Has there ever been an instance where a U.S. route or Interstate has crossed the border and maintained its designation there? I don't mean just the same number. I mean the same system - for instance, remaining a U.S. route on Canadian or Mexican soil.
I thought someone said US 2 used to be designated through Canada, though I don't remember ever seeing this on any map.
Conversely, have any other countries' route systems entered the U.S.?
Quote from: bandit957 on May 14, 2015, 05:12:22 PM
I thought someone said US 2 used to be designated through Canada, though I don't remember ever seeing this on any map.
That's because whomever said that had no clue about what they were saying.
The closest thing to this is MX 57 turning into US 57, US 75 turning into MB 75, US 67 turning into CHIH 67,US 83 turning into MB 83, I-95 turning into NB 95, and US 97 turning into BC 97. I probably missed a few others too. Why would any US highways be signed in other countries though? :confused:
Quote from: US 41 on May 14, 2015, 07:37:57 PMWhy would any US highways be signed in other countries though? :confused:
Same reason NY 17 is signed in Pennsylvania.
Quote from: bandit957 on May 14, 2015, 05:12:22 PM
I thought someone said US 2 used to be designated through Canada, though I don't remember ever seeing this on any map.
http://goo.gl/maps/qtmkJ :bigass:
Yes, I know it's a trunk route, and not a US highway
Does QC 247 Count? Also named as Canusa Street or something like that.
http://goo.gl/maps/VyhHh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canusa_Street
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Quote from: empirestate on May 14, 2015, 07:41:17 PM
Quote from: US 41 on May 14, 2015, 07:37:57 PMWhy would any US highways be signed in other countries though? :confused:
Same reason NY 17 is signed in Pennsylvania.
Well, you got me there. :D This might be a dumb question, but out of curiosity does NY take care of that tiny part of NY 17 that enters Pennsylvania or does PA take care of it? The pavement doesn't appear to change at either one of the state borders.
Quote from: bandit957 on May 14, 2015, 05:12:22 PM
I thought someone said US 2 used to be designated through Canada, though I don't remember ever seeing this on any map.
http://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.transport.road/Tn_Zz-E9C7o/2vFGXKVwEnYJ
TxDOT is beginning work on a westward extension of Loop 375 around Downtown El Paso. Because of VERY TIGHT right-of-way constraints, plans call for the elevated structure to be built in the no-mans-land between the Border Wall and the northern bank of the Rio Grande. So, kinda. :awesomeface:
Does QC 247 enter Vermont?
Quote from: empirestate on May 14, 2015, 07:41:17 PM
Quote from: US 41 on May 14, 2015, 07:37:57 PMWhy would any US highways be signed in other countries though? :confused:
Same reason NY 17 is signed in Pennsylvania.
SK 17 is signed in Alberta.
http://goo.gl/maps/fS82q
Quote from: US 41 on May 14, 2015, 07:37:57 PMWhy would any US highways be signed in other countries though? :confused:
US 37 is in Canada: http://goo.gl/maps/PXT2L
Quote from: SignGeek101 on May 14, 2015, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: US 41 on May 14, 2015, 07:37:57 PMWhy would any US highways be signed in other countries though? :confused:
US 37 is in Canada: http://goo.gl/maps/PXT2L
That should be "TO NY 37".
Quote from: US 41 on May 14, 2015, 07:49:06 PM
This might be a dumb question, but out of curiosity does NY take care of that tiny part of NY 17 that enters Pennsylvania or does PA take care of it? The pavement doesn't appear to change at either one of the state borders.
The tiny stretch of NY 17/Future I-86 that crosses the PA state line near Sayre was constructed by NYSDOT, is maintained by them, and is patrolled by NY State Police. For all intents and purposes, it functions like a tiny enclave of NY within PA borders.
Quote from: 1 on May 14, 2015, 08:25:50 PM
Quote from: SignGeek101 on May 14, 2015, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: US 41 on May 14, 2015, 07:37:57 PMWhy would any US highways be signed in other countries though? :confused:
US 37 is in Canada: http://goo.gl/maps/PXT2L
That should be "TO NY 37".
I know, I was just having fun. That error has been there for years. Not to mention, NY 37 goes East / West.
Quote from: 1 on May 14, 2015, 08:12:03 PM
Does QC 247 enter Vermont?
There are American signs there: http://goo.gl/maps/kQ54D
Voting for US Senator? http://goo.gl/maps/Rk23P
Quote from: briantroutman on May 14, 2015, 08:28:28 PM
The tiny stretch of NY 17/Future I-86 that crosses the PA state line near Sayre was constructed by NYSDOT, is maintained by them, and is patrolled by NY State Police. For all intents and purposes, it functions like a tiny enclave of NY within PA borders.
On the other hand, it was assigned a legislative route number by Pennsylvania. See page 139: ftp://ftp.dot.state.pa.us/public/Bureaus/BOMO/RM/RITS/LR%20Books/Bradford.pdf
Quote from: US 41 on May 14, 2015, 07:37:57 PM
Why would any US highways be signed in other countries though? :confused:
Because there's a few places where a Kentucky state route enters a neighboring state. For instance, KY 17 goes a little bit into Ohio to include the Suspension Bridge.
Quote from: US 41 on May 14, 2015, 07:37:57 PM
The closest thing to this is MX 57 turning into US 57, US 75 turning into MB 75, US 67 turning into CHIH 67,US 83 turning into MB 83, I-95 turning into NB 95, and US 97 turning into BC 97. I probably missed a few others too. Why would any US highways be signed in other countries though? :confused:
Since the closure of the Noyes/Emerson border crossing between the U.S. and Canada, U.S. 75 dead ends and I-29 becomes MB-75. There was a MB-29 (very short) between I-29 at the border and the intersection with the road formerly posted as MB-75 that came through Noyes and Emerson, but no longer.
Quote from: empirestate on May 14, 2015, 07:41:17 PM
Quote from: US 41 on May 14, 2015, 07:37:57 PMWhy would any US highways be signed in other countries though? :confused:
Same reason NY 17 is signed in Pennsylvania.
NY 17 briefly dips into PA simply because it was easier to build the road that way than to keep it all in New York. There are other examples of state highways doing this - see NY 120A in Connecticut, ME 113 in New Hampshire, AR 43 in Oklahoma.
But between two states this sort of thing can be arranged since there are no customs to worry about. If a similar dilemma were to arise involving an international border, you can bet that they would spend the extra money to keep the road on one side of the border since otherwise you'd have a customs problem.
That said, there ARE examples of minor streets dancing with the border and this producing some interesting consequences, such as the aforementioned Rue Canusa where the road is in Quebec but houses along it are in Vermont.
There's also the aptly named "Border Road" directly east of the northern end of I-15, which runs right down the middle of the no-touching zone and has streets ending on it from both Alberta and Montana. No customs booths along it but I'm sure border patrol keeps an eye on it and anyone who doesn't leave to the same side they came from will get nabbed.
BBefore Québec renumbered them, Autoroutes 15 and 55 were numbered 9 and 5, respectively, to match the US route at the crossing. Also looks like Route 235 keeps its same number in Québec and Vermont, as do routes 139, 243, 147 (all 1/8 mi. in VT), and 141 (about a 1/2 mi. in VT)
Quote from: SignGeek101 on May 14, 2015, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: empirestate on May 14, 2015, 07:41:17 PM
Quote from: US 41 on May 14, 2015, 07:37:57 PMWhy would any US highways be signed in other countries though? :confused:
Same reason NY 17 is signed in Pennsylvania.
SK 17 is signed in Alberta.
http://goo.gl/maps/fS82q
Not quite. It's AB 17 in Alberta and SK 17 in Saskatchewan. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_17_%28Alberta%E2%80%93Saskatchewan%29
Quote from: US 41 on May 14, 2015, 07:37:57 PM
The closest thing to this is MX 57 turning into US 57, US 75 turning into MB 75, US 67 turning into CHIH 67,US 83 turning into MB 83, I-95 turning into NB 95, and US 97 turning into BC 97. I probably missed a few others too. Why would any US highways be signed in other countries though? :confused:
BC 93 is a northern continuation of US 93, BC 95 is a continuation of US 95 and BC 395 is a continuation of US 395. BC 99 is a remnant continuation of the now decommissioned US 99.
TCH 1 is a continuation of MEX 1.
ON 61 is a continuation of what used to be US 61 but is now MN 61.
Quote from: bandit957 on May 14, 2015, 05:12:22 PM
Has there ever been an instance where a U.S. route or Interstate has crossed the border and maintained its designation there? I don't mean just the same number. I mean the same system - for instance, remaining a U.S. route on Canadian or Mexican soil.
Quote from: national highway 1 on May 15, 2015, 02:34:16 AM
Quote from: US 41 on May 14, 2015, 07:37:57 PM
The closest thing to this is MX 57 turning into US 57, US 75 turning into MB 75, US 67 turning into CHIH 67,US 83 turning into MB 83, I-95 turning into NB 95, and US 97 turning into BC 97. I probably missed a few others too. Why would any US highways be signed in other countries though? :confused:
BC 93 is a northern continuation of US 93, BC 95 is a continuation of US 95 and BC 395 is a continuation of US 395. BC 99 is a remnant continuation of the now decommissioned US 99.
Quote from: codyg1985 on May 15, 2015, 07:09:05 AM
ON 61 is a continuation of what used to be US 61 but is now MN 61.
So...that would be a "no", then?
There's a recently completed (last year or two years ago, I don't recall exactly when) German road that passes through Swiss territory while retaining its German number.
Quote from: SignGeek101 on May 14, 2015, 07:45:31 PM
Does QC 247 Count? Also named as Canusa Street or something like that.
http://goo.gl/maps/VyhHh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canusa_Street
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Too bad the country is not displayed anymore. But https://www.google.es/maps/@45.00584,-72.137515,3a,75y,105.48h,89.41t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sPsUAhHxH9uk1LsAi96yqEg!2e0 :sombrero:.
Quote from: NE2 on May 14, 2015, 07:57:52 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on May 14, 2015, 05:12:22 PM
I thought someone said US 2 used to be designated through Canada, though I don't remember ever seeing this on any map.
http://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.transport.road/Tn_Zz-E9C7o/2vFGXKVwEnYJ
I'd forgotten what a bellend JP Kirby was.
Quote from: bandit957 on May 14, 2015, 10:40:53 PM
Quote from: US 41 on May 14, 2015, 07:37:57 PM
Why would any US highways be signed in other countries though? :confused:
Because there's a few places where a Kentucky state route enters a neighboring state. For instance, KY 17 goes a little bit into Ohio to include the Suspension Bridge.
AR 43 goes a few hundred feet into Oklahoma.
My recollection is that there was some preliminary discussion of extending US 97 to Alaska via the Alaska Highway, and as part of that plan that BC considered signing what is now BC 97 as US 97, but nothing came of it and it was never signed as a US route in BC or the Yukon (although signs apparently were produced in Alaska).
Evidence here. (http://www.us-highways.com/ak-us.htm)
Quote from: lordsutch on May 15, 2015, 12:34:41 PM
My recollection is that there was some preliminary discussion of extending US 97 to Alaska via the Alaska Highway, and as part of that plan that BC considered signing what is now BC 97 as US 97, but nothing came of it and it was never signed as a US route in BC or the Yukon (although signs apparently were produced in Alaska).
Evidence here. (http://www.us-highways.com/ak-us.htm)
That, I believe, was contingent on Yukon signing their part of the route as Yukon 97, but they refused.
Doesn't I-95 become NB 95?
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on May 15, 2015, 01:58:45 PM
Doesn't I-95 become NB 95?
Mike
Yes it does, although that's a different thread.
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Not so much US routes being signed over Canadian or Mexican roads, but the US routes in the West meet up with BC routes of the same number... usually. US 99/I-5 meets BC-99. Same for US 97, US 395, US 95, and US 93.
Aren't the Quebec Autoroutes similar in standards to Interstates? Even the colours are similar, odd numbers are north-south, even are east-west. Quebec has it's own provincial highways different from the Autoroutes, similar to how states have state routes that are different from Interstates. It has spur routes. I think it's as close to an Interstate in Canada.
Many of the main autoroutes do in practice have similar standards to interstate, but as a system the autoroutes most definitely do not (https://www.google.com/maps/@46.013845,-72.093531,3a,37.8y,54.81h,82.79t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sUy6nXq6JeFUPHD8-BuvrOA!2e0). For example, A-955 (as linked to) is a freeway for exactly 0 km of its length. A-55 has a two lane at-grade section as well, and super-2 autoroutes exist as well.
The question wasn't what numbers continue as separate routes, the question was what U.S. Routes and interstates were/are actually signed in Canada and Mexico.
iPhone
Quote from: Molandfreak on May 18, 2015, 06:30:24 PM
The question wasn't what numbers continue as separate routes, the question was what U.S. Routes and interstates were/are actually signed in Canada and Mexico.
iPhone
US 2 in Maine goes through the town of Mexico.
Quote from: Bickendan on May 15, 2015, 02:32:39 AM
Quote from: SignGeek101 on May 14, 2015, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: empirestate on May 14, 2015, 07:41:17 PM
Quote from: US 41 on May 14, 2015, 07:37:57 PMWhy would any US highways be signed in other countries though? :confused:
Same reason NY 17 is signed in Pennsylvania.
SK 17 is signed in Alberta.
http://goo.gl/maps/fS82q
Not quite. It's AB 17 in Alberta and SK 17 in Saskatchewan. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_17_%28Alberta%E2%80%93Saskatchewan%29
Close. Hwy 17 straddles the Alberta/Saskatchewan border, consigned as AB 17/SK 17 (see https://goo.gl/maps/nfQj7), and both provinces share jurisdiction - even though there are sections that are located entirely within one province. Even at the SK 17/40 junction near Macklin, it is signed exclusively as SK 17, but that section appears in Alberta Transportation documents as still being under their joint jurisdiction (see http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/Content/docType329/Production/provincial001-216.pdf).
Another example would be YK 2 & YK 3, which go through British Columbia en route to Alaska. The Klondike Highway (YK 2) is signed as YK 2 in BC and maintained by the Yukon; while the Haines Highway (AK 7 and YK 3) is unsigned in BC but the entire route, including the Alaska and Yukon sections, are jointly maintained by Alaska and the Yukon, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukon_Highway_3.
Add to that: BC 97 and YT 1, as both border hop the BC/YT border quite a few times.
NWT 5 dips into Alberta at least two times.
ME 113 juts into NH 3 or 4 times. Route 286 jumps the MA/NH line a couple of times.
Reading comprehension, people...
iPhone
Quote from: Molandfreak on May 23, 2015, 12:06:22 AM
Reading comprehension, people...
iPhone
Yes...I think we're all set on examples of border-crossing state and provincial routes that serve to illustrate why there might be an international example of the same. :-P
Bringing this back again, I remembered there is an instance where pure MUTCD signage has entered Canada, probably American installed.
https://goo.gl/maps/KxDfW
https://goo.gl/maps/UEEGp - Note that "kgs" should be written as "kg" and "kph" should be written as "km/h"
https://goo.gl/maps/RG7CC
It's the closest thing to having a highway "owned" by the US, but in Canada.
Quote from: SignGeek101 on June 03, 2015, 01:05:39 AM
Bringing this back again, I remembered there is an instance where pure MUTCD signage has entered Canada, probably American installed.
https://goo.gl/maps/KxDfW
https://goo.gl/maps/UEEGp - Note that "kgs" should be written as "kg" and "kph" should be written as "km/h"
https://goo.gl/maps/RG7CC
It's the closest thing to having a highway "owned" by the US, but in Canada.
And the opposite on I-15 just south of the Canadian border
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corcohighways.org%2Fhighways%2Fmt%2F15%2Fabto214%2F1.jpg&hash=c5b785fe7c9550c2f27a6b7cfc081d42ffb8bb6c)
Quote from: SignGeek101 on May 16, 2015, 06:42:32 PM
Aren't the Quebec Autoroutes similar in standards to Interstates? Even the colours are similar, odd numbers are north-south, even are east-west. Quebec has it's own provincial highways different from the Autoroutes, similar to how states have state routes that are different from Interstates. It has spur routes. I think it's as close to an Interstate in Canada.
The red, white and blue Autoroute shields came about in the 1960s and were directly modeled after the interstate shields. But as stated, other than a similar numbering scheme and shields, the two networks are quite different.
Quote from: corco on June 03, 2015, 01:07:50 AM
Quote from: SignGeek101 on June 03, 2015, 01:05:39 AM
Bringing this back again, I remembered there is an instance where pure MUTCD signage has entered Canada, probably American installed.
https://goo.gl/maps/KxDfW
https://goo.gl/maps/UEEGp - Note that "kgs" should be written as "kg" and "kph" should be written as "km/h"
https://goo.gl/maps/RG7CC
It's the closest thing to having a highway "owned" by the US, but in Canada.
And the opposite on I-15 just south of the Canadian border
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corcohighways.org%2Fhighways%2Fmt%2F15%2Fabto214%2F1.jpg&hash=c5b785fe7c9550c2f27a6b7cfc081d42ffb8bb6c)
This exists! :-o
If it weren't for the "mph" I would have thought the limit was in km/h, even though most km/h limits don't end in 5.