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Title: Stop Sign Controlled Roudabout in Shopping Center Parking Lot
Post by: Brian556 on August 18, 2015, 08:23:31 PM
Clermont, FL.

Also note the small central island diameter, lack of splitter islands, and that the entries do not bend to the right.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FVac.8.2015.C1%2520137_zpsb3lx1lnl.jpg&hash=cafaca88f3af4e31b33376b35da62e091737448c) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/Vac.8.2015.C1%20137_zpsb3lx1lnl.jpg.html)

Google Map: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Clermont,+FL/@28.5367492,-81.7340292,199m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x88e78ac71fe24735:0x372601b856243ecc!5m1!1e4!6m1!1e1 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Clermont,+FL/@28.5367492,-81.7340292,199m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x88e78ac71fe24735:0x372601b856243ecc!5m1!1e4!6m1!1e1)
Title: Re: Stop Sign Controlled Roudabout in Shopping Center Parking Lot
Post by: Brandon on August 18, 2015, 10:36:14 PM
That's nothing.  There's a shitload like that on streets in Chicago, and even one here in Joliet.
Title: Re: Stop Sign Controlled Roudabout in Shopping Center Parking Lot
Post by: vdeane on August 19, 2015, 12:50:29 PM
Looks more like painted pavement than a truck apron...
Title: Re: Stop Sign Controlled Roudabout in Shopping Center Parking Lot
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 19, 2015, 01:07:22 PM
Quote from: vdeane on August 19, 2015, 12:50:29 PM
Looks more like painted pavement than a truck apron...

A close up look shows the concrete and the brick apron.  And because it's still narrow for trucks, you can see all the black from tires rubbing against the curb!  https://goo.gl/maps/i6wCh

Title: Re: Stop Sign Controlled Roudabout in Shopping Center Parking Lot
Post by: machias on August 19, 2015, 01:07:54 PM
I wonder how many people really stop for the stop sign?
Title: Re: Stop Sign Controlled Roudabout in Shopping Center Parking Lot
Post by: vdeane on August 19, 2015, 01:11:21 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 19, 2015, 01:07:22 PM
Quote from: vdeane on August 19, 2015, 12:50:29 PM
Looks more like painted pavement than a truck apron...

A close up look shows the concrete and the brick apron.  And because it's still narrow for trucks, you can see all the black from tires rubbing against the curb!  https://goo.gl/maps/i6wCh


Is it raised?  Looks pretty flat in that link.
Title: Re: Stop Sign Controlled Roudabout in Shopping Center Parking Lot
Post by: 1995hoo on August 19, 2015, 01:56:50 PM
It reminds me of the one in Gordonsville, which isn't quite a proper roundabout but is fairly close for an older design.* I always want to run the stop sign here if there's no traffic coming through in the other directions:

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.142345,-78.189541,3a,66.8y,27.89h,82.5t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s8MD4UVtAFSYNEjEmg0dAbg!2e0

(Bonus: If you click back just over a block behind the camera location, then rotate back around to face north, you'll find a sine salad with cutouts.)


*Edited to add: VDOT says the Gordonsville roundabout opened in 1940! (They do include it on their list of roundabouts in Virginia.)
Title: Re: Stop Sign Controlled Roudabout in Shopping Center Parking Lot
Post by: DaBigE on August 19, 2015, 01:57:13 PM
Quote from: vdeane on August 19, 2015, 01:11:21 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 19, 2015, 01:07:22 PM
Quote from: vdeane on August 19, 2015, 12:50:29 PM
Looks more like painted pavement than a truck apron...

A close up look shows the concrete and the brick apron.  And because it's still narrow for trucks, you can see all the black from tires rubbing against the curb!  https://goo.gl/maps/i6wCh


Is it raised?  Looks pretty flat in that link.

At most, it's sloped for drainage, but that's about it. FWIW, it doesn't have to be raised in order to be considered a truck apron - just delineated somehow (contrasting pavement, curb line, paint, edge line, or some combination of those).
Title: Re: Stop Sign Controlled Roudabout in Shopping Center Parking Lot
Post by: UCFKnights on August 19, 2015, 06:30:46 PM
Quote from: upstatenyroads on August 19, 2015, 01:07:54 PM
I wonder how many people really stop for the stop sign?
I don't even slow down unless to yield. If I see stop signs on a roundabout, I figure its private roads and technically unenforceable.
Title: Re: Stop Sign Controlled Roudabout in Shopping Center Parking Lot
Post by: cl94 on August 19, 2015, 07:29:23 PM
That's nothing (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9151541,-78.8820908,3a,75y,357.64h,75.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sRTcFHBjnrt7dTH_yL0iXJQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). I think every circle/roundabout inside Buffalo's city limits has at least one stop sign-controlled approach. Most (such as the one I linked to) have one at every approach.
Title: Re: Stop Sign Controlled Roudabout in Shopping Center Parking Lot
Post by: jakeroot on August 19, 2015, 07:39:29 PM
Quote from: UCFKnights on August 19, 2015, 06:30:46 PM
Quote from: upstatenyroads on August 19, 2015, 01:07:54 PM
I wonder how many people really stop for the stop sign?

I don't even slow down unless to yield. If I see stop signs on a roundabout, I figure its private roads and technically unenforceable.

Same for me. Granted, there are only a handful of traffic circles in my area, and the majority don't have any signs (the remaining are mostly signed with yield signs, occasionally a stop sign). Modern roundabouts always have yield signs around here, but if one were to not, I certainly wouldn't come to a stop.