In the past few weeks, and in at least 2 states, I've noticed the appearance of new yellow tabs reading LEFT atop BGSs. They are placed on top of the sign, or, in at least one case, made part of a new replacement BGS. Appropriately enough, they are on the left side of the sign (or to the left of the word EXIT).
Is this a new MUTCD mandate that just became effective?
An example in DC
(WTOP) Exclusive: Southeast-Southwest Freeway signage still askew (http://wtop.com/sprawl-crawl/2015/08/exclusive-southeast-southwest-freeway-signage-still-askew/slide/1/)
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It's in the MUTCD, and has been in effect for several years now.
An example:
http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part2/fig2e_14_longdesc.htm
Interesting that DC has adopted the MassDOT practice of providing a separate "LEFT" panel above the exit tab, instead of using the MUTCD standard of incorporating 'LEFT' into the exit tab itself.
AHTD is slowly adopting them.
Here in Louisiana , LADODT is using a large all yellow Left Exit tab above the BGS now. The exit number and the Left Exit warning are done with black lettering.
It gets your attention, but I think it's UGLY!
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.4211928,-91.1255004,3a,75y,99h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sI9ZwvXf3ZgoiV7KoKrrfXw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
Hope this works.
I-10 East approaching I-12 interchange.
ADOT has been adopting them as well.
Quote from: pctech on August 14, 2015, 03:52:08 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.4211928,-91.1255004,3a,75y,99h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sI9ZwvXf3ZgoiV7KoKrrfXw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
Hope this works.
I-10 East approaching I-12 interchange.
In one word - Yuck!
We seem to just yellow the word LEFT in NC:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi703.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww34%2Fslorydn1%2FRoad%2520Photos%2F20150329_112445_zps2a3sjotm.jpg&hash=51c98ca2766d13eb2a76e655b163c0c42aa03a57)
The MUTCD-standard application makes the exit tab way too tall. WSDOT does it right:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FFYoSanb.png&hash=1f58cf03441f2aaecb25ffc3f0ee18792c4ecb65)
Quote from: slorydn1 on August 14, 2015, 07:36:36 PM
We seem to just yellow the word LEFT in NC:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi703.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww34%2Fslorydn1%2FRoad%2520Photos%2F20150329_112445_zps2a3sjotm.jpg&hash=51c98ca2766d13eb2a76e655b163c0c42aa03a57)
Since 2009, that has been the MUTCD standard. From 2003 to 2009, the tab was similar, except that "LEFT" was white on green instead.
Quote from: pctech on August 14, 2015, 03:52:08 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.4211928,-91.1255004,3a,75y,99h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sI9ZwvXf3ZgoiV7KoKrrfXw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
Hope this works.
The link works, but the sign *doesn't*!!
Making the whole tab yellow just washes all the text out. The only way it would be worse would be if it were construction-orange. And the anti-Clearviewers will pounce all over the I-10 and I-12 shields.
Quote from: roadman on August 14, 2015, 06:31:45 PM
Quote from: pctech on August 14, 2015, 03:52:08 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.4211928,-91.1255004,3a,75y,99h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sI9ZwvXf3ZgoiV7KoKrrfXw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
Hope this works.
I-10 East approaching I-12 interchange.
In one word - Yuck!
Yuck is an understatement.
Additionally, I am counting five down arrows on the signs, but only four lanes. An arrow per lane sign should have been used here instead.
The MUTCD requirement for the left tabs had a compliance date of December 31, 2014 (source (http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009r1r2/intro/intro.htm))- it appears many places failed to meet this date.
Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2015, 08:35:23 PM
The MUTCD-standard application makes the exit tab way too tall. WSDOT does it right:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FFYoSanb.png&hash=1f58cf03441f2aaecb25ffc3f0ee18792c4ecb65)
Now that I see this adjacent horizontal version, I rather like it over the stacked vertical the MUTCD calls for. The exception would probably be if the main BGS is of a narrow width, making the tab longer, with an overhanging effect.
Here is an example where the entire exit tab is yellow:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6805187,-71.5699476,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3O0cS0b0qVVVPlZPhgvvMg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
Crappy examples of the standard in Illinois:
https://goo.gl/maps/j8sI5
https://goo.gl/maps/xOPB2
Even more crappy when the BGS is very wide:
https://goo.gl/maps/smTDW
They've since gone to a "non-stacked" LEFT EXIT on some signs - which is much better.
Quote from: doogie1303 on August 15, 2015, 01:56:12 PM
Here is an example where the entire exit tab is yellow:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6805187,-71.5699476,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3O0cS0b0qVVVPlZPhgvvMg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
I got a link to a signalized intersection somewhere in Rhode Island with the new flashing arrow left.
Quote from: txstateends on August 15, 2015, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2015, 08:35:23 PM
The MUTCD-standard application makes the exit tab way too tall. WSDOT does it right:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FFYoSanb.png&hash=1f58cf03441f2aaecb25ffc3f0ee18792c4ecb65)
Now that I see this adjacent horizontal version, I rather like it over the stacked vertical the MUTCD calls for. The exception would probably be if the main BGS is of a narrow width, making the tab longer, with an overhanging effect.
Well, if the exit tabs are indexed to the left, which Washington doesn't do, then the "left" tab is redundant. :pan:
Not that anyone cares, but I despise the 2009 MUTCD.
If IDOT used the WSDOT solution, they probably wouldn't look as bad.
I don't recall any off the top of my head, if there are any, but has ISTHA done any LEFT exit tabs? Or even any left exits for that matter to this point...
Well I don't know if this counts or not, because it might be a contractor sign. The Exit legend is a bit shifted, but other than that its pretty standard. Image captured from GMSV.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fg1eP2aX.png&hash=4222765369b8ebba1b3776437c27c83d124026fb)
Quote from: roadman on August 14, 2015, 08:42:29 PM
Quote from: slorydn1 on August 14, 2015, 07:36:36 PM
We seem to just yellow the word LEFT in NC:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi703.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww34%2Fslorydn1%2FRoad%2520Photos%2F20150329_112445_zps2a3sjotm.jpg&hash=51c98ca2766d13eb2a76e655b163c0c42aa03a57)
Since 2009, that has been the MUTCD standard. From 2003 to 2009, the tab was similar, except that "LEFT" was white on green instead.
Virginia has been doing it the same way as NC, although only on new signs:
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6523719,-77.4234093,3a,75y,283.32h,89.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAu4Ns6AqT34IaqGvsqZ8Qw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
At last check, the signage for 2 of the 3 remaining left exits (Exit 2, Harrison Avenue and exit 10B, Galbraith Road, both on Northbound I-75) only have yellow-on-black LEFT copy on advance signage, for example "LEFT 1/4 Mile", not on exit tabs. Another, Exit 9 on eastbound I-74 which is for northbound I-275, DID have a left tab on advance signage but not for the exit itself when GSV passed through in October of last year. When I get back out that way coming up in September, I'll take a look and see if that remains. The other left exit in the district, Exit 3 for Hopple Street on northbound I-75, has been converted to a traditional right-hand exit, but when GSV passed through there last September, it didn't have left tabs. So, at least in District 8, ODOT is scattershot on the implementation of LEFT tabs.
Quote from: roadman65 on August 15, 2015, 02:34:16 PM
Quote from: doogie1303 on August 15, 2015, 01:56:12 PM
Here is an example where the entire exit tab is yellow:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6805187,-71.5699476,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3O0cS0b0qVVVPlZPhgvvMg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
I got a link to a signalized intersection somewhere in Rhode Island with the new flashing arrow left.
Yes the FYA is in Coventry on Rte 3. I posted about it in the FYA thread.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 15, 2015, 03:24:49 PM
If IDOT used the WSDOT solution, they probably wouldn't look as bad.
I don't recall any off the top of my head, if there are any, but has ISTHA done any LEFT exit tabs? Or even any left exits for that matter to this point...
Well I don't know if this counts or not, because it might be a contractor sign. The Exit legend is a bit shifted, but other than that its pretty standard. Image captured from GMSV.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fg1eP2aX.png&hash=4222765369b8ebba1b3776437c27c83d124026fb)
Your photo is the rare ISTHA left exit installation. You can tell it's an ISTHA sign, not an IDOT sign from the placement of the "TOLL" and "EAST".
ISTHA:
{94} TOLL
EAST
IDOT:
TOLL
{94} EAST
I have seen some around on ramps without exit numbers. They are popping up more and more on many state freeways and maybe even some arterials.
Quote from: roadman65 on August 16, 2015, 05:59:14 PM
I have seen some around on ramps without exit numbers. They are popping up more and more on many state freeways and maybe even some arterials.
We have a good number of "Left Exit" tabs here without exit numbers, primarily (but not exclusively) in the HO/T lanes where most (but again, not all) exits are on the left and all the exits are unnumbered. The style they used varies. There are some that don't say "exit," perhaps because "Exit Only" was deemed sufficient (note I don't know if that was the rationale, I'm just guessing).....
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi31.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc378%2F1995hoo%2FRoad%2520sign%2520pictures%2FNewexitsignonBeltway_zps6f156caf.png&hash=a45d168cee39f8e7b3e729c05158688ff98ee0ec)
....there are some that have the "Left Exit" tab all in yellow (see the sign to the far left; this sign has been modified since my dashcam took this, but the exit tab remains as seen here)....
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi31.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc378%2F1995hoo%2FRoad%2520sign%2520pictures%2FNewAPLSpringfieldcomplete_zps1d22a0ae.png&hash=3eabcef3d61ced3009614e9055c29af3e4e107fa)
....and there are some that use the black-on-yellow only for the word "left," such as these monstrosities near the Pentagon. (Edited to note–in case it's not clear, the left exit tab is not the reason for my calling them "monstrosities"!)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi31.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc378%2F1995hoo%2FRoad%2520sign%2520pictures%2F4e098bcb.jpg&hash=096349232f5d5945557d5493f22e26611f371ff1)
Agreed about the I-10 I-12 east bound split. Arrow per lane would be better on BGS. LADODT seems to afraid of them. :rolleyes:
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 14, 2015, 12:27:02 PM
It's in the MUTCD, and has been in effect for several years now.
An example:
http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part2/fig2e_14_longdesc.htm
I'll bet Md will be forever using any "LEFT" banner, top of or inside the tab. SC too.
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 17, 2015, 07:30:10 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 16, 2015, 05:59:14 PM
I have seen some around on ramps without exit numbers. They are popping up more and more on many state freeways and maybe even some arterials.
We have a good number of "Left Exit" tabs here without exit numbers, primarily (but not exclusively) in the HO/T lanes where most (but again, not all) exits are on the left and all the exits are unnumbered. The style they used varies. There are some that don't say "exit," perhaps because "Exit Only" was deemed sufficient (note I don't know if that was the rationale, I'm just guessing).....
Actually, per the MUTCD, all that is required is the yellow "LEFT" plaque where exits are unnumbered.
Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2015, 08:35:23 PM
The MUTCD-standard application makes the exit tab way too tall. WSDOT does it right:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FFYoSanb.png&hash=1f58cf03441f2aaecb25ffc3f0ee18792c4ecb65)
IIRC, some BGS' in Maryland use a similar all-horizontal LEFT-Exit tab. I like that design as well as what MassDOT uses.
Quote from: roadman on August 14, 2015, 02:08:51 PM
Interesting that DC has adopted the MassDOT practice of providing a separate "LEFT" panel above the exit tab, instead of using the MUTCD standard of incorporating 'LEFT' into the exit tab itself.
I thought MassDOT's tab used a taller composite tab but split the yellow
LEFT and green
EXIT XX sections respectively from top to bottom. The DC example's separate
LEFT tab is narrower than the exit tab itself.
Quote from: pctech on August 14, 2015, 03:52:08 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.4211928,-91.1255004,3a,75y,99h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sI9ZwvXf3ZgoiV7KoKrrfXw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
Hope this works.
I-10 East approaching I-12 interchange.
We will
not talk about
that abomination...
EVER ! :)
Clearly such is a candidate for this:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fendlesspicdump.com%2Foriginal%2Fkill%2520it%2520with%2520fire%2520flamethrower.jpeg&hash=dc8263814398bb0df7571b8b9c0bc8a3ec68ee0e)
QuoteI thought MassDOT's tab used a taller composite tab but split the yellow LEFT and green EXIT XX sections respectively from top to bottom. The DC example's separate LEFT tab is narrower than the exit tab itself.
MassDOT practice is to detail the installation for LEFT exit tabs on project plans as two separate tabs, one indicating "LEFT" and one indicating "EXIT XX". Most fabricator face drawings I've seen for these tabs also show two separate tabs. Because there
are no intermediate borders is only one intermediate border (top of exit number tab), it looks like a single big tab when assembled.
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 18, 2015, 02:18:51 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2015, 08:35:23 PM
The MUTCD-standard application makes the exit tab way too tall. WSDOT does it right:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FFYoSanb.png&hash=1f58cf03441f2aaecb25ffc3f0ee18792c4ecb65)
IIRC, some BGS' in Maryland use a similar all-horizontal LEFT-Exit tab. I like that design as well as what MassDOT uses.
Quote from: roadman on August 14, 2015, 02:08:51 PM
Interesting that DC has adopted the MassDOT practice of providing a separate "LEFT" panel above the exit tab, instead of using the MUTCD standard of incorporating 'LEFT' into the exit tab itself.
I thought MassDOT's tab used a taller composite tab but split the yellow LEFT and green EXIT XX sections respectively from top to bottom. The DC example's separate LEFT tab is narrower than the exit tab itself.
Quote from: pctech on August 14, 2015, 03:52:08 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.4211928,-91.1255004,3a,75y,99h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sI9ZwvXf3ZgoiV7KoKrrfXw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
Hope this works.
I-10 East approaching I-12 interchange.
We will not talk about that abomination... EVER ! :)
Clearly such is a candidate for this:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fendlesspicdump.com%2Foriginal%2Fkill%2520it%2520with%2520fire%2520flamethrower.jpeg&hash=dc8263814398bb0df7571b8b9c0bc8a3ec68ee0e)
Then include this. https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/17365287202/in/album-72157637222600296/
Quote from: roadman65 on August 18, 2015, 05:05:39 PMThen include this. https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/17365287202/in/album-72157637222600296/
At least that one doesn't use Clearview for its Interstate numerals, though they're still a tad oversized. That 3di-shield for I-10 just does not look right.
I took some of new signs on Md. 32 at I-95 in Howard County recently. Posted on Facebook here (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10206104318279099.1073741866.1596953667&type=1&l=a0d30e28e4) (but no Facebook account needed).
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 20, 2015, 11:32:59 PM
I took some of new signs on Md. 32 at I-95 in Howard County recently. Posted on Facebook here (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10206104318279099.1073741866.1596953667&type=1&l=a0d30e28e4) (but no Facebook account needed).
I thought Clearview numerals were dead, outside of Louisiana? :-D Anyhow, glad to see other states adopting the single-line "left" exit tab.
Here is one without the exit number, but a yellow LEFT tab in Missouri.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Webb+City,+MO/@37.135166,-94.440515,3a,66.8y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sMQ6ccarNuAdf3Ats2yUgHw!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x87c87ec5ee51a13b:0x4c99928c01185569
Quote from: pctech on August 17, 2015, 08:54:59 AM
Arrow per lane would be better on BGS. LADODT seems to afraid of them. :rolleyes:
Good luck with that. Looks to me that LADOTD is moving away from unisigns. At least I don't recall seeing any new (<5 years) unisigns in south Louisiana.
This link shows an oddity on westbound I-96 where it joins I-275/M-14 -- a yellow "LEFT" tab on the pull-through BGS directing drivers from WB I-96 to WB M-14. There is nothing left-trending about this section; it's as straight-thru as can be. But MDOT for some reason opted to use the LEFT tab on the M-14 pull-through, presumably because the ramp from WB I-96 connecting to NB I-275 definitely curves to the right.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3847166,-83.4283357,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKYsjvmLYFSDMQtS8XNeCvA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3847166,-83.4283357,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKYsjvmLYFSDMQtS8XNeCvA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)
Quote from: pctech on August 14, 2015, 03:52:08 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.4211928,-91.1255004,3a,75y,99h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sI9ZwvXf3ZgoiV7KoKrrfXw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
Hope this works.
I-10 East approaching I-12 interchange.
Wow, even the word 'INTERSTATE' is in Clearview. That's hardcore.
Here is an APL example:
https://goo.gl/maps/J7K5P1q8cD52
Quote from: SignGeek101 on November 01, 2015, 10:50:09 AMHere is an APL example:
https://goo.gl/maps/J7K5P1q8cD52
Anybody who's too stupid to realize that that's a left exit is also too stupid to be driving a car. :pan:
Quote from: Tom958 on November 01, 2015, 11:56:47 AM
Quote from: SignGeek101 on November 01, 2015, 10:50:09 AMHere is an APL example:
https://goo.gl/maps/J7K5P1q8cD52
Anybody who's too stupid to realize that that's a left exit is also too stupid to be driving a car. :pan:
And it's really not even an exit. That split is just after the Port Mann Bridge, and the lanes (as you can see by panning around) have already exited from the mainlines, before they even crossed the bridge (about a kilometre back). By virtue of being on the rightmost carriageway, you have already exited the freeway, thus this "left exit" is nonsense anyways.
It's the equivalent of signing a left exit at a Parclo B4, and saying that the loop, because you had to stay to the left to use it, is a left exit.
Also, I'm a bit annoyed that BC has started to adopt some of the more ludicrous parts of the MUTCD, such as yellow left exit tabs, and raised-caps on cardinal directions.
Quote from: jakeroot on November 01, 2015, 01:33:03 PM
Also, I'm a bit annoyed that BC has started to adopt some of the more ludicrous parts of the MUTCD, such as yellow left exit tabs, and raised-caps on cardinal directions.
How are either of these ludicrous?
Quote from: jbnv on November 01, 2015, 01:54:05 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 01, 2015, 01:33:03 PM
Also, I'm a bit annoyed that BC has started to adopt some of the more ludicrous parts of the MUTCD, such as yellow left exit tabs, and raised-caps on cardinal directions.
How are either of these ludicrous?
I've never found either to be necessary. I'm okay with raised-caps for cardinal directions (they're not that bad), but left exit tabs are just outrageous. The word "left" is perfectly acceptable.
Especially in a province that already uses the EXIT word in their tabs. Yes, a simple LEFT would be preferred. NC does this too, even when it's not really an exit.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Garner,+NC/@35.733616,-78.650976,3a,66.8y,180h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1szspD-T2Jhymnh4X0Jwbv6w!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x89ac6089b5460321:0x47e82079f2e7d931
In fact, if anything, at this junction, US 401 should be the exit, not US 70.
And, yes, I am a fan of raised caps.
Quote from: jbnv on November 05, 2015, 09:00:55 AM
First, I can think of only two states (Texas and Virginia) that have "distinctive and differentiating" route shields for primary and secondary networks. (County roads don't count.)
Also, Tennessee. And technically West Virginia, since what are frequently called county routes are actually state-maintained. And Missouri, too, since the lettered routes are state routes.
Montana has two-tiered state routes.
I see NJDOT has them in Trenton, NJ on the Trenton Freeway at unnumbered left exits such as for US 1 Business and the other two left ramps.
We're off-track. The point is that uniform shape and color makes it easier to tell what is going on. You and I agree on this point. This is particularly true for left exits, not so much true for secondary highways that are distinguished by number or name.