significantly flawed, mayor.
At risk of sounding like I'm defending an idiot, why are these the only two possible outcomes?
Quote from: Pete from Boston on June 07, 2015, 10:03:20 AM
Quote from: Molandfreak on June 07, 2015, 12:26:14 AM
QuoteThe bridge would divide our town into two parts, and create a visual impact to a large number of homes in Hawthorn Woods and our neighboring municipalities
So you think that a bunch of weed-infested trash land in the middle of town isn't an eyesore, but a freeway with modern design would be? Your definition of 'visual impact' is significantly flawed, mayor.
At risk of sounding like I'm defending an idiot, why are these the only two possible outcomes?
They technically aren't, but IDOT isn't going to do anything else with that land and they've had a gigantic eyesore of overgrowth in the middle of town for 30 years now.
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Considering Rauner is going to close the state museum and probably state parks I don't see it being anything else. The real risk is that he starts thinking it will cost the state money. Unlike the Illiana it shouldn't and I think his head of IDOT likes this project so we should get this and the Elgin Ohare -Oh and half a Macomb bypass but don't expect much else . Madigan considers Capital Bills as his gift to good govs and so far in the last 2 decades only George Ryan and Pat Quinn pleased him enough
Quote from: 3467 on June 08, 2015, 09:44:45 PM
Considering Rauner is going to close the state museum and probably state parks I don't see it being anything else. The real risk is that he starts thinking it will cost the state money. Unlike the Illiana it shouldn't and I think his head of IDOT likes this project so we should get this and the Elgin Ohare -Oh and half a Macomb bypass but don't expect much else . Madigan considers Capital Bills as his gift to good govs and so far in the last 2 decades only George Ryan and Pat Quinn pleased him enough
That's just it. Madigan can't be running things like that. He needs to go.
I kind of hope Rauner's new appointments tell the tollway to revise it to a standard six lane tollway, the four lane tolled parkway that is on the table now is not adequate, and I think most of the public agrees.
Quote from: Molandfreak on June 08, 2015, 07:24:19 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on June 07, 2015, 10:03:20 AM
Quote from: Molandfreak on June 07, 2015, 12:26:14 AM
QuoteThe bridge would divide our town into two parts, and create a visual impact to a large number of homes in Hawthorn Woods and our neighboring municipalities
So you think that a bunch of weed-infested trash land in the middle of town isn't an eyesore, but a freeway with modern design would be? Your definition of 'visual impact' is significantly flawed, mayor.
At risk of sounding like I'm defending an idiot, why are these the only two possible outcomes?
They technically aren't, but IDOT isn't going to do anything else with that land and they've had a gigantic eyesore of overgrowth in the middle of town for 30 years now.
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Is that how the locals feel about it?
Just build the damn thing! Can't this idiot just be overthrown from office.
Impeach this guy and condemn him to life in prison or death row with an unformal execution. It shows you how bad this mayor is.
Quote from: noelbotevera on June 09, 2015, 01:25:04 AM
Impeach this guy and condemn him to life in prison or death row with an unformal execution. It shows you how bad this mayor is.
In an impeachment, the only penalty is removal from office. A prison sentence would have to follow a new trial, in criminal court.
So is the mayor actually an obstacle to constructing the project if he can just be arrested for trespassing? No right? So nothing to worry about?
I'm also hoping for a 6 lane interstate-grade highway. It would be much more helpful for traffic congestion than a parkway.
Quote from: dave069 on June 26, 2015, 07:15:29 PM
I'm also hoping for a 6 lane interstate-grade highway. It would be much more helpful for traffic congestion than a parkway.
One of the alternatives does leave right of way to six-lane the parkway, but how the six-laning will be carried out is the point of debate.
Some of the proposals for the six lane parkway that have been discussed by the brac so far:
(1) 3 general purpose lanes in each direction with no inner shoulder with a speed limit of 45 mph,
(2) 2 general purpose lanes in each direction with a wide inner shoulder for Pace bus-on-shoulders program with a speed limit of 60 mph,
(3) 2 general purpose lanes in each direction with an HOV lane in each direction and no inner shoulder with a speed limit of 45 mph,
(4) idea (1) or (3) + an inner shoulder with a speed limit of 60 mph.
It has been proposed that the speed limit be 60 mph from Lake Cook to IL 22, and then reduce speed to the no-shoulders parkway with a speed limit of 45 mph to the north of IL 22.
If I was in charge of this I would plan a 6 lane interstate grade freeway with an extra HOV lane in each direction. I would make sure there would be no exits within the Hawthorn Woods city limits.
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on June 27, 2015, 06:22:06 PM
I would make sure there would be no exits within the Hawthorn Woods city limits.
Lake Zurich and Mundelein should not be punished for Hawthorn Woods's idiocy though. If you take away the Rt 22 interchange and the Midlothian Rd interchange, the next interchange is Peterson Rd - no exits for 11 miles.
Long Grove wants a stop light or a round about at Rt 22, and that will be completely unacceptable for the plan for the parkway to start out as 6 lanes at 60 mph speed limit until Rt 22. Therefore, building a stop light or a round about at Rt 22 is completely unacceptable and Long Grove can go Tiananmen Square too if they want and then we'll put another mayor in jail.
Quote from: dietermoreno on June 27, 2015, 07:01:09 PM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on June 27, 2015, 06:22:06 PM
I would make sure there would be no exits within the Hawthorn Woods city limits.
Lake Zurich and Mundelein should not be punished for Hawthorn Woods's idiocy though. If you take away the Rt 22 interchange and the Midlothian Rd interchange, the next interchange is Peterson Rd - no exits for 11 miles.
Long Grove wants a stop light or a round about at Rt 22, and that will be completely unacceptable for the plan for the parkway to start out as 6 lanes at 60 mph speed limit until Rt 22. Therefore, building a stop light or a round about at Rt 22 is completely unacceptable and Long Grove can go Tiananmen Square too if they want and then we'll put another mayor in jail.
Route 22 isn't technically in the city limits. At least according to this- https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Hawthorn+Woods,+IL,+USA/@42.241027,-88.0675794,13z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x880f988395ecc363:0xe3e496b7f0ba0516