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Title: Places that still use regular signal heads for crosswalks
Post by: roadman65 on January 09, 2016, 03:32:43 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6444176,-74.2738332,3a,75y,208.34h,67.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssW-tr4gK1TNyKveoxL--gQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

In this here intersection you can see the crosswalk does not have the standard red hand and white person pedestrian signal heads.

This used to be common in many places up until the 1970's.  I was wondering if there are any other intersections that still use these instead of the standard heads?
Title: Re: Places that still use regular signal heads for crosswalks
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 09, 2016, 04:45:58 PM
Rt. 45 & Mantua Blvd/Berkley Rd, Mantua, NJ:  https://goo.gl/maps/E2oQQV5v3KA2
Title: Re: Places that still use regular signal heads for crosswalks
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 09, 2016, 05:04:08 PM
Too many signals in PA still at this point to consider counting
Title: Re: Places that still use regular signal heads for crosswalks
Post by: freebrickproductions on January 09, 2016, 06:02:35 PM
Chattanooga, TN has a set-up with this, but the intersection it's at was in flash mode last I checked, so I'm not sure if it counts.
Title: Re: Places that still use regular signal heads for crosswalks
Post by: noelbotevera on January 09, 2016, 06:05:43 PM
GSV doesn't want to cooperate with me  :-(

US 40 EB in Hagerstown uses two traffic lights for a crosswalk.
Title: Re: Places that still use regular signal heads for crosswalks
Post by: cl94 on January 09, 2016, 07:48:11 PM
Buffalo. Pedestrian signal heads are the exception.
Title: Re: Places that still use regular signal heads for crosswalks
Post by: steviep24 on January 09, 2016, 08:26:40 PM
Central Park in NYC still has signals with red-green for the ped crossings.
Title: Re: Places that still use regular signal heads for crosswalks
Post by: M3019C LPS20 on January 10, 2016, 10:49:32 AM
Some areas in New Jersey still have intersections that use regular vehicular heads for crosswalks.


New York City had many in the 1950s and 1960s, and, with the exception of Central Pk. in Manhattan, vehicular heads that serve as pedestrian signals are few and far between there.

I remember one common intersection setup that existed for years had four pedestrian signals on the side street. The main drag had two vehicular heads that faced the crosswalks present. One head for each direction on the main drag, and one was located diagonally across from the other head. To give you a better idea of what I described, below, is an example of one that remained in 2012. About two years ago, the DOT upgraded the setup.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6094217,-74.1163853,3a,75y,268.2h,86.68t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sD2wr8YB2E9zLxMoYxL8_1A!2e0!5s20120801T000000!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
Title: Re: Places that still use regular signal heads for crosswalks
Post by: traffic light guy on January 10, 2016, 12:39:55 PM
Many installations in District 6 Pennsylvania still use this configuration, especially intersections installed in the early-to-mid 1990s, if not than even earlier. Most older installations in Philly still use 8-inch signals as pedestrians.
Title: Re: Places that still use regular signal heads for crosswalks
Post by: roadfro on January 10, 2016, 06:52:07 PM
US 395 northbound ramps at Oddie Blvd in Sparks is the only place I can recall seeing this in Nevada. The signal heads used strictly for pedestrian crossing indications here constitute one of the few remaining uses of 8-inch signal heads I'm aware of in the state.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5456227,-119.7874406,3a,74.1y,164.89h,77.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHSrjowAjjWdTYoxwK95YNQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

These will likely stay in service until the signal is replaced. I believe the southbound ramps at this interchange also had these as well, but ped signals were installed at that intersection due to a ramp reconfiguration that occurred several years ago.
Title: Re: Places that still use regular signal heads for crosswalks
Post by: roadman on January 11, 2016, 10:39:21 AM
Albion Street and Broadway in Wakefield MA still has "DONT WALK"/WALK" pedestrian signals instead of the man/hand.
Title: Re: Places that still use regular signal heads for crosswalks
Post by: PHLBOS on January 11, 2016, 11:03:58 AM
Quote from: roadman on January 11, 2016, 10:39:21 AM
Albion Street and Broadway in Wakefield MA still has "DONT WALK"/WALK" pedestrian signals instead of the man/hand.
I believe the OP's refering to conventional, vehicular traffic signalheads being used for such; not pedestrian signalheads.

More applicable example(s) of such in the Bay State (North Shore specifically) would be some signals that still use steady red-and-yellow for pedestrian crossings (an MA exclusive). 

Although, Salem, MA has some fairly new replacement installations; this one (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5081014,-70.891278,3a,75y,352.78h,86.64t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s-k-tvUR9_VGKWZXa0dmTyQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D-k-tvUR9_VGKWZXa0dmTyQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D24.198307%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656) at the Lafayette St. (MA 1A/114) & Ocean Ave. intersection and this one (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5110413,-70.8918352,3a,75y,356.54h,79.49t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sm9uxrmrh9wM5yoeiCXmtzQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3Dm9uxrmrh9wM5yoeiCXmtzQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D90.595078%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656) at the Lafayette/Holly/Leach Sts. intersection still use the old-school steady red/yellow for pedestrian crossings (when one presses the button).
Title: Re: Places that still use regular signal heads for crosswalks
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 11, 2016, 11:11:22 AM
Quote from: roadman on January 11, 2016, 10:39:21 AM
Albion Street and Broadway in Wakefield MA still has "DONT WALK"/WALK" pedestrian signals instead of the man/hand.

Look at the first few examples...there's no walk/don't walk sign whatsoever.  They are 3 head traffic lights.
Title: Re: Places that still use regular signal heads for crosswalks
Post by: cl94 on January 11, 2016, 12:59:10 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 11, 2016, 11:11:22 AM
Quote from: roadman on January 11, 2016, 10:39:21 AM
Albion Street and Broadway in Wakefield MA still has "DONT WALK"/WALK" pedestrian signals instead of the man/hand.

Look at the first few examples...there's no walk/don't walk sign whatsoever.  They are 3 head traffic lights.

I think 3 head signals are the spirit of the topic. Various places in Jersey, Buffalo, etc. Word messages were allowed until recently and are not regular signal heads.
Title: Re: Places that still use regular signal heads for crosswalks
Post by: steviep24 on January 11, 2016, 01:54:20 PM
Here's one in Greece, NY that has crosswalks but no ped signals. Signs at the ped crossing buttons say "PUSH BUTTON WAIT FOR GREEN SIGNAL".

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2534099,-77.7328456,3a,75y,337h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJ27e2I-S5EoZwS-eYMYa1g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Title: Re: Places that still use regular signal heads for crosswalks
Post by: M3019C LPS20 on January 11, 2016, 02:00:38 PM
Since the discussion revolves around standard vehicular heads, I recall New York City once had such signals that used "WAIT" and "WALK" lenses. The middle section was an amber ball.

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Title: Re: Places that still use regular signal heads for crosswalks
Post by: Mohkfry on January 11, 2016, 03:16:48 PM
Quote from: steviep24 on January 11, 2016, 01:54:20 PM
Here's one in Greece, NY that has crosswalks but no ped signals. Signs at the ped crossing buttons say "PUSH BUTTON WAIT FOR GREEN SIGNAL".

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2534099,-77.7328456,3a,75y,337h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJ27e2I-S5EoZwS-eYMYa1g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

I can think of 6 signals with this setup. One in Monon, two in Crown Point, and three in Winimac. All of these in Indiana. Unfortunately, I can't post streetview links on my phone.
Title: Re: Places that still use regular signal heads for crosswalks
Post by: Ace10 on January 11, 2016, 06:31:48 PM
Quote from: steviep24 on January 11, 2016, 01:54:20 PM
Here's one in Greece, NY that has crosswalks but no ped signals. Signs at the ped crossing buttons say "PUSH BUTTON WAIT FOR GREEN SIGNAL".

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2534099,-77.7328456,3a,75y,337h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJ27e2I-S5EoZwS-eYMYa1g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Isn't it pretty standard that, if crosswalk signals are not in place, the vehicle signal facing the pedestrian movement acts as the de jure crosswalk signal? Ergo, green light means cross, and yellow and red lights mean do not cross (or hurry up and finish crossing)? There are plenty of intersections in New Orleans that have traffic signals but no crosswalk signals, and people know to cross when the light turns green and to wait if it's yellow or red.
Title: Re: Places that still use regular signal heads for crosswalks
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 17, 2016, 05:11:33 PM
Walking around Center City and Historic Philadelphia this weekend, I didn't realize how many intersections don't have Walk/Don't Walk signals and simply use traffic lights. At some intersections one crosswalk (say, crossing 5 lane Market St) will have Walk/Don't Walk signals, but just traffic lights for crossing the more narrow side street. 
Title: Re: Places that still use regular signal heads for crosswalks
Post by: mrsman on January 18, 2016, 08:26:12 AM
Quote from: Ace10 on January 11, 2016, 06:31:48 PM
Quote from: steviep24 on January 11, 2016, 01:54:20 PM
Here's one in Greece, NY that has crosswalks but no ped signals. Signs at the ped crossing buttons say "PUSH BUTTON WAIT FOR GREEN SIGNAL".

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2534099,-77.7328456,3a,75y,337h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJ27e2I-S5EoZwS-eYMYa1g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Isn't it pretty standard that, if crosswalk signals are not in place, the vehicle signal facing the pedestrian movement acts as the de jure crosswalk signal? Ergo, green light means cross, and yellow and red lights mean do not cross (or hurry up and finish crossing)? There are plenty of intersections in New Orleans that have traffic signals but no crosswalk signals, and people know to cross when the light turns green and to wait if it's yellow or red.

Yes, that is the standard when there are no ped signals.  And in some cases where there are one-way streets and no specific ped signals, you will see RYG signals facing in the opposite direction for the benefit of pedestrians only.

THis practice works OK when the crossings are relatively narrow and when the intersections are simple (ie no conflicting turn signals).  This is not ideal, since the pedestrian clearance interval (flashing don't walk) is usually much longer than the vehicle clearnce interval (yellow light).