AARoads Forum

National Boards => General Highway Talk => Traffic Control => Topic started by: FreewayDan on September 26, 2015, 12:06:06 AM

Title: On Left Arrow Only
Post by: FreewayDan on September 26, 2015, 12:06:06 AM
In California, many left turn signals had been accompanied by the signage On Left Arrow Only (sometimes "On Green Arrow Only), complete with a left turn symbol and with "No U Turn" sometimes added:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3566/3373629583_d2ce435226_m.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/697Jxi)ON LEFT ARROW ONLY - NO U TURN (https://flic.kr/p/697Jxi) by Daniel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/22306412@N07/), on Flic

Some states outside of California have used On Left Arrow Only:

Nevada:
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1007142,-115.1831019,3a,44.3y,176.42h,92.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdyOaKYyFf3rzu6OucbNfuw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

Hawaii:
https://www.google.com/maps/@21.3527987,-157.9355444,3a,69.8y,11.02h,92.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_2MqdDea0QlykV-h4cxQMQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

Illinois:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9026689,-88.0836645,3a,18.3y,75.03h,89.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7iVAveI7JLTlPMy66T5C_Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

Oregon (sans the left turn symbol):
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.522406,-122.5378872,3a,20.1y,89.27h,90.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siNuZFdzf_nXgV_FSQdvLYQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Washington state:
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.4644455,-122.2622642,3a,34y,110.61h,95.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMXKf7cs1wb8MP8Y3doxnOA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

Arizona:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6110414,-112.0996489,3a,42.6y,87.22h,87.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0drKC0k68FXiXjrKshK6Rg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

Utah (with a U-Turn symbol):
https://flic.kr/p/a12Q48

What other states had used On Left Arrow Only to sign left turn signals?
Title: Re: On Left Arrow Only
Post by: Brandon on September 26, 2015, 12:34:12 AM
Quote from: FreewayDan on September 26, 2015, 12:06:06 AM
Illinois:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9026689,-88.0836645,3a,18.3y,75.03h,89.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7iVAveI7JLTlPMy66T5C_Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

This is far more common in Illinois: https://goo.gl/maps/G8uioRDayxu
Title: Re: On Left Arrow Only
Post by: FreewayDan on September 26, 2015, 12:53:54 AM
Quote from: Brandon on September 26, 2015, 12:34:12 AM
Quote from: FreewayDan on September 26, 2015, 12:06:06 AM
Illinois:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9026689,-88.0836645,3a,18.3y,75.03h,89.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7iVAveI7JLTlPMy66T5C_Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

This is far more common in Illinois: https://goo.gl/maps/G8uioRDayxu

I not counting "Left on Green Arrow Only".  I'm asking about "On Left Arrow Only" that's been used in California.
Title: Re: On Left Arrow Only
Post by: roadfro on September 28, 2015, 03:11:16 AM
Quote from: FreewayDan on September 26, 2015, 12:06:06 AM
In California, many left turn signals had been accompanied by the signage On Left Arrow Only (sometimes "On Green Arrow Only), complete with a left turn symbol and with "No U Turn" sometimes added:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3566/3373629583_d2ce435226_m.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/697Jxi)ON LEFT ARROW ONLY - NO U TURN (https://flic.kr/p/697Jxi) by Daniel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/22306412@N07/), on Flic

Some states outside of California have used On Left Arrow Only:

Nevada:
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1007142,-115.1831019,3a,44.3y,176.42h,92.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdyOaKYyFf3rzu6OucbNfuw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

This phrase is still a very commonly appearance in Nevada. Sign code RNV1-3 in NDOT's Highway Sign Supplement includes the text "On Left Arrow Only" underneath a pair of left/U and left arrows. This sign is commonly installed at double-left turns, even at several signals not on NDOT-maintained roads.

Signs like the Nevada example (double left arrow with "On Left Arrow Only" and supplemental "No U Turn" plaque below) are no longer installed at double left turn lanes. The current practice favors the RNV1-1 standard sign (double left arrow with "ONLY" text) next to a symbolic "No U Turn" sign.




One issue I have with the "On Left Arrow Only" text is that Nevada uses all-arrow left turn signal displays at most of it's signalized left turns (and all new left turn signal installations for the past 20+ years). It would make more sense if the standard sign were changed to say "On Green Arrow Only", since the turn signal also includes red and yellow left arrows. ("On Left Arrow Only" seems to be a holdover from early days of left arrows, when it was more common to see a display with a green arrow and red/yellow balls.)
Title: Re: On Left Arrow Only
Post by: FreewayDan on September 28, 2015, 03:39:09 PM
Quote from: roadfro on September 28, 2015, 03:11:16 AM
One issue I have with the "On Left Arrow Only" text is that Nevada uses all-arrow left turn signal displays at most of it's signalized left turns (and all new left turn signal installations for the past 20+ years). It would make more sense if the standard sign were changed to say "On Green Arrow Only", since the turn signal also includes red and yellow left arrows. ("On Left Arrow Only" seems to be a holdover from early days of left arrows, when it was more common to see a display with a green arrow and red/yellow balls.)

I feel that same way too in regards to your issue.  With "On Left Arrow Only", that was when 3M Programmable Visibility Signals were utilized for left turn signals.

Here is what signs should really say (with a little Photoshop involved):
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQBXncnU8AA8HDh.png)