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I think it is actually really good. I love how the search feature on the startmenu is like the quick search which was in Windows 8 in that pesky pullout menu. The start-menu is 1000 times better than any third party one.

It's Windows 8, but better...

Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on August 10, 2015, 10:24:25 AM
I love how the search feature on the startmenu is like the quick search which was in Windows 8 in that pesky pullout menu.

The start-menu is 1000 times better than any third party one.

Agreed on both points, but I still prefer the simplicity of Everything search (http://www.voidtools.com/)

Quote from: intelati49 on August 10, 2015, 10:47:01 AM
But I still prefer the simplicity of Everything search (http://www.voidtools.com/)

I decided to download that. It is fast! :wow: I am really surprised it is this fast. Definitely a good app.

I voted "I use a *nix box, microsoft doesn't deserve my money." because I'm primarily a Linux user. But I dual boot on both my Desktop (previously Win7) and Laptop (previously Win8.1), and I upgraded then both to Windows 10. It's a big improvement on 8.1 in every way, and I also prefer it over 7 (I was mixed between 7 and 8.1). There's nothing majorly wrong with it compared to the older versions, and it runs well and feels polished.

I haven't used it yet. Where's the option for that?

I like it, but I think they should've stuck with the large start menu screen from 8. I need to figure out how to increase the text size of the start menu as it currently is.

It's pretty good. But I miss my Mac and Mac OS X. Still feels like the same old Windows, just a little different.

Is there a "Classic Theme" option in it, so I can make it look just like my current 7, which looks just like XP masquerading as 98.

Quote from: Roadrunner75 on August 10, 2015, 08:53:37 PM
Is there a "Classic Theme" option in it, so I can make it look just like my current 7, which looks just like XP masquerading as 98.

No.

Quote from: freebrickproductions on August 10, 2015, 04:02:20 PM
I haven't used it yet. Where's the option for that?

"It" meaning Windows 10? If you've made sure to download all your Windows Updates, there should be a Windows icon in the system tray that will allow you to download the appropriate upgrade.

If you're coming from 7, it is more of the same. Coming from 8, it is a massive improvement.

I barely notice the changes. Also windows 10 has a lighter weight user interface, so it actually does run faster than 7, 8 introduced this change when it came out.

Quote from: SteveG1988 on August 11, 2015, 08:21:26 AM
If you're coming from 7, it is more of the same. Coming from 8, it is a massive improvement.

I barely notice the changes. Also windows 10 has a lighter weight user interface, so it actually does run faster than 7, 8 introduced this change when it came out.

This absolutely mirrors what one of my IT people at work said about it.

Quote from: slorydn1 on August 11, 2015, 08:22:49 AM

Quote from: SteveG1988 on August 11, 2015, 08:21:26 AM
If you're coming from 7, it is more of the same. Coming from 8, it is a massive improvement.

I barely notice the changes. Also windows 10 has a lighter weight user interface, so it actually does run faster than 7, 8 introduced this change when it came out.

This absolutely mirrors what one of my IT people at work said about it.

but in my opinion it is worth getting even if you have windows 7.

I was hesitant to upgrade at first - but I so far love it. Everything is compatible, my windows updates aren't fucked up, it looks polished, it's fast, there's a lot of reasons I could list. I will give kudos to Microsoft for making two great versions in a row (I liked 8 before 8.1 came out).

I do fully plan on doing it. I'm still waiting for my computer to download it. When I click on the 10 icon in the system tray I get:

"We're validating Windows 10 for your PC. We recommend that you upgrade after you get your notification that Windows 10 is ready for your specific PC.  While upgrades have started for most PC's, we're continuously working with our partners to ensure that even more PC's work well with Windows 10."

I'm not in a humongous rush so I'm not going to bypass the system by doing shortcuts that others have mentioned. I figure when they are ready for me to have it I'll get it. Hopefully by then there will be a list of shortcuts posted somewhere to get to the various things (like the control panel, for example) that Microsoft has deemed necessary to hide from us in 10.

I'm currently building my new computer, so I'm waiting to transfer my Windows 7 license onto it (the old box will be switched to Linux) before I upgrade, but I definitely will.

Some things are good others are not.
* Can get rid of notifications you don't need (like "this program is running" - no shit, Sherlock!)
* Start menu's better, though I don't care if I have a new program installed.  at least it doesn't fill your screen :sombrero:
* I hide that loud search box on the task bar.
* I don't use metro apps so that's still a down.
* I ignore the update bs already.
* Not as impressed with the new Edge as I would be.  Basically it's Microsoft Chrome.

Quote from: SSOWorld on August 11, 2015, 01:09:57 PM
Some things are good others are not.
* Can get rid of notifications you don't need (like "this program is running" - no shit, Sherlock!)

Settings | System | Notifications & actions

i'm the type that organizes my Start menu religiously, so the inability to do that in 10 is obnoxious.

Quote from: Dr Frankenstein on August 11, 2015, 09:38:59 AM
I'm currently building my new computer, so I'm waiting to transfer my Windows 7 license onto it (the old box will be switched to Linux) before I upgrade, but I definitely will.

Same here.  Still need to upgrade my MB soon.  And I want to do that before I even attempt to upgrade to W10.

Installed W10 on an older Thinkpad X201 (Core i5), an older Lenovo/IBM ThinkCentre desktop (Core 2 Duo) and upgraded from Win7 on an HP Slate 2 tablet PC (Atom 32-bit.)

So far, so good. The X201 froze a few times and required several reboots to get things moving. The desktop went fine and without issue. The Slate 2 required uninstallation of a few HP Security Tools before it would perform the upgrade.

Still having trouble finding some things and resorting to "searching" for them - which I find silly.

Operation wise, everything works pretty smoothly - even on the Atom-based Slate 2 with only 2GB of RAM.

I'm a Mac user, you insensitive clod!  :biggrin:

So maybe I should select the *nix option.

So far I'm liking it. Reminds me alot of the Xbox with the apps setup

Quote from: MikeTheActuary on August 11, 2015, 03:49:22 PM

Quote from: SSOWorld on August 11, 2015, 01:09:57 PM
Some things are good others are not.
* Can get rid of notifications you don't need (like "this program is running" - no shit, Sherlock!)

Settings | System | Notifications & actions

I know that - I guess my list is confusing, isn't it (Though you can't disable everything)

So far, Windows 10 has been a good system on my Dell laptop. I did have to reboot one time on this new system because my Sound Blaster USB sound card was wizzing out (a la locking up, my volume panel locked at 100%), and I can see why people are annoyed with the notifications panel. I just pretend it's nothing, even though you can't get rid of it. It sucks that you can't, but hey, I try to look at what's good and the Start menu returning to W10 was a great welcome. The Task View button is something entirely new that I'm still getting a hang of. So far, it's a good system being that my laptop was originally built for Windows 8.1, but I think the improvements in Windows 10 do help alleviate at least some of the bigger nuances in 8.1.

It's pretty good. If I were using 7, I wouldn't upgrade, but upgrading from 8 or 8.1 is a no-brainer. The interface doesn't look too shabby either.

I finished upgrading my crappy laptop from Windows 8.1 to 10 and the speed difference is pretty good. It makes the laptop almost usable.

The other thing I'd like to add on to what I've mentioned is that it's so annoying to find out that after you turn your computer on to get it off sleep mode, surprise! You got an auto update function! (heh! I solved that one by just telling it to notify me about restarts instead of it doing the auto update and restart on its own volition!)

I never thought I'd be saying this, but I miss Windows 8.1. Sometime between when I installed 10 on my Surface 3 and now the thing has become an absolute dog, taking as long as 30 seconds just to load the battery menu, as well as frequent UI freezes and blue screens. This, on top of pre-existing touchscreen and charging issues has made using my Surface a massive pain in the ass. I never did like 8's split UI, but at least it worked properly.

Thank god the metro interface is gone in lieu of it being contained within half of the Start menu. It rocks. Even though I use a Mac on a daily basis, Windows 10 would be my second choice of operating system had OS X not been introduced to my life five years ago.

Quote from: Thing 342 on February 09, 2016, 09:32:32 AM
I never thought I'd be saying this, but I miss Windows 8.1. Sometime between when I installed 10 on my Surface 3 and now the thing has become an absolute dog, taking as long as 30 seconds just to load the battery menu, as well as frequent UI freezes and blue screens. This, on top of pre-existing touchscreen and charging issues has made using my Surface a massive pain in the ass. I never did like 8's split UI, but at least it worked properly.

Odd.  My system is heckuva lot more stable with Windows 10 than it was with 8.1.

Quote from: Rothman on February 09, 2016, 10:30:56 AM

Quote from: Thing 342 on February 09, 2016, 09:32:32 AM
I never thought I'd be saying this, but I miss Windows 8.1. Sometime between when I installed 10 on my Surface 3 and now the thing has become an absolute dog, taking as long as 30 seconds just to load the battery menu, as well as frequent UI freezes and blue screens. This, on top of pre-existing touchscreen and charging issues has made using my Surface a massive pain in the ass. I never did like 8's split UI, but at least it worked properly.

Odd.  My system is heckuva lot more stable with Windows 10 than it was with 8.1.

It did seem a bit more stable for awhile, then everything went to shit. I think my problems are likely device-specific as opposed with the OS, but it's still frustrating that Microsoft hasn't bothered to optimize it for its own-made product that only came out two months before its release.

From what I've seen of it, I haven't upgraded, and I'm planning to stick with 7 until they quit putting out security updates. Then I'll be going Linux-only.

I deployed 10 not long after making reply#12 above, probably about 2 weeks after.

Windows 10 worked great on my laptop for a while, so much so that every computer in my family is now running it.

Then around late December, early January my laptop starting acting funny. First my Broadcom Wireless utility stopped working (the dreaded "not supported on this OS" message pops up on initial start). Not sure why, it worked great for months after I deployed 10. Oh, now it takes forever to just open a saved spreadsheet or document. No errors or anything like that, its just like my computer has slowed to an absolute crawl.

I really like the UI, they way I have mine set up it's not much different than 7, my wife has hers set up more like 8 and she loves it too. I'm just not sure what he heck is going on with all the stability issues I am having now with it.

My opinion is "don't really care". The only problem I have is how every time I have to restart the computer, the "tap to click" function re-enables itself and I have to turn it off again.

The "upgrade" bricked my PC last weekend and I haven't solved it yet. Extremely unhappy. I may winding up buying a new boot drive and a new copy of Windows and starting over. At least I had backed up my data!

Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on August 10, 2015, 10:24:25 AM
I think it is actually really good. I love how the search feature on the startmenu is like the quick search which was in Windows 8 in that pesky pullout menu. The start-menu is 1000 times better than any third party one.

My little brother uses Windows 10, and despite the fact that the Start Menu is amazing, him being autistic still had to change the start orb (and menu) to the Windows 7 orb. I see no point, but okay...
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But my opinion? It's okay, although I mostly use my Windows 7 computer.

I still love Windows 10 (although I am a sucker for new software and products). I used Windows 8.1, 7, Vista, and XP, and just because here is how I'd rank them personally, loved to not so loved:

7, 10, 8.1, XP, Vista

Still on the fence.  Both our desktops run WinXP, my laptop (which needs to get fixed due to a fan error) runs Win7.  Most likely I'll wait 'til the first service pack gets released, but even then both the desktops need massive upgrades anyway (and I don't want to pay for new computers just yet).

I upgraded my laptop to Windows 10 back in the fall and have been pretty happy with it, though I haven't found it really does anything that Windows 7 (which was native on my laptop) didn't do.

I did have a problem with my touchpad lagging when I first upgraded, which was pretty annoying.  A quick search of the internet revealed that my old mouse driver was likely the culprit, and once I deleted that, it's worked fine ever since.

I still run Windows 7 on my desktop computer, though I can see myself upgrading it to ten in the not too distant future.  Particularly now since I have upgraded to 16 gigs of ramp.

I have an old HP Compaq 6820s laptop, which came with Vista Business downgraded to XP Pro, and which was running 7 Pro for a long time (all 32-bit; the laptop will only hold 4GB of RAM).  I did an in-place upgrade to 10 Pro, which proceeded to tank the networking.  Because the hardware is so old (2008) it also installed Microsoft's generic display driver instead of the ATI Mobility Radeon X1350 driver.

After spending some time with Google, I found out that doing an in-place upgrade with a VPN client installed (WatchGuard, which I use for work) will usually crump the networking.  Win10 has some VPN capability of its own and apparently doesn't like other VPN clients being installed during the upgrade.

So, I backed up, wiped the HDD and did a clean install.  Muuuuuuch better.  Considering how old the hardware is and how little RAM there is, it's no speed demon, but it runs acceptably.  I managed to find a compatible VPN client from ShrewSoft that Win10 didn't object to, so that's usable now.  The Microsoft Solitaire Collection that comes with Win10 is a non-starter, however.  You really need to have up-to-date display hardware and drivers for that program to work.  Otherwise, all you get are a screen full of jagged lines.  Fortunately, the Games set from Windows 7 is available for Windows 10 as a free download.  Everything else, including Office 2016, runs well.

I was using Windows 8.  Then one day, without my consent, as I was on the computer, my laptop just started upgrading to Windows 10.  WTF?  I was actually in the middle of doing something on my computer and it was like "HEY STOP I HAVE TO DO THE WINDOWS 10 THING NOW K BBL."  Aside from that insanity, Windows 10 is definitely superior to Windows 8.  I didn't like what they did with the start menu in 7 or 8, but I like what they've done with it in 10.  The Cortana thing is pretty good too, but it still cracks me up that they took the idea from Halo  :biggrin:

I actually got Windows 10 to freeze last night.  Haven't had my computer freeze up like that in quite a while (Months?  Years?).  I was loading up an application and then decided midway through the loading to open an Internet browser, so I suppose it was too much for it. :D

Quote from: paulthemapguy on March 18, 2016, 09:33:32 AM
I was using Windows 8.  Then one day, without my consent, as I was on the computer, my laptop just started upgrading to Windows 10.  WTF?  I was actually in the middle of doing something on my computer and it was like "HEY STOP I HAVE TO DO THE WINDOWS 10 THING NOW K BBL."  Aside from that insanity, Windows 10 is definitely superior to Windows 8.  I didn't like what they did with the start menu in 7 or 8, but I like what they've done with it in 10.  The Cortana thing is pretty good too, but it still cracks me up that they took the idea from Halo  :biggrin:

When your computer isn't compatible with Windows 10 and it lets you keep using 7 :sombrero:

Quote from: Billy F 1988 on August 20, 2015, 06:23:29 PM
The other thing I'd like to add on to what I've mentioned is that it's so annoying to find out that after you turn your computer on to get it off sleep mode, surprise! You got an auto update function! (heh! I solved that one by just telling it to notify me about restarts instead of it doing the auto update and restart on its own volition!)

The magic "We presume you want Windows 10 instead of your perfectly good operating system" bit almost happened to me earlier tonight.  My question is that, given that a) the prompt presumes you want the upgrade UNLESS you say NO and, b) that they will eventually charge money for having given you the upgrade, would this actually be considered a deceptive consumer practice.

On a different note, is Microsoft ever going to finally wake up and recognize that NOBODY these days uses keyboard commands to activate menus or functions anymore.  I am a faster typist than many people, and I am sick and tired of having Word or Excel or whatever else I'm working in (including on websites like this one) suddenly go into an unexpected mode just because the computer confused my fast typing with a command.  All because the programmers they hire don't understand how to remove outdated code instead of just building on top of it.

Quote from: roadman on June 04, 2016, 10:41:33 PM
On a different note, is Microsoft ever going to finally wake up and recognize that NOBODY these days uses keyboard commands to activate menus or functions anymore.  I am a faster typist than many people, and I am sick and tired of having Word or Excel or whatever else I'm working in (including on websites like this one) suddenly go into an unexpected mode just because the computer confused my fast typing with a command.  All because the programmers they hire don't understand how to remove outdated code instead of just building on top of it.

I work with Excel on a daily basis at-work, and do use some of the keyboard combinations to trigger menu items and such, simply because it allows me to keep both hands on the keyboard. One of our applications we use is built on the IBM 3270 terminal, and while there is a simplified web-interface that includes many buttons to navigate, it is often faster to just tab-and-type instead of clicking.

Quote from: roadman on June 04, 2016, 10:41:33 PM
The magic "We presume you want Windows 10 instead of your perfectly good operating system" bit almost happened to me earlier tonight.  My question is that, given that a) the prompt presumes you want the upgrade UNLESS you say NO and, b) that they will eventually charge money for having given you the upgrade, would this actually be considered a deceptive consumer practice.

That happened to me a few nights ago, despite my best efforts to delay the Windows 10 upgrade until late June when I'll be (a) off the road, and (b) with another PC at hand to use while my notebook was upgraded. It did not help that Microsloth kept asking me to schedule an upgrade, but the only scheduling options were a few days out, no option to wait a month as I wanted.

Most aggravating was I was at a small cheap motel with a limited wireless network, and they asked me not to do major downloads on their network. Also, my PC was crippled for several hours during the upgrade, no option to stop the upgrade in progress. The upgrade went through OK (still have to smooth out some stuff), but that was about the worst time and place to do the upgrade.

Quote from: Zeffy on June 05, 2016, 09:57:34 AM

Quote from: roadman on June 04, 2016, 10:41:33 PM
On a different note, is Microsoft ever going to finally wake up and recognize that NOBODY these days uses keyboard commands to activate menus or functions anymore.  I am a faster typist than many people, and I am sick and tired of having Word or Excel or whatever else I'm working in (including on websites like this one) suddenly go into an unexpected mode just because the computer confused my fast typing with a command.  All because the programmers they hire don't understand how to remove outdated code instead of just building on top of it.

I work with Excel on a daily basis at-work, and do use some of the keyboard combinations to trigger menu items and such, simply because it allows me to keep both hands on the keyboard. One of our applications we use is built on the IBM 3270 terminal, and while there is a simplified web-interface that includes many buttons to navigate, it is often faster to just tab-and-type instead of clicking.

Yeah, I use key commands to access menus all the time. It's still quite a bit faster than reaching for the mouse once you have the key sequence memorized.

Quote from: roadman on June 04, 2016, 10:41:33 PM

Quote from: Billy F 1988 on August 20, 2015, 06:23:29 PM
The other thing I'd like to add on to what I've mentioned is that it's so annoying to find out that after you turn your computer on to get it off sleep mode, surprise! You got an auto update function! (heh! I solved that one by just telling it to notify me about restarts instead of it doing the auto update and restart on its own volition!)

The magic "We presume you want Windows 10 instead of your perfectly good operating system" bit almost happened to me earlier tonight.  My question is that, given that a) the prompt presumes you want the upgrade UNLESS you say NO and, b) that they will eventually charge money for having given you the upgrade, would this actually be considered a deceptive consumer practice.

My mother's computer kept trying to sneak the Windows 10 update on her.  A couple of times she came back and found it mid-process after she specifically declined the scheduling, and she turned off the computer in a panic to stop it.  I came over and disabled automatic updates for her.  Now I have her check the available updates every few days (set to download but not install) and manually select the updates that aren't obviously the Windows 10 upgrade.  So far my own PC hasn't pulled this stunt yet, but as soon as I get the nags I'll be doing the same.

What exactly is this continuing aversion to Windows 10? It's a million times better than any other version of Windows I've ever used. Granted, I never had any issues with installing it, but certainly there are going to be some incompatibilities, as there would be with any new OS. That's sort of how upgrades work.

Quote from: jakeroot on June 05, 2016, 02:49:28 PM
What exactly is this continuing aversion to Windows 10? It's a million times better than any other version of Windows I've ever used. Granted, I never had any issues with installing it, but certainly there are going to be some incompatibilities, as there would be with any new OS. That's sort of how upgrades work.

Not everybody feels like wasting their time learning a new operating system and dealing with the upgrade process and any incompatibilities.  Not everybody likes constant change.  Microsoft doesn't understand that Windows isn't the main event - it's the means to an end, but not the destination itself.  We don't sit down at our computers to use Windows.  I just want an OS that works consistently and allows me to do the things I sat down to do - use the internet, use Word, etc.  I don't need any bells and whistles or fancy graphics while I'm launching a program.  Windows 7 with its 'Classic' theme works fine and does exactly what I need it to do - unobtrusively launch my programs and keep them running.  When it comes time to buy another computer, I guess I'm stuck with it, but for now it'll be Windows 7.  Microsoft can get off my lawn.

I don't like the spying in Windows 10, I prefer the Windows 7 start menu, and I'd hate to lose the Aero glass theme.  I just don't see a need for the touch-centric features and the return to the Fisher Price style UI.

For those who are having forced upgrade issues: https://www.grc.com/never10.htm (I've also had automatic updates disabled for a while, as my Windows laptop is not my primary computer, and the automatic check that would start shortly after turning it on was interfearing with my attempts to manually check for/install updates).

Quote from: Roadrunner75 on June 05, 2016, 04:44:00 PM

Quote from: jakeroot on June 05, 2016, 02:49:28 PM
What exactly is this continuing aversion to Windows 10? It's a million times better than any other version of Windows I've ever used. Granted, I never had any issues with installing it, but certainly there are going to be some incompatibilities, as there would be with any new OS. That's sort of how upgrades work.

Not everybody feels like wasting their time learning a new operating system and dealing with the upgrade process and any incompatibilities.  Not everybody likes constant change.  Microsoft doesn't understand that Windows isn't the main event - it's the means to an end, but not the destination itself.  We don't sit down at our computers to use Windows.  I just want an OS that works consistently and allows me to do the things I sat down to do - use the internet, use Word, etc.  I don't need any bells and whistles or fancy graphics while I'm launching a program.  Windows 7 with its 'Classic' theme works fine and does exactly what I need it to do - unobtrusively launch my programs and keep them running.  When it comes time to buy another computer, I guess I'm stuck with it, but for now it'll be Windows 7.  Microsoft can get off my lawn.

I totally get what you're saying, man. And I pretty much entirely agree, which is why for several years, I owned a Mac (I was tired of Windows trying too hard to be really fancy, looking good but ultimately achieving very little). My point is simply that Windows 10 really harkens back to the old days of Windows. No glass themes, tons of keyboard shortcuts, really fast/relatively light-weight. The list goes on, and while it isn't perfect (my computer loves to restart after I shut it down, for some reason -- very annoying), it's by far the best Windows I've used since XP (I was born in '95, so I have little experience with pre-XP).

Quote from: vdeane on June 05, 2016, 04:56:29 PM
I don't like the spying in Windows 10, I prefer the Windows 7 start menu, and I'd hate to lose the Aero glass theme.  I just don't see a need for the touch-centric features and the return to the Fisher Price style UI.

I can't speak for the spying (I have no idea what you're on about), but I've always thought the glossy Aero theme was kind of ugly. The flatness of Windows 10 is far more attractive to me.

Quote from: corco on June 05, 2016, 10:47:46 AM

Quote from: Zeffy on June 05, 2016, 09:57:34 AM

Quote from: roadman on June 04, 2016, 10:41:33 PM
On a different note, is Microsoft ever going to finally wake up and recognize that NOBODY these days uses keyboard commands to activate menus or functions anymore.  I am a faster typist than many people, and I am sick and tired of having Word or Excel or whatever else I'm working in (including on websites like this one) suddenly go into an unexpected mode just because the computer confused my fast typing with a command.  All because the programmers they hire don't understand how to remove outdated code instead of just building on top of it.

I work with Excel on a daily basis at-work, and do use some of the keyboard combinations to trigger menu items and such, simply because it allows me to keep both hands on the keyboard. One of our applications we use is built on the IBM 3270 terminal, and while there is a simplified web-interface that includes many buttons to navigate, it is often faster to just tab-and-type instead of clicking.

Yeah, I use key commands to access menus all the time. It's still quite a bit faster than reaching for the mouse once you have the key sequence memorized.

Fair enough.  Now for my next question.  Is there any way to shut that "functionality" off?

A lot of the privacy issues are due to Microsoft's LARGE reliance on cloud services in Windows 10 (especially Cortana).

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/17/technology/windows-10-privacy/

This part is particularly worrying:

Quote from: Windows 10 Licence Agreement"We may automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Services, playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices."

It took about 5 hours last night to install Windows 10 on my laptop, which was running Windows 8.1. I gotta say it's not spectacular and I quite miss some of the third-party programs that haven't been ported over (OblyTile, mostly...the one way to make the Metro menu useful). Haven't tried out all the features yet, but hoping to get up to speed in time for a transcontinental trip next week.

Definitely not ready to pull the trigger on my primary desktop, though. It's too much of a risk!

Quote from: jakeroot on June 05, 2016, 05:52:40 PM

Quote from: Roadrunner75 on June 05, 2016, 04:44:00 PM

Quote from: jakeroot on June 05, 2016, 02:49:28 PM
What exactly is this continuing aversion to Windows 10? It's a million times better than any other version of Windows I've ever used. Granted, I never had any issues with installing it, but certainly there are going to be some incompatibilities, as there would be with any new OS. That's sort of how upgrades work.

Not everybody feels like wasting their time learning a new operating system and dealing with the upgrade process and any incompatibilities.  Not everybody likes constant change.  Microsoft doesn't understand that Windows isn't the main event - it's the means to an end, but not the destination itself.  We don't sit down at our computers to use Windows.  I just want an OS that works consistently and allows me to do the things I sat down to do - use the internet, use Word, etc.  I don't need any bells and whistles or fancy graphics while I'm launching a program.  Windows 7 with its 'Classic' theme works fine and does exactly what I need it to do - unobtrusively launch my programs and keep them running.  When it comes time to buy another computer, I guess I'm stuck with it, but for now it'll be Windows 7.  Microsoft can get off my lawn.

I totally get what you're saying, man. And I pretty much entirely agree, which is why for several years, I owned a Mac (I was tired of Windows trying too hard to be really fancy, looking good but ultimately achieving very little). My point is simply that Windows 10 really harkens back to the old days of Windows. No glass themes, tons of keyboard shortcuts, really fast/relatively light-weight. The list goes on, and while it isn't perfect (my computer loves to restart after I shut it down, for some reason -- very annoying), it's by far the best Windows I've used since XP (I was born in '95, so I have little experience with pre-XP).

Quote from: vdeane on June 05, 2016, 04:56:29 PM
I don't like the spying in Windows 10, I prefer the Windows 7 start menu, and I'd hate to lose the Aero glass theme.  I just don't see a need for the touch-centric features and the return to the Fisher Price style UI.

I can't speak for the spying (I have no idea what you're on about), but I've always thought the glossy Aero theme was kind of ugly. The flatness of Windows 10 is far more attractive to me.

http://www.classicshell.net/ this brings back the classic start menu to Windows 10. It works quite well. I had a similar problem with Unity in Gnome in Ubuntu. There's an app for that that brings a drop down menu in Gnome, which speeds things up.

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Quote from: vdeane on June 06, 2016, 01:37:35 PM
A lot of the privacy issues are due to Microsoft's LARGE reliance on cloud services in Windows 10 (especially Cortana).

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/17/technology/windows-10-privacy/

This part is particularly worrying:

Quote from: Windows 10 Licence Agreement"We may automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Services, playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices."

Then don't do those things

Also, Facebook invades your privacy as much as Cortana/Siri/Alexa do if not more. 

The only true way to get "off the grid" is to stop using computers altogether.

It's to be expected that Facebook could figure out what you do on its site and rational people act accordingly.  It's not expected that what one does on their own private computer is going to be anything other than completely private.  Back in the day, things like keyloggers were considered MALWARE, and if malware was using a microphone to listen to everything one says, there would be outrage.  Now nobody cares if such things are built into an OS, turning a private device into a treasure trove of information for advertisers and the NSA.  Next thing you know, even one's own internal thoughts won't be private any more.

As far as I'm concerned, if you're not explicitly going on the internet, what happens in your computer, should stay in your computer (even internet stuff should be between you and the website, no other parties, and yes, I'd outlaw the modern form of targeted advertising that targets individuals instead of just demographics).

Even not using a computer won't help soon.  Some cities are installing cameras with microphones all over the place.  There's even a UN plan to connect them in a global database to fight terrorism or something like that.

Quote from: SSOWorld on June 07, 2016, 05:51:39 AM

Quote from: vdeane on June 06, 2016, 01:37:35 PM
A lot of the privacy issues are due to Microsoft's LARGE reliance on cloud services in Windows 10 (especially Cortana).

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/17/technology/windows-10-privacy/

This part is particularly worrying:

Quote from: Windows 10 Licence Agreement"We may automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Services, playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices."

Then don't do those things

Also, Facebook invades your privacy as much as Cortana/Siri/Alexa do if not more. 

The only true way to get "off the grid" is to stop using computers altogether.

Not true.  You can stop using Facebook and still use computers.

Quote from: SSOWorld on June 07, 2016, 05:51:39 AM

Quote from: vdeane on June 06, 2016, 01:37:35 PM
A lot of the privacy issues are due to Microsoft's LARGE reliance on cloud services in Windows 10 (especially Cortana).

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/17/technology/windows-10-privacy/

This part is particularly worrying:

Quote from: Windows 10 Licence Agreement"We may automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Services, playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices."

Then don't do those things

Also, Facebook invades your privacy as much as Cortana/Siri/Alexa do if not more. 

The only true way to get "off the grid" is to stop using computers altogether.

Or use Linux.

That's not a guarantee of anything either - reduces the chances, but no guarantee.

The only guarantees are death and taxes.

Quote from: kkt on June 09, 2016, 11:52:21 PM
The only guarantees are death and taxes.

And also that for everything that exists, there is also a pornographic version of it.

In other news, when I release my next indie rock album, I'm entitling it "Death and Taxes."