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Title: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: Buffaboy on October 01, 2015, 10:18:54 PM
So this thread is different from the one I made about the highways that begin from surface streets. I'm talking about stuff like this in Springfield, IL:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FlcbZBNR.png&hash=ce317ce1b7e744a20447053e685a1c3ddc50f1bf)

or this in Sacramento, CA:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FGOuowhz.jpg&hash=26579fced5f4389b01f0e7a68d1c1598455ef27a)

or this one in Amherst, NY:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FAOzsOYk.jpg&hash=024f58491940eebe2e3fc9c49f57612a0acc2b77)

So are they stubs that couldn't be developed because of opposition or stubs waiting for future development? And if you have any can you post them?
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: kphoger on October 01, 2015, 10:57:57 PM
What's up with the interchange of the Avenue of the Saints with I-35 in northern Iowa? Was that expected to be a full cloverleaf at some point?
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: SD Mapman on October 01, 2015, 11:10:58 PM
Anamosa Street in Rapid City and Benson Road is Sioux Falls. The development just hasn't got there yet.
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: pumpkineater2 on October 01, 2015, 11:57:44 PM
The Phoenix area is filled with streets like these. They are mostly in the outer part of the metro area.
Though I think most of the ones here will eventually be extended, but I don't see that happening for these ones anytime soon:

https://goo.gl/maps/SZx3JMhrhN82 (https://goo.gl/maps/SZx3JMhrhN82)

https://goo.gl/maps/xbVwmNehU3P2 (https://goo.gl/maps/xbVwmNehU3P2)

https://goo.gl/maps/d86qokCYv222 (https://goo.gl/maps/d86qokCYv222)

I like this one https://goo.gl/maps/bMtxYrwpEkx (https://goo.gl/maps/bMtxYrwpEkx)
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: peterj920 on October 02, 2015, 01:35:09 AM
Here is a former trumpet interchange at Wis 158/I-94 being constructed with a diamond interchange that allows for Wis 158 to be extended to the west in the future in Kenosha, WI.

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5897961,-87.9522996,652m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

Here is the US 151 and Wis 26 North Interchange in Waupun, WI.  There haven't been any official announcements on extending the road south but the interchange was built unusually large for a south extension.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.659453,-88.681111,1278m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

US 12 and Parameter St in Middleton, WI.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1258335,-89.5120456,1315m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

US 18/151 and Business 18/151 in Mount Horeb

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0043653,-89.7025759,336m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

US 41 and Business 41 in Peshtigo, WI

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.0583916,-87.7130586,1214m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

Wis 26 and Business 26 in Fort Aktinson, WI

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9532266,-88.8302889,631m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: briantroutman on October 02, 2015, 02:42:00 AM
I was meaning to post this some time ago but never got around to it.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/569/21853959056_75273c4755_b.jpg)

If you can't read it, the sign text says "THIS STREET PLANNED TO BE EXTENDED" –which struck me as a somewhat unusual piece of information to communicate in this way. I took the picture from an Amtrak train stopped at the Martinez, CA station.

The street isn't shown on Google or Bing aerial photos–both of which show the parcel to be sort of a brownfield site of quonset huts and aging asphalt (http://binged.it/1jCfN6b). Apple Maps photography shows that only the larger buildings remain and that this "street"  is actually a parking lot exit that will in the future connect to Berrellesa Street.
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: froggie on October 02, 2015, 11:24:23 AM
QuoteWhat's up with the interchange of the Avenue of the Saints with I-35 in northern Iowa? Was that expected to be a full cloverleaf at some point?

Yes.  IADOT proposed a Clear Lake bypass for US 18 at one point but never got around to it.
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: TheStranger on October 02, 2015, 11:41:40 AM
Chynoweth Avenue in San Jose has three distinct segments (and plans do exist for a bridge to connect at least two of them, though they don't seem to be happening in the immediate future) -

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Chynoweth+Ave,+San+Jose,+CA/@37.2585733,-121.859895,15.5z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x808e32264a5f8e2b:0xf13a0ed2286c4d5d

Oak Avenue Parkway is in two segments in Folsom with some of the right of way that would have connected them currently being used for a park https://www.google.com/maps/place/Oak+Ave+Pkwy,+Folsom,+CA+95630/@38.6832744,-121.1579665,2312m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x809ae410bc27693f:0x9f5cd137372bde2b

Blacow Road in Fremont is almost entirely continuous, save for an unbuilt crossing of railroad tracks near Osgood Road:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Blacow+Rd+%26+Osgood+Rd,+Fremont,+CA+94539/@37.5255029,-121.9496112,622m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x808fc729adbc56f9:0xad689f4142c07036!6m1!1e1

Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: blanketcomputer on October 02, 2015, 12:08:42 PM
Quote from: pumpkineater2 on October 01, 2015, 11:57:44 PM
The Phoenix area is filled with streets like these. They are mostly in the outer part of the metro area.
Though I think most of the ones here will eventually be extended, but I don't see that happening for these ones anytime soon:

https://goo.gl/maps/SZx3JMhrhN82 (https://goo.gl/maps/SZx3JMhrhN82)

https://goo.gl/maps/xbVwmNehU3P2 (https://goo.gl/maps/xbVwmNehU3P2)

https://goo.gl/maps/d86qokCYv222 (https://goo.gl/maps/d86qokCYv222)

I like this one https://goo.gl/maps/bMtxYrwpEkx (https://goo.gl/maps/bMtxYrwpEkx)

64th St has been open south of Loop 101 for a few months now, still leaving a stub to the north. The interchange is controlled by stop signs.

The last one, Willis Rd and 40th St in the Gila River Indian Community, will be extended in the next few years as the construction of the South Mountain Freeway starts. GRIC has plans for developing this area in the near future.

There are many stubs to the north of Loop 202 Red Mountain (Val Vista, Greenfield, Higley), though none of these are planned to go over the Salt River and connect with the Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian Community or SR-87.
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: Henry on October 02, 2015, 01:09:26 PM
I'd say that surface road stubs are more annoying than freeway/expressway ones.
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: mapman1071 on October 02, 2015, 10:45:35 PM
Quote from: blanketcomputer on October 02, 2015, 12:08:42 PM
Quote from: pumpkineater2 on October 01, 2015, 11:57:44 PM
The Phoenix area is filled with streets like these. They are mostly in the outer part of the metro area.
Though I think most of the ones here will eventually be extended, but I don't see that happening for these ones anytime soon:

https://goo.gl/maps/SZx3JMhrhN82 (https://goo.gl/maps/SZx3JMhrhN82)

https://goo.gl/maps/xbVwmNehU3P2 (https://goo.gl/maps/xbVwmNehU3P2)

https://goo.gl/maps/d86qokCYv222 (https://goo.gl/maps/d86qokCYv222)

I like this one https://goo.gl/maps/bMtxYrwpEkx (https://goo.gl/maps/bMtxYrwpEkx)

64th St has been open south of Loop 101 for a few months now, still leaving a stub to the north. The interchange is controlled by stop signs.

The last one, Willis Rd and 40th St in the Gila River Indian Community, will be extended in the next few years as the construction of the South Mountain Freeway starts. GRIC has plans for developing this area in the near future.

There are many stubs to the north of Loop 202 Red Mountain (Val Vista, Greenfield, Higley), though none of these are planned to go over the Salt River and connect with the Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian Community or SR-87.

ADOT Has in Metro Phoenix Constructed Ghost Interchanges at the Mile Major Streets on the I-17 (North Phoenix), Loop 202 Red Mountain (Salt River Nation, Mesa) and Loop 303 (Surprise, (Peoria & Phoenix T - Diamond & Provisions for Diamond with No Cross Street or Freeway Overpass (Traffic is diverted off freeway using ramps) ).
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: UCFKnights on October 03, 2015, 12:51:00 AM
Orlando's got both sides of its innovation way roadway:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Orlando,+FL/@28.4468363,-81.1663067,3063m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x88e773d8fecdbc77:0xac3b2063ca5bf9e!6m1!1e1 (they're also about to build another interchange there on innovation way)

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Orlando,+FL/@28.4270275,-81.2270044,766m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x88e773d8fecdbc77:0xac3b2063ca5bf9e!6m1!1e1

Lee Vista is also supposed to eventually connect as well from the same area
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Orlando,+FL/@28.4777703,-81.238347,191m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x88e773d8fecdbc77:0xac3b2063ca5bf9e!6m1!1e1


West side of town has a bunch too:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Orlando,+FL/@28.3768775,-81.6193659,1532m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x88e773d8fecdbc77:0xac3b2063ca5bf9e!6m1!1e1
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: vtk on October 04, 2015, 06:34:37 AM
East end of Zollinger Rd in Upper Arlington, Ohio is at the corner of farmland owned by The Ohio State University, and roughly in line with Ackerman Rd about a mile farther east. The "A—Z Connector" has been proposed in recent years, but due to NIMBYism from residents on the north side of the route, and confusion over which local governments want it built and/or have standing to propose it, MORPC dropped the proposal a few years ago. (I re-suggested it this year as part of the community input phase of developing the next iteration of the transportation plan.)
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: mrsman on October 04, 2015, 12:27:59 PM
One street stub that I always thought had a planned stub was Airport Blvd in Los Angeles.

Airport Blvd is a north-south street about 1/2 mile east of Sepulveda.  South of La Tijera, it's a fairly important street leading to rental car agencies, and of course, the Airport.  (Before the 1960's the main terminal at LAX was reached right from Airport Blvd.  Now, all of the passenger terminals are west of Sepulveda and are reached by taking Airport to 96th or Century.) 

North of La Tijera, Airport Blvd continues as a residential street ending at a cul de sac just north of 74th street.  The thing is -- even the residential part of Airport is fairly wide.  It seems as though Airport would have been a perfect street to connect north to the Howard Hughes center or maybe even toward Centinela.  But it seems that the neighbors did not want all the through traffic that an extension would bring, so it was never extended.   
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: freebrickproductions on October 04, 2015, 12:40:50 PM
There are tons of them here in Huntsville in Research Park. There are a few others around the city as well.
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: Revive 755 on October 04, 2015, 12:57:11 PM
* MO 100 at the western I-44 interchange at Gray Summit (Exit 251) (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.4745535,-90.8491871,3a,75y,177.09h,81.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFgy_6fixbHAMrtRMWxxmLA!2e0!7i3328!8i1664?hl=en).  Certainly looks like there was a small amount of grading done for a future extension.
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on October 04, 2015, 02:07:55 PM
As part of a plan to construct a freeway from downtown St. Paul to the east along what was then MN-212, Minnesota DOT re-routed 212 from its routing along Stillwater Blvd. in Lake Elmo and constructed a new highway west from there to MN-120. There it stands; in the photo below, there is now a development at the intersection of 120 and former 212*, but at one time there was a stub where the highway would have continued across Maplewood to St. Paul, bending southwestward. As telling as the stub, consider that here a divided highway ends at a two-lane road.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Maplewood,+MN/@44.9975471,-92.9831904,598m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x52b2d4817ee3ae11:0x8dcdacaf7dbdee8d

To appreciate the magnitude of the rerouting, here's the map that shows how the rerouting eliminated a straight route along 212 from St. Paul into Lake Elmo, and put a jog in it along 120 that would have been temporary, except that the connecting highway into St. Paul was never built.
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.9823071,-92.9603058,4786m/data=!3m1!1e3

*212 was redesignated as MN-5 in the 1980s, and recently the segment east of MN-120 was turned back to Washington County.

Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: cappicard on October 05, 2015, 09:02:15 AM
Bruce R. Watkins Drive (US 71) between 87th St and Swope Parkway.  It's built with a very wide median for those three intersections (to allow for any possible conversion to interchanges).  Unfortunately, I-49 won't be extended past the Triangle any time soon.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/39.0336742,-94.5534261/38.9976939,-94.5560373/@39.000485,-94.5530808,15z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: cappicard on October 05, 2015, 09:13:44 AM
In Lenexa/Olathe, Ridgeview Rd was recently converted into a DDI over K-10. There are now proposals to extend Ridgeview north to Prairie Star Parkway. I personally oppose this proposal due to caves being near by, and this is a residential district (I live not too far from this area). The proposal includes building indoor soccer fields in this area along what would be Ridgeview Rd north.

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.941276,-94.796786,464m/data=!3m1!1e3

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9555481,-94.7978477,334m/data=!3m1!1e3
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: cl94 on October 05, 2015, 01:26:47 PM
The I-990 example listed by OP was intended to continue to CR 299 a short distance north. It was canceled for environmental reasons. In all honesty, unless CR 299 gets widened, an extension would make traffic in the area worse than it already is.
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: PHLBOS on October 06, 2015, 10:22:18 AM
Along US 1 southbound in Concordville, PA (southwest of the US 202/322 intersection) (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Concordville,+PA/@39.8798927,-75.5502299,509m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x89c6eff89775c0d5:0x94166a3d1798db42!6m1!1e1)

Not sure whether this stub was supposed to be a ramp or a glorified driveway.
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: roadman65 on October 06, 2015, 06:37:03 PM
Poinciana Boulevard in Kissimmee, FL dead ends at the WB Osceola Parkway off ramp for FL 535.  The road was made two ways, but only SB Poinciana is currently being used north of FL 535.  I do not know if they ever will extend it northward in this century, but its supposed to connect with International Drive in Orlando if they ever build it.  In fact an empty underpass sits on FL 417 east of FL 535 to allow for it to cross under it.
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: TheStranger on October 07, 2015, 07:27:37 AM
From the original post: Airport Boulevard in Sacramento has had a proposal for a southward extension to south Natomas though I don't know if that is going to happen anytime soon.

In Roseville/Citrus Heights, I've often wondered what the deal with the incomplete North Cirby Way is:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/N+Cirby+Way+%26+Samoa+Way,+Roseville,+CA+95661/@38.7299484,-121.2478745,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x809ae01c6458112f:0x85dcaaf399e46ade

Elverta Road looks like it is supposed to eventually end at Antelope Road in Antelope, but the final easternmost block has yet to be constructed:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Antelope,+CA+95843/@38.70552,-121.3515504,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x809b20aaffd04c5b:0x8549c5f3d5cdc2b5

Los Angeles's Whitnall Highway (through the San Fernando Valley) is a 1930s example of this concept (planned thoroughfare never completed to full extent) and in Chicago, Ogden Avenue's furthest extension has been cut back and closed over time.
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: Billy F 1988 on October 08, 2015, 12:17:21 AM
This is Olery St and Union Pacific Street in Missoula's Northside area. There was supposed to be a street to connect Mullan Road, but a lot of pushback between county officials, citizens and contractors left this roundabout virtually pointless.
https://goo.gl/maps/K3emvu8sMBt
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: cappicard on October 08, 2015, 09:50:29 AM
This is 87th Street Parkway just west of Renner Boulevard in Lenexa, Kansas.

It's the somewhat infamous Lenexa City Center project. There are stubs for Winchester Ave, Elmridge St, Penrose Ln, and I believe Harbinger St (the easternmost unnamed street).

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9702516,-94.7842633,275m/data=!3m1!1e3
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: TheStranger on October 08, 2015, 11:32:40 AM
Quote from: cappicard on October 08, 2015, 09:50:29 AM
This is 87th Street Parkway just west of Renner Boulevard in Lenexa, Kansas.

It's the somewhat infamous Lenexa City Center project. There are stubs for Winchester Ave, Elmridge St, Penrose Ln, and I believe Harbinger St (the easternmost unnamed street).

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9702516,-94.7842633,275m/data=!3m1!1e3

Here's a nice little article on how the project has come to fruition in recent times after approximately 35 years of planning:
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/community/joco-913/shawnee-lenexa/article29988093.html
Title: Re: Surface street/boulevard stubs that might/might not be planned for continuation
Post by: cappicard on October 08, 2015, 11:39:12 AM
Quote from: TheStranger on October 08, 2015, 11:32:40 AM
Quote from: cappicard on October 08, 2015, 09:50:29 AM
This is 87th Street Parkway just west of Renner Boulevard in Lenexa, Kansas.

It's the somewhat infamous Lenexa City Center project. There are stubs for Winchester Ave, Elmridge St, Penrose Ln, and I believe Harbinger St (the easternmost unnamed street).

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9702516,-94.7842633,275m/data=!3m1!1e3

Here's a nice little article on how the project has come to fruition in recent times after approximately 35 years of planning:
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/community/joco-913/shawnee-lenexa/article29988093.html
I've read that a while back.

My main concern is Lenexa and other area cities' love of TIFs to fund these projects. Case in point is The Legends in KCK. The Legends itself went into foreclosure in 2012. Backfire Barbecue (bike chopper-themed BBQ joint at The Legends) also accepted credits and it went out of business two years ago.

Enough of this tangent. :)