We all have often complained here numerous times before about "Pascagoula" being used for I-10 west out of Mobile instead of NOLA or Biloxi as that said control city is not that big compared to the others along the way. Furthermore, LADOTD uses "Bay St. Louis" at the I-12 and I-59 interchange for I-10 east instead of Mobile or Biloxi as well. All of course are remnants of when I-10 was not fully completed in Mississippi, that those two cities were chosen.
I noticed that the same is for "Netcong" in New Jersey on I-80 which seems to give some of us here indigestion. Why is it used over Dover or even the Delaware Water Gap in some places? Well the same goes here if you read about I-80 being constructed in Morris County. The section from US 206 (or US 46) in Netcong to US 46 in Denville was the first part of I-80 in NJ to be built as early as 1957 or circa. The "Netcong" was most likely used because it ended there as the section from Netcong to Columbia was opened in the mid 70's to traffic.
Another scenario is the fact that "Los Angeles" is used in Arizona on I-40 west ramps and pull throughs west of Flagstaff and is also used in Nevada for I-15 Southbound ramp signs from Las Vegas southward. Here is another situation that history plays a role in it, but not the same as both I-15 and I-40 do not go anywhere near LA. It the fact that US 66 and US 91 both went to LA before they were decommissioned and both Arizona and Nevada respected the old US routes control cities very much and transferred over the same guide sign practices when the freeways were built.
Then you have the exit guides for US routes or even state routes that got replaced by freeways that the guide signs were not changed to reflect the new roads laid out. Examples include the US 46 exit southbound on I-287 in Parsippany- Troy Hills, NJ which uses "Clifton" and "Dover" for the US highway that once was the main corridor that I-80 took over. When I-80 opened for traffic in the early 70's there NJDOT never payed it any mind and just kept it like they did further south for US 22 when I-78 got finally completed through the infamous Watchung Reservation in 1986 after years of legal issues preventing it from being completed in 1972 as originally planned. "New York" was signed for I-287 east to direct motorists to NYC from I-287 because I-78 was not a through route then, however at least somewhat NJDOT corrected it since by changing it over to "Newark" just recently (although I would choose Green Brook myself instead of Newark even).
Also "Easton" is still used on parts of I-78 going WB in some locations which is used because for several decades I-78 ended in Greenwich at present day Exit 3 and to continue west into PA one had to follow US 22 then. Of course we all know US 22 actually goes there after crossing the Delaware River just four miles west of where I-78 used to end. Of course now, I-78 does have an exit to Easton just west of the Delaware River Crossing, but given if the entire I-78 was completed from end to end in the early 1960's we might have the control city for "Allentown" instead of Easton back then. I-78 is a few miles from Downtown Easton and you have much bigger Allentown nearby.
Any other instances where a control city is still used that is there because the current freeway was not yet completed someplace else, or where a control city is picked because of the road it replaced?
Quote from: roadman65 on December 13, 2015, 03:57:29 PM
I noticed that the same is for "Netcong" in New Jersey on I-80 which seems to give some of us here indigestion. Why is it used over Dover or even the Delaware Water Gap in some places?
If they sign it for Dover, some people will think it's the way to Dover, DE.
Was "Delaware Water Gap" signed on 80 from the beginning?
I-565 still has several signs along it that have blank spots where AL 20 shields (and appropriate cardinal directions) were. There are also plenty of signs that have green-out over the cardinal directions where they changed the Interstate was changed from being signed as North/South to being signed as East/West. In fact, this sign on I-65 before the I-565 interchange still has some of the old cardinal direction visible due to the green-out not being centered properly:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.6328525,-86.9023921,3a,18.7y,179.18h,97.48t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1seHgYhpSnb3O-Ny04ZhL07A!2e0
I probably posted these somewhere else, but they fit here too:
I-75 approaching the Glendale-Milford Rd exit in both directions has signs with either a blank space at the top, or they have street names patched on where an OH 126 shield would have gone. I found a 1996 Cincinnati map that showed that stretch of roadway labeled as such.
I-75 SB:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3919/15013520382_d12baec7ba.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oSGdxG)P1160502 (https://flic.kr/p/oSGdxG) by Ryan busman_49 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/busman_49/), on Flickr
I-75 SB:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3898/15013885425_1d6146d396.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oSJ64x)P1160504 (https://flic.kr/p/oSJ64x) by Ryan busman_49 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/busman_49/), on Flickr
I-75 NB:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3885/15013519262_6aa56ba451.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oSGddo)P1160507 (https://flic.kr/p/oSGddo) by Ryan busman_49 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/busman_49/), on Flickr
I-75 NB:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5579/14827247400_6a5890a947.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oAew5y)P1160510 (https://flic.kr/p/oAew5y) by Ryan busman_49 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/busman_49/), on Flickr
(I have a couple of extra photos in my Flickr album, but these were the better ones)
I-80 was originally US 48, which went into New York City, hence the use of NYC as a control city. And US 91 used to go from Long Beach north along US 6 to Los Angeles (AASHTO denied a continuation to Provincetown), hence the use of LA.
Or not. Sometimes a control city is just a logical control city.
There's a sign on this forum that at the I-15/I-40 interchange, there's actually patches and a blank space next to I-40 East. Under that patch could've been US 91 South San Diego and US 66 East Needles. Then it could have been I-40/US 66 East Needles. I believe there's three signs with the patch at the split on I-15 SB, and a patch on I-40 WB.
Northbound I-77 in North Carolina has a control city of Elkin. I understand this dates back to before I-77 was being built.
Quote from: 1 on December 13, 2015, 05:05:46 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 13, 2015, 03:57:29 PM
I noticed that the same is for "Netcong" in New Jersey on I-80 which seems to give some of us here indigestion. Why is it used over Dover or even the Delaware Water Gap in some places?
If they sign it for Dover, some people will think it's the way to Dover, DE.
Doubtful. Dover, NJ isn't remotely close to Dover, DE.
If that was the case, then we can't sign Washington at all, because it could mean a random town, the DC city, or the state. Philadelphia, MS couldn't be signed. Georgia, NJ wouldn't be permitted either. And there's numerous Newarks, among other towns throughout the country.
Quote from: jbnati27 on December 14, 2015, 06:22:34 PM
Northbound I-77 in North Carolina has a control city of Elkin. I understand this dates back to before I-77 was being built.
Is Elkin not a control city from Statesville? I also remember when I77 had a gap from Elkin to VA. You had to use US 21 instead
Speaking of North Carolina, the Upper Connector
I'd say these two from the Gilmore Bridge in Boston. They used to have I-95 shields on them when I-95 was routed east onto US-1.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/705/23486847690_d322237f9d_c.jpg)
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5706/23155730753_246a650ab6_c.jpg)
New signs for I-77 on I-40 in Statesville are showing Wytheville, VA, as a control city, rather than Elkin.
Quote from: kendancy66 on December 14, 2015, 11:33:03 PM
Quote from: jbnati27 on December 14, 2015, 06:22:34 PM
Northbound I-77 in North Carolina has a control city of Elkin. I understand this dates back to before I-77 was being built.
Is Elkin not a control city from Statesville? I also remember when I77 had a gap from Elkin to VA. You had to use US 21 instead
When the new I-40/77 interchange goes up, the signs will say Wytheville instead of Elkin.
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on December 16, 2015, 12:32:05 AM
I'd say these two from the Gilmore Bridge in Boston. They used to have I-95 shields on them when I-95 was routed east onto US-1.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/705/23486847690_d322237f9d_c.jpg)
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5706/23155730753_246a650ab6_c.jpg)
Both of the above-pics are of the same sign(s); which date back to the early 70s... when I-95
was the Northeast Expressway & Tobin Bridge and was planned to be built east
of US 1 (between current Exit 46 and the MA 60 interchanges in Saugus). The shields were removed circa 1975.
Quote from: NE2 on December 14, 2015, 03:26:15 PM
I-80 was originally US 48, which went into New York City, hence the use of NYC as a control city. And US 91 used to go from Long Beach north along US 6 to Los Angeles (AASHTO denied a continuation to Provincetown), hence the use of LA.
Or not. Sometimes a control city is just a logical control city.
US 48? Or do you mean US 46?
Until recently, there were old text-only button-copy signs on Merrick Road (Nassau CR 27) in Seaford that gave the northern terminus of NY 135 as Oyster Bay, since that's where it was originally supposed to go. They have been replaced, though.
Also, Central Drive (Rockland CR 106) in Stony Point has street signs that read "Route 210," even though the NY 210 designation on there was decommissioned decades ago.
This sign is at the eastern terminus of MN 97 north of Stillwater, MN. The age of the sign and the awkward placement of the I-35 shield make me wonder if there used to be another shield alongside the I-35 one, although I'm not sure what it could have been; US 8 maybe, before that route was decommissioned south of Forest Lake?
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/10995650_395379750646646_96577533694487332_n.jpg?oh=aa0b238d448b174fc127e46be972f4fe&oe=56DCE673)
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 17, 2015, 09:03:33 AM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on December 16, 2015, 12:32:05 AM
I'd say these two from the Gilmore Bridge in Boston. They used to have I-95 shields on them when I-95 was routed east onto US-1.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/705/23486847690_d322237f9d_c.jpg)
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5706/23155730753_246a650ab6_c.jpg)
Both of the above-pics are of the same sign(s); which date back to the early 70s... when I-95 was the Northeast Expressway & Tobin Bridge and was planned to be built east of US 1 (between current Exit 46 and the MA 60 interchanges in Saugus). The shields were removed circa 1975.
And the elevated Central Artery as well - which briefly sported I-95 confirmatory shields in the late 1960s.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 17, 2015, 10:49:16 AM
This sign is at the eastern terminus of MN 97 north of Stillwater, MN. The age of the sign and the awkward placement of the I-35 shield make me wonder if there used to be another shield alongside the I-35 one, although I'm not sure what it could have been; US 8 maybe, before that route was decommissioned south of Forest Lake?
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/10995650_395379750646646_96577533694487332_n.jpg?oh=aa0b238d448b174fc127e46be972f4fe&oe=56DCE673)
Do you have a closeup of that sign? I can't make out anything.
Quote from: noelbotevera on December 17, 2015, 03:23:06 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 17, 2015, 10:49:16 AM
This sign is at the eastern terminus of MN 97 north of Stillwater, MN. The age of the sign and the awkward placement of the I-35 shield make me wonder if there used to be another shield alongside the I-35 one, although I'm not sure what it could have been; US 8 maybe, before that route was decommissioned south of Forest Lake?
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Do you have a closeup of that sign? I can't make out anything.
Can you explain what you're looking for? I guess I don't understand what you're unable to make out.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 17, 2015, 03:57:56 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on December 17, 2015, 03:23:06 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 17, 2015, 10:49:16 AM
This sign is at the eastern terminus of MN 97 north of Stillwater, MN. The age of the sign and the awkward placement of the I-35 shield make me wonder if there used to be another shield alongside the I-35 one, although I'm not sure what it could have been; US 8 maybe, before that route was decommissioned south of Forest Lake?
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Do you have a closeup of that sign? I can't make out anything.
Can you explain what you're looking for? I guess I don't understand what you're unable to make out.
What's under the I-35 shield. Usually there'd be a point if there would be a US shield under there (the point in the crown).
Quote from: dgolub on December 17, 2015, 09:29:04 AM
Quote from: NE2 on December 14, 2015, 03:26:15 PM
I-80 was originally US 48, which went into New York City, hence the use of NYC as a control city. And US 91 used to go from Long Beach north along US 6 to Los Angeles (AASHTO denied a continuation to Provincetown), hence the use of LA.
Or not. Sometimes a control city is just a logical control city.
US 48? Or do you mean US 46?
I mean the premise of this thread is flawed.
Quote from: roadman on December 17, 2015, 12:22:09 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 17, 2015, 09:03:33 AM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on December 16, 2015, 12:32:05 AM
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/705/23486847690_d322237f9d_c.jpg)
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5706/23155730753_246a650ab6_c.jpg)
Both of the above-pics are of the same sign(s); which date back to the early 70s... when I-95 was the Northeast Expressway & Tobin Bridge and was planned to be built east of US 1 (between current Exit 46 and the MA 60 interchanges in Saugus). The shields were removed circa 1975.
And the elevated Central Artery as well - which briefly sported I-95 confirmatory shields in the late 1960s.
I believe the OP's intent for this thread is list/show such signs that
are still standing today.
The only confrimatory I-95 shields I recall seeing on the actual Central Artery south of the old I-93 split were composite
TO SOUTH 95/white background trailblazers placed along the southbound side between the Storrow Drive & Callahan Tunnel interchanges. Were those the ones you were referring to? Note: I'm well aware about the early 70s vintage overhead BGS' at the I-93 interchange and the older wooden
95 SOUTH BGS at the old Charlestown interchange (that remained until the late 80s).
This one is pretty obvious:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7454/16390496537_875e3fea5d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qYnzzT)
US 99 shield at 1st & Columbia (https://flic.kr/p/qYnzzT) by SounderBruce (https://www.flickr.com/photos/sounderbruce/), on Flickr
Quote from: Bruce on December 19, 2015, 05:31:13 PM
This one is pretty obvious:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7454/16390496537_875e3fea5d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qYnzzT)
US 99 shield at 1st & Columbia (https://flic.kr/p/qYnzzT) by SounderBruce (https://www.flickr.com/photos/sounderbruce/), on Flickr
How that sign has escaped replacement for the last 45 years is beyond me. That has to be the best of the best of the best of signs.
https://goo.gl/maps/s6LwukFvkiN2
This sign is on the Anthony Wayne Trail (OH-25) coming into downtown Toledo. You can see the outline of one U.S. shield on the sign in the picture but if you drive by it, there are two U.S. shield outlines. The outlines were US-24 and US-223. US-24 was signed on the Trail until 1987 and used Monroe Street to head north to Telegraph Road, by way of Monroe, Collingwood and Detroit. US-223 was replaced by OH-51 in 1987.
I'm hoping against hope that when the viaduct is replaced, the US 99 sign will be relocated instead of scrapped.
Quote from: thefraze_1020 on December 27, 2015, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: Bruce on December 19, 2015, 05:31:13 PM
This one is pretty obvious:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7454/16390496537_875e3fea5d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qYnzzT)
US 99 shield at 1st & Columbia (https://flic.kr/p/qYnzzT) by SounderBruce (https://www.flickr.com/photos/sounderbruce/), on Flickr
How that sign has escaped replacement for the last 45 years is beyond me. That has to be the best of the best of the best of signs.
Something tells me there's some roadgeek SDOT employees who hold just enough power at City Hall to keep the sign from coming down.
Quote from: kurumi on December 28, 2015, 01:03:34 AM
I'm hoping against hope that when the viaduct is replaced, the US 99 sign will be relocated instead of scrapped.
As highly unlikely as that sounds, I think there's a
small tiny basically nonexistent chance it could end up at the north tunnel portal. Maybe if we all petition SDOT/WSDOT?
How about signs that stay up even after the road is removed?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1028.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy348%2Fhbelkins%2FKY%2520169%2520in%2520grass_zps6915dvcu.jpg&hash=b5cf5839a522a3d06680c6ea770c0933a011e137)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1028.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy348%2Fhbelkins%2FIMG_1265_zpsrd6arrlf.jpg&hash=c3c549c5d7ca57c62a5034a0801a32aab380ea50)
Quote from: hbelkins on February 03, 2016, 10:28:59 PM
How about signs that stay up even after the road is removed?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1028.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy348%2Fhbelkins%2FKY%2520169%2520in%2520grass_zps6915dvcu.jpg&hash=b5cf5839a522a3d06680c6ea770c0933a011e137)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1028.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy348%2Fhbelkins%2FIMG_1265_zpsrd6arrlf.jpg&hash=c3c549c5d7ca57c62a5034a0801a32aab380ea50)
Isn't there a thread specifically on that?
Quote from: jakeroot on December 28, 2015, 04:29:42 AM
Quote from: thefraze_1020 on December 27, 2015, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: Bruce on December 19, 2015, 05:31:13 PM
This one is pretty obvious:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7454/16390496537_875e3fea5d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qYnzzT)
US 99 shield at 1st & Columbia (https://flic.kr/p/qYnzzT) by SounderBruce (https://www.flickr.com/photos/sounderbruce/), on Flickr
How that sign has escaped replacement for the last 45 years is beyond me. That has to be the best of the best of the best of signs.
Something tells me there's some roadgeek SDOT employees who hold just enough power at City Hall to keep the sign from coming down.
Quote from: kurumi on December 28, 2015, 01:03:34 AM
I'm hoping against hope that when the viaduct is replaced, the US 99 sign will be relocated instead of scrapped.
As highly unlikely as that sounds, I think there's a small tiny basically nonexistent chance it could end up at the north tunnel portal. Maybe if we all petition SDOT/WSDOT?
It would probably be better suited for MOHAI or another museum. Once the viaduct comes down, I'm not sure I'd really want to see that sign still in service (as great as it is), but I definitely wouldn't want to see it destroyed either.
What was once part of PA 291 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8754155,-75.2551835,3a,75y,32.22h,74.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1st-4XjWoH2xugG-cuZf-K_w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) near PHL prior to it being relocated onto Bartram Ave. (on the other side of I-95). The relocation was due to the extension of Runway 17-35.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 17, 2015, 10:49:16 AM
This sign is at the eastern terminus of MN 97 north of Stillwater, MN. The age of the sign and the awkward placement of the I-35 shield make me wonder if there used to be another shield alongside the I-35 one, although I'm not sure what it could have been; US 8 maybe, before that route was decommissioned south of Forest Lake?
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/10995650_395379750646646_96577533694487332_n.jpg?oh=aa0b238d448b174fc127e46be972f4fe&oe=56DCE673)
Did you check the back of the sign to see what the age of it is? I highly doubt it's 35 years old, in which case I highly doubt it's a US 8 shield that went missing...1981 is the year US 8 was truncated to Forest Lake.
It's also hard to tell if that I-35 shield is an overlay or not...certainly can't tell from your photo. What little I can glean off of GMSV suggests the answer is no. In which case this is simply a contractor error.
(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images395/us-395_sb_mojave_052.jpg)
Back when US-395 actually went to San Bernardino and US-6 (now CA-14) actually went to downtown LA...
Back in '97, I drove northbound CA 86 from El Centro to Indio in southern California. The control city mileage on almost all signs was Los Angeles. That would had made sense more than 30 years earlier than that when that roadway was US 99. I think much of that roadway has been relocated onto new alignment since. I have no idea if Los Angeles is still the control city.
Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on February 04, 2016, 11:00:06 AM
Back in '97, I drove northbound CA 86 from El Centro to Indio in southern California. The control city mileage on almost all signs was Los Angeles. That would had made sense more than 30 years earlier than that when that roadway was US 99. I think much of that roadway has been relocated onto new alignment since. I have no idea if Los Angeles is still the control city.
According to Google Street View (accessed via ClassyGMap) signs on California 86 still reference Los Angeles as far south as El Centro. (Note that some images are dated 2012.)
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 04, 2016, 12:20:10 AM
Isn't there a thread specifically on that?
I thought there was, but I couldn't find it.
Quote from: Hoss6884 on February 04, 2016, 07:05:07 AM
Where are these located?
The KY 169 sign was on the old alignment at the US 68 intersection between Lexington and Wilmore. KY 169 was realigned there when US 68 was four-laned.
The US 460 signs were in Menifee County, Ky., and were used for a temporary relocation of KY 77 when US 460 was being reconstructed in that area.
The 460 signs have been removed since the photo was taken. I'm not sure about the KY 169 sign, as I haven't been down that way in several years.
Quote from: hbelkins on February 04, 2016, 04:49:26 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 04, 2016, 12:20:10 AM
Isn't there a thread specifically on that?
I thought there was, but I couldn't find it.
Here. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17090.0;topicseen)
Quote from: noelbotevera on February 04, 2016, 05:10:19 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 04, 2016, 04:49:26 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 04, 2016, 12:20:10 AM
Isn't there a thread specifically on that?
I thought there was, but I couldn't find it.
Here. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17090.0;topicseen)
Yep, and I even made reference to the two photos I posted.
http://www.route50.com/sign_battle_saga.htm (http://www.route50.com/sign_battle_saga.htm)
See this Link US-50 greenout revealed in Oakland on Highway 580.
http://socalregion.com/wp-content/uploads/Picture-725.jpg
Also this greenout of I-15 in Barstow.