Couldn't think of a better name. These are loop routes that head out from the parent route and back in a loop wider than they are tall.
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Examples:
* I-277, Charlotte
* Loop 202, Phoenix
* Hambley Blvd., Pikeville KY
I know there are some Business routes out there with this property. Tack on!
NY 85A
NY 9J
NY 9L
NY 9P
NY 9R
US 9W (:D)
I-820 in Fort Worth
I-490 NY
I-481 NY
I-890 NY
I-295 MA/RI
I-293 NH
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Truck PA 641 – notably provides an excellent view of the western portal of the Kittatinny Mountain Tunnel.
Maine has a few...
-US 1A (both the Bangor/Ellsworth and Machias ones)
-ME 186 near Winter Harbor
-ME 187 near Jonesport
-ME 102A on Mount Desert Island
-ME 230 in Trenton
-I'd go as far as to say that US 1 in the entire Downeast region of Maine is tongue-shaped
I-10, downtown New Orleans (off I-610)
Both halves of I-275, Cincinnati
I-265 eastern half, Louisville, once the new bridge is done
I-270 northern half, Columbus
US 101, Olympic Peninsula, WA
If logically continuous routes that change numbers in the middle count:
I-280+I-680, SF Bay Area
I-270+I-259, St. Louis
CT 213
CT 113
old CT 114
When you say loops out from a parent route, do you mean only things like #XX branching off from XX?
If not, I submit M-75 off of US-131.
MA 145
NH/ME 16, probably the longest tongue route
Quote from: Alps on July 23, 2015, 10:56:09 PM
Couldn't think of a better name. These are loop routes that head out from the parent route and back in a loop wider than they are tall.
Quote from: Rothman on July 23, 2015, 11:01:43 PM
NY 85A
NY 9J
NY 9L
NY 9P
NY 9R
US 9W (:D)
9R is the only one that fits. 9L & P (and 85A) are close I guess, but definitely "taller" than they are "wider". 9J & W aren't even loops. Yeah, they meet the parent on both ends so maybe technically they are, but they're really parallel routes more than they are "loops".
Most of your interstate examples fall into the same category as 9L & P.
I-526 around Charleston, SC
I don't think we're clear on the concept yet. I believe you're looking for loop routes where the distance to the point on the loop that's farthest away from the parent route is greater than the distance between the two junctions of the loop with the parent?
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Reverse tongue -- KY 1571 in Estill County. Both ends are at KY 52, but in this case KY 52 loops around and KY 1571 is the straighter route.
I-405, WA
I-205, WA/OR
I-405, OR
I assumed when Steve said "wider than tall" , he meant in relation to the parent route. So we're talking about routes where the x distance is greater than the y, right?
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Quote from: briantroutman on July 24, 2015, 02:51:48 PM
I assumed when Steve said "wider than tall" , he meant in relation to the parent route. So we're talking about routes where the x distance is greater than the y, right?
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That's what I gathered, but it makes more sense in your picture than in my words. :-)
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Quote from: empirestate on July 24, 2015, 01:36:53 PM
I don't think we're clear on the concept yet. I believe you're looking for loop routes where the distance to the point on the loop that's farthest away from the parent route is greater than the distance between the two junctions of the loop with the parent?
Yes.
Quote from: briantroutman on July 24, 2015, 02:51:48 PM
I assumed when Steve said "wider than tall" , he meant in relation to the parent route. So we're talking about routes where the x distance is greater than the y, right?
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Yes.
Quote from: TEG24601 on July 24, 2015, 02:25:54 PM
I-405, WA
I-205, WA/OR
I-405, OR
No.
AL 177 in Jackson
BUS I-15, Great Falls, MT
BUS I-35, Ames, IA (but barely noticeable)
Quote from: kurumi on July 24, 2015, 01:59:55 AM
CT 213
CT 113
old CT 114
Also CT 162, CT 142, CT 146, part of CT 154, part of CT 156, CT 215, and US 1A. Part of CT 30 from South Windsor to Rockville functions as a tongue for CT 74, although one has to use a short stretch of CT 194 to access 74.
Quote from: hbelkins on July 24, 2015, 02:07:56 PM
Reverse tongue -- KY 1571 in Estill County. Both ends are at KY 52, but in this case KY 52 loops around and KY 1571 is the straighter route.
Like US 101 and Alt US 101 near Ilwaco, WA. The Alt route is half a mile. The "main" route is 6 1/2 miles and passes through two towns.
MN-330, off U.S. 14 and through the University of Minnesota Southwest Research Station. This is just west of Lamberton, if it helps. I haven't driven it, and neither has Google Maps.
Quote from: pianocello on July 24, 2015, 05:19:07 PM
BUS I-15, Great Falls, MT
BUS I-35, Ames, IA (but barely noticeable)
BUS I-35 in Clear Lake, Iowa is much more noticeable.
Quote from: briantroutman on July 24, 2015, 02:51:48 PM
I assumed when Steve said "wider than tall" , he meant in relation to the parent route. So we're talking about routes where the x distance is greater than the y, right?
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/529/19353233734_7cf43a8409_b.jpg)
Nice diagram!
I-495 in Maryland and Virginia?
I-664 in Virginia?
Would I-676 count? It's not so much that it veers too far away from I-76 as I-76 going South then East, while I-676 going East then South, so the distance (as the crow flies) between the northeastern point on 676 and the southwestern point on 76 is 4.52 miles whereas getting from either junction to either point is between 3 and 4 miles. Also the northwestern section of the Baltimore Beltway (I-695) qualifies.
Quote from: Duke87 on July 24, 2015, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 24, 2015, 02:07:56 PM
Reverse tongue -- KY 1571 in Estill County. Both ends are at KY 52, but in this case KY 52 loops around and KY 1571 is the straighter route.
Like US 101 and Alt US 101 near Ilwaco, WA. The Alt route is half a mile. The "main" route is 6 1/2 miles and passes through two towns.
Taking this on a tangent, but it's particularly hilarious because Alt US 101 still isn't the shortest route through there. I mean, to cover that half-mile gap, yes. But if you're driving through from Astoria to Aberdeen, you save 6 miles taking SR 401 and SR 4 over 101 and its "alternate".
WIS 100 around Milwaukee
NY 3A comes close, but it's 3A that cuts the corner. Honestly, very few, if any, non-truck routes in New York make it because the suffixed system was mainly designed as alternate routes serving smaller communities.
Quote from: cl94 on August 11, 2015, 07:40:33 PM
NY 3A comes close, but it's 3A that cuts the corner. Honestly, very few, if any, non-truck routes in New York make it because the suffixed system was mainly designed as alternate routes serving smaller communities.
What about NY 28N? Would that qualify in relation to its length versus the length of NY 28 between NY 28N's endpoints?
Quote from: NYhwyfan on August 11, 2015, 08:47:17 PM
Quote from: cl94 on August 11, 2015, 07:40:33 PM
NY 3A comes close, but it's 3A that cuts the corner. Honestly, very few, if any, non-truck routes in New York make it because the suffixed system was mainly designed as alternate routes serving smaller communities.
What about NY 28N? Would that qualify in relation to its length versus the length of NY 28 between NY 28N's endpoints?
Not quite. Closer than most, but, as the crow flies, the endpoints are about 5 miles further apart than the most distant point.
LA 451 - 11 miles out from LA 114 at the furthest point, while the distance between the two junctions is about 2 miles.
LA 603 - goes 6 mi out from US 65, while US 65 is only five miles long in that same span.