Will they ever widen the Edens Spur to six lanes? I see there are plans for a rebuild of the Spur in Move Illinois, but no plans for widening?
The Tri-State west of there is eight lanes and the Edens itself is six lanes. As a result, the Edens Spur can be a bottleneck sometimes, they ought to consider widening it.
I doubt it will anytime soon. ISTHA looks at the Edens Spur as a long connector ramp with one minor exit.
Quote from: hobsini2 on May 24, 2015, 05:13:00 PM
I doubt it will anytime soon. ISTHA looks at the Edens Spur as a long connector ramp with one minor exit.
Might as well if they're going to rebuild it. Traffic can get somewhat heavy on the spur at times.
I agree that the Edens Spur could use an extra lane, but I don't think it's going to happen. The problem is that it seems ISTHA doesn't find connections to IDOT's roads as important as they probably should. See also the 2-lane weaving ramps at the Tri-State's interchange with I-80 and the fact that they're just now putting in an interchange at I-57.
The other problem with widening the Spur is that you would then be merging six lanes into three at the eastern merge point, and six lanes into four at the western merge point. That would cause far more backups than you see currently along the Spur.
Quote from: Brandon on May 25, 2015, 07:38:10 AM
The other problem with widening the Spur is that you would then be merging six lanes into three at the eastern merge point, and six lanes into four at the western merge point. That would cause far more backups than you see currently along the Spur.
maybe if they do the ideas listed hear.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10015.msg2033992#msg2033992
Quote from: Brandon on May 25, 2015, 07:38:10 AM
The other problem with widening the Spur is that you would then be merging six lanes into three at the eastern merge point, and six lanes into four at the western merge point. That would cause far more backups than you see currently along the Spur.
They'd have to modify the merge points as well. ISTHA controls the western portion, so it wouldn't be a problem there (the Lake Cook Bridge would need reconstruction, but that will need to happen anyway as the bridge is old). The eastern portion (merging into the actual Edens) would be a problem, since IDOT controls the Edens. Engineering-wise, it's no problem, it's just a matter of getting cooperation from IDOT, which we all know is nearly impossible.
The spur really needs two ramps at the west end going to and from I-294 and two at the east end, one to Skokie Blvd. and one from south US41 and Skokie Blvd.
Quote from: I-39 on May 24, 2015, 08:54:10 PM
Traffic can get somewhat heavy on the spur at times.
Traffic gets heavy where the Spur merges with US 41. Widening the Spur won't help there.
I'd just rather continue down 294 to I-90 east to get to Downtown Chicago instead of using the Edens Spur. The toll is 40 cents cheaper (cash), the distance is the same as using the Edens Spur/Edens Expressway, and I don't have to deal with the merge point on the Spur that frequently backs up.
Quote from: peterj920 on October 26, 2015, 03:05:01 PM
I'd just rather continue down 294 to I-90 east to get to Downtown Chicago instead of using the Edens Spur. The toll is 40 cents cheaper (cash), the distance is the same as using the Edens Spur/Edens Expressway, and I don't have to deal with the merge point on the Spur that frequently backs up.
The back ups on the Kennedy IMO are much worse than those on the Spur. In my experience, unless it is due to accident, the times that the Spur is backed up are the times where the Kennedy is a parking lot.
And so this is why four more ramps need to be built on the spur. If your around HP or Glencoe, to get to the airport your options are Willow, Dundee, LakeCook, Deerfield or 22 to get to the Tollway. FIVE? miles and 15? minutes to get there minimum. If youre a truck southbound on US41 and you dont wanna face going thru Shikaakwa, itd be nice to buck up, and have that option.
Oops I shoulda posted this in the fictional RAMPs section.
Quote from: dzlsabe on October 27, 2015, 10:36:10 PM
And so this is why four more ramps need to be built on the spur. If your around HP or Glencoe, to get to the airport your options are Willow, Dundee, LakeCook, Deerfield or 22 to get to the Tollway. FIVE? miles and 15? minutes to get there minimum. If youre a truck southbound on US41 and you dont wanna face going thru Shikaakwa, itd be nice to buck up, and have that option.
Tight fit to get the ramps in on both sides. Maybe with a palatine road upgrade.
The east end is easy. The west end, the 294 to eastbound is easy. The westbound spur to 294 would be the hardest, but not impossible.
Quote from: Brandon on May 25, 2015, 07:38:10 AM
The other problem with widening the Spur is that you would then be merging six lanes into three at the eastern merge point, and six lanes into four at the western merge point. That would cause far more backups than you see currently along the Spur.
Or just make the FOUR "missing" ramps at the east and west ends? NO BRAINER.
Ok, back to the original topic.............
I just think the Tollway ought to add a third lane when the Spur is rebuilt, but that probably won't happen. It should have been done when the North Tri-State was rebuilt in 2008-2009.
Quote from: I-39 on November 06, 2015, 10:18:17 PM
Ok, back to the original topic.............
I just think the Tollway ought to add a third lane when the Spur is rebuilt, but that probably won't happen. It should have been done when the North Tri-State was rebuilt in 2008-2009.
The FOUR missing ramps are unnecessary? I agree that some widening may be necessary if the missing ramps are built.
Heres a recent Tribune article you may have missed. http://www.cmap.illinois.gov/documents/10180/359519/2015-08-26-Chicago-traffic-among-worst-Chicago-Tribune.pdf/5338ec11-819c-4dda-a25e-a24593238775
You can quote this in as many threads as you'd like (until they get deleted). It doesn't support your argument.
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 06, 2015, 10:25:07 PM
Quote from: I-39 on November 06, 2015, 10:18:17 PM
Ok, back to the original topic.............
I just think the Tollway ought to add a third lane when the Spur is rebuilt, but that probably won't happen. It should have been done when the North Tri-State was rebuilt in 2008-2009.
The FOUR missing ramps are unnecessary? http://www.cmap.illinois.gov/documents/10180/359519/2015-08-26-Chicago-traffic-among-worst-Chicago-Tribune.pdf/5338ec11-819c-4dda-a25e-a24593238775
Thanks captain obvious, for pointing me to something pretty much everyone on this thread already knew.............. :rolleyes:
Quote from: I-39 on November 06, 2015, 10:36:30 PM
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 06, 2015, 10:25:07 PM
Quote from: I-39 on November 06, 2015, 10:18:17 PM
Ok, back to the original topic.............
I just think the Tollway ought to add a third lane when the Spur is rebuilt, but that probably won't happen. It should have been done when the North Tri-State was rebuilt in 2008-2009.
The FOUR missing ramps are unnecessary? http://www.cmap.illinois.gov/documents/10180/359519/2015-08-26-Chicago-traffic-among-worst-Chicago-Tribune.pdf/5338ec11-819c-4dda-a25e-a24593238775
Thanks captain obvious, for pointing me to something pretty much everyone on this thread already knew.............. :rolleyes:
Obvious? Dont think so. Its kinda short attention-span theater around here. I gotta throw these salami slices at the wall and hope something sticks. Im not going to guess at what "pretty much everyone on this thread" knows. Maybe somebody happens along that hasent read the Tribune arcticle.
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 06, 2015, 10:49:34 PM
Quote from: I-39 on November 06, 2015, 10:36:30 PM
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 06, 2015, 10:25:07 PM
Quote from: I-39 on November 06, 2015, 10:18:17 PM
Ok, back to the original topic.............
I just think the Tollway ought to add a third lane when the Spur is rebuilt, but that probably won't happen. It should have been done when the North Tri-State was rebuilt in 2008-2009.
The FOUR missing ramps are unnecessary? http://www.cmap.illinois.gov/documents/10180/359519/2015-08-26-Chicago-traffic-among-worst-Chicago-Tribune.pdf/5338ec11-819c-4dda-a25e-a24593238775
Thanks captain obvious, for pointing me to something pretty much everyone on this thread already knew.............. :rolleyes:
Obvious? Dont think so. Its kinda short attention-span theater around here. I gotta throw these salami slices at the wall and hope something sticks.
Yes it is obvious. We are just choosing to ignore you since you're not open to critiques on your fictional highway
This thread is about Edens widening and possible ramp addition. What are your "critiques" about that?
My "critique" is essentially agreeing with I-39
I-39: "I just think the Tollway ought to add a third lane when the Spur is rebuilt, but that probably won't happen. It should have been done when the North Tri-State was rebuilt in 2008-2009"
Quote from: ET21 on November 07, 2015, 08:41:15 PM
My "critique" is essentially agreeing with I-39
I-39: "I just think the Tollway ought to add a third lane when the Spur is rebuilt, but that probably won't happen. It should have been done when the North Tri-State was rebuilt in 2008-2009"
So widening, but additional ramps at E & W ends are still not necessary? Under study? Should be moved to the fictional Edens spur thread?
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on October 27, 2015, 11:39:38 PM
Quote from: dzlsabe on October 27, 2015, 10:36:10 PM
And so this is why four more ramps need to be built on the spur. If your around HP or Glencoe, to get to the airport your options are Willow, Dundee, LakeCook, Deerfield or 22 to get to the Tollway. FIVE? miles and 15? minutes to get there minimum. If youre a truck southbound on US41 and you dont wanna face going thru Shikaakwa, itd be nice to buck up, and have that option.
Tight fit to get the ramps in on both sides. Maybe with a palatine road upgrade.
Tight fit beats no fit anyday. Wheres Palatine Road? How does a road miles away, west of Milwaukee have anything to with Edens Spur?
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 14, 2015, 02:52:17 AM
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on October 27, 2015, 11:39:38 PM
Quote from: dzlsabe on October 27, 2015, 10:36:10 PM
And so this is why four more ramps need to be built on the spur. If your around HP or Glencoe, to get to the airport your options are Willow, Dundee, LakeCook, Deerfield or 22 to get to the Tollway. FIVE? miles and 15? minutes to get there minimum. If youre a truck southbound on US41 and you dont wanna face going thru Shikaakwa, itd be nice to buck up, and have that option.
Tight fit to get the ramps in on both sides. Maybe with a palatine road upgrade.
Tight fit beats no fit anyday. Wheres Palatine Road?
You really need to get out of Chicago more. It's along the north end of Cook County, in what you might call the boonies (https://goo.gl/maps/hwG3BtTDNBw).
Quote from: Brandon on November 14, 2015, 08:38:37 AM
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 14, 2015, 02:52:17 AM
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on October 27, 2015, 11:39:38 PM
Quote from: dzlsabe on October 27, 2015, 10:36:10 PM
And so this is why four more ramps need to be built on the spur. If your around HP or Glencoe, to get to the airport your options are Willow, Dundee, LakeCook, Deerfield or 22 to get to the Tollway. FIVE? miles and 15? minutes to get there minimum. If youre a truck southbound on US41 and you dont wanna face going thru Shikaakwa, itd be nice to buck up, and have that option.
Tight fit to get the ramps in on both sides. Maybe with a palatine road upgrade.
Tight fit beats no fit anyday. Wheres Palatine Road?
You really need to get out of Chicago more. It's along the north end of Cook County, in what you might call the boonies (https://goo.gl/maps/hwG3BtTDNBw).
I know where theF Palatine Road is. How does it have anything whatsoever to do with the Edens spur, either widening or adding missing ramps? That was the point SAST.
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 14, 2015, 12:53:42 PM
Tight fit beats no fit anyday.
Sure. Reduced speeds on the ramps won't cause any problems at all, like backups on the mainline. Failure to reduce speeds on the tight ramps won't cause any problems at all either, like crashes blocking the ramp.
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 14, 2015, 12:53:42 PM
I know where theF Palatine Road is.
Then why did you f'ing ASK where it was? What it has to do with is your suggestion for southbound trucks on US-41 needing to get over to the Tri-State - an upgraded Willow/Palatine Rd.
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 14, 2015, 12:53:42 PM
Youve been driving for 22 years? Im double that genius.
As if we are supposed to know that from the person that puts his age in his profile as 9. Genius, indeed.
Youre right! Failure to reduce speed on ANY ramp may cause a crash and a back-up. So, whats your point timewaster? Im not nine, but if it bothers YOU then its doing its job.
OK, lets look at the ramps. On the west, from 294 to EB spur. NO problem.
WB spur to SB294? The toughest nut to crack. Single-lane exit onto a bridge (could launch before N294) with a 30-50 mph bend then double-laned, with a long, relatively smooth left-lane merge. Or dig a TUNNEL? We havent had one of those for a while. :confused:
On the east, EB spur with a left exit ramp maybe a 1/4 mile long, then double-laned, before a stop light at Skokie Blvd. OH, THE HUMANITY? :spin:
SB US41 exits and stops at light on Skokie Blvd, then proceeds across and merges with WB spur.
I dont see anything insurmountable. Maybe $30-50M for the whole project? Depends on how exotic things get and how much widening.
Willow Rd isnt Palatine Rd is it? Thats why I asked. And its well past the point of where the back-up on the Edens starts. Youd have to exit at Tower, then take the frontage to Willow, then go west to the Tollway? Or Palatine Rd? REALLY? :pan: Im sure the folks on Willow Rd. would just love to host more truck traffic trying to get to the Tri-state around 4 pm. Even after millions spent on an upgrade. That would cause more mayhem than anything on the spur. I thought tollways were supposed to take traffic OFF local roads? :ded: Only here in bizzaro IL. So, no that really has NOTHING to do with more spur ramps.
There is NO substitute for missing Edens Spur ramps.
https://goo.gl/maps/hht1ZkS6P3K2
East of IL-21/Milwaukee Ave, it's Willow Rd. West of there, it's Palatine Rd.
Quote from: Stratuscaster on November 15, 2015, 01:40:51 PM
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 14, 2015, 12:53:42 PM
Tight fit beats no fit anyday.
Sure. Reduced speeds on the ramps won't cause any problems at all, like backups on the mainline. Failure to reduce speeds on the tight ramps won't cause any problems at all either, like crashes blocking the ramp.
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 14, 2015, 12:53:42 PM
I know where theF Palatine Road is.
Then why did you f'ing ASK where it was? What it has to do with is your suggestion for southbound trucks on US-41 needing to get over to the Tri-State - an upgraded Willow/Palatine Rd.
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 14, 2015, 12:53:42 PM
Youve been driving for 22 years? Im double that genius.
As if we are supposed to know that from the person that puts his age in his profile as 9. Genius, indeed.
Ethanman again? This has his MO. However unlikely, but lightning does strike twice in the same place.
Quote from: Stratuscaster on November 15, 2015, 10:44:31 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/hht1ZkS6P3K2
East of IL-21/Milwaukee Ave, it's Willow Rd. West of there, it's Palatine Rd.
So neither one has jack to do with the Edens Spur spambot MB? :no:
And a new snarkmaster. Welcome. Lighting strikes? Some people could use that. And better reading comprehension. The predictable knee-jerk one-liners?? Is it SAST? :nod:
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 15, 2015, 11:55:49 PM
And a new snarkmaster. Welcome. Lighting strikes? Some people could use that. And better reading comprehension. The predictable knee-jerk one-liners?? Is it SAST?
Wow. You're a friggin' Einstein over there.
Thanx for checkin" in Geek? :wave:
Just trying to point out the absurdity of what could be the only perfectly good, five-mile east-west tollway in the country (world?) where the only "option" is the EB going south or the WB going north. What goes on at the Taj in Downers Grove? Would this situation be allowed to exist in Dupage? But thats the way we do things around here. Half-assed or backwards or both. And it shows.
Release the spam, bots. :clap:
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 15, 2015, 11:55:49 PM
Quote from: Stratuscaster on November 15, 2015, 10:44:31 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/hht1ZkS6P3K2
East of IL-21/Milwaukee Ave, it's Willow Rd. West of there, it's Palatine Rd.
So neither one has jack to do with the Edens Spur spambot?
And a new snarkmaster. Welcome. Lighting strikes? Some people could use that. And better reading comprehension. The predictable knee-jerk one-liners?? Is it SAST?
I was just trying to be funny. Please! We do not need another snarkmaster. We finally got the bipolar troll calmed down as he has not been obnoxious lately and then agentsteel has been involved in his new life, he does not spend it hear anymore.
Anyway, it just brings back memories of ethan as we now have a 9 year old on hear doing what ethanman did (well somewhat anyway) back in the day. And of course ethanman was a minor too. I just thought it was interesting that two completely different users from two different eras here on the forum could be almost the same.
Two plus weeks and eight lame spamposts later, hopefully now the reminiscing and humor is over and its back to short attention-span theatre.
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 16, 2015, 08:12:31 PM
Two plus weeks and eight lame spamposts later, hopefully now the reminiscing and humor is over and its back to short attention-span theatre.
You mean like 20 posts about hypotenuses?
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 16, 2015, 11:23:38 AM
Thanx Geek?
Just trying to point out the absurdity of what could be the only perfectly good, five-mile east-west tollway in the country (world?) where the only "option" is the EB going south or the WB going north. What goes on at the Taj in Downers Grove? But thats the way we do things around here. Half-assed or backwards or both. And it shows.
Bring the spam, bots. :clap:
It was built a log time ago when they wanted to not have ramp tolls all over the place. Also there was a plan from the past to extend it along lake-cook road area.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10015.0
in my plan I have ideas + a better link to Palatine Road
Just dont see how Palatine Rd has anything to do with three easy ramps and one difficult one on Edens Spur. Apples/oranges.
It was built a long time ago is no excuse, there would be no ramp tolls, this would certainly upgrade the tollway and take traffic off of Willow, Dundee, Lake Cook, Deerfield and IL22. If this was in Dupage, it would have been done long ago.
There was no mention of Hypotenuse on this thread until reply #what? 37
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 17, 2015, 10:47:45 AM
Just dont see how Palatine Rd has anything to do with three easy ramps and one difficult one on Edens Spur.
It doesn't.
It has everything to do with offering an alternative to the Edens Spur for truck traffic on US-41 needing to get over to the Tri-State. You brought it up in reply #11. Joe responded with the Palatine Road idea in reply #13.
If you wish to be taken seriously, I would suggest you stop with the juvenile name calling.
I dont follow the logic? Willow Rd (which would have to exit at Tower, then a frontage road to Willow, REALLY?) (or nowhere close Palatine Rd :hmmm: "in my plan I have ideas") is supposed to somehow offer an alternative for truck/ all traffic that should be on the Edens Spur? Then headed SOUTH or to Ohare on I-29freakin4. But cant because it was written in stone somewhere that these ramps (initially proposed #7, 24 Oct, since then met with SAST :ded: and MB) must never be built. And here I always thought tollways were designed to take traffic OFF local roads!?
There is no substitute for Edens spur ramps.
Why would I wish to be taken seriously, professor? This is bizarro world.
Ask Joe about HIS logic - it was HIS suggestion.
Please define what "SAST" and "MB" refer to for the viewers at home.
It you don't wish to be taken seriously, so be it.
The Palatine Rd road part is to be upgraded to IL-53 and it makes a full interchange on the spur work. Needs a toll bypass or get rid of ramps tolls at Palatine Rd with a main line at the end of I-294.
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on November 17, 2015, 09:26:43 AM
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 16, 2015, 11:23:38 AM
Thanx Geek?
Just trying to point out the absurdity of what could be the only perfectly good, five-mile east-west tollway in the country (world?) where the only "option" is the EB going south or the WB going north. What goes on at the Taj in Downers Grove? But thats the way we do things around here. Half-assed or backwards or both. And it shows.
Bring the spam, bots. :clap:
It was built a log time ago when they wanted to not have ramp tolls all over the place. Also there was a plan from the past to extend it along lake-cook road area.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10015.0
in my plan I have ideas + a better link to Palatine Road
Checked the locations again today. Theres NO substitute for two easy ramps on the east at Skokie Blvd, an easy one on the west, and one hard one WB spur to S294. $50M probably more. But it needs to be done and should be a priority.
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 20, 2015, 02:45:07 AM
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on November 17, 2015, 09:26:43 AM
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 16, 2015, 11:23:38 AM
Thanx Geek?
Just trying to point out the absurdity of what could be the only perfectly good, five-mile east-west tollway in the country (world?) where the only "option" is the EB going south or the WB going north. What goes on at the Taj in Downers Grove? But thats the way we do things around here. Half-assed or backwards or both. And it shows.
Bring the spam, bots. :clap:
It was built a log time ago when they wanted to not have ramp tolls all over the place. Also there was a plan from the past to extend it along lake-cook road area.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10015.0
in my plan I have ideas + a better link to Palatine Road
$50M probably more..
I love how you pull these numbers out of thin air. Do you use a dart board with certain number amounts in millions for fictional projects?
And I love how you reply to minutiae in your snarky, ever thought-provoking way. :sleep: The price of a fictional project really isnt the issue at this time. Its considering the worthiness to even get it off a fictional list. And give a reason to widen the spur. Instead of cart/horse. :-(
At the CMAP meeting the other day, the ONLY thing being discussed was the uncertainty of funding for ANY projects. For an area as critical as Chicagoland, with a GDP of some $550B, even at a pathetic 1% infrastructure spending ($5.5B), just getting it to 2% would be a major accomplishment.
Please get this back on topic, which is whether or not the Edens Spur should be widened to six lanes. Other stuff should go in a seperate forum
Well, it's hard to fit in. Here's a little panorama from Google Earth.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Edens+Expy,+Illinois/@42.1510592,-87.8496676,5572m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x880fcf5735d73ee1:0x8e87e2697cc009
That's the whole Edens Spur. Between IL 43 and US 41 is an easy part to widen. There's some space there. The IL 43 interchange would have to have some new ramps built.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Edens+Expy,+Illinois/@42.1449621,-87.8312555,246m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x880fcf5735d73ee1:0x8e87e2697cc009
So that's the close up of the IL 43 interchange. East of it is easy (you can see the tree barrier), but you do have to destroy said tree barrier for more lanes and shoulders.
West of it is also easy. There's still room for lanes and shoulders.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Edens+Expy,+Illinois/@42.151931,-87.8610027,3255m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x880fcf5735d73ee1:0x8e87e2697cc009
As you can see, there's also a tree barrier (the green lines running along I-94).
"Other stuff"?
You really want me to start a "fictional" Edens ramp thread? Ramps justify the widening, which justifies the ramps. Please reread #29.
Quote from: Stratuscaster on November 18, 2015, 04:18:22 PM
Ask Joe about HIS logic - it was HIS suggestion.
Please define what "SAST" and "MB" refer to for the viewers at home.
It you don't wish to be taken seriously, so be it.
Read #36, days ago. "It" you don't wish to be taken seriously"? wtf? Got a cold?
East and west-end spur ramps justify any widening. And vice-versa. Taking some traffic off of SB Edens, Willow, Dundee, LakeCook, Deerfield, and IL22 especially during peak hours, as well as a fifteen minute quicker trip to/fro Ohare would be a welcome addition to the area. May even affect Kenedens junction.
NO way would this situation exist in ISHTAs fiefdom, Dupageco.
Quote from: GeekJedi on November 21, 2015, 12:49:40 PM
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 21, 2015, 01:17:13 AM
Read #36, days ago. "It" you don't wish to be taken seriously"? wtf? Got a cold?
dzlsabe's rule of etiquette: If you can't say something smart, say something rude.
I think you're in the running for "Troll of the year" and you've only been here a few weeks. Congrats.
"Troll"? Or more GeekJ SAST? Dont you have some WI sign rearranging topics that need your "contribution"?
Posts #s 29, 34, 41, and 50 are all reasonable, legitimate questions to ask. Reply if you want or dare, or dont. Its easier sometimes to just accuse someone of "trolling" because its too difficult to read and think about a different viewpoint or concept than yours. Pretty much everything in between for weeks now, has been time-wasting, inane blather not instigated by me, but certainly responded to. And no doubt, your feud with me turns off potential readers and their (hopefully insightful) replies.
Quote from: GeekJedi on November 21, 2015, 01:29:58 PM
No it doesn't. Unlike you, many of us have been contributing here for years, treating others respectfully. You haven't. I have no doubt that this doesn't concern any "potential" readers any more than your trolling.
This is not what a "forum" is supposed to be like. You can pull your "many of us" (and thats what? six) vs. you (me) BS card, but bottom-line, you wont answer legitimate questions posed in #29, 34, 41 or 50 and try to get things (back) on topic. Oh, the concurrency.
Quote from: GeekJedi on November 21, 2015, 01:46:55 PM
Guess what - you don't get to decide what the forum is supposed to be like. You're a guest, like everyone else. You don't decide the terms. If you don't like it, leave.
What are you "Lord of the Flies"?
This is supposed to be about Edens Spur widening and I suggested some pretty obvious missing ramps in ILLINOIS and this bloke from Wherethefami, WI wants to stifle any discussion of that. And throw me off of Moribund Island?
Quote from: GeekJedi on November 21, 2015, 01:51:56 PM
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 21, 2015, 01:50:41 PM
What are you "Lord of the Flies"?
I rest my case.
Good. Now we can go back to #6 back in MAY and try again. Just look out for #7 in OCT again.
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 21, 2015, 02:05:30 PM
Quote from: GeekJedi on November 21, 2015, 01:51:56 PM
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 21, 2015, 01:50:41 PM
What are you "Lord of the Flies"?
I rest my case.
Good. Now we can go back to #6 back in MAY.
dzlsabe, would you just shut up? You are not contributing anything here, all you are doing is picking fights with ridiculous proposals, and taking discussions way off topic. Be nice, or get off this forum.
Quote from: I-39 on November 21, 2015, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 21, 2015, 02:05:30 PM
Quote from: GeekJedi on November 21, 2015, 01:51:56 PM
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 21, 2015, 01:50:41 PM
What are you "Lord of the Flies"?
I rest my case.
Good. Now we can go back to #6 back in MAY.
dzlsabe, would you just shut up? You are not contributing anything here, all you are doing is picking fights with ridiculous proposals, and taking discussions way off topic. Be nice, or get off this forum.
Missing ramps on Edens spur are NOT "ridiculous proposals, taking discussions WAY off topic". And no, I wont "shut up" or get off this forum. Im not trying to "pick any fights". If Waukegan Rd. (IL43) is worthy of enters and exits, certainly Skokie Blvd and SB US41 are and ramps to/from 294 as well..
Alright, back on topic. On Google Earth, it looks like I-94 has room to realign ramps and widen along the whole Edens Spur. There's the tree barrier I mentioned. Why not use that?
Yeah? Gheez only took bringing up SIX month old posts. "Modify the merge points"? Ya think? Does that include four obviously missing ramps? LakeCook bridge is a whole 'nother project. "Engineering-wise, its no problem". No, its a big, expensive problem. Especially when they pull that "baroque" card. Maps of concepts are/were in hands of CMAP/IDOT and ISTHA years ago. And please GJ, dont try to think about what Im talking about. Good to see ya string a few sentences together though.
Quote from: GeekJedi on November 21, 2015, 02:50:51 PM
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 21, 2015, 02:48:38 PM
And please GJ, dont try to think about what Im talking about.
No worries. I couldn't dumb it down that far if I tried.
Still sensing snark. So the four no-brainer missing ramps havent penetrated yet? And why does someone from Wherethefami,WI care about Edens Spur anyway? Would I go fing up WI-related threads? NO. Why would I? Why would anybody?
Look at GJs WI topics...just inane blather about rearranging the signs and how much everyone is speeding and, boohoo, getting tickets...the roads are built! Very few speeding tickets on interstates around here.
Quote from: noelbotevera on November 21, 2015, 02:31:48 PM
Alright, back on topic. On Google Earth, it looks like I-94 has room to realign ramps and widen along the whole Edens Spur. There's the tree barrier I mentioned. Why not use that?
Yes there is a "tree barrier". Why not use that? You should. Then thered just be that "forest" barrier.
Why did you leave GJ? Was it the traffic? Do you make it to the east end of the Spur often? Do you own a hat? Do you own a shovel? Do you work for inanity division at faux news? Youre a way bigger curmudgeon than me and I got ya by fifteen years.
I travel to WI rarely...but Id go more if there was a train that went to Madison or Eau Claire or MSP from Ohare.
Looked at the WI topics...nothing but inane blather about rearranging the roads signs and speeding tickets...the roads are already, probably over-built. Good job. Im sure they cant wait for your next golden "contribution".
Next, maybe you could bring some of those golden insights to your idiot struggling former neighbors to the south in a city/region that has more population than your entire current state.
Started an almost identical topic. Please go over and fthatoneuptoo, Geek. Even JoeD made a new map today.
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 20, 2015, 01:43:22 PM
And I love how you reply to minutiae in your snarky, ever thought-provoking way. :sleep: The price of a fictional project really isnt the issue at this time. Its considering the worthiness to even get it off a fictional list. And give a reason to widen the spur. Instead of cart/horse. :-(
The price is not an issue????? In a state that's broke??? Lovely :pan: :pan: :pan:
Quote from: ET21 on November 21, 2015, 09:50:31 PM
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 20, 2015, 01:43:22 PM
And I love how you reply to minutiae in your snarky, ever thought-provoking way. :sleep: The price of a fictional project really isnt the issue at this time. Its considering the worthiness to even get it off a fictional list. And give a reason to widen the spur. Instead of cart/horse. Late, half ass-backwards as usual. :-(
The price is not an issue????? In a state that's broke??? Lovely :pan: :pan: :pan:
Where did you read or hear that ISTHA or IDOT D1 is broke?
So move to under-populated WI. The roads are new, they argue about how to rearrange signs and the darn speeding tickets they get now suck, I hear. SW is a freakin' genius! Ive been there hundreds of times. Its like going from East Berlin thru East Germany and finally arriving at wonderful Wherethefami, WI. Who wouldnt want that?
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 21, 2015, 11:07:11 PM
Quote from: ET21 on November 21, 2015, 09:50:31 PM
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 20, 2015, 01:43:22 PM
And I love how you reply to minutiae in your snarky, ever thought-provoking way. :sleep: The price of a fictional project really isnt the issue at this time. Its considering the worthiness to even get it off a fictional list. And give a reason to widen the spur. Instead of cart/horse. Late, half ass-backwards as usual. :-(
The price is not an issue????? In a state that's broke??? Lovely :pan: :pan: :pan:
Where did you read or hear that IDOT D1 is broke?
Um, let's see here, the state is broke, therefore, even the Schaumburg District is broke.
Anyway, I agree with Greek Jedi. That's why I don't answer most of your crap posts anymore.
Once again, taken out of context and modified. I said ISTHA and D1. And brando, Im in tears. You Fup every topic you touch. If its not got something to do with Joliet (new hipster mecca?) or Willco, you dont like it. Im starting a new topic just for you.
Quote from: Brandon on November 21, 2015, 11:57:55 PM
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 21, 2015, 11:07:11 PM
Quote from: ET21 on November 21, 2015, 09:50:31 PM
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 20, 2015, 01:43:22 PM
And I love how you reply to minutiae in your snarky, ever thought-provoking way. :sleep: The price of a fictional project really isnt the issue at this time. Its considering the worthiness to even get it off a fictional list. And give a reason to widen the spur. Instead of cart/horse. Late, half ass-backwards as usual. :-(
The price is not an issue????? In a state that's broke??? Lovely :pan: :pan: :pan:
Where did you read or hear that IDOT D1 is broke?
Um, let's see here, the state is broke, therefore, even the Schaumburg District is broke.
Anyway, I agree with Greek Jedi. That's why I don't answer most of your crap posts anymore.
Its "GEEK" not Greek, SAST.
I said ISTHA and IDOT D1...not so cleverly edited there faux news trainee. ISTHA is not broke. Theyve been setting records. D1 is underfunded, not broke...theres a difference.
Im working to get the fundsuckers in Willco out of D1, into D3, where theyll have a new sugar daddy to squeeze.
Why do you keep calling the people you disagree with Faux news followers or trainees? Are you related to President Obama?
Quote from: ET21 on November 21, 2015, 09:50:31 PM
The price is not an issue????? In a state that's broke??? Lovely :pan: :pan: :pan:
I suppose if the ISTHA foots the bill (which they should), IL being broke isn't a factor, though money isn't the only factor involved.
Quote from: roadman65 on November 22, 2015, 03:24:29 PM
Why do you keep calling the people you disagree with Faux news followers or trainees? Are you related to President Obama?
Do what I did - throw him in your "ignore" list. Makes reading a lot more pleasant. Now, all I see is this in place of his posts:
"You are ignoring this user."
I'm guessing that based on the number of times he's been back to edit his posts, he's throwing a bit of a tantrum because he's not being taken seriously anymore. Don't really know, absolutely don't care. The best part is that based on the way he's been stalking me he'll probably reply to this post, and I won't see it! :-D
The easy way to do this is to just call an admin and someone can try to sort out this thread. I'm tired of this thread getting derailed and I have to clean up the mess, only just for it to get derailed again.
I did last night. Hopefully they respond.
Quote from: roadman65 on November 22, 2015, 03:24:29 PM
Why do you keep calling the people you disagree with Faux news followers or trainees? Are you related to President Obama?
When someone edits, omits and twists your replies to make their point, I call that faux. Never said "Faux" news followers. Though Im sure the spambot express can make it seem that way.
No, to my knowledge Im not related to the POTUS. Why would that matter?
Would welcome VP Amtrak Joe Biden to Chicago for a few days though.
Quote from: GeekJedi on November 22, 2015, 03:36:32 PM
I did last night. Hopefully they respond.
Same here this morning.
Quote from: GeekJedi on November 22, 2015, 03:24:58 PM
Quote from: ET21 on November 21, 2015, 09:50:31 PM
The price is not an issue????? In a state that's broke??? Lovely :pan: :pan: :pan:
I suppose if the ISTHA foots the bill (which they should), IL being broke isn't a factor, though money isn't the only factor involved.
What?....are the other factors?
This thread is a disaster.
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Quote from: Scott5114 on November 23, 2015, 03:13:56 AM
This thread is a disaster.
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No doubt. Suggest looking at the "missing ramps" topic. Cmon people..its (fourty days from) 2016.
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 23, 2015, 11:49:22 PM
Cmon people..its 2016.
This sort of attitude is
why it's a disaster.
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 24, 2015, 03:09:37 AM
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 23, 2015, 11:49:22 PM
Cmon people..its 2016.
This sort of attitude is why it's a disaster.
Its a perfectly good east-west road that you can only go, from the Edens WB only north or from the EB spur only south.
Find another road in the country (world) that does that? I know someone will find one somehow.
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 24, 2015, 03:41:08 AMIts a perfectly good east-west road that you can only go WB north or SB east. Find another road in the country (world) that does that?
M26 in England (as one of a couple of examples off the top of my head).
Cmon dzlsabe..its 2015 - we must have brought in viatology lessons in school by now. ;)
If its a perfectly good east-west road, why is he complaining about it needing "extra ramps" then? As far as it being 2015, maybe its a typo. Then again he puts down his age as 9, so maybe he is not good with numbers either.
Quote from: english si on November 24, 2015, 06:36:10 AM
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 24, 2015, 03:41:08 AMIts a perfectly good east-west road that you can only go WB north or SB east. Find another road in the country (world) that does that?
M26 in England (as one of a couple of examples off the top of my head).
Cmon dzlsabe..its 2015 - we must have brought in viatology lessons in school by now. ;)
So somebody from UK found one, in UK! Whats the MO on that? If anymore show up (in US) from under the top of your head, do give a shout.
By the time anything relevant shows up here, I expect it will be 2016. Its what, 37 days away? Oh, the inanity.
Quote from: roadman65 on November 24, 2015, 08:01:39 AM
If its a perfectly good east-west road, why is he complaining about it needing "extra ramps" then? As far as it being 2015, maybe its a typo. Then again he puts down his age as 9, so maybe he is not good with numbers either.
Its called "sarcasm". I dont "complain". I suggest alternatives. Theres a difference. Bitches bitch. Men (and women) resolve problems.
Im not nine, but if it bugs you, its doing its job. Dont believe everything you read on the internet.
Is it Disneyland or world down there?
Quote from: roadman65 on November 24, 2015, 08:01:39 AM
If its a perfectly good east-west road, why is he complaining about it needing "extra ramps" then? As far as it being 2015, maybe its a typo. Then again he puts down his age as 9, so maybe he is not good with numbers either.
The Spur really doesn't need the extra ramps. What might do a lot more to fix some of these problems is a set of ramps from the inbound Kennedy to the outbound Edens, and from the inbound Edens to the outbound Kennedy.
If you lived around Highland Park and were going back and forth to the airport for the past FIFTY years, you might think differently. If you were driving a truck on SB Edens and knew traffic was coming to a halt in a mile, you might think differently.
Not that your ramp suggestion has anything whatsoever to do with the Edens Spur, but how would the Kenedens ramps you mention ever be configured?
Quote from: dzlsabe on November 24, 2015, 10:21:34 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 24, 2015, 08:01:39 AM
If its a perfectly good east-west road, why is he complaining about it needing "extra ramps" then? As far as it being 2015, maybe its a typo. Then again he puts down his age as 9, so maybe he is not good with numbers either.
Its called "sarcasm". I dont "complain". I suggest alternatives. Theres a difference. Bitches bitch. Men (and women) resolve problems.
Im not nine, but if it bugs you, its doing its job. Dont believe everything you read on the internet.
Is it Disneyland or world down there?
I do not believe anything I read on the internet which is why I find your post about the perfectly good road so unbelievable. Now this is going to be my last time arguing with you as I am stooping down to your level even posting this.
Wresting with a troll is like wrestling with a pig. You both end up in the mud.
Just remember you rant enough times on here, you will make lots of waves on here as there are a lot of people on here who will not tolerate your nonsense at all if they have not already!
It is a perfectly good road. And there are only two ways to go instead of four. I find it unbelievable, too. You think I make that up? Look at the map/satellite. Nobody can or will deny it. Doesnt make sense for some of the wealthiest burbs in IL. If this was in ISTHAs beloved Dupageco, no way would this happen. Its been this way since the day it was built, what near sixty years ago?
Roadgeeks that youd think like every road theyve ever seen, except this one. And the Hypo one. Just dont get it?
Topic being locked until we can sort this out