I was wondering what states in the US don't have any toll roads or toll bridges. The only one I know would be Kentucky.
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on May 20, 2015, 04:30:04 PM
I was wondering what states in the US don't have any toll roads or toll bridges. The only one I know would be Kentucky.
Are there any toll facilities in Tennessee?
Quote from: hbelkins on May 20, 2015, 04:43:30 PM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on May 20, 2015, 04:30:04 PM
I was wondering what states in the US don't have any toll roads or toll bridges. The only one I know would be Kentucky.
Are there any toll facilities in Tennessee?
Now that I think about it there are none I can think of of the top of my head, neither for Alabama or Missisipi. Also I can't think of any toll facilities in Georgia besides HOT lanes on I-85 and the future I-675 and I-75 express lanes
How specific are you looking to be? Do high-occupancy toll lanes on an otherwise free road disqualify the road?
Wisconsin I believe does not have any tolled facilities of any kind.
No toll roads or bridges in Arizona nor New Mexico either. There was once a proposal to build the proposed Loop 202 South Mountain Freeway in the Phoenix area as a toll road, but that never happened. The current plans for the South Mountain Freeway (pending a lawsuit filed by PARC and other left-wing NIMBY organizations) do not include any tolls.
Hawaii has neither.
Alaska has neither, but does have a toll tunnel, a private bridge into McCarthy restricted to and paid for by local residents (visitors must walk across the river on a footbridge), as well as many un-free ferries.
Many of the western states have no toll facilities, including at least (IIRC) Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming (if you don't count national park entrance gates on various US routes), Nevada, North and South Dakota, maybe Nebraska. Utah (mainly HO/T lanes) and Colorado are outliers in the largely toll-free Mountain time zone.
I think Oregon's only toll facilities are toll bridges crossing into Washington.
Well that is an interesting point whether HOT or express lane facilities count. I would say no, only tolled roads and bridges. No other types
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 20, 2015, 04:47:12 PM
How specific are you looking to be? Do high-occupancy toll lanes on an otherwise free road disqualify the road?
Wisconsin I believe does not have any tolled facilities of any kind.
I would think it to be any toll facility of any kind.
For example, Michigan is disqualified due to having 4 fixed toll facilities: Mackinac Bridge, Blue Water Bridge, Ambassador Bridge, and Detroit-Windsor Tunnel, even though 3 of these facilities are shared with Ontario; as well as a few ferries across the Saint Clair River.
I believe Wisconsin is 100% toll facility free, even including ferries, with the sole exception of the
SS Badger. How one counts the
SS Badger can be up for debate.
Iowa is disqualified due to the Fort Madison Toll Bridge (IA-IL over the Mississippi River) and the Bellevue Bridge (IA-NE over the Missouri River).
Then, Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio are disqualified for the obvious reasons (ISTHA, ITR, and OTIC).
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on May 20, 2015, 04:30:04 PM
I was wondering what states in the US don't have any toll roads or toll bridges. The only one I know would be Kentucky.
1. The new I-265 Bridge will be toll.
2. The Anderson Ferry across the Ohio River near Cincinnati.
3. The Dorena-Hickman Ferry across the Mississippi River.
If "toll roads and bridges" is the only criteria, then you can rule out Connecticut, Vermont, Minnesota, and Mississippi as well.
Quote from: Brandon on May 20, 2015, 05:11:55 PM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on May 20, 2015, 04:30:04 PM
I was wondering what states in the US don't have any toll roads or toll bridges. The only one I know would be Kentucky.
1. The new I-265 Bridge will be toll.
2. The Anderson Ferry across the Ohio River near Cincinnati.
3. The Dorena-Hickman Ferry across the Mississippi River.
Well I didn't think about ferries, but I didn't count roadways still under contrusction
Quote from: Brandon on May 20, 2015, 04:59:39 PM
I believe Wisconsin is 100% toll facility free, even including ferries, with the sole exception of the SS Badger. How one counts the SS Badger can be up for debate.
Don't forget the Lake Express ferry between Muskegon MI and Milwaukee, which is privately operated like (IIRC) the Badger.
Quote from: oscar on May 20, 2015, 05:23:58 PM
Quote from: Brandon on May 20, 2015, 04:59:39 PM
I believe Wisconsin is 100% toll facility free, even including ferries, with the sole exception of the SS Badger. How one counts the SS Badger can be up for debate.
Don't forget the Lake Express ferry between Muskegon MI and Milwaukee, which is privately operated like (IIRC) the Badger.
And the ferry Connecting Washington Island to the rest of Door County. http://www.wisferry.com/washington-island-ferry
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on May 20, 2015, 04:45:36 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 20, 2015, 04:43:30 PM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on May 20, 2015, 04:30:04 PM
I was wondering what states in the US don't have any toll roads or toll bridges. The only one I know would be Kentucky.
Are there any toll facilities in Tennessee?
Now that I think about it there are none I can think of of the top of my head, neither for Alabama or Missisipi.
Alabama has several privately owned and operated toll roads that are small in scope and serve predominantly local traffic. One example. (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ipd/project_profiles/al_foley_beach.aspx)
Quote from: froggie on May 20, 2015, 05:13:00 PM
If "toll roads and bridges" is the only criteria, then you can rule out Connecticut, Vermont, Minnesota, and Mississippi as well.
If ferries are included, of course, at least Vermont and Connecticut are off the list.
For a few years, Washington had no toll roads or bridges within its borders -- toll bridges to Oregon and ferries.
Nevada has no tolled roadway facilities of any kind. Actually, toll roads are not currently allowed by state law.
There was an effort to change this a couple legislative sessions ago. A demonstration project was conceived that NDOT could build the US 93 (future I-11) Boulder City Bypass as a toll road. Not sure what the discussion was on that, but the law didn't get changed, and that project is moving forward with other funding measures.
Quote from: Brandon on May 20, 2015, 04:59:39 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 20, 2015, 04:47:12 PM
How specific are you looking to be? Do high-occupancy toll lanes on an otherwise free road disqualify the road?
Wisconsin I believe does not have any tolled facilities of any kind.
I would think it to be any toll facility of any kind.
I believe Wisconsin is 100% toll facility free, even including ferries, with the sole exception of the SS Badger. How one counts the SS Badger can be up for debate.
The SS Badger (Manitowoc-Ludington), the Lake Express (Milwaukee-Muskegon), the Washington Island ferry and the Madeline Island ferries all charge tolls.
Mike
Quote from: Brandon on May 20, 2015, 04:59:39 PM
Iowa is disqualified due to the Fort Madison Toll Bridge (IA-IL over the Mississippi River) and the Bellevue Bridge (IA-NE over the Missouri River).
There's also the Plattsmouth toll bridge as well. Iowa and Wisconsin share the ferry between Cassville, WI and Millville, IA.
I can't think of anything for North or South Dakota that's a toll.
South Carolina comes close. I know I-185 is tolled, but almost nobody uses it.
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on May 20, 2015, 04:54:31 PM
Well that is an interesting point whether HOT or express lane facilities count. I would say no, only tolled roads and bridges. No other types
??
I realize you can make up whatever criteria you want, but...
HOT/Express lanes are tolled roads. The toll may not apply to everyone, but it's still a toll.
Quote from: Zzonkmiles on May 21, 2015, 07:03:39 AM
South Carolina comes close. I know I-185 is tolled, but almost nobody uses it.
Also US 278 Bypass on Hilton Head Island...
Mike
Connecticut has had no tolls for several decades at this point, unless you count the old tollbooth from the Merritt Parkway (CT 15) that's preserved in a park in Stratford. No one's paying any tolls there, though, so I wouldn't count it.
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on May 20, 2015, 04:30:04 PM
I was wondering what states in the US don't have any toll roads or toll bridges. The only one I know would be Kentucky.
That will be changing soon.
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on May 20, 2015, 04:45:36 PM
Now that I think about it there are none I can think of of the top of my head, neither for Alabama...
Not quite, there's the Tuscaloosa By-Pass (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.1991737,-87.6256976,14z), and the Montgomery "Expressway" (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Montgomery+Expressway/@32.4342107,-86.3089246,13z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x4555fe908f23f5d2).
Haven't driven on either one yet, just haven't needed to.
Quote from: formulanone on May 21, 2015, 12:51:37 PM
Not quite, there's the Tuscaloosa By-Pass (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.1991737,-87.6256976,14z), and the Montgomery "Expressway" (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Montgomery+Expressway/@32.4342107,-86.3089246,13z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x4555fe908f23f5d2).
Interesting. Despite the names, both would seem to be, in effect, toll bridges.
Quote from: briantroutman on May 21, 2015, 01:14:09 PM
Quote from: formulanone on May 21, 2015, 12:51:37 PM
Not quite, there's the Tuscaloosa By-Pass (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.1991737,-87.6256976,14z), and the Montgomery "Expressway" (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Montgomery+Expressway/@32.4342107,-86.3089246,13z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x4555fe908f23f5d2).
Interesting. Despite the names, both would seem to be, in effect, toll bridges.
And rather pointless.
From Wikipedia:
QuoteAs of January 2014, the states of Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Hawaii, Iowa, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Vermont, Wisconsin, and Wyoming have never had any toll roads, while Georgia,Connecticut, and Kentucky have had toll roads in the past, but have since removed the tolls on those roads. Connecticut, Kentucky, Michigan, and Tennessee currently have proposals to construct future toll roads
^^ Not sure if Georgia counts there as they did remove the tolls from GA 400, but now have HOT lanes on I-85.
Quote from: xotoxi on May 21, 2015, 03:38:13 PM
From Wikipedia:
QuoteAs of January 2014, the states of Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Hawaii, Iowa, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Vermont, Wisconsin, and Wyoming have never had any toll roads, while Georgia,Connecticut, and Kentucky have had toll roads in the past, but have since removed the tolls on those roads. Connecticut, Kentucky, Michigan, and Tennessee currently have proposals to construct future toll roads
It only counts toll roads such as the New Jersey turnpike.
It does not count toll bridges or ferries
Many (all?) of those states had toll roads in the 19th century.
Quote from: NE2 on May 21, 2015, 06:07:41 PM
Many (all?) of those states had toll roads in the 19th century.
I guarantee you the states of Alaska, Hawaii, New Mexico, and Arizona did not have any toll roads in the 19th century. :bigass:
South Australia, Western Australia, Tasmania, Northern Territory and the Australian Capital Territory.
Quote from: Duke87 on May 21, 2015, 11:54:44 PM
I guarantee you the states of Alaska, Hawaii, New Mexico, and Arizona did not have any toll roads in the 19th century.
Anal fuck.
Quote from: NE2 on May 22, 2015, 12:14:41 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on May 21, 2015, 11:54:44 PM
I guarantee you the states of Alaska, Hawaii, New Mexico, and Arizona did not have any toll roads in the 19th century.
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Quote from: jakeroot on May 22, 2015, 06:26:01 PM
Quote from: NE2 on May 22, 2015, 12:14:41 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on May 21, 2015, 11:54:44 PM
I guarantee you the states of Alaska, Hawaii, New Mexico, and Arizona did not have any toll roads in the 19th century.
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Quote from: jakeroot on May 22, 2015, 06:26:01 PM
Quote from: NE2 on May 22, 2015, 12:14:41 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on May 21, 2015, 11:54:44 PM
I guarantee you the states of Alaska, Hawaii, New Mexico, and Arizona did not have any toll roads in the 19th century.
Anal fuck.
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What'll that asshole think of next?
Somebody go back and get a shitload of dimes!
Quote from: Duke87 on May 21, 2015, 11:54:44 PM
Quote from: NE2 on May 21, 2015, 06:07:41 PM
Many (all?) of those states had toll roads in the 19th century.
I guarantee you the states of Alaska, Hawaii, New Mexico, and Arizona did not have any toll roads in the 19th century. :bigass:
In the
Territory of New Mexico was a toll gate on Toll Gate Canyon, which crosses into Colorado east of Raton Pass. Privately operated, of course.
The Carolinas (North and South Carolina)
Quote from: noelbotevera on May 23, 2015, 11:08:18 PM
The Carolinas (North and South Carolina)
Nope to both.
Quote from: hbelkins on May 23, 2015, 11:11:35 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on May 23, 2015, 11:08:18 PM
The Carolinas (North and South Carolina)
Nope to both.
wait. man i'm stupid. I'm really behind the times with the Carolinas (it's been about 9 years - I lived in North Carolina from when I was born in 2004 to 2006). Yep, forgot US 278 was a toll road and the Triangle Expressway...
Quote from: Brandon on May 20, 2015, 04:59:39 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 20, 2015, 04:47:12 PM
How specific are you looking to be? Do high-occupancy toll lanes on an otherwise free road disqualify the road?
Wisconsin I believe does not have any tolled facilities of any kind.
I would think it to be any toll facility of any kind.
I believe Wisconsin is 100% toll facility free, even including ferries, with the sole exception of the SS Badger. How one counts the SS Badger can be up for debate.
Technically, you would have to pay the ferry tolls for the SS Badger if you wish to "remain" on US-10 and not make a long land detour so I count it.
Maybe we should say
"states w/o any toll facilities totally within their boundaries", and not
"toll facilities which straddle two states".
In the latter, you could really be splitting hairs if the toll facilities are only taken/operated by only one of the two states.
Quote from: Brandon on May 22, 2015, 07:58:41 PM
What'll that asshole think of next?
Somebody go back and get a shitload of dimes!
I'm glad they made that movie back when they did. It would never get made today.
Quote from: thenetwork on May 24, 2015, 12:32:50 AM
Quote from: Brandon on May 20, 2015, 04:59:39 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 20, 2015, 04:47:12 PM
How specific are you looking to be? Do high-occupancy toll lanes on an otherwise free road disqualify the road?
Wisconsin I believe does not have any tolled facilities of any kind.
I would think it to be any toll facility of any kind.
I believe Wisconsin is 100% toll facility free, even including ferries, with the sole exception of the SS Badger. How one counts the SS Badger can be up for debate.
Technically, you would have to pay the ferry tolls for the SS Badger if you wish to "remain" on US-10 and not make a long land detour so I count it.
Maybe we should say "states w/o any toll facilities totally within their boundaries", and not "toll facilities which straddle two states".
In the latter, you could really be splitting hairs if the toll facilities are only taken/operated by only one of the two states.
We already pushed the OP into one specific filter - do we need to be
that technical? :pan:
Quote from: jakeroot on May 24, 2015, 06:45:48 PM
Quote from: Brandon on May 22, 2015, 07:58:41 PM
What'll that asshole think of next?
Somebody go back and get a shitload of dimes!
I'm glad they made that movie back when they did. It would never get made today.
True of a lot of Mel Brooks's ingenious movies. There would be no "Producers" hit on Broadway now if he hadn't done it first.
Not counting ferries, Quebec was completely toll-free for 21 years, from May 1990 (when the toll was abolished on the Champlain Bridge) to May 2011 (the first Monday after Pont Olivier-Charbonneau opened to traffic).
Not so fast in writing off the western states without any toll facilities. Colorado has the 470 Toll road and an adjoining toll road to Broomfield. Utah has a one mile long toll road in Ogden, the Adams Avenue Pkwy.
New Mexico had the Dunn Bridge in Taos County which at one time was tolled. On an old map from the 40's, a pontoon style toll bridge went from Parker across the Colorado River into California. Montana had a toll bridge across the Missouri River and Idaho had a toll bridge across the Snake River at Twin Falls. This was shown on 1930's maps.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 21, 2015, 08:07:08 AM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on May 20, 2015, 04:54:31 PM
Well that is an interesting point whether HOT or express lane facilities count. I would say no, only tolled roads and bridges. No other types
??
I realize you can make up whatever criteria you want, but...
HOT/Express lanes are tolled roads. The toll may not apply to everyone, but it's still a toll.
I think this is especially true when they're configured like the ones on the Beltway in Virginia where they have their own dedicated exits and entrances and no slip ramps to and from the general-purpose lanes. A Transurban spokesman once analogized it to an express Interstate built within the footprint of another Interstate. I thought that was a good way to think of it.
Does Arizona have any? I don't remember seeing any type of toll facility driving there.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 29, 2015, 01:16:35 PM
Does Arizona have any? I don't remember seeing any type of toll facility driving there.
Maybe some roads in Native American lands? I'm not sure.
None currently, if you ignore park fees (e.g. AZ 64 passing through Grand Canyon National Park).
Vermont, Missouri, and North Dakota are the most off the top of my head.
Mississippi doesn't have any, but I've seen plans for the proposed Airport Parkway that included a toll road. During the '80s, a candidate for governor proposed making I-20 a toll road.
I think Arkansas had a few toll ferries up until the 1970s. Here is an example of one, the Peel ferry, that operated until 1969:
https://books.google.com/books?id=be0Ye-O9ES4C&pg=PA233&lpg=PA233&dq=Arkansas+%22toll+ferry%22&source=bl&ots=dZuiRI1xUQ&sig=mwh7q2SpvO5WQwRldqgGq4tLVtE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F5duVa2TN9HmoASg5oDwBQ&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Arkansas%20%22toll%20ferry%22&f=false
I was thinking Minnesota, then they put in the new HOT lanes in the Twin Cities. Do they have any other toll facilities?
There's a private toll bridge into Canada from International Falls, but nothing else that's entirely within Minnesota.
BTW, New Mexico state law prohibits toll roads. I wonder if NM were to repeal this ban, would Paseo del Volcan be built more quickly as a toll road?