Yes many of us use them. You program the location of point A and point B and it tells you step by step directions you need to take the entire way driving. Some of us feel they are helpful to basic travel especially us non road geeks. Instead of having to consult a map to find out which route you must take and along with not having accurate mileages on hand as the map not always does, you now have the step by step mileages for every route or street you take in your hand and at ease too. Therefore its making this device a godsend to the motoring public in many people's eyes. However, with the lack of the maps now that at one time actually showed the physical relationship between the two points you needed to travel between, is no longer doing that anymore with the modern GPS. Is that causing us to be more ignorant?
Think about it, with the map you still need to use your mind as you are coming to the conclusion of what road you are taking and actually see where the route runs compared to other routes. Most of all you see where the point of origin is to where the point of destination are to each other as looking down on it from the sky The GPS now is not really letting you see all of that as it just prints out words and telling you where to go first in how many miles to the next turn before doing it all over. Your mind is not comprehending where you are at all times.
What do you think? Do you think that GPS devices are making motorists more ignorant of their surroundings then the old map did?
Yes.
No. People are ignorant of their surroundings whether or not they're using a GPS.
One of the desks I work at has a literal neon sign above it reading "Cashier". One of the most frequently asked questions we get there is "Is this Player's Club?"
Can't blame the GPS for that.
Yes. I don't use a GPS (well, I may play with one but I don't use one while driving) and people are increasingly unable to give me directions or landmarks.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 19, 2016, 12:09:04 PM
No. People are ignorant of their surroundings whether or not they're using a GPS.
One of the desks I work at has a literal neon sign above it reading "Cashier". One of the most frequently asked questions we get there is "Is this Player's Club?"
Can't blame the GPS for that.
Agree with this. I think those of us with a good natural sense of direction only use the GPS to avoid traffic. I also think the rest of us only tended to learn routes in a linear fashion anyway, and as such haven't lost very much anyway.
GPS devices are digital TripTiks after all.
From personal experience: The first time I used a GPS, it got me to my destination. I had not a single clue what I had passed on the way there, so the point where I needed to use the GPS the next time I drove to the destination. That time though, I paid a lot more attention to my surroundings.
In my carpool, just today, the driver said he heard on the radio prior to picking us up that there was an accident near exit 26 (which is the 295/76/42 interchange). He asked me if that would affect us. We've been driving this commute together for the past 15 years, which would mean we've passed Exit 26 a total of approximately 6,600 times (twice a day, approximately 220 days a year, for 15 years), and that doesn't include his personal driving which takes him thru the interchange on occasion. And yet, he had absolutely no clue where Exit 26 was located.
Scott provides another example that has nothing to do with GPSs. Some people are just total dumbasses when it comes to their surroundings.
But without a GPS, people would be forced to at least do some of the legwork themselves as far as understanding their route and knowing what to do at certain decision points. They still may not be paying great attention to their surroundings, but they wouldn't be able to just be totally braindead about it.
People have always been and will always be oblivious, sure. GPS devices are just feeding into that in ways that had never been possible before. They may not be a "cause," per se, but they are an exacerbating factor.
There was an NYT piece on this very subject just a week or so ago: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/14/opinion/sunday/ignore-the-gps-that-ocean-is-not-a-road.html?_r=0
Short answer to the OP's question, "Yes".
One of my sister-in-law's son stopped using his GPS unit (he got his driver's license years before GPS' became widely-used) because he realized that he was losing his sense of direction while using it.
More recently, when a friend of mine (who's only a few months older than me) went to pick me and a friend up from Abington, PA (Montgomery County) an drove us to Amber; another friend who was with him had the GPS on his smartphone. The GPS had my friend turn off-and-on the main road (using residential side-streets) several times along the way; when in reality, he should have just stayed on Susquehanna Road (it's not like the road was traffic-gridlocked at the time) except at the immediate origin and destination points. I'm guessing that the GPS routing may have been set to avoid as many traffic signals as possible.
Had this trip been done 5 to 10 years ago; my friend would've just pulled out a road map and saw that Susquehanna Road was essentially a straight line between Ambler and Abington.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 19, 2016, 12:09:04 PM
No. People are ignorant of their surroundings whether or not they're using a GPS.
One of the desks I work at has a literal neon sign above it reading "Cashier". One of the most frequently asked questions we get there is "Is this Player's Club?"
Can't blame the GPS for that.
Of course it probably doesn't help when some casinos combine the cage with player services.
People might be unaware of their surroundings, but on the plus side, they never ask you for directions any more. Everyone knows me as a geography person so they'd come to me about how to get somewhere from somewhere else. It was annoying sometimes, but now I don't have much opportunity impress people with my spatial knowledge.
I think you also need to consider the increased awareness various navigation technologies provide. They clue people in to places they might have not actively sought out before. We are creatures of habit for the most part and might not know that a better restaurant exists just a couple lights passed the one we always go to. Folks drive by the best parks in their town all the time and never go because from the highway, it just looks like some woods. GPS combined with user-generated ratings can clue them in to new places. Granted most of them will still need the GPS to get there and everywhere else, but they have more little islands of spatial knowledge than they would have otherwise.
It makes me more aware, because I'm trying to beat the Google lady at her game and see if I can find a route that's better than hers.
BTW, why will the Google lady refuse to use some streets? For example sometimes I have Google Maps on all the way into the parking garage (if I don't get a chance to turn off the phone before). She refuses to use the side street behind the garage. Instead, she tells me to turn left, then right and then right again - going around 3 sides of the block instead of just the one side that I'm already on.
The question should be rephrased to:
Do you learn better when you've figured out a complex problem by reasoning through it, or when you've been handed the answer and never have to?
This isn't new. Far fewer people know anything about how their food grows or car runs, either, because they don't need to. This frees their brains to binge-watch Mad Men and do zumba.
I guess part of it depends on whether you use the device as a navigational aid or whether you depend on it to be your entire navigational support. If you use it as an aid, say because you know where you're going but you'd like confirmation so you don't miss the turn late at night or in an area you don't visit that often, then I don't think it's a negative. Similar principle if you decide to explore via a different route but want the device there to guide you back if you make a wrong turn or some such.
It's the people who depend entirely on it and will yap at you if you go a different way from what it says who are the problem because they're unaware of alternate routes and don't know how to get places. Those are the people who get stuck all day in traffic because they don't know about the other road two miles to the north that runs parallel to the one on which they're stuck. But you know, those people were probably just as clueless in the days before electronic navigation aids. It's easy to look at a map and to figure out how to go from DC to New York without using the "traditional" I-95/Jersey Turnpike route, but thousands of people have no idea there are other routes (such as via Pennsylvania). Doesn't matter whether you give them a sat-nav, a paper map, a mapping website, whatever.....they'll go up the Turnpike and then complain about the tolls afterward.
The only reason I use a GPS is to navigate through cities (it has a "what lane you need to be in" feature) because I am not used to cities. Other than that, I make up my own routes and turn off the sound on the GPS.
I see all the time in Florida. I think people arrive from wherever and they rely so much on the GPS that they do not care about what is around them. Plus what Scott says in his post, its not only roads but everything.
Another issue I had was locating a Hampton Inn near Miami International Airport off FL 826 at 36th Street. I could not locate it because it was on a side street so I stopped at a local gas station and convenience store to find out where it was. Not only was the person unaware of the surroundings of the intersection he worked at, but he saw the sign for Hampton Inn from the place he was standing which was behind the counter that faced the door. It was when I walked out I then noticed it, and I then had to look back at the guy and wonder how he could be so ignorant and unhelpful to me. In fact if I was in grade school and I was the one being asked where the Hampton Inn was while looking at it, and saying that "I did not know" I would be made a mockery not only by the person asking me the question but by other people as well.
I think that time is an issue too as we just evolved into such independence that we are all on different pages so to speak. We do not care anymore about uniform rulings and our mind also focuses on ourselves and if something is handed to us like the GPS where we do not have to do work at reading a map and making the best decision, we will use it. Plus it seems like the norm compared to the exception, and what the majority does now is the rule of thumb.
Bottom line is that GPSes just add to the fire that has been burning already. Scott, I must agree, with you that no one now is aware of anything around them about anything. Yes I see it even in Church that I attend where you would figure everyone is being scrutinized actually have the most careless attitude about anything!
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Vault_21
This is what would be a perfect world. Everyone is equal, and we can settle our differences. We can either say that a GPS is useless or useful. We know our surroundings. Because in there, they're all equal.
(props to anyone who actually played Fallout: New Vegas)
roadman65's comment prompts me to think of the many younger people working as cashiers who can't make change if the register doesn't calculate the amount for them.
No, although entirely debatable because anything can be a distraction.
People can find more points of interest in an unfamiliar area than if they didn't have access to some sort of interactive map. Naturally, someone could ask someone to the local restaurant, park, or curiosity...and hope the given instructions make sense. For all the stories of effortlessly plodding from point A to point B, there's stories of others I meet that are glad they took the backroads.
It isn't in everyone's interest to enjoy looking at nor have more than a basic understanding of how they work. Nor is it practical to expect many travelers to carry dozens of local (and potentially outdated) maps or atlases.
I know a lot of folks here love the latest "distracted by GPS" story, paralleling it with the downfall of mankind, but like lots of technology, there's just as much good as bad with navigation assisting a driver who's unfamiliar and doesn't need the visual distractions. For some, the little computer is another distraction, and for others, it is not.
There's probably thousands of folks who can just get on with other interests because they don't have to worry about planning their trip as meticulously as we might.
When my TomTom still worked, I needed to be on my toes due to it's bizarre preference for dirt cow paths over pavement.
:no:
This is like the times when I hear of people using their phone number presets so much they don't even know the actual phone number they're calling.
Quote from: txstateends on February 21, 2016, 06:03:49 AM
This is like the times when I hear of people using their phone number presets so much they don't even know the actual phone number they're calling.
This is more the norm than the exception.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 21, 2016, 07:39:23 AM
Quote from: txstateends on February 21, 2016, 06:03:49 AM
This is like the times when I hear of people using their phone number presets so much they don't even know the actual phone number they're calling.
This is more the norm than the exception.
I used to know everyone's phone numbers, it was a point of pride. I still know my friends parents phone numbers from 30 years ago.
Sadly I can't even tell you my kids numbers today
Quote from: jwolfer on February 21, 2016, 09:48:47 AM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 21, 2016, 07:39:23 AM
Quote from: txstateends on February 21, 2016, 06:03:49 AM
This is like the times when I hear of people using their phone number presets so much they don't even know the actual phone number they're calling.
This is more the norm than the exception.
I used to know everyone's phone numbers, it was a point of pride. I still know my friends parents phone numbers from 30 years ago.
Sadly I can't even tell you my kids numbers today
I use my phone number (with area code) from the 1970s as one of my various PINs on my electronic devices. My parents
might remember it if I asked them, but I'd probably have to say the number. Nobody else, including my brother, would ever remember that.
Guy in my carpool has all of his former license plate numbers memorized. I don't even bother trying to remember my current tag numbers!
Back to the subject a bit...
I think many people are unaware of their surrounds if they have no need for them. I bring up my carpool often because we are 4 guys with all different awarenesses. 1 guy was very good in knowing the area and what was around, but I've noticed he's slipped a bit with current things such as signage. Another isn't too bad. The 3rd could tell you everything within a mile of his house, but couldn't tell you much of anything 2 miles away, even though he's lived and driven in the area all his life.
On our commute to and from work, I'll notice differences (signage, etc) a month before they say something.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 21, 2016, 11:30:22 AM
Guy in my carpool has all of his former license plate numbers memorized. I don't even bother trying to remember my current tag numbers!
Back to the subject a bit...
I think many people are unaware of their surrounds if they have no need for them. I bring up my carpool often because we are 4 guys with all different awarenesses. 1 guy was very good in knowing the area and what was around, but I've noticed he's slipped a bit with current things such as signage. Another isn't too bad. The 3rd could tell you everything within a mile of his house, but couldn't tell you much of anything 2 miles away, even though he's lived and driven in the area all his life.
On our commute to and from work, I'll notice differences (signage, etc) a month before they say something.
I am amazed at people who live in a place their whole life and they can't navigate anywhere beyond their everyday routine.
I think some is innate ability. My 5 year old has been noticing surroundings since she could talk.
Quote from: jwolfer on February 21, 2016, 05:20:05 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 21, 2016, 11:30:22 AM
Guy in my carpool has all of his former license plate numbers memorized. I don't even bother trying to remember my current tag numbers!
Back to the subject a bit...
I think many people are unaware of their surrounds if they have no need for them. I bring up my carpool often because we are 4 guys with all different awarenesses. 1 guy was very good in knowing the area and what was around, but I've noticed he's slipped a bit with current things such as signage. Another isn't too bad. The 3rd could tell you everything within a mile of his house, but couldn't tell you much of anything 2 miles away, even though he's lived and driven in the area all his life.
On our commute to and from work, I'll notice differences (signage, etc) a month before they say something.
I am amazed at people who live in a place their whole life and they can't navigate anywhere beyond their everyday routine.
I think some is innate ability. My 5 year old has been noticing surroundings since she could talk.
I forget if i mentioned it here or elsewhere, but that particular carpool member asked where Exit 26 was and if an accident there would impact us. I estimated we've gone past Exit 26 about 6,600 times in the 15 years we've carpooled. It's only 4 miles from where he lives!
Quote from: roadman65 on February 20, 2016, 01:57:23 PM
I see all the time in Florida. I think people arrive from wherever and they rely so much on the GPS that they do not care about what is around them. Plus what Scott says in his post, its not only roads but everything.
Another issue I had was locating a Hampton Inn near Miami International Airport off FL 826 at 36th Street. I could not locate it because it was on a side street so I stopped at a local gas station and convenience store to find out where it was. Not only was the person unaware of the surroundings of the intersection he worked at, but he saw the sign for Hampton Inn from the place he was standing which was behind the counter that faced the door. It was when I walked out I then noticed it, and I then had to look back at the guy and wonder how he could be so ignorant and unhelpful to me. In fact if I was in grade school and I was the one being asked where the Hampton Inn was while looking at it, and saying that "I did not know" I would be made a mockery not only by the person asking me the question but by other people as well.
I think that time is an issue too as we just evolved into such independence that we are all on different pages so to speak. We do not care anymore about uniform rulings and our mind also focuses on ourselves and if something is handed to us like the GPS where we do not have to do work at reading a map and making the best decision, we will use it. Plus it seems like the norm compared to the exception, and what the majority does now is the rule of thumb.
Bottom line is that GPSes just add to the fire that has been burning already. Scott, I must agree, with you that no one now is aware of anything around them about anything. Yes I see it even in Church that I attend where you would figure everyone is being scrutinized actually have the most careless attitude about anything!
I had a similar experience on Long Island last October. Got lost looking for my hotel and wound up in Syosset and was looking for the way back to NY 25. Somehow, despite being lost and too panicked to reason out where I was on my atlas, I still knew more about where I was than the local at the gas station. I even brought over the atlas and started pointing at stuff and still didn't get anything better than "try that way" while he was pointing at one of the streets in the intersection.
Working at NYSDOT, I still have chances to impress people with my knowledge. I remember setting up the routes for the pavement survey last year... we got back within five minutes of the end of the workday every single day, despite the Google directions (which became inaccessible through anything other than the printouts halfway through when classic Google Maps went bye bye) not including things like driving the speed limit, the routes that weren't easy to add to the directions because they were U turns, those times when I ran out of points (yes, even on classic) and the directions weren't even right, turning around because the vehicle distance sensor wasn't exact and we overshot the intersection/county line by a quarter mile and had to load the next route to rate, and the 15 minutes we spent some days figuring out why the vehicle distance sensor wasn't communicating to the computer (hey, it was our first year doing this...). Same thing happened with HPMS when I was just making up stuff as we went along, even when I wasn't the one driving (one day I just picked out a bunch of papers and said "I'm imagine you'll get through these samples"; they did, almost exactly, minus the ones I said would be a reach from the get go). People now think I'm psychic (I even predicted when my boss and I would get back from a rail meeting within four minutes).
Well I have a GPS that one time showed my car driving in the Water but I was really on the newer section of the Bay Bridge approaching Yerba Buena Island.
As a whole, I imagine they are.
I never had a GPS until about a year ago when I was traveling to the Chicago area for the second time in a few weeks and decided that I'd rather look at a GPS in the dark than Google Maps in the dark. I knew I'd be doing much more traveling and figured it'd be a wise investment.
I'm still a scenery person, so I'm not glued to the GPS. Plus I still like to explore my route ahead of time to see if there are any worthy pull-offs along the way. In fact, I just got done printing off Google directions for an upcoming trip (and I've already modified them for stuff I wanna see along the way). It's nice to have something that will tell me where I'm supposed to go if I do stray off my route in mid-trip. I finally turned off the sound so when I DO stray, I don't have to listen to it tell me to go some way I don't want to go.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 19, 2016, 12:40:45 PM
...we've passed Exit 26 a total of approximately 6,600 times (twice a day, approximately 220 days a year, for 15 years), ... And yet, he had absolutely no clue where Exit 26 was located.
To be fair, I tend not to be aware of exit numbers most of the time, even on routes I take frequently. I just look for the "Buckskin Road" exit, the exit with control cities "Snerdsville, Plotzingdale, NEXT RIGHT", or the exit with the I-98 and/or US-00 shield on the sign. (Besides, some freeways don't even
have exit numbers.) The only time I'm really conscious of exit numbers is on the NJ Turnpike with its huge, you-can't-miss-it number-and-arrow BGSs (whose days might be, pardon-the-pun, numbered, if they become more MUTCD-compliant). Also certain points on the OH and PA turnpikes -- back when they were numbered sequentially.
Quote from: lepidopteran on February 24, 2016, 11:43:52 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 19, 2016, 12:40:45 PM
...we've passed Exit 26 a total of approximately 6,600 times (twice a day, approximately 220 days a year, for 15 years), ... And yet, he had absolutely no clue where Exit 26 was located.
To be fair, I tend not to be aware of exit numbers most of the time, even on routes I take frequently. I just look for the "Buckskin Road" exit, the exit with control cities "Snerdsville, Plotzingdale, NEXT RIGHT", or the exit with the I-98 and/or US-00 shield on the sign. (Besides, some freeways don't even have exit numbers.) The only time I'm really conscious of exit numbers is on the NJ Turnpike with its huge, you-can't-miss-it number-and-arrow BGSs (whose days might be, pardon-the-pun, numbered, if they become more MUTCD-compliant). Also certain points on the OH and PA turnpikes -- back when they were numbered sequentially.
I've heard several people mention that, and I guess it's true if we're talking about, say, Exit 52 (a county road near Florence, NJ). Exit 26 is the mega interchange with I-76 & Rt. 42, featured on traffic reports every day.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 24, 2016, 12:22:36 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on February 24, 2016, 11:43:52 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 19, 2016, 12:40:45 PM
...we've passed Exit 26 a total of approximately 6,600 times (twice a day, approximately 220 days a year, for 15 years), ... And yet, he had absolutely no clue where Exit 26 was located.
To be fair, I tend not to be aware of exit numbers most of the time, even on routes I take frequently. I just look for the "Buckskin Road" exit, the exit with control cities "Snerdsville, Plotzingdale, NEXT RIGHT", or the exit with the I-98 and/or US-00 shield on the sign. (Besides, some freeways don't even have exit numbers.) The only time I'm really conscious of exit numbers is on the NJ Turnpike with its huge, you-can't-miss-it number-and-arrow BGSs (whose days might be, pardon-the-pun, numbered, if they become more MUTCD-compliant). Also certain points on the OH and PA turnpikes -- back when they were numbered sequentially.
I've heard several people mention that, and I guess it's true if we're talking about, say, Exit 52 (a county road near Florence, NJ). Exit 26 is the mega interchange with I-76 & Rt. 42, featured on traffic reports every day.
Even around Chicago, the exit number isn't even mentioned for major interchanges like that. Either the crossing route will be used (i.e. Stevenson at the Ryan) or the interchange name will be used (i.e. Merge/Split or Junction). Hell, ISTHA didn't even have exit numbers until a couple of years ago.
Quote from: lepidopteran on February 24, 2016, 11:43:52 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 19, 2016, 12:40:45 PM
...we've passed Exit 26 a total of approximately 6,600 times (twice a day, approximately 220 days a year, for 15 years), ... And yet, he had absolutely no clue where Exit 26 was located.
To be fair, I tend not to be aware of exit numbers most of the time, even on routes I take frequently. I just look for the "Buckskin Road" exit, the exit with control cities "Snerdsville, Plotzingdale, NEXT RIGHT", or the exit with the I-98 and/or US-00 shield on the sign. (Besides, some freeways don't even have exit numbers.) The only time I'm really conscious of exit numbers is on the NJ Turnpike with its huge, you-can't-miss-it number-and-arrow BGSs (whose days might be, pardon-the-pun, numbered, if they become more MUTCD-compliant). Also certain points on the OH and PA turnpikes -- back when they were numbered sequentially.
As a native Californian, I grew up without exit numbers, so I mostly refer to interchnages by name rather than by number.
Of course, when you don't know the area using exit numbers is so helpful - especially if they are mileage based. Just look at the mileage marker and you will know how far away is your exit.
I rarely use my GPS. I may occasionally use it to verify where I am or to find a shortcut around traffic, but I otherwise don't use it. To me, it's a distraction.
Quote from: mrsman on February 26, 2016, 11:15:49 AM
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Of course, when you don't know the area using exit numbers is so helpful - especially if they are mileage based. Just look at the mileage marker and you will know how far away is your exit.
Except on the Beltway in Virginia, of course, because at the Springfield Interchange it abruptly changes from the Beltway exit numbers that ascend anti-clockwise from I-295 in Maryland to the I-95 exit numbers that ascend northbound from the North Carolina state line. Since we live near there, I'm used to having to explain to people that they should be prepared for the sudden jump from Exit 57 (Springfield Interchange) to Exit 173 (Van Dorn Street, three miles east of Exit 57) and that they don't have nearly as far to go as they might think they do.
All the more reason why when I give directions I try not to rely on just exit numbers or just street names or the like. In the example above, I'd probably refer to Exit 173 for Van Dorn Street, mention that the BGS lists "Franconia" as the destination, and note that it's the next exit after the massive interchange with all the flyovers, and I'd probably add that if you come to signs saying the road splits into "Local" and "Thru" lanes you went too far.
In a word, yes.
I can't tell you how many times I have taken a 911 call from someone wanting to report a wreck, for instance, and they have zero clue where they are. I'd estimate as much as 30% can't even tell me what road they are on, no less where they are on that road. Luckily for them, their cell phone bails them out and tells me where they are (more often than not, but it's still not fool proof). For those who for whatever reason don't have phase 2 wireless 911 capability it can be a real tooth pulling session to figure out where they are. What was the last exit they passed? They don't know. What was the last billboard they saw? They don't know. Do they remember even seeing a mile marker (no less what it said-the fact that road even has or doesn't have a mile marker on it will tell me alot)? No they aren't sure if they saw a mile marker or not-but could I please stop asking them so many stupid questions and just send them someone already. Sure, I'd love to, but I can't just yet because I have no idea where to send them!!
The GPS users (actually to call most of them users would be an insult to those who actually do know how to use them) have no clue how to get to the different menu screens other than the route search feature anyway. I have tried to get them to pull up and read me the co-ordinates off the unit and they can't even find them. The few that can find them do not know how to read them. Luckily for them I am fluent in both degrees minutes seconds and decimal degrees and can figure out pretty quickly what they are trying to tell me anyway.
All of that is why I use my GPS more as a data logging tool/digital speedometer rather than as a navigational tool. That is not to say I have never used it to navigate but I try very hard not to. For the actual long distance portion of my trips, I usually don't need any navigational help, I have already chosen my route the old fashioned way and I pretty much know where I am and how I need to get there. Sometimes, if I am going to a town I've never been I may have my wife punch up the hotel on it as I am getting close just to be sure I don't miss my turn to get there.
When I am finished with my trip I upload the track into Garmin Base Camp for future reference. It logs distance, time, avg mph (moving and overall) and of course the visual track on the map.
Here are all of my road trips since November of 2012 when I started using Base Camp:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi703.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww34%2Fslorydn1%2FRoad%2520Photos%2F20160227_205853_zpsdrhw1ohh.jpg&hash=c0d5d5ab57bc4bb5df125870684440173fd40839)
Meanwhile I've TRIED to give AAA reference markers/mile markers before and they won't take them. It's quite frustrating.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 20, 2016, 09:52:26 AM
I guess part of it depends on whether you use the device as a navigational aid or whether you depend on it to be your entire navigational support. If you use it as an aid, say because you know where you're going but you'd like confirmation so you don't miss the turn late at night or in an area you don't visit that often, then I don't think it's a negative. Similar principle if you decide to explore via a different route but want the device there to guide you back if you make a wrong turn or some such.
I agree with this distinction. I use my GPS to get me to a specific location in an unfamiliar area. I usually don't punch in the address or coordinates until I'm in the general vicinity. Other than that, I'll often have my GPS in Map View mode on roadtrips, just for the gimmick of a digital speedometer, seeing upcoming intersections, and also accumulating trivial trip data (total time moving, average speed when moving, etc.). That is shows me the direction I'm traveling is sometimes very helpful. I still prefer looking at maps to plot out my general routes. Since I deliberately meander a lot on many roadtrips, I would only be confusing her (yes, I've named her Melanie; no, I'm not a lonely guy) if she's trying to direct me to a destination.
Another point:
While the OP mentioned being unaware of our surroundings, let's not forget another facet of GPS idiocy: Drivers who stubbornly and deliberately ignore posted signs because they conflict with directions given by the GPS, and by gosh the GPS must be right! A great example of this was a few years ago when MDOT redesigned the eastern terminus of I-94/I-69 at M-25 and the Blue Water Bridge in Port Huron. Here's the current interchange: https://goo.gl/maps/vGKTTZRK4vn. Prior to reconstruction, eastbound traffic exited to the right for the Blue Water Bridge or curved to the left to access a connector road to M-25 and Port Huron. (That left ramp still exists, but it's blocked off and abandoned -- the northbound connector road is now used only by traffic coming from the Blue Water Bridge). A new ramp leading directly to M-25 was constructed on the right. Bottom line is that the eastbound traffic movements now are reversed: Used to be M-25 and Port Huron to the left, Canada to the right. Now it's Canada to the left, M-25 and Port Huron to the right. THREE SETS of overhead signs with pull-through arrows couldn't make this more clear. But a friend of mine who works for MDOT told me that for quite awhile after the interchange was finished, probably dozens of Port Huron-bound motorists daily found themselves on the Bridge and heading into Canada because their not-yet-updated GPSs said to go left to M-25 and they blindly followed the GPS directions while ignoring the posted signage. MDOT replaced all the new BGSs with even newer ones including Canadian and American flag graphics, and posted signs "Your GPS Is Wrong / Follow Posted Signs." It helped, but only some. To this day, I'm sure there are still a few clueless motorists blindly driving into Canada. State your citizenship, please.
While the I-94/I-69 interchange a couple miles west was being rebuilt last year, traffic crossovers resulted in one or two left-hand movements temporarily becoming right-hand movements. Signs were posted: "Follow Construction Signing Not GPS." Same kind of situation and probably the same results. Another epic sign of the times. :banghead:
You are right about that one where the users deliberately and stubbornly ignore the road signs because they conflict with directions given to them by the device is what is happening. I see evidence of that in the toll booth when they pull into my lane and have no money to pay the toll. In fact they rely solely on the debit card as well instead of carrying cash, so I hear this: "I had no idea I would be on a toll road as the GPS directed me here, here's my credit card" (while handing over to me in confidence that we take them). Then they get mad at our state for not showing compassion for those who do not choose to leave the cash at home, as if everyone has been doing that since George Washington. Of course they direct all political concerns to me as they think that once they tell me their complaints its like the State of Florida is listening on this and any matter against the toll concept.
The sort of thing wanderer2575 describes is one reason why so many sat-nav devices have those annoying nag screens when you start them up. Over three years after the I-495 HO/T lanes opened, I still occasionally see people in the left general-purpose lane of the Inner Loop slowing down to look for the left-hand exit to westbound I-66 because they never updated their sat-nav maps. I think that points to another problem: Lots of people buy the device and then assume it's correct for all time. Reminds me of back in the early 1990s when my father bought antivirus software but never updated it. Almost everyone understands that there's road construction and that new roads, exits, etc. open from time to time, so how is it so hard to understand that your electronic device's database may become outdated and therefore inaccurate?
Its mainly those who are post baby boomers who rely solely on them. Those who come into the toll blaming the GPS and us for not allowing them to go through for free or not take their credit or debit card are all either Millenials and Generation X (my generation) who wander into the toll facility without money or using the GPS to get the around.
It is a shame, that we rely too much on technology and that we do not use our own brains to get us from point a to point b and I do not mean for the places on the map too. People do not think at all for anything. We all need to talk to our best friends every second of the day, as for those in the pre cell phone age went by a whole day without speaking to our loved ones, friends, and of course we had to do it at home.
Most people are missing out so much.
I'm still having to use a GPS, but slowly and surely I'm starting to shy away from that practice. But the fact that I did that makes my generation horrible and I don't want those genes passed off to my children.
I know a member of the silent generation that relies exclusively on GPS
Also: If I was customs, I'd subject the blindly following GPS people to a rater intensive search. That would teach them not to ignore signs!
Given that I tend to avoid most main roads and freeway I tend to rely on map reading much more than a GPS. Generally I plan out routes way in advance and pretty much have all the DOT/511 numbers programmed into my phone already for all my surrounding states. With that said, a GPS can be really handy to have as a "heads up" display of the surrounding area. I can't count how many times I've found detours and surface roads that I didn't know were there. I didn't have one at all until about 2013 when I got one as a gift.
In a somewhat related story, most subjects in a study followed a robot than used known exits during a simulated fire alarm (http://www.engadget.com/2016/02/29/humans-trust-this-emergency-robot-more-than-common-sense/).
Quote from: roadman65 on February 28, 2016, 01:03:50 PMIts mainly those who are post baby boomers who rely solely on them.
I've seen plenty of GPS-blind-faith-idiocy displayed among baby boomers and older drivers (ones have been driving for
decades) as well.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 28, 2016, 01:03:50 PM
Its mainly those who are post baby boomers who rely solely on them. Those who come into the toll blaming the GPS and us for not allowing them to go through for free or not take their credit or debit card are all either Millenials and Generation X (my generation) who wander into the toll facility without money or using the GPS to get the around.
It is a shame, that we rely too much on technology and that we do not use our own brains to get us from point a to point b and I do not mean for the places on the map too. People do not think at all for anything. We all need to talk to our best friends every second of the day, as for those in the pre cell phone age went by a whole day without speaking to our loved ones, friends, and of course we had to do it at home.
Most people are missing out so much.
Off topic, but I find it incredibly stupid that in 2016 there are still cash-only (or worse: exact change only) toll booths. Why can't they throw credit/debit card readers up where the useless coin baskets are, like they do in Orange County, CA? Either that or go fully toll-by-plate like they did in south Florida?
See also: parking meters
Quote from: rawmustard on February 29, 2016, 12:43:40 PM
In a somewhat related story, most subjects in a study followed a robot than used known exits during a simulated fire alarm (http://www.engadget.com/2016/02/29/humans-trust-this-emergency-robot-more-than-common-sense/).
From what it appears, I agree with most of the commenters on that story: If a robot that's flashing 'Emergency Guide Robot' is telling you to leave a building and is taking you towards an exit, it's almost common sense to follow it. Even though another exit door was nearby, there may have been an unknown danger behind that door. If the robot was taking you towards smoke or an actual danger, then maybe there's an issue.
Kind of a flawed study, in my opinion.
I just drove to Ojinaga, Mexico and I did not use a GPS and I barely used my atlas. I knew exactly where I was the entire time. I know lots of people that use GPS's and they have no idea where they are going. Some of my friends drove down to Panama City, FL and I was asking them how they went and they had no idea. They could have been driving to Amarillo, TX and not have known any better.
Quote from: PHLBOS on February 29, 2016, 01:12:45 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 28, 2016, 01:03:50 PMIts mainly those who are post baby boomers who rely solely on them.
I've seen plenty of GPS-blind-faith-idiocy displayed among baby boomers and older drivers (ones have been driving for decades) as well.
Not as much here in Florida though. If there are elderly people in my booth using GPS they are mainly humble and do carry cash on them.
Quote from: wanderer2575 on February 28, 2016, 10:52:17 AM
While the I-94/I-69 interchange a couple miles west was being rebuilt last year, traffic crossovers resulted in one or two left-hand movements temporarily becoming right-hand movements. Signs were posted: "Follow Construction Signing Not GPS." Same kind of situation and probably the same results. Another epic sign of the times. :banghead:
I believe I saw that same sign back in 2011 after a Gold Cup game in Ford Field. I went up I-375, and south on I-75 trying to see that brand new interchange with I-96/I-75 and the Ambassador Bridge, of course, the ramps were not opened due to the dispute with Moroun (or something along those lines, I loosely followed the story) and I was forced to go to the next exit to get to the Ambassador Bridge, I remember seeing signs there at this detour saying "Follow Signs, Not GPS"
I tend not to use the GPS for actual navigation, but I often have the GPS on just following where I am. I find it's good to simply glance to see where you are relative to the major roads and what not. The situation I may use it for the most, suppose a road is closed in an area I am not too familiar with, I just glance at the GPS to find my way around the closure.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 29, 2016, 07:42:51 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on February 29, 2016, 01:12:45 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 28, 2016, 01:03:50 PMIts mainly those who are post baby boomers who rely solely on them.
I've seen plenty of GPS-blind-faith-idiocy displayed among baby boomers and older drivers (ones have been driving for decades) as well.
Not as much here in Florida though. If there are elderly people in my booth using GPS they are mainly humble and do carry cash on them.
The bus driver that crashed his bus carrying 42 passengers (mostly high school students) into a low overpass along Soldiers Field Road (a road with large overheight vehicle prohibition signs at every entrance ramp) in Boston a few years ago was
67 years old and practically admitted that he was relying on his GPS (obviously either it wasn't a commercial vehicle/grade type or was the vehicle height setting wasn't on nor set properly) to get around the area.
One not so severe GPS blunder: when a bunch of us were meeting at the Shady Maple Smorgasbord (located at the junction of US 322/PA 23 & 897 in Blue Ball, PA) for lunch; one driver (in his
upper 50s/lower 60s) coming from South Jersey used US 322 (he entered PA via the Commodore Barry Bridge) for the entire distance. While he did arrive at his destination; he arrived roughly an hour later than he would have had he used freeways & the PA Turnpike for the majority of his trip.
Part of me wanted to ask him had this gathering took place before the widespread use of GPS'; would he have used the same routing.