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Title: CD lanes not separated by barriers
Post by: tradephoric on January 28, 2016, 05:20:44 PM
Here's a parclo B4 interchange in Maryland with collector distributor (CD) lanes not separated by barriers. 

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1178015,-77.0706905,3a,75y,282.35h,86.52t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sC3qjN03ntaO59EeMxffUKQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DC3qjN03ntaO59EeMxffUKQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D303.56027%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: CD lanes not separated by barriers
Post by: briantroutman on January 28, 2016, 06:07:26 PM
There are two back-to-back not far from my hometown: I-80 at US 15 (https://goo.gl/maps/E1v478UypJv) and I-80 at I-180 (https://goo.gl/maps/p1K7pggSyD32). Both are currently full eight-ramp cloverleaves (cloverleafs?) without so much as a crumpled plastic bollard separating them from the through lanes. In my experience, the vast majority of motorists ignore the double solid white line and cross them to merge into the through lanes–particularly if they're behind a slowly accelerating truck.

Both interchanges lacked C-D lanes until a major reconstruction project around 2002-2003 when both interchanges' overpasses as well as the Susquehanna River bridge between them were all replace to accommodate the additional lanes.
Title: Re: CD lanes not separated by barriers
Post by: davewiecking on January 28, 2016, 06:12:34 PM
Actually, the GA Ave South (Wheaton) lane only exits, so this isn't a true CD lane-it's an incredibly long exit lane. However-check out the Beltway near FedEx Stadium (Arena Drive exit).
Title: Re: CD lanes not separated by barriers
Post by: TravelingBethelite on January 28, 2016, 08:04:32 PM
A large portion of the C/D (actually the ♦ lanes) lanes here in CT are seperated by no more than 2" tall/4' wide strips of pavement.
Title: Re: CD lanes not separated by barriers
Post by: 1995hoo on January 28, 2016, 09:19:03 PM
Capital Beltway at Landover Road (Exit 17) in Maryland. Just some solid lines separating the C/D lanes, with the left C/D lane doubling as a thru lane.
Title: Re: CD lanes not separated by barriers
Post by: tradephoric on January 29, 2016, 12:16:19 AM
Here are two similar capacity interchanges, one with the off-ramp lane separated by jersey barrier and the other separated by just pavement markings.  Is there any research out there that indicates one design is inherently more dangerous than the other?

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https://www.google.com/maps/@42.138629,-83.2416897,196m/data=!3m1!1e3

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https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1181749,-77.0748266,212m/data=!3m1!1e3

Title: Re: CD lanes not separated by barriers
Post by: jakeroot on January 29, 2016, 12:22:15 AM
Quote from: tradephoric on January 29, 2016, 12:16:19 AM
Is there any research out there that indicates one design is inherently more dangerous than the other?

I would imagine that the jersey barrier is the preferred separation device only because it forces traffic to use the C/D lanes, whereas simple paint markings allow drivers to mis-behave.

California separates some of their express lanes with plastic bollards to prevent unwanted lane changes due to ... indecisiveness?

If safety isn't an immediate issue, these seem like a good compromise (91 Freeway outside Yorba Linda):

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Title: Re: CD lanes not separated by barriers
Post by: roadfro on January 31, 2016, 12:40:35 PM
The express lanes on I-15 in Las Vegas used to have white plastic bollards, similar to the 91 Freeway.  When NDOT did a resurfacing project a few years ago, they decided not to put them back in...too many people striking them. Now, there is just a buffer separation, which is ignored by some drivers–doesn't help that NDOT is not using true double solid white lines here. (Those express lanes will eventually be converted to HOV lanes anyway, so it's not a huge deal to correct the issues.)
Title: Re: CD lanes not separated by barriers
Post by: BrianP on February 01, 2016, 09:14:31 AM
Another one in MD is I-95 @ MD 24:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4573872,-76.309241,3a,75y,243.96h,76.25t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2ORaFxX_4wRw-qVoZHs-uQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D2ORaFxX_4wRw-qVoZHs-uQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D107.1965%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: CD lanes not separated by barriers
Post by: cbeach40 on February 01, 2016, 09:45:18 AM
Ontario has flushed paved medians on Highway 402 approaching the Blue Water Bridge.
https://goo.gl/maps/S3o9fe8Hf2k

The three leftmost lanes are dynamically assigned, though typically it's: Cars to USA  -  Trucks to USA (2 centre lanes)  -  local traffic. The through traffic is very much set for the three left lanes while the right lanes is a local collector.
Title: Re: CD lanes not separated by barriers
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 01, 2016, 09:55:52 AM
I-295 at Rt. 9 in Delaware, in 3 of the possible 4 directions. (295 South, 295 North, 9 North): https://goo.gl/maps/dRjXTZmuDi92
Title: Re: CD lanes not separated by barriers
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 01, 2016, 11:55:53 AM
I-95 at Exit 109 (Elkton) in Cecil County, Maryland has a low, low concrete "curb" between the three through lanes and a "C-D" lane (Google here (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Elkton,+MD/@39.6409336,-75.8027403,18z/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x89c7a59172dcc743:0x15853b66805e0c08)).