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Title: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: Mergingtraffic on September 09, 2015, 12:31:38 PM
A Boston station WCVB had an article about wrong way drivers.  The article focused on CT-8 in the Waterbury area.  That's interesting in it's own right, but read the article and read the comments after.

http://www.wcvb.com/news/police-wrong-way-drivers-shatter-lives-on-state-highways/35015238

I've experience 2 wrong way drivers so far and I saw them well in advance and moved to my right and was fine (they were in the left lane going the wrong way).

However, a person in Naugatuck CT was killed going the right way in the right lane about to get off at an exit, as a wrong way driver was getting on at the exit ramp.  I would guess if they accident didn't happen at that point, the wrong way driver would move to his right, the left lane.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: SignGeek101 on September 09, 2015, 12:34:38 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a person driving wrong-way before, but I can say I have been in a car that has done it! It wasn't on a highway, just a city street though.

Luckily there was low traffic and we soon found out at the next traffic signal that was red. Imagine seeing all the headlights pointed at you  :-P Turned around and that was that.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: PHLBOS on September 09, 2015, 04:58:53 PM
Many years/decades ago; I read an article in the Salem Evening News regarding a driver that erroneously drove north along the southbound lanes of MA 128 from Waltham to Beverly (just over 30 miles).  This occurred around 1-2 AM.  After he (somehow) exited at the MA 1A interchange, he righted himself (heading north in the northbound lane) only to collide with a tree about a mile away.

The only times I've encountered wrong-way drivers was at an entrance to a supermarket parking lot not too far from where I live.  The entrance in question (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9204729,-75.2983375,3a,75y,99.47h,80.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-5ClkY4KgjKfajePv6Czlg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) has a grass median between the parking lot entry & exit lanes.

On two different occassions, I noticed a vehicle exiting using the entrance lanes (one time while exiting, another time while entering).  Fortuantely for the latter, I was able to swerve to avoid them.  After the 2nd time, I noticed that there was no KEEP RIGHT sign of any type posted on the island... not even a trace of a post. 

I investigated and obtained the name & contact number of the property (of the supermarket/strip mall) and notified them that there should be a KEEP RIGHT sign for that island due to my witnessing 2 drivers exiting on the wrong lanes.

About a week later, a sign (R4-7b type) was erected.  The above-GSV predates the erection of the signage; the backs of the 2 signs shown along both sides of the exit lanes are R3-5s (both left and right turns only); the newer R4-7b sign was placed near the end of the median/island.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 09, 2015, 05:23:52 PM
I recall seeing one on a Jersey-Freeway type roadway.  He/She was to his right, trying to get to the small left shoulder that was only a foot or two wide.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: briantroutman on September 09, 2015, 05:44:03 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 09, 2015, 05:23:52 PM
I recall seeing one on a Jersey-Freeway type roadway.  He/She was to his right, trying to get to the small left shoulder that was only a foot or two wide.

I'm not sure if this is exactly what you're referring to, but I've seen intentional wrong way drivers from time to time on divided roads where people decide to risk driving the wrong way on the shoulder for a house length or two rather than drive down to the next intersection or interchange, turn around, pass their intended destination on the other side, and turn around again.

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The WCVB story repeats what I've often heard about wrong way drivers on freeways: They're typically drunk, driving with their headlights off, and trying to keep a low profile in what they think is the right lane but what is actually the left lane of the opposing direction. That's another reason to keep to the right lane unless you're actively passing someone. And it's probably advisable to keep especially alert from around midnight to 3 a.m. when people depart parties, bars close, and the majority of these accidents occur.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: Brian556 on September 09, 2015, 06:36:38 PM
They are typically very drunk, around 2x the legal limit. There are a surprisingly high number of drunk drivers with very high BAC's ,and they are typically the ones that cause these serious accidents.

These accidents show you just how dangerous of a drug alcohol is, and how much of a toll it takes on our society.

Just think about how f-ed up our system is. They say they don't want people to drive drunk, yet we have bars all over the place that encourage people to get drunk away from home, and drive drunk. It makes no sense to me whatsoever.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: 1995hoo on September 09, 2015, 09:31:00 PM
I saw an old man driving the wrong way up the off-ramp from I-75 to Jacaranda Boulevard in Venice, Florida, a few years back. I was exiting the highway and this guy was coming at me; my flashing my lights and blowing my horn did no good. Thankfully, I saw in my rearview that he came to his senses and turned around before he hit the highway itself. The road was under construction and there certainly would have been a fatal crash had he not turned around.

This was before I had a dashcam, so I don't have video of it.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: rarnold on September 09, 2015, 09:46:03 PM
I came upon a wrong-way driver is Cedar Rapids, Iowa, right around the Quaker Oats plant on I-380. Luckily, they were going slow on the inside shoulder, and I was able to move over to the right a little and avoid them. It was the scariest moment I have had in a car.

Would the retractable tire spikes work at interchanges where this is a problem, or flashing lights that activate when a car goes the wrong way down an on-ramp or even on the mainline of the highway?
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: machias on September 09, 2015, 09:55:31 PM
The NYS Thruway Authority has introduced motion activated LED signs that advise motorists when they're going the wrong way down a ramp; I know that Exit 34 has this feature. I think another interchange around Buffalo also has the new signs.

I've encountered wrong way drivers twice, both on NY Route 49 where it straddles the Thruway near Utica.  They were headed EB down the WB lanes. Both times I pulled over on the shoulder to avoid collision and both times it was an elderly gentleman (but not the same one) going the wrong way.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: Mr_Northside on September 10, 2015, 10:57:07 AM
Encountered one on Ohio River Blvd right at it's junction with I-279.  Somehow the vehicle crossed the Ft. Duquesne on the wrong deck... Not sure where they're point of entry was that they made the mistake.  Didn't hear / read about any accidents   , so they must have not wrecked.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: freebrickproductions on September 10, 2015, 11:14:38 AM
I've seen a few people driving on the wrong side of the road, all of them were on the city streets though. One night, at this intersection (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.724148,-86.581218,3a,66.8y,334.08h,85.91t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sJD-8mN5jqRBf5fIlrvZ34g!2e0), I was riding along in the left lane, and I noticed some people who had pulled into the oncoming lanes to turn left. Since then, I've seen several other people going the wrong way. Usually, they turn in the wrong side of a median.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: hm insulators on September 10, 2015, 04:52:22 PM
Quote from: rarnold on September 09, 2015, 09:46:03 PM
I came upon a wrong-way driver is Cedar Rapids, Iowa, right around the Quaker Oats plant on I-380. Luckily, they were going slow on the inside shoulder, and I was able to move over to the right a little and avoid them. It was the scariest moment I have had in a car.

Would the retractable tire spikes work at interchanges where this is a problem, or flashing lights that activate when a car goes the wrong way down an on-ramp or even on the mainline of the highway?

We've had a spate of wrong-way drivers here in Arizona and people are begging that tire spikes be put at the bottom of offramps (which I would like to see, myself), but authorities claim that the tire spikes are only for slow travel (such as parking lots) and are not suited for the higher speeds at the end of offramps; the cars would damage the tire spikes.

Of course, how fast are you exactly going at the end of an offramp and you're making a turn onto the intersecting street? It's not like you'll be barreling around the turn at 60 miles an hour! And if you have to wait for the light to change before turning onto the intersecting road, then again, you're not exactly going at racecar speed.

I think the real issue is more of a budget problem, but they don't want to say it, so they come up with the lame excuse about damaged tire spikes.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: Rothman on September 15, 2015, 01:44:27 PM
I was riding in a shuttle van between Salt Lake City and Idaho Falls when we encountered a wrong-way driver barreling down I-15.  He was going southbound in the northbound lanes (coming down the left lane, which he evidently thought was the right lane).

One of the more bizarre experiences I've had in a vehicle.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: Sykotyk on September 15, 2015, 03:51:46 PM
On I-88 in Illinois just east of the last interchange, it was late at night and I was in the right lane. There was a truck a few hundred feet in front of me. It was late, traffic was low. And a car just came my direction in the left lane. At first, I didn't even think anything of it (it was late). And then I said to the person with me, "That car was on our side, right? In the left lane?" They thought about it, and agreed. I called 911 to report it, they said they'd already gotten a few calls on them and hoped to catch them at the next toll booth if they couldn't get to them on the highway.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: CtrlAltDel on September 26, 2015, 01:01:23 AM
I've never seen a wrong-way driver, save a couple of people going 50 feet or so as a short cut. Except myself. I was driving in Tucson, at a place where a two-way street divides into two one-way streets, and somehow I got on the wrong one. I made it a good hundred yards before I realized what I had done, and I ended up blocking traffic for a few seconds as I did a three-point turn to face the correct way. Worse, I was chauffeuring a number of big names of my field back to their hotel. Happily, though, they were all plowed (I was stone sober) and remembered nothing the next day.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: ibagli on September 26, 2015, 04:17:01 AM
I've only seen one, on US-40 just east of Reynoldsburg, Ohio. I could see how someone unfamiliar with the area could have done it, because it wasn't well lit and there were a lot of intersections and driveways (and I don't think the private access points had any one way or divided highway signs).

It's much less likely now. The median in that stretch was removed to make a turn lane.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: vtk on September 26, 2015, 08:17:27 AM
I once encountered a WB driver in the EB lanes of US 33 on the Lancaster Bypass.

Until the transition was made smoother a few years ago, it was common for NB drivers on OH 142 to accidentally wind up in the SB lanes at the I-70 interchange at night.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: blanketcomputer on September 26, 2015, 09:19:07 AM
Quote from: hm insulators on September 10, 2015, 04:52:22 PM
We've had a spate of wrong-way drivers here in Arizona and people are begging that tire spikes be put at the bottom of offramps (which I would like to see, myself), but authorities claim that the tire spikes are only for slow travel (such as parking lots) and are not suited for the higher speeds at the end of offramps; the cars would damage the tire spikes.

Of course, how fast are you exactly going at the end of an offramp and you're making a turn onto the intersecting street? It's not like you'll be barreling around the turn at 60 miles an hour! And if you have to wait for the light to change before turning onto the intersecting road, then again, you're not exactly going at racecar speed.

I think the real issue is more of a budget problem, but they don't want to say it, so they come up with the lame excuse about damaged tire spikes.

I have read several different argument from ADOT and a few other DOTs, not just that spikes are designed for 5 mph zones. Emergency vehicles need to use exit ramps the wrong way to reach incidents. Any sort of delay would be considered unacceptable. Even if spikes where installed and had some sort of retracting system, a failure of that system could dramatically increase response times due to avoiding the spikes or taking a different route. Spikes do not necessarily immobilize or even slow down a vehicle in any reasonable distance, especially one with the inertia of a high speed. If a wrong way driver continues driving with popped or partially flat tires, another layer of danger and unpredictability is added for all drivers in the area. Tire damage is inevitably done to correct-way drivers; tires are not designed to push down large metal spikes multiple times a day at speeds over 5 mph. Damaged spikes may not retract properly and begin popping tires for correct way drivers which is certainly a hazard for all drivers in the vicinity.

ADOT has instead focused on plans that do not have any impact on correct way drivers or emergency vehicles. Including larger wrong way signs, flashing red LED wrong way signs, arrows on the pavement marking the correct direction of travel, and automatic alerting of police when wrong way vehicles are detected entering a freeway. It's easy to argue that these measures do little to detract impaired wrong way drivers, but it's also dangerous to make an already deadly driver even more deadly by popping their tires and then they continue driving an even more unpredictable weapon.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: Duke87 on September 26, 2015, 10:00:27 AM
There is a brief segment of one way street in my neighborhood that is frequently, deliberately, and consciously driven the wrong way down by completely sober drivers because it is a convenient shortcut and it's wide enough that it could be two way. In any other part of the country people would petition their government to remove the one way signs, but this is New York - we streamline the process and just declare by social consensus that it is accepted practice to ignore them.

I also recall when I was living in Connecticut there was a one way street where the intersecting street at the downstream end was closed for construction, giving drivers no legal way out. Until the construction ended it became a de facto two way street but none of the signs were changed.

But these are local streets. The only times I've encountered wrong way driving on a freeway is in cases where an accident blocks all lanes and people start escaping by exiting via the entrance ramp.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: Buffaboy on September 26, 2015, 12:59:21 PM
I'll never forget when me and my family were driving back from dinner or someplace about 4 years ago at 9/10 PM when someone was SPEEDING towards us in the wrong direction here: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7783438,-78.85641,3a,75y,231.59h,85.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smfVjIUFlyDe4USDufVGy7g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656. If my dad didn't pull off the road I would be dead.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: Zzonkmiles on September 26, 2015, 02:09:26 PM
I've only seen a wrong-way driver once. It was on a four-lane divided highway at Fort Jackson and an elderly woman made a left turn from a cross street and didn't realize the road was divided. The military police were in hot pursuit of her. Fortunately she was in the passing lane while I was in the right line of the same road, so I wouldn't have crashed into her--I think.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: kphoger on September 28, 2015, 08:31:01 AM
Wrong-way drivers are a fairly common occurrence on the one-way streets of Wichita. I've lived here since 2008, and I've seen at least three just at 1st & 2nd Streets at I-135 alone. Fortunately, most of the streets I've witnessed them on are three lanes, which gives other traffic plenty of room to maneuver around them.

I myself have turned left onto a median-divided avenue here in Wichita, not realizing it was a divided road and therefore that I was still in the near lanes. The reason was that we were fairly new to the area, and it was blizzarding outside, such that the median was completely covered with snow.

I've found myself driving the wrong way on one-way streets in Mexico a few times due to the fact that one-way signs there are less conspicuous there then here and sometimes totally absent from a particular intersection. Some of those situations could have been dicier, because the streets in that town are narrow with parallel parking, leaving only one travel lane. Fortunately, I was always able to dart in between parked cars to avoid oncoming traffic until such time as I realized my error and could turn a corner.

Back in rural northwestern Kansas, when I was in high school, I used to travel between Atwood (where I lived) and Colby with some frequency. Sometimes I would drive on the left side of the road just for fun, especially at night because the glow of headlights makes it easier to identify oncoming traffic in time to move over. I remember once driving from Colby to Atwood after dark at 115 mph in the left lane in the fog. I only had to move over a handful of times because traffic was so light.

In Mexico, I've witnessed people driving the wrong way on a divided highway on purpose several times. The reason is that crossovers for business entrances are not always conveniently placed, and so drivers sometimes go the wrong way to the nearer crossover rather than go out of their way. They usually drive on the shoulder in that scenario, but I've seen 18-wheelers do it on a highway with no shoulder at all (on a stretch of road well known for accidents).
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: silverback1065 on September 28, 2015, 09:23:05 AM
I can totally see this happening with specific interchange types, especially with folded diamonds (i think that's the official name.  Where all ramps are on one side of the road.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: cl94 on September 28, 2015, 09:55:09 AM
Quote from: upstatenyroads on September 09, 2015, 09:55:31 PM
The NYS Thruway Authority has introduced motion activated LED signs that advise motorists when they're going the wrong way down a ramp; I know that Exit 34 has this feature. I think another interchange around Buffalo also has the new signs.

I've encountered wrong way drivers twice, both on NY Route 49 where it straddles the Thruway near Utica.  They were headed EB down the WB lanes. Both times I pulled over on the shoulder to avoid collision and both times it was an elderly gentleman (but not the same one) going the wrong way.

I-190 Exit 9 on the SB side. Pretty common location because it looks like a road if you're not paying attention.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: mariethefoxy on September 28, 2015, 11:13:29 AM
There was a few infamous crashes like this in my area. There was the one on the Taconic Parkway that made national news where the woman was high on weed driving a minivan full of kids and entered the Taconic the wrong way and slammed into an SUV head on, and pretty much i think only one of the kids and one or two people from the SUV actually survived the crash.

Then someone did that on the Meadowbrook or was it the Wantagh Parkway, they were driving on the wrong side and thankfully a cop got them before they actually killed someone.That person ended up being totally drunk.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: Dr Frankenstein on September 28, 2015, 01:46:18 PM
I have never actually encountered a wrong-way driver on a divided highway. I've seen a few cases on one-way streets, and I've been one when I pulled out of a parking lot onto a one way street that wasn't signed from said parking lot (it didn't have any pavement markings, either). More recently, I may have been a wrong-way driver in a large parking lot that had all of its markings in yellow and no proper one-way signage (except arrows on the pavement at intersections with other driveways).

I've seen many people attempt to enter a gas station that I frequent through the exit, despite ample signage.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: realjd on September 28, 2015, 11:32:21 PM
CFX has installed a few test installations for camera-based wrong way driver detectors on on-ramps around Orlando. Info here: https://www.cfxway.com/Portals/0/docs/408%20Construction/CFX%20Wrong%20Way%20Driving%20and%20Prevention%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf
http://www.dot.state.fl.us/TrafficOperations/Newsletters/2015/2015-Mar.pdf

Seems like a good idea.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: davewiecking on September 29, 2015, 06:43:31 PM
Saw one this afternoon that I've seen several times before on 2 lane DE 404. Driver wished to turn left into his driveway, and needs to slow down significantly from 50 mph to avoid putting gravel in his front yard. No oncoming traffic; driver put on left turn signal, moved over into combination of oncoming traffic lane/left shoulder, allowing him to safely slow down and make a controlled turn while the rest of the westbound traffic continued uninterrupted. Bravo, said I, giving him a thumbs up as I drove past.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: corco on September 29, 2015, 07:15:27 PM
QuoteSaw one this afternoon that I've seen several times before on 2 lane DE 404. Driver wished to turn left into his driveway, and needs to slow down significantly from 50 mph to avoid putting gravel in his front yard. No oncoming traffic; driver put on left turn signal, moved over into combination of oncoming traffic lane/left shoulder, allowing him to safely slow down and make a controlled turn while the rest of the westbound traffic continued uninterrupted. Bravo, said I, giving him a thumbs up as I drove past.

At least in this part of the country, that's common practice in rural areas. People who don't do it are rude.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: Buffaboy on September 29, 2015, 08:21:16 PM
Quote from: upstatenyroads on September 09, 2015, 09:55:31 PM
The NYS Thruway Authority has introduced motion activated LED signs that advise motorists when they're going the wrong way down a ramp; I know that Exit 34 has this feature. I think another interchange around Buffalo also has the new signs.

I've encountered wrong way drivers twice, both on NY Route 49 where it straddles the Thruway near Utica.  They were headed EB down the WB lanes. Both times I pulled over on the shoulder to avoid collision and both times it was an elderly gentleman (but not the same one) going the wrong way.

incredible! My guess is they went into the wrong ramp on Leland Ave, but who knows. That's crazy.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: Duke87 on September 29, 2015, 09:27:50 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on September 26, 2015, 10:00:27 AM
There is a brief segment of one way street in my neighborhood that is frequently, deliberately, and consciously driven the wrong way down by completely sober drivers because it is a convenient shortcut and it's wide enough that it could be two way.

I was by this spot today and upon closer inspection the segment in question appears to actually be two way, although the signage is not 100% clear.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: kphoger on September 29, 2015, 09:50:39 PM
There's a street near me with a one-block segment assigned as one-way near the school. One of the residents on that street parallel parks his car along the curb facing the wrong direction. It's literally impossible for him to do so without driving the wrong way, albeit only for a few feet.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: Roadrunner75 on October 03, 2015, 05:49:46 PM
I've encountered a few wrong way drivers on divided four lane highways.  Two incidents many years ago were on the same road (US 130) a short distance from each other - once where the other driver zipped past me going the wrong way in the left lane (gave him a flash of the beams) as he continued past over a bridge and into a nearby traffic circle (fortunately late at night with light traffic).  For the other incident, I was even with him across the median traveling the same direction and honking away before he finally stopped and cut across.  Both I assume came from a nearby bar along the route that did not have a median cross-over.

Another night I was driving US 1/9 south through Elizabeth, NJ near where I-278 terminates and merges into the SB lanes.  Again, I was traveling the same direction and roughly even with the car on the other side of the divider (it appeared to be an older couple).  They were in the left oncoming lane and if I recall passed through a signal or two before they finally came upon (fortunately) a construction zone blocking the lane ahead of them and slowed down.  An officer working the lane closure suddenly pulled out and blocked them head-on, forcing them to stop.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: kphoger on October 05, 2015, 02:12:26 PM
Quote from: Dr Frankenstein on September 28, 2015, 01:46:18 PM

I've seen many people attempt to enter a gas station that I frequent through the exit, despite ample signage.

meh. private property.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: Dr Frankenstein on October 05, 2015, 02:15:40 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 05, 2015, 02:12:26 PM
Quote from: Dr Frankenstein on September 28, 2015, 01:46:18 PM

I've seen many people attempt to enter a gas station that I frequent through the exit, despite ample signage.

meh. private property.

The exit is not quite wide enough for two vehicles, and I'm waiting in that exit for a break in traffic. I have to back up to let them in and avoid an accident, because they just turned left across two lanes of oncoming traffic.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on October 06, 2015, 12:21:44 AM
Every time I drive through Texas in the areas where they have two-way frontage roads along freeways, I think about the potential for this design to allow wrong-way drivers. When I exit or enter, I'm also super-sensitive to whether drivers on the frontage road are obeying right-of-way requirements as indicated by yield signs (e.g., on the frontage road both directions at the offramp, or in the opposing direction at the onramp).

I've seen a couple, the potentially worst years ago being on U.S. 85 north of Albuquerque when it was a divided highway before the construction of I-25. I was fortunately in the right lane, and by the time I realized there was a wrong-way driver passing me it was basically over. I never heard of an accident occurring as a result of this.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: D-Dey65 on October 07, 2015, 06:24:15 PM
Quote from: SignGeek101 on September 09, 2015, 12:34:38 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a person driving wrong-way before, but I can say I have been in a car that has done it! It wasn't on a highway, just a city street though.
I recently saw someone doing just that on the northbound off ramp of I-95 at Exit 21 in South Carolina... and make a three-point U-turn there too.    :poke: :banghead: :pan:
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: davewiecking on October 10, 2015, 06:07:35 PM
Had a client on a One Way street. Used to routinely have to look both ways before crossing the street because more than once I was surprised by a car heading the wrong way. I'm not certain from the signs, but I get the impression that you're not supposed to turn right at this intersection:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dawnet.com%2Ftraffic%2Foneway.jpg&hash=351449c441abbd8cd71d78f7fb3e8f111464061f)
A traffic signal replacement project is underway along this stretch of MD355, so there are currently more One Way & No Right Turn signs than this picture shows.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: Big John on October 10, 2015, 06:32:02 PM
^^ Hope they weren't looking for the Metro entrance and ignored the other signs.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: kphoger on October 10, 2015, 09:31:05 PM
Quote from: Big John on October 10, 2015, 06:32:02 PM
^^ Hope they weren't looking for the Metro entrance and ignored the other signs.

Good point. It's probably a bad idea to post a sign giving directions to the right at a location where turning right is not allowed.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: Zzonkmiles on October 11, 2015, 01:47:20 AM
Quote from: kphoger on October 10, 2015, 09:31:05 PM
Quote from: Big John on October 10, 2015, 06:32:02 PM
^^ Hope they weren't looking for the Metro entrance and ignored the other signs.

Good point. It's probably a bad idea to post a sign giving directions to the right at a location where turning right is not allowed.

I guess that Metro sign is for pedestrians. Still, that's a horrible place to put such a sign.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: davewiecking on October 11, 2015, 06:26:30 AM
Quote from: Zzonkmiles on October 11, 2015, 01:47:20 AM
Quote from: kphoger on October 10, 2015, 09:31:05 PM
Quote from: Big John on October 10, 2015, 06:32:02 PM
^^ Hope they weren't looking for the Metro entrance and ignored the other signs.

Good point. It's probably a bad idea to post a sign giving directions to the right at a location where turning right is not allowed.

I guess that Metro sign is for pedestrians. Still, that's a horrible place to put such a sign.
Metro elevator sign is indeed for pedestrians (or for people being dropped off, who are about to be pedestrians); elevator is no more than 50' off the right side of the photo. I'm not sure how else I'd sign it, or even if I would. Then again, I know where the elevator is without the sign.
Title: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: Pete from Boston on October 11, 2015, 07:21:58 AM
I have become greatly desensitized to local-street wrong-way driving since living in the Boston area.  The local culture here definitely applies a certain "that rule is for people who don't know what they're doing" reasoning to this sort of thing.  I finally gave in when I lived in a place where the driveway was less than 100 feet down a one-way side street, and it was common practice to avoid the roundabout correct-way route by driving that 80 feet or whatever the wrong way.

This has actually been legitimized in some places, where "Do Not Enter" signs contain an addendum saying "Except [place or business a short ways in] traffic." 

On the highway, in the late 1970s or early 1980s I recall hearing of multiple nighttime incidents of this on I-84 near its intersection with 72.  The speculation was that a misleading ramp arrangement was involved, but as already noted, the primary culprit in these incidents tends to be extreme drunkenness.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: vtk on October 11, 2015, 08:41:50 AM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on October 11, 2015, 07:21:58 AM
I have become greatly desensitized to local-street wrong-way driving since living in the Boston area.  The local culture here definitely applies a certain "that rule is for people who don't know what they're doing" reasoning to this sort of thing.  I finally gave in when I lived in a place where the driveway was less than 100 feet down a one-way side street, and it was common practice to avoid the roundabout correct-way route by driving that 80 feet or whatever the wrong way.

So in the movie Ted, when the kidnappers drive the wrong way up an alley and the protagonists do the same in pursuit, this is plausible Boston behavior?
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 13, 2015, 12:25:54 PM
Quote from: mariethefoxy on September 28, 2015, 11:13:29 AM
There was a few infamous crashes like this in my area. There was the one on the Taconic Parkway that made national news where the woman was high on weed driving a minivan full of kids and entered the Taconic the wrong way and slammed into an SUV head on, and pretty much i think only one of the kids and one or two people from the SUV actually survived the crash.

That was bad.   There was a segment that aired on (I think) HBO (or maybe PBS) about that wreck.

The woman driving the minivan and the occupants of the vehicle she head-on crashed into were killed.

I do recall that one or two of the occupants of the minivan survived the wreck.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 13, 2015, 12:34:27 PM
Only one I have personally seen was on U.S. 301 (Crain Highway) at Pointer Ridge Drive in Prince George's County, Maryland at night, well before people had cell phones, so it was not really practical to report to law enforcement.  The wrong-way driver was going south in the left lane of the northbound roadway.

Here (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9074408,-76.7156263,762m/data=!3m1!1e3) on Google Maps.  Sections of the median along this section of U.S. 301 are relatively wide, and it is not always possible to see traffic moving in the other direction. 

Wrong-way incursions are relatively rare during daylight hours, much more common when it is dark (though the horrible multi-fatal wreck on the Taconic State Parkway that MarietheFoxy mentioned above happened during daylight).

Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: Zzonkmiles on November 01, 2015, 08:08:10 PM
I had a close call in Crystal City (Virginia/DC suburb) this weekend. Crystal Drive starts off as a one-way street with two lanes for two blocks or so. Then there's a traffic light after which the road has two-way traffic. Coming the opposite direction, the traffic must turn left or right at that light. I guess the driver didn't get the memo because he ended up almost crashing into me head on. Fortunately, I was in the right lane and the nondriver was in the left lane as if it were a standard two-lane road. Very scary. I didn't even honk because I didn't want to cause an already tense situation to get any more unpredictable.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: roadman65 on June 16, 2020, 09:07:30 AM
Tampa had a doozy the other day with a car on the wrong side of the road cause a truck to swerve and hit the Jersey wall and catch fire.  The truck too was carrying apple cider.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 16, 2020, 09:35:06 PM
U.S. 301 in Prince George's County, a high-speed four lane divided arterial highway, a driver headed south in the left lane of the northbound roadway.
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: jmacswimmer on June 16, 2020, 09:46:34 PM
About a month ago, a car passed me the wrong way going up this offramp from I-795 into the Owings Mills Town Center (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4045471,-76.7956028,3a,75y,88.95h,81.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spkUgEfJ_4rAM0zv00bANYQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en).  We honked and flashed our headlights, but they kept on going :wow:
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: dlsterner on June 16, 2020, 11:06:20 PM
Had a potentially scary situation several years back.  On the portion of US 301 in Maryland between the Bay Bridge and Delaware, there is a rest area here:  https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0788503,-75.9797992,736m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0788503,-75.9797992,736m/data=!3m1!1e3) which is in the median of the highway.  With enough tree growth near the southbound side to not give a clear view.

I was leaving, about to make a left turn into the southbound lane when I noticed that the car in front of me had his right turn signal on.  I furiously honked my horn and gestured for him to turn left.  Ignored me at first but finally saw me and ended up turning correctly.

I shudder to think about what may have happened had he turned right and risked a potential head-on crash at 60 mph (or higher).
Title: Re: Wrong Way Drivers
Post by: briantroutman on June 17, 2020, 11:09:19 AM
^ The situation is arguably confused by the presence of parallel local roads on either side of US 301. The separation between the southbound US 301 carriageway and White Marsh/Granny Branch Road looks like a median. And therefore at a quick glance, the driver could easily be tricked into thinking that the roadway closest to him/her is one way to the right and that the distant roadway is one way to the left.

Compounding the problem, at least according to Street View, there are no DO NOT ENTER signs posted immediately at the intersection; small ones are instead posted several hundred feet upstream. Yes, there are small ONE WAY arrows mounted atop the stop signs, but those would be easy for the motorist to overlook once he/she inches past the stop line.

I'm not an expert on the MUTCD without looking up all the relevant passages (which I don't have time to do now), but it seems to me that the traffic controls here are insufficient for the unusual configuration–if not entirely out of compliance. Given the odd arrangement (rest area in median, trees reducing sight distances, frontage roads confusing the landscape) and the prevailing traffic speeds, I think this intersection would warrant oversized freeway-spec DO NOT ENTER signs posted on either side immediately at the intersection, oversized ONE WAY arrows on both upstream sides of the intersection, and directional arrows painted on the travel lanes.