I've seen mostly green, blue, brown, neon orange (on 476 leading up to this exit) guide signs - and now purple - definitely interesting looking.
PA Turnpike may have these installed around other EZ-Pass only exits, but I hadn't seen them myself or pics posted on here.
I wonder if other states/highway authorities have done something similar - made a guide sign an unprecedented color to match the color of the program - in this case "EZ-Pass's purple scheme"... unless purple was seen as attention-getting as well?
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https://www.aaroads.com/texas/westpark.html
Purple is the new standard color for electronic toll road signage. It's usage is written in the MUTCD I believe.
^ I don't recall the MUTCD allowing purple for the whole guidesign though - think it's only in the area specifying the transponder accepted. That said, I certainly like the look of the signs pictured, and would love to see the Illinois Tollway try a few out.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 12, 2015, 06:37:51 PM
Purple is the new standard color for electronic toll road signage. It's usage is written in the MUTCD I believe.
Yes, but I don't think the MUTCD calls for the entire sign being purple, just the part relating to ETC. Look at what Maryland has done for the I-95 ETLs and ICC.
http://www.mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009r1r2/part2/part2f.htm (http://www.mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009r1r2/part2/part2f.htm)'
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Quote from: MASTERNC on July 12, 2015, 09:03:37 PM
Yes, but I don't think the MUTCD calls for the entire sign being purple, just the part relating to ETC. Look at what Maryland has done for the I-95 ETLs and ICC.
Correct. Here's what the ones on the I-95 Express Lanes look like:
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And for the ICC coming from Columbia Pike / US 29:
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The signs themselves should still be green, with only the ETC information in a purple background.
(Next time, I'll look at the MUTCD rather than guessing) :banghead:
PTC has similar all-purple signage at the PA 29 entrance ramp to the East-West Turnpike (I-76); example still covered (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.070724,-75.536108,3a,75y,226.23h,81.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sim6wm-r1xx8qqZ5GBTCNvw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1). Unfortunately, the GSVs in this area predates the opening of this interchange.
However, the rest of the signage at this interchange are not the all-purple type.
Quote from: Zeffy on July 12, 2015, 09:08:22 PM
The signs themselves should still be green, with only the ETC information in a purple background.
Unlike the BGS panels for Md. 200 (no penalty, only a higher toll if E-ZPass is not used), the Pennsylvania Turnpike is
mandating that traffic entering its network use E-ZPass to enter or exit at this interchange (and some other E-ZPass ramps), and a hefty penalty of $60 is charged per violation.
This would be a much better choice than New Hampshire's use of a poorly-explained "Exit use restricted" or some such thing in a white-on-red banner beneath its signs. The restriction is that only tagholders may use the exit during the specified hours, but that is far from evident, and the use of the necessarily-prohibitive red implies a more severe restriction.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 13, 2015, 06:26:09 PM
This would be a much better choice than New Hampshire's use of a poorly-explained "Exit use restricted" or some such thing in a white-on-red banner beneath its signs. The restriction is that only tagholders may use the exit during the specified hours, but that is far from evident, and the use of the necessarily-prohibitive red implies a more severe restriction.
I agree. "E-Z Pass Only 9 PM to 5 AM" in white on purple would be far better for these tabs.
Quote from: PHLBOS on July 13, 2015, 10:12:39 AM
PTC has similar all-purple signage at the PA 29 entrance ramp to the East-West Turnpike (I-76); example still covered (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.070724,-75.536108,3a,75y,226.23h,81.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sim6wm-r1xx8qqZ5GBTCNvw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1). Unfortunately, the GSVs in this area predates the opening of this interchange.
However, the rest of the signage at this interchange are not the all-purple type.
The Street Road E-ZPass Interchange on I-276 has the same white on purple signage leading to the Turnpike, but normal white on green leading off the Turnpike.
Quote from: roadman on July 13, 2015, 06:46:35 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 13, 2015, 06:26:09 PM
This would be a much better choice than New Hampshire's use of a poorly-explained "Exit use restricted" or some such thing in a white-on-red banner beneath its signs. The restriction is that only tagholders may use the exit during the specified hours, but that is far from evident, and the use of the necessarily-prohibitive red implies a more severe restriction.
I agree. "E-Z Pass Only 9 PM to 5 AM" in white on purple would be far better for these tabs.
I feel like the PANYNJ does a god job with this at the GWB's Palisades approach: gsv (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.866402,-73.954598,3a,75y,199.17h,85.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sM-cOj9rcI71MCjDv1ZEfpw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
There's this (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.988876,-77.453999,3a,15y,343.96h,87.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIaYK9Zyh6-PzyCwvE3juLA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1) (GSV) on Va. 606 (Old Ox Road) at the entrance to Va. 267 (Dulles Greenway) in Loudoun County, Virginia.
Those are some interesting signs!
Section 2F.03 Use of Purple Backgrounds and Underlay Panels with ETC Account Pictographs
"Purple shall not be used as a background color to display a destination, action message, or other legend that is not a display of the requirement for all vehicles to have a registered ETC account, lest you look like https://goo.gl/maps/uGveU."
Okay, I made that last part up, but I think the Clearview gives them a little class :)
Once the PA Turnpike goes to all-electronic tolling, won't the need to call special attention to the E-ZPass-only slip ramps be a non-issue anyway? At that point, all transactions will be either E-ZPass or toll-by-plate, and the PTC would need to have cameras at the current E-ZPass-only ramps to catch violators and dead transponders. I don't see any reason everyone couldn't use the ramp after cash handling is taken out of the equation.
Quote from: briantroutman on July 15, 2015, 01:52:27 PM
Once the PA Turnpike goes to all-electronic tolling, won't the need to call special attention to the E-ZPass-only slip ramps be a non-issue anyway? At that point, all transactions will be either E-ZPass or toll-by-plate, and the PTC would need to have cameras at the current E-ZPass-only ramps to catch violators and dead transponders. I don't see any reason everyone couldn't use the ramp after cash handling is taken out of the equation.
Since they will presumably have to allow vehicles without transponders to use the Turnpike, will they need to change the signs to green with some sort of notification that no cash is accepted?
Quote from: cpzilliacus on July 15, 2015, 04:07:33 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on July 15, 2015, 01:52:27 PM
Once the PA Turnpike goes to all-electronic tolling, won't the need to call special attention to the E-ZPass-only slip ramps be a non-issue anyway? At that point, all transactions will be either E-ZPass or toll-by-plate, and the PTC would need to have cameras at the current E-ZPass-only ramps to catch violators and dead transponders. I don't see any reason everyone couldn't use the ramp after cash handling is taken out of the equation.
Since they will presumably have to allow vehicles without transponders to use the Turnpike, will they need to change the signs to green with some sort of notification that no cash is accepted?
It should be noted that the
entire PA Turnpike converting to AET is still a few years away.
Quote from: Sam on July 15, 2015, 12:48:57 PM
Section 2F.03 Use of Purple Backgrounds and Underlay Panels with ETC Account Pictographs
"Purple shall not be used as a background color to display a destination, action message, or other legend that is not a display of the requirement for all vehicles to have a registered ETC account, lest you look like https://goo.gl/maps/uGveU."
Okay, I made that last part up, but I think the Clearview gives them a little class :)
I still like the look of the all-purple signs. It gets the point across.
I think there were also some overhead purple signs as you approach Walt Disney World in FL, specifically on World Dr. Of course this is private property, so they're not bound by the MUTCD.
Quote from: Alps on July 15, 2015, 07:13:47 PM
Quote from: Sam on July 15, 2015, 12:48:57 PM
Section 2F.03 Use of Purple Backgrounds and Underlay Panels with ETC Account Pictographs
"Purple shall not be used as a background color to display a destination, action message, or other legend that is not a display of the requirement for all vehicles to have a registered ETC account, lest you look like https://goo.gl/maps/uGveU."
Okay, I made that last part up, but I think the Clearview gives them a little class :)
I still like the look of the all-purple signs. It gets the point across.
Same here. They look unique in their own way. I think it's actually clearer to motorists, if they learn that purple means toll, rather than green with a small "toll" text on it.
Quote from: SignGeek101 on July 15, 2015, 10:18:56 PM
Quote from: Alps on July 15, 2015, 07:13:47 PM
Quote from: Sam on July 15, 2015, 12:48:57 PM
Section 2F.03 Use of Purple Backgrounds and Underlay Panels with ETC Account Pictographs
"Purple shall not be used as a background color to display a destination, action message, or other legend that is not a display of the requirement for all vehicles to have a registered ETC account, lest you look like https://goo.gl/maps/uGveU."
Okay, I made that last part up, but I think the Clearview gives them a little class :)
I still like the look of the all-purple signs. It gets the point across.
Same here. They look unique in their own way. I think it's actually clearer to motorists, if they learn that purple means toll, rather than green with a small "toll" text on it.
And don't get me started on the MUTCD HOV signs that are all green with a tiny diamond, instead of the black on white that CT used to differentiate.
Massachusetts recently did some switch over to the green HOV sign. It muddies things to have multiple standardsfor a single HOV facility, particularly when one is that indistinct green design.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 16, 2015, 07:42:56 AM
Massachusetts recently did some switch over to the green HOV sign. It muddies things to have multiple standardsfor a single HOV facility, particularly when one is that indistinct green design.
New signs for the contraflow HOV lane on I-93 (Southeast Expressway) between Braintree and Savin Hill are white on green with the small HOV diamond, per 2009 MUTCD requirements. However, the new NB advance sign on I-93 for the South Station/Logan Airport HOV lane is black on white, to match the existing signs within the facility.
New signs for the southbound HOV lane on I-93 between Somerville and the Zakim Bridge were designed while the 2003 MUTCD was still in effect, so they are black on white as well.
Personally, I prefer all black on white for HOV lane signing (like CT does on I-84 east of Hartford), even if the signs provide exit information. Reminds other drivers that the lanes are a restricted facility.
Had to re-upload this because of some errors, but here's another way of using color coding without making the whole sign background purple or white or whatnot:
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Looks cluttered to me.
Quote from: Rothman on July 16, 2015, 05:09:32 PM
Looks cluttered to me.
Agreed, if you're trying to go 50 mph, you'd need to be either very good at reading quickly or have a passenger who can guide you. It's also very noisy if you ask me.
I agree too. It feeds the information it is supposed to but it is hard to read in a short amount of time.
Quote from: Rothman on July 16, 2015, 05:09:32 PM
Looks cluttered to me.
Quote from: Roadgeek Adam on July 16, 2015, 05:11:25 PM
Agreed, if you're trying to go 50 mph, you'd need to be either very good at reading quickly or have a passenger who can guide you. It's also very noisy if you ask me.
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on July 16, 2015, 05:30:43 PM
I agree too. It feeds the information it is supposed to but it is hard to read in a short amount of time.
I tried not to include anything that wouldn't normally be on an overhead sign. Is it the colors making things confusing? The "boxes" if you will? I suppose on the HOV sign, you could just make the whole sign black-on-white, but the right sign is hard to do without using boxes (the arrows get in the way).
Here's an alternative. I just changed the colors and moved text around:
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It still feels like it's too much to digest on one gantry. You almost need to have multiple gantries to get that together easier.
The differing lengths of arrows annoy me.
Starting to get off topic, but I used more traditional arrows in this version. I also swapped out the right sign for two signs, each with their own respective colors (green means no toll, purple means toll, white means HOV (also changed the overall design, with rounded corners and raised, slightly less wide, overhead tabs).
This version is at the split, instead of 800 meters upstream. Advance signage with this style would not include pull-throughs, since the number 5 lane is optional, and that would conflict with the sign colors.
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