One thing that always fascinated me is the fact that VA 168 in Norfolk, VA has a short freeway segment at its north end in Ocean view However, one intersection prior to its end (Mason Creek Road) was left at grade.
I know there are a lot of examples like this where a road could be a complete freeway if only one intersection was grade separated, which really makes this thread about that. Or even if its a short segment, like this one as some of you might not consider VA 168 being a freeway being that its less than a mile long. However, this is about that one oddball intersection that breaks a streak so to say.
Are there any roads like this you would like to point out?
US 1 in NJ could be all freeway-like for its first 11 miles, except for one intersection with Bakers Basin Road at about the half-way point.
NJ 29 has 2 traffic lights just about right next to each other between 195 and downtown Trenton.
California has a ton of them, way too many to list so I'll just reel off some of the more notable:
US 101: Between L.A. and downtown San Fransisco there isn't traffic lights and for the most part it's a freeway. There are still at grade intersections scattered all over the place.
CA 58: Granted this will likely be a full freeway in the not so distant future but even in the four lane divided sections from Boron west to Bakersfield there are still at grade intersections here and there.
CA 60: Basically this is a full freeway from downtown L.A. to I-10 save for the last couple miles before the I-10 terminus where at grades intersections exist.
Makes me think of the Saw Mill River Parkway. There's at least one traffic light on it in Hastings-on-Hudson.
US 202/322 in West Chester, PA. It's a continuous freeway all the way south from King of Prussia, and before it merges with the old road south of West Chester, you have to contend with a traffic light at Matlack Street.
There's a 6-mile stretch of State Route 21 in the western suburbs of Akron, Ohio that would be a complete freeway from I-77 to I-76, if not for one at-grade intersection.
Within the last year, though, that intersection was modified. The traffic light was removed and left turns were eliminated at Minor Road. It's now more of a RIRO situation.
Link: http://www.ohio.com/news/local/minor-road-state-route-21-exit-lanes-to-be-lengthened-1.663439
Map: https://goo.gl/maps/RGwEdEAUdeM2
Autoroute 20 in Quebec has an at-grade rail crossing in Saint-Hyacinthe. I'm fairly sure the track is a spur and it rarely sees any rail traffic, but still, it feels uncomfortable to have to cross an at grade rail track on a freeway.
There are also two at-grade rail crossings on Route 2 in New Brunswick in the greater Moncton area, it would be nice if these tracks could be grade separated, no matter how inactive the rail is.
I guess one possible addition would be the oh-why/WTH at-grade crossing with signal on US 69-US 75 by the Choctaw casino between Calera and Durant, OK. I don't know if somebody thinks 1 whole person is gonna miss the turnoff to go gambling, or miss 1 of the 2 truck stops/smoke shops there or what, but too bad, build a overpass there anyway !! >ugh< (/rant)
NJ 18 has 17 lights (with a freeway-like section between #5 and #6) and a U-turn across the median in its 10-mile non-freeway section, which guess is not that impressive, but in the northern 3 miles or so there are only 2 lights, which seem to be easily eliminatable and would extend the northern freeway section to nearly 7 miles instead of the current 4
MA 2, implied exit 29.
Quote from: 1 on February 25, 2016, 02:26:13 PM
MA 2, implied exit 29.
Eh, it operates as a freeway enough as is; there isn't a traffic light there.
Quote from: Rothman on February 25, 2016, 02:41:53 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 25, 2016, 02:26:13 PM
MA 2, implied exit 29.
Eh, it operates as a freeway enough as is; there isn't a traffic light there.
Actually, eastbound the traffic light is active, given Mt. Elam Rd is a dead end street from that direction. It was kept there due to residents demanding it since they had no choice but to use that intersection to leave home. Westbound it's just a blinking yellow/blinking red situation.
Quote from: SectorZ on February 25, 2016, 04:58:29 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 25, 2016, 02:41:53 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 25, 2016, 02:26:13 PM
MA 2, implied exit 29.
Eh, it operates as a freeway enough as is; there isn't a traffic light there.
Actually, eastbound the traffic light is active, given Mt. Elam Rd is a dead end street from that direction. It was kept there due to residents demanding it since they had no choice but to use that intersection to leave home. Westbound it's just a blinking yellow/blinking red situation.
I've driven down that road lots of times, having grown up in western MA. Using GSV, if you move back and forth, actually shows EB as a yellow blinker as well. I've certainly never hit a red light ever there. I suppose I'll just count myself remarkably lucky. :D
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5476435,-71.813168,3a,75y,271.32h,93.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sktuK4SflAh3DRFBrCJaERw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
That said, a red light may be triggered when someone actually comes down the road nonetheless.
NY 198
The proposed US 219/I-86 interchange
The at-grade rail crossings on NY5/12, NY 49, and NY 840
The two remaining at-grades on NY 5/8/12 in Utica
US 22/322 in the Lewistown Narrows. Once you are close to Lewistown, there's an at grade rail crossing I've never seen used. I'm pretty sure that'll stay there forever.
US 322 between PA 45 to Potters Mills. You can connect the two freeway segment to create a continuous freeway from Harrisburg to State College.
CT 9 in Middletown. The 2 traffic lights prevent it from becoming a 3DI.
BC 91. It's 23 km (14 mi) long, and has one at-grade, smack in the middle. Apparently, there is work being done to remove the traffic lights there though. Other than that, it's full freeway.
VA 150 has a section between Forest Hill and VA 147 with at-grades and traffic signals.
Quote from: SignGeek101 on February 25, 2016, 11:15:25 PM
BC 91. It's 23 km (14 mi) long, and has one at-grade, smack in the middle. Apparently, there is work being done to remove the traffic lights there though. Other than that, it's full freeway.
Last I checked, the project is (unfortunately) still stalled. Delta/New Westminster conflicts regarding the original interchange design are mostly to blame.
If you can find some information about the interchange on a provincial website, big props to you. It's regarded online as a "ghost project"
The Christiansburg and Blacksburg bypasses on US-460 would be a single, contiguous 14-mile freeway were it not for a traffic light at Southgate Drive.
Nexus 6P
Quote from: Rothman on February 25, 2016, 05:54:01 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on February 25, 2016, 04:58:29 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 25, 2016, 02:41:53 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 25, 2016, 02:26:13 PM
MA 2, implied exit 29.
Eh, it operates as a freeway enough as is; there isn't a traffic light there.
Actually, eastbound the traffic light is active, given Mt. Elam Rd is a dead end street from that direction. It was kept there due to residents demanding it since they had no choice but to use that intersection to leave home. Westbound it's just a blinking yellow/blinking red situation.
I've driven down that road lots of times, having grown up in western MA. Using GSV, if you move back and forth, actually shows EB as a yellow blinker as well. I've certainly never hit a red light ever there. I suppose I'll just count myself remarkably lucky. :D
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5476435,-71.813168,3a,75y,271.32h,93.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sktuK4SflAh3DRFBrCJaERw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
That said, a red light may be triggered when someone actually comes down the road nonetheless.
That was what I meant to say, it is a yellow blinker that changes red when someone comes down Mt. Elam.
US 4 in western Vermont has an active grade crossing 1/4 mile from the eastern end.
NY 198 was mentioned. That was supposed to be a full freeway with a trench where the kid was hit, but old-timers have told me that they built it at grade due to the high water table. Knowing that the light rail tunnel has a major leak in that area from groundwater, it makes perfect sense.
WV 43 at I-68.
Quote from: Rothman on February 25, 2016, 10:08:00 AM
Makes me think of the Saw Mill River Parkway. There's at least one traffic light on it in Hastings-on-Hudson.
There's a lot more than one.
The "freeway" portion of the Saw Mill effectively ends at Executive Blvd. North of there there are over a dozen at grade intersections, although not all of them are signalized.
That said there are a couple decent runs where you don't have to worry about red lights. There are no signalized intersections between Lawrence St in Dobbs Ferry and Marble Ave in Thornwood (~11 miles) and none between Roaring Brook Rd and I-684 (~9 miles). Both of these segments contain unsignalized intersections where the median does not break and left turns are not allowed.
U.S. 29 in Maryland has sections that are full-freeway, other sections that are expressway, and still others that are just arterial highway with no access control.
Most of it in Howard County is either freeway or expressway.
In Montgomery County, it is arterial (long sections just a wide city street), but there are also expressway and freeway sections.
I forgot about US 1 in Chester County, PA. Just shy of the MD Border, it has one at grade intersection making it not a freeway to the actual state line.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 25, 2016, 10:06:15 AM
CA 60: Basically this is a full freeway from downtown L.A. to I-10 save for the last couple miles before the I-10 terminus where at grades intersections exist.
Somewhat similar to this case, Kansas has one present example and one future example of a route whose freeway portion ends shortly before connecting to another freeway. The present example is K-18, whose freeway portion ends just east of I-70, with only one at-grade intersection before the interchange. The future example is US 59, whose freeway portion ends a little over a mile south of K-10, which is a future freeway. The main difference between the CA 60 example and the two Kansas examples I've mentioned is that the interchange between I-70 and K-18 is a diamond, and the interchange between US 59 and K-10 will be a diamond, while the I-10 and CA 60 interchange has more free-flowing movements.
BC 99 is nearly a continuous freeway from south of downtown Vancouver to the US border (and then flowing into I-5), except for 1 at-grade T (https://www.google.com/maps/@49.0077026,-122.7576297,3a,75y,165.96h,67.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFbA-ME5MU4Lq2xHCBleo6g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) and duty-free access driveways right at the entrance to the border crossing. (Obviously, the border crossing itself is a gap in the freeway, but I give it a pass.)
SR 3/SR 16 is nearly a continuous freeway from I-5 in Tacoma through Bremerton to, well, nowhere much (SR 305 west of Poulsbo), except for the mile or so through Gorst (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.5363288,-122.692245,2773m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en), where all standards go out the window at various times.
South of the Alaskan Way Viaduct (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.5526574,-122.335698,13.9z?hl=en), SR 99 comes so close to connecting up with other freeways, but fails. First, you have the partial West Seattle Bridge (freeway) interchange, with no way to get to or from I-5, then a short gap of surface street, and then the horrible 99/509 interchange, with no obvious through path for SR 99.
From Indiana, Keystone Parkway in Carmel, a "freeway-like" highway runs free-flowing from U.S. 31 down to 96th Street where a major stoplight remains. Plans are for that stoplight to go ahead but the interchange with I-465 to the south has to signals at the end of the off-ramps and those won't be going away. South of there the roadway continues like a freeway for another mile past 86th Street.
Also, the U.S. 24 freeway in Allen County, running from the Ohio state line west to I-469, only at the 469 interchange, which was kept in its original configuration, is there signals.
The BL for I-49 for Joplin, MO which is a freeway a few miles leading into its northern terminus but the interchange at its end with its parent there is signalized. If they just eliminated the diamond interchange altogether at that location and just put in flyovers or anything that makes the smooth freeway to freeway transition they could have this business loop freeway part be I-49 along with MO 249 which is also a freeway. It would eliminate its overlap with I-44 and no need to have I-49 pass through single lane ramps at either end of the I-44 concurrency too. That is providing they make a two lane connection of course.
Quote from: Duke87 on February 27, 2016, 01:03:14 PM
There's a lot more than one.
The "freeway" portion of the Saw Mill effectively ends at Executive Blvd. North of there there are over a dozen at grade intersections, although not all of them are signalized.
Hell, there's even one right next to the end of the southbound ramp from the New York State Thruway. I don't know why they don't close the thing and turn it into a dead end street.
The M-53 bypass around Romeo MI was twinned and several grade separations were constructed, but there are still three at-grade intersections. In a very unusual move for MDOT, most of the expressway is posted at 70mph. The speed limit drops to 55mph at the intersections and then goes back to 70mph.
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 28, 2016, 12:07:27 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on February 27, 2016, 01:03:14 PM
There's a lot more than one.
The "freeway" portion of the Saw Mill effectively ends at Executive Blvd. North of there there are over a dozen at grade intersections, although not all of them are signalized.
Hell, there's even one right next to the end of the southbound ramp from the New York State Thruway. I don't know why they don't close the thing and turn it into a dead end street.
There's so much wrong with that area that it isn't funny. If they closed the road off, they might actually be able to get rid of the stop sign on the ramp.
Quote from: cl94 on February 28, 2016, 12:14:39 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 28, 2016, 12:07:27 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on February 27, 2016, 01:03:14 PM
There's a lot more than one.
The "freeway" portion of the Saw Mill effectively ends at Executive Blvd. North of there there are over a dozen at grade intersections, although not all of them are signalized.
Hell, there's even one right next to the end of the southbound ramp from the New York State Thruway. I don't know why they don't close the thing and turn it into a dead end street.
There's so much wrong with that area that it isn't funny. If they closed the road off, they might actually be able to get rid of the stop sign on the ramp.
I checked it out and of course the freeway to freeway (well almost anyway as SawMill is really an expressway with alternating freeways segments in between) is so outdated with a complete STOP at the end of the ramp between the two major arteries.
Also they forgot to install a directional banners NB on the ramp to the NB Thruway from the SawMill. I know that most people would not be looking for I-87 SB going that way, but I am quite certain as I about this forum being here, that some moron will be looking for it and end up at the Woodbury Toll Barrier looking for Yonkers Raceway or Midtown Manhattan.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 28, 2016, 01:17:10 PM
Quote from: cl94 on February 28, 2016, 12:14:39 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 28, 2016, 12:07:27 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on February 27, 2016, 01:03:14 PM
There's a lot more than one.
The "freeway" portion of the Saw Mill effectively ends at Executive Blvd. North of there there are over a dozen at grade intersections, although not all of them are signalized.
Hell, there's even one right next to the end of the southbound ramp from the New York State Thruway. I don't know why they don't close the thing and turn it into a dead end street.
There's so much wrong with that area that it isn't funny. If they closed the road off, they might actually be able to get rid of the stop sign on the ramp.
I checked it out and of course the freeway to freeway (well almost anyway as SawMill is really an expressway with alternating freeways segments in between) is so outdated with a complete STOP at the end of the ramp between the two major arteries.
Also they forgot to install a directional banners NB on the ramp to the NB Thruway from the SawMill. I know that most people would not be looking for I-87 SB going that way, but I am quite certain as I about this forum being here, that some moron will be looking for it and end up at the Woodbury Toll Barrier looking for Yonkers Raceway or Midtown Manhattan.
There is one a mile back (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0288156,-73.8447391,3a,49y,21.43h,84.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDD1uddGi5hcXpt4wgJIF6w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) and a ground-mounted assembly 1/4 mile south of the ramp.
It only takes one. Remember to most non road geeks an EXIT ONLY warning sign is not a visible sign for a right lane drop and are still making that last moment unsafe lane change at exit ramps that steal the right lane.
Quote from: SectorZ on February 26, 2016, 09:34:56 AM
Quote from: Rothman on February 25, 2016, 05:54:01 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on February 25, 2016, 04:58:29 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 25, 2016, 02:41:53 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 25, 2016, 02:26:13 PM
MA 2, implied exit 29.
Eh, it operates as a freeway enough as is; there isn't a traffic light there.
Actually, eastbound the traffic light is active, given Mt. Elam Rd is a dead end street from that direction. It was kept there due to residents demanding it since they had no choice but to use that intersection to leave home. Westbound it's just a blinking yellow/blinking red situation.
I've driven down that road lots of times, having grown up in western MA. Using GSV, if you move back and forth, actually shows EB as a yellow blinker as well. I've certainly never hit a red light ever there. I suppose I'll just count myself remarkably lucky. :D
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5476435,-71.813168,3a,75y,271.32h,93.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sktuK4SflAh3DRFBrCJaERw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
That said, a red light may be triggered when someone actually comes down the road nonetheless.
That was what I meant to say, it is a yellow blinker that changes red when someone comes down Mt. Elam.
I was just there and it's very much a functioning signal for EB traffic, not a blinking yellow.
On US-20 just west of Galena (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4620768,-90.515636,3a,75y,313.31h,86.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sc_P1L54QMZwf180hNd_Oyw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), IDOT decided to only put up one bridge and ramps (WB) where it intersects with this road. The EB traffic just intersects with it directly. If you gander over to the WB side, you can see how poorly the exit is signed as well.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on March 11, 2016, 04:47:23 PM
On US-20 just west of Galena (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4620768,-90.515636,3a,75y,313.31h,86.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sc_P1L54QMZwf180hNd_Oyw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), IDOT decided to only put up one bridge and ramps (WB) where it intersects with this road. The EB traffic just intersects with it directly. If you gander over to the WB side, you can see how poorly the exit is signed as well.
Wow. I've never seen one side at-grade and the other with a diamond before. Is it being planned to be finished? It seems like this type of thing was planned to be converted to a diamond, but was never done for some reason.
Quote from: SignGeek101 on March 11, 2016, 04:49:19 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on March 11, 2016, 04:47:23 PM
On US-20 just west of Galena (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4620768,-90.515636,3a,75y,313.31h,86.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sc_P1L54QMZwf180hNd_Oyw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), IDOT decided to only put up one bridge and ramps (WB) where it intersects with this road. The EB traffic just intersects with it directly. If you gander over to the WB side, you can see how poorly the exit is signed as well.
Wow. I've never seen one side at-grade and the other with a diamond before. Is it being planned to be finished? It seems like this type of thing was planned to be converted to a diamond, but was never done for some reason.
I'm not local to that area, so I can't say for sure. I'm guessing because it's Illinois, it was a lack of funds, space, or interest to be completed. Neither road is really that busy, so it's manageable for the time being. Still, it's an oddity and something I've never seen outside of there.
^^ It was slated for freeway conversion so it would wait until never it seems.
Another instance is US 1 in front of Patriots stadium:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gillette+Stadium/@42.097442,-71.2653021,3a,75y,142.14h,83.84t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIkY8NOOan9INUut9fHWCBg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DIkY8NOOan9INUut9fHWCBg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D57.90675%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x89e4632476f73d67:0x68f66bebfe4bcade!6m1!1e1
Quote from: Big John on March 11, 2016, 06:52:07 PM
Another instance is US 1 in front of Patriots stadium:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gillette+Stadium/@42.097442,-71.2653021,3a,75y,142.14h,83.84t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIkY8NOOan9INUut9fHWCBg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DIkY8NOOan9INUut9fHWCBg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D57.90675%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x89e4632476f73d67:0x68f66bebfe4bcade!6m1!1e1
This is definitely a worse example of the half diamond. It's in a relatively busy area it seems and it probably should have the bridge.
One example from the UK: the A4053 (Coventry Ring Road) at the A4114. The outer loop goes over the roundabout, but the inner loop is an at-grade bypass (the slip ramps for the roundabout are on the right-hand side -- a big no-no in the UK). On either side of the junction, these "through" lanes becomes exit-only lanes. The rest of the dual carriageway has the through lanes as the right two lanes, but at this junction, the through lanes briefly switch to the left two lanes. I can't even imagine the weaving
https://goo.gl/FpRuJ6
Quote from: SignGeek101 on March 11, 2016, 04:49:19 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on March 11, 2016, 04:47:23 PM
On US-20 just west of Galena (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4620768,-90.515636,3a,75y,313.31h,86.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sc_P1L54QMZwf180hNd_Oyw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), IDOT decided to only put up one bridge and ramps (WB) where it intersects with this road. The EB traffic just intersects with it directly. If you gander over to the WB side, you can see how poorly the exit is signed as well.
Wow. I've never seen one side at-grade and the other with a diamond before. Is it being planned to be finished? It seems like this type of thing was planned to be converted to a diamond, but was never done for some reason.
there are other places with setups like that. Seems like when the old 2 lane road was dueled they build the over pass.
VA 37 stops being a freeway (and ends? There's a SR 642 posting at that interchange) just short of its interchange with I-81 south of Winchester (a diamond), and ends just before it could have one north of Winchester (merges onto US 11 in a partial interchange that requires using a surface street to connect to southbound US 11).
US209 between PA 33 and Stroudsburg/I-80 acts like an eastern spur of the freeway north of the Allentown area, but has a light right in the middle of it. Seems like such a waste (though a lot of PA33 traffic is heading northwest from I-78 in New Jersey to I-80 WB, it still just seems wrong.
OH 11 is a full freeway from it's end in East Liverpool/WV border (where US30 crosses into WV) until it's end in Ashtabula right by Lake Erie. EXCEPT the hack-jobbed rest area that requires crossing the SB lane for NB travelers wanting to use the rest area. True, also, the I-90 ramps are subpar (they're getting fixed now), but the rest area is the biggest crack.
Another novelty would be OH7 between Martins Ferry and around the Shadyside area just south of Bellaire is a freeway. The I-470 interchange is substandard (left exit which meets at a grade-separated light), but just south of there there's a flashing yellow for a crossroad. Otherwise, it's freeway.
Quote from: jakeroot on March 12, 2016, 02:07:37 PM
One example from the UK: the A4053 (Coventry Ring Road) at the A4114. The outer loop goes over the roundabout, but the inner loop is an at-grade bypass (the slip ramps for the roundabout are on the right-hand side -- a big no-no in the UK). On either side of the junction, these "through" lanes becomes exit-only lanes. The rest of the dual carriageway has the through lanes as the right two lanes, but at this junction, the through lanes briefly switch to the left two lanes. I can't even imagine the weaving
It's errr, "fun". Actually, that way is alright - it's the other way that's the problem - most traffic joining the ring road anti-clockwise there at J4 aren't leaving at J3, whereas most traffic on the road from J5 to J4 is turning off at J3 or J4 (the latter especially true of that coming from J6 and beyond). The right exit/entrance actually reduces weaving.
When I saw A4053, I presumed you were going to point out how there's an at-grade roundabout at J1 spoiling it from being fully grade-separated insanity.
Quote from: english si on March 15, 2016, 07:41:04 PM
When I saw A4053, I presumed you were going to point out how there's an at-grade roundabout at J1 spoiling it from being fully grade-separated insanity.
Any chance the Highways Agency will grade-separate that roundabout? :-D
WA-522 has been upgraded to full freeway standards, with two lanes in each direction, from I-405 in Bothell to US 2 in Monroe, except for an at-grade intersection in Maltby with WA-524 and a two-lane segment just north of that. A new bridge over the Snohomish River was completed last year to expand it to 4 lanes, thankfully, moving the pinch/chokepoint further southwest.
Quote from: Bruce on March 16, 2016, 01:51:49 AM
WA-522 has been upgraded to full freeway standards, with two lanes in each direction, from I-405 in Bothell to US 2 in Monroe, except for an at-grade intersection in Maltby with WA-524 and a two-lane segment just north of that. A new bridge over the Snohomish River was completed last year to expand it to 4 lanes, thankfully, moving the pinch/chokepoint further southwest.
I'm glad that WSDOT finally got some funding for that Maltby junction...too bad it's only for the design! http://goo.gl/cOcbfI
Looks like they have some big plans for that area. Lots of proposed realignments.
US 22/30 where it leaves I-376 near Pittsburgh Airport. Its got some traffic signals at that interchange, but basically going WB from the interchange independent US 22/30 is a freeway just as the interstate is. You figure a freeway to freeway connection would have been built instead of this.
However the same goes from PA 581 to S Bound US 15 at Camp Hill near Harrisburg with one traffic light governing the movement between the two freeways as well.
Also I-99 and I-80 they never built the typical freeway to freeway interchange, but stopped I-99 a few hundred feet south of I-80 as well.
I-283 at PA 283.
So what's happening here is that you have to make a tight loop ramp onto a surface street briefly, then turn right at the beginning of PA 283 (vice versa). The other movements place you on PA 283 because the route has already begun at the surface street. Only SB-EB does this (vice versa).
The CT 72 extension into Bristol is a letdown considering what it could have been and could be. Should've been a freeway extension to CT 8 in Thomaston. Instead, the extension is a 4 lane boulevard about 1.5 mi long with at grade intersections and a 40 MPH limit connecting to an existing street running parallel to the old route. Once there, the route has plenty of at grade intersections and business driveways.
Quote from: jakeroot on March 15, 2016, 08:01:13 PMAny chance the Highways Agency will grade-separate that roundabout? :-D
It's Coventry City Council's road, rather than a trunk road and always has been.
And no. If it wasn't done with the rest of the road, it won't be done now. J6 was recently remade to make it less of a barrier, and adding more grade-separation would be against that (as well as making the road flow worse)
I-676/US 30 - Vine Expressway/Ben Franklin Bridge interchange in Philadelphia. The thru- I-676/US 30 movements (Expressway to Bridge & vice-versa) involve encountering two signalized intersections (one for each direction).
There were plans to construct the above as a full-free-movement highway-to-highway/bridge interchange but was dropped when the Vine Expressway (eastern half) was scaled down to its current design during the 1980s. Proposals of converting the current interchange with free-movement ramps have been talked about from time to time but no action has been taken to advance such from CAD screens & posterboards to reality..
Quote from: PHLBOS on March 16, 2016, 01:09:37 PM
I-676/US 30 - Vine Expressway/Ben Franklin Bridge interchange in Philadelphia. The thru- I-676/US 30 movements (Expressway to Bridge & vice-versa) involve encountering two signalized intersections (one for each direction).
There were plans to construct the above as a full-free-movement highway-to-highway/bridge interchange but was dropped when the Vine Expressway (eastern half) was scaled down to its current design during the 1980s. Proposals of converting the current interchange with free-movement ramps have been talked about from time to time but no action has been taken to advance such from CAD screens & posterboards to reality..
Gotta love that that block of 6th St is part of the Interstate system.
I wonder if there were ever plans to tunnel under 6th St and the Lightning Bolt sculpture and connect with the bridge that way.
Quote from: ekt8750 on March 16, 2016, 04:20:45 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on March 16, 2016, 01:09:37 PM
I-676/US 30 - Vine Expressway/Ben Franklin Bridge interchange in Philadelphia. The thru- I-676/US 30 movements (Expressway to Bridge & vice-versa) involve encountering two signalized intersections (one for each direction).
There were plans to construct the above as a full-free-movement highway-to-highway/bridge interchange but was dropped when the Vine Expressway (eastern half) was scaled down to its current design during the 1980s. Proposals of converting the current interchange with free-movement ramps have been talked about from time to time but no action has been taken to advance such from CAD screens & posterboards to reality..
Gotta love that that block of 6th St is part of the Interstate system.
I wonder if there were ever plans to tunnel under 6th St and the Lightning Bolt sculpture and connect with the bridge that way.
Nope. There's a subway system there that's in the way. In fact, there's an entire subway station there that hasn't been used since the 1970's.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 16, 2016, 04:24:34 PM
Quote from: ekt8750 on March 16, 2016, 04:20:45 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on March 16, 2016, 01:09:37 PM
I-676/US 30 - Vine Expressway/Ben Franklin Bridge interchange in Philadelphia. The thru- I-676/US 30 movements (Expressway to Bridge & vice-versa) involve encountering two signalized intersections (one for each direction).
There were plans to construct the above as a full-free-movement highway-to-highway/bridge interchange but was dropped when the Vine Expressway (eastern half) was scaled down to its current design during the 1980s. Proposals of converting the current interchange with free-movement ramps have been talked about from time to time but no action has been taken to advance such from CAD screens & posterboards to reality..
Gotta love that that block of 6th St is part of the Interstate system.
I wonder if there were ever plans to tunnel under 6th St and the Lightning Bolt sculpture and connect with the bridge that way.
Nope. There's a subway system there that's in the way. In fact, there's an entire subway station there that hasn't been used since the 1970's.
and yet it still could be reopened (http://www.phillymag.com/news/2015/11/19/franklin-square-patco-could-open-again/).
US 74 between Albemarle Rd and Eastway (?) still has some at grade intersections - probably because of the Coliseum...
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 16, 2016, 04:24:34 PM
Quote from: ekt8750 on March 16, 2016, 04:20:45 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on March 16, 2016, 01:09:37 PM
I-676/US 30 - Vine Expressway/Ben Franklin Bridge interchange in Philadelphia. The thru- I-676/US 30 movements (Expressway to Bridge & vice-versa) involve encountering two signalized intersections (one for each direction).
There were plans to construct the above as a full-free-movement highway-to-highway/bridge interchange but was dropped when the Vine Expressway (eastern half) was scaled down to its current design during the 1980s. Proposals of converting the current interchange with free-movement ramps have been talked about from time to time but no action has been taken to advance such from CAD screens & posterboards to reality..
Gotta love that that block of 6th St is part of the Interstate system.
I wonder if there were ever plans to tunnel under 6th St and the Lightning Bolt sculpture and connect with the bridge that way.
Nope. There's a subway system there that's in the way. In fact, there's an entire subway station there that hasn't been used since the 1970's.
For those not completely familiar with the area, the Franklin Square Station (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9557958,-75.1502852,18.04z) is located on the west side of Franklin Square itself (along 7th St.).
Location of former entrance (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9551145,-75.1512269,3a,75y,37.04h,85.7t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWAcKrpRpQkO-ihB7RTy9hg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWAcKrpRpQkO-ihB7RTy9hg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D48.284492%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656).
Quote from: roadman65 on March 16, 2016, 05:50:57 AM
US 22/30 where it leaves I-376 near Pittsburgh Airport. Its got some traffic signals at that interchange, but basically going WB from the interchange independent US 22/30 is a freeway just as the interstate is. You figure a freeway to freeway connection would have been built instead of this.
However the same goes from PA 581 to S Bound US 15 at Camp Hill near Harrisburg with one traffic light governing the movement between the two freeways as well.
Also I-99 and I-80 they never built the typical freeway to freeway interchange, but stopped I-99 a few hundred feet south of I-80 as well.
What makes that US22/30/I-376 interchange more maddening was that it WAS a full freeway interchange that was scaled back. Previously, on 376 WB, you had a right ramp that took you to Campbells Run Rd and then the loop ramp under that only went to WB 22. Essentially, it was a very tight cloverleaf with the one leg cut short from 376 WB to PA 60 EB). But, with the high traffic on the ramps, merging traffic became a nightmare.
So, they turned it into a parclo with the lights. Rumor was a 376 WB/US22-30 WB flyover ramp is a long term goal. But, not a pressing issue.
US-29 at Diamondback Drive in Columbia, MD. MD SHA has already removed the other at-grade intersections on 29 in Columbia.
MD-100, implied exits 21 and 22.
MD-32 between MD-108 and I-70, though I think construction is planned to fix this. See the implied exit 23 recently constructed at Linden Church Road, the entrance to the Dayton MD SHA shop at implied exit 25, and implied exit 27 with Ten Oaks Road/Burntwoods Road.
US 15/PA 581 - both freeways, but the interchange has stoplights. Worse, it used to be a freeway/freeway interchange, and is on the Rochester/DC corridor, which IMO should be made entirely freeway.
Quote from: vdeane on March 17, 2016, 06:26:40 PM
US 15/PA 581 - both freeways, but the interchange has stoplights. Worse, it used to be a freeway/freeway interchange, and is on the Rochester/DC corridor, which IMO should be made entirely freeway.
This is the route I take to/from the Harrisburg area. The 15/581 interchange has stoplights because of the lane configuration. You have three lanes coming off the ramp from PA 581 west to US 15 South, which is three lanes at the beginning of a freeway. If there were no stoplight there that would be quite the CF of a merge. But they can't (I suppose) widen 15 to make that a smooth merge unless they knock down the Boscov's there.
Adding to this suggestion, the entire section of US-15 in PA through Dillsburg, from County Line Road through to Carroll Drive. IMO, this should be a bypass route and keep the original road as Business 15 through Dillsburg. Looking at Google Maps, it seems like a bypass to the west to carry US-15 proper would probably be do-able.
(Furthermore, WHY does US-15 in southern PA NOT have exit numbers?)
MD 140 from the end of I-795 all the way through to Westminster is in most places a freeway-quality road, and in some places I would say even Interstate grade. In several places, Old Westminster Pike could function as a kind of frontage / service road. BUT it's covered with at-grade intersections, stoplights, and businesses that have no other road access.
This one likely belongs in the "fictional highways" thread, but I'd say extend I-795 through to Gettysburg so that Baltimore-Gettysburg is an all-freeway route. Hell, connect it to the PA Turnpike (via the US-15 modifications previously mentioned) and renumber it to I-776 -- A spur (1st digit odd) 3di that actually connects to its parent which 795 does not, and I-776 kinda looks like 1776 so you can say take 1776 to Gettysburg.
Quote from: tckma on March 18, 2016, 12:19:22 PM
Quote from: vdeane on March 17, 2016, 06:26:40 PM
US 15/PA 581 - both freeways, but the interchange has stoplights. Worse, it used to be a freeway/freeway interchange, and is on the Rochester/DC corridor, which IMO should be made entirely freeway.
This is the route I take to/from the Harrisburg area. The 15/581 interchange has stoplights because of the lane configuration. You have three lanes coming off the ramp from PA 581 west to US 15 South, which is three lanes at the beginning of a freeway. If there were no stoplight there that would be quite the CF of a merge. But they can't (I suppose) widen 15 to make that a smooth merge unless they knock down the Boscov's there.
Adding to this suggestion, the entire section of US-15 in PA through Dillsburg, from County Line Road through to Carroll Drive. IMO, this should be a bypass route and keep the original road as Business 15 through Dillsburg. Looking at Google Maps, it seems like a bypass to the west to carry US-15 proper would probably be do-able.
(Furthermore, WHY does US-15 in southern PA NOT have exit numbers?)
The whole issue appears to be a result of the decision to make that loop ramp three lanes. They need a light to deal with the number of lanes, but it would appear that they only need the lanes because of the light. Also, there's the US 15 NB to PA 581 WB left turn abomination too, and that's where the through traffic from Washington, DC to Rochester, NY travels!
Quote from: vdeane on March 18, 2016, 01:34:54 PM
Quote from: tckma on March 18, 2016, 12:19:22 PM
Quote from: vdeane on March 17, 2016, 06:26:40 PM
US 15/PA 581 - both freeways, but the interchange has stoplights. Worse, it used to be a freeway/freeway interchange, and is on the Rochester/DC corridor, which IMO should be made entirely freeway.
This is the route I take to/from the Harrisburg area. The 15/581 interchange has stoplights because of the lane configuration. You have three lanes coming off the ramp from PA 581 west to US 15 South, which is three lanes at the beginning of a freeway. If there were no stoplight there that would be quite the CF of a merge. But they can't (I suppose) widen 15 to make that a smooth merge unless they knock down the Boscov's there.
Adding to this suggestion, the entire section of US-15 in PA through Dillsburg, from County Line Road through to Carroll Drive. IMO, this should be a bypass route and keep the original road as Business 15 through Dillsburg. Looking at Google Maps, it seems like a bypass to the west to carry US-15 proper would probably be do-able.
(Furthermore, WHY does US-15 in southern PA NOT have exit numbers?)
The whole issue appears to be a result of the decision to make that loop ramp three lanes. They need a light to deal with the number of lanes, but it would appear that they only need the lanes because of the light. Also, there's the US 15 NB to PA 581 WB left turn abomination too, and that's where the through traffic from Washington, DC to Rochester, NY travels!
I don't know, what if they removed one of the lanes in that big loop ramp, as there are an impressive 3 lanes in a loop ramp. If it's the wide loop ramp that causes the need for the light, why can't they instead, erect a long flyover ramp that carries two lanes over, and conveniently dumps you onto US-15?
Quote from: MisterSG1 on March 18, 2016, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: vdeane on March 18, 2016, 01:34:54 PM
Quote from: tckma on March 18, 2016, 12:19:22 PM
Quote from: vdeane on March 17, 2016, 06:26:40 PM
US 15/PA 581 - both freeways, but the interchange has stoplights. Worse, it used to be a freeway/freeway interchange, and is on the Rochester/DC corridor, which IMO should be made entirely freeway.
This is the route I take to/from the Harrisburg area. The 15/581 interchange has stoplights because of the lane configuration. You have three lanes coming off the ramp from PA 581 west to US 15 South, which is three lanes at the beginning of a freeway. If there were no stoplight there that would be quite the CF of a merge. But they can't (I suppose) widen 15 to make that a smooth merge unless they knock down the Boscov's there.
Adding to this suggestion, the entire section of US-15 in PA through Dillsburg, from County Line Road through to Carroll Drive. IMO, this should be a bypass route and keep the original road as Business 15 through Dillsburg. Looking at Google Maps, it seems like a bypass to the west to carry US-15 proper would probably be do-able.
(Furthermore, WHY does US-15 in southern PA NOT have exit numbers?)
The whole issue appears to be a result of the decision to make that loop ramp three lanes. They need a light to deal with the number of lanes, but it would appear that they only need the lanes because of the light. Also, there's the US 15 NB to PA 581 WB left turn abomination too, and that's where the through traffic from Washington, DC to Rochester, NY travels!
I don't know, what if they removed one of the lanes in that big loop ramp, as there are an impressive 3 lanes in a loop ramp. If it's the wide loop ramp that causes the need for the light, why can't they instead, erect a long flyover ramp that carries two lanes over, and conveniently dumps you onto US-15?
This is PennDOT we're talking about. They will do whatever is the cheapest option at the moment regardless of future costs or demand. PTC is no better (see: King of Prussia interchange with room for 2 lanes on extremely tight loop ramp).
Palatine Road at wheeling road
IL-83 has a few kind of's
o plaine rd and IL-120
Quote from: cl94 on March 18, 2016, 06:57:05 PM
This is PennDOT we're talking about. They will do whatever is the cheapest option at the moment regardless of future costs or demand. PTC is no better (see: King of Prussia interchange with room for 2 lanes on extremely tight loop ramp).
Not sure I agree with you there. The complete and total resurfacing of I-380 when I was in college in the mid-to-late-1990s (I took 80-380-81 from Long Island to the Finger Lakes region) didn't seem like a particularly inexpensive option compared with patching potholes. They had that road one lane in each direction for close to two years, too, which means paying all those people working on the road for that long.
(I used to joke with college friends from my area I drove up to school with after this construction was complete -- there was a sign for the Dunmore area that says "Dunmore Exits" with a list -- I'd say, "Look, they told us what they did with the construction. They done more exits.")
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 28, 2016, 12:07:27 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on February 27, 2016, 01:03:14 PM
There's a lot more than one.
The "freeway" portion of the Saw Mill effectively ends at Executive Blvd. North of there there are over a dozen at grade intersections, although not all of them are signalized.
Hell, there's even one right next to the end of the southbound ramp from the New York State Thruway. I don't know why they don't close the thing and turn it into a dead end street.
What genius came up with that idea?
Infamous in Central New York is the North South Arterial in Utica. They just spent a ton of money upgrading the viaduct on what could theoretically be an expressway from Binghamton to Utica and points north, but there are 2 traffic lights in the middle of it. There is also an at grade railroad crossing that should be eliminated near the NY-840 interchange.
Quote from: Sykotyk on March 17, 2016, 01:49:35 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 16, 2016, 05:50:57 AM
US 22/30 where it leaves I-376 near Pittsburgh Airport. Its got some traffic signals at that interchange, but basically going WB from the interchange independent US 22/30 is a freeway just as the interstate is. You figure a freeway to freeway connection would have been built instead of this.
However the same goes from PA 581 to S Bound US 15 at Camp Hill near Harrisburg with one traffic light governing the movement between the two freeways as well.
Also I-99 and I-80 they never built the typical freeway to freeway interchange, but stopped I-99 a few hundred feet south of I-80 as well.
What makes that US22/30/I-376 interchange more maddening was that it WAS a full freeway interchange that was scaled back. Previously, on 376 WB, you had a right ramp that took you to Campbells Run Rd and then the loop ramp under that only went to WB 22. Essentially, it was a very tight cloverleaf with the one leg cut short from 376 WB to PA 60 EB). But, with the high traffic on the ramps, merging traffic became a nightmare.
So, they turned it into a parclo with the lights. Rumor was a 376 WB/US22-30 WB flyover ramp is a long term goal. But, not a pressing issue.
Overall, the parclo is an improvement over the old cloverleaf. The weaves were bad. In the current setup, traffic from I-376 WB to US 22/30 WB basically never has to stop because while there is a traffic light, it would only stop that movement for a pedestrian and there never are because it's otherwise a freeway to the west. Traffic from US 22/30 EB to I-376 EB has a free flowing right turn.
Quote from: Buffaboy on March 21, 2016, 07:35:11 PM
Infamous in Central New York is the North South Arterial in Utica. They just spent a ton of money upgrading the viaduct on what could theoretically be an expressway from Binghamton to Utica and points north, but there are 2 traffic lights in the middle of it. There is also an at grade railroad crossing that should be eliminated near the NY-840 interchange.
I'm not sure if that section of NY 5/12 is considered a freeway or not. In any case, a freeway-freeway connection doesn't exist between NY 5 east/NY 12 north and NY 8 south, so there's more issues than that... not to mention the at-grade crossings on NY 840 right there (definitely a freeway), and NY 49 (which might become future I-790!).
Quote from: tckma on March 17, 2016, 04:58:09 PM
US-29 at Diamondback Drive in Columbia, MD. MD SHA has already removed the other at-grade intersections on 29 in Columbia.
MD-100, implied exits 21 and 22.
MD-32 between MD-108 and I-70, though I think construction is planned to fix this. See the implied exit 23 recently constructed at Linden Church Road, the entrance to the Dayton MD SHA shop at implied exit 25, and implied exit 27 with Ten Oaks Road/Burntwoods Road.
MD 32 is definitely going to become a full freeway between MD 108 and I-70. The state has committed to constructing a 2nd carriage way between MD 108 and Linden Church Road and I believe the next major construction project will be the removal of most of the driveways and side roads.
US 1/MD 24 in Bel Air fits into a similar category. It was always supposed to be a freeway grade bypass but the state ran out of money or move it elsewhere and left behind a half-complete partial freeway that is mostly grade separated but has at-grade crossings for through traffic on MD 24 south.
If PennDOT connected I-70 to the Penna Turnpike when it was built the box of Pandora would have never opened. The added cars and trucks to US 30 when the interstate was built would have never graced the streets of Breezewood that now gives them their economy.
That should have all been done back then, as the original Breezewood interchange on the Turnpike was only a simple connection between the toll road and the US route. Businesses there were only relying on some motorists to stop there at that time and that was it. Give them more patrons even if its only temporary, will get them used to another realm that they do not want to ever go back to the original one.
So not going the whole 100 yards here for sure.
Quote from: jay8g on February 27, 2016, 11:04:31 PM
South of the Alaskan Way Viaduct (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.5526574,-122.335698,13.9z?hl=en), SR 99 comes so close to connecting up with other freeways, but fails. First, you have the partial West Seattle Bridge (freeway) interchange, with no way to get to or from I-5, then a short gap of surface street, and then the horrible 99/509 interchange, with no obvious through path for SR 99.
Yeah, my last trip to Seattle, we were staying at a hotel next to the Southcenter mall. We were driving back to the hotel from downtown. Due to where we were at, we took SR-99. But we (understandably so) missed the turn off for SR-99. Part of the problem is I thought I was looking for an exit for SR-599, and not SR-99 (makes sense, going northbound the exit off I-5 is for SR-599). I never actually noticed that we were on the wrong highway, until the SR-518 exit. Luckily, that exit was signed "SR-508 to I-5, Sea Tac Airport", so it was obvious to me I needed to go that way. It only ended up a small detour in the end, but yeah that area can be confusing. Especially with the similarly named highways 509, 599, and 99.
Another example. US-97 in Bend (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.052564,-121.2991096,12.84z?hl=en)...oh boy. There's no reason this whole corridor shouldn't be a full 55 MPH complete freeway. Instead, they decided to tack on bike lanes and a side walk that nobody uses, put in RIROs (3 northbound, 6 southbound; previously 2 and 5 respectively) without proper accel/decel lanes (c'mon ODOT, those would have been easy to throw in!), and a 45 MPH speed limit that nobody follows. On top of that, no direct connection with the eastern half of US-20. Yes, there's not much room for an interchange there, but they should have at least tried. Also, it seems like they ran out of money when they built it, or the city grew too fast around the original plans, something like that. Because north of US-20, there's a very congested retail area with 2 signals. And on the south side, there is a signal at Powers Rd. Credit here though, there used to also be signals at Pinebrook and the south end of 3rd St., those are both gone now.
Similarly, the more recent bypass of downtown Redmond, only bypasses the north half of town, leaving 4 signals still on the highway in Redmond. Vast improvement over the previous configuration, but the area east of the current alignment is sparsely populated, they could have figured something else out.
I could list a few pages of just those in my neck of the woods in SE PA thanks to PennDOT. My local favorite from the recent past has to do with the recent US202 section 700 Parkway project. The southern end of the project around brought four lanes on 202 to within a quarter mile of the next four lane section (ending just north of Sumneytown Pike).
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2106082,-75.2538861,3a,75y,187.24h,66.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWq5opGraYseSGxkxrfgvNg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2106082,-75.2538861,3a,75y,187.24h,66.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWq5opGraYseSGxkxrfgvNg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1)
Of course there remains a two lane section in between which results in jams every day.. Supposedly there remain plans to complete this portion with a follow-up project, but the amount wasted already to squeeze traffic back into the 2 lanes boggles my mind. Why put bother putting curbing and drainage in that you'll have to rip out in a few years? Urgh, but that's par for the course around here..
At Orange Blossom Trail on Taft-Vineland Road in Orlando had Taft Vineland widened to four lanes between OBT and nearby John Young Parkway. However they did not widen it to four lanes up to OBT, but stopped about 100 feet short. The road narrows from four to two before the busy OBT/ Taft-Vineland Intersection. They should have had the road narrow at the intersection proper being its only a stones throw away and now resulting in a new choke point.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 26, 2016, 12:39:08 PM
At Orange Blossom Trail on Taft-Vineland Road in Orlando had Taft Vineland widened to four lanes between OBT and nearby John Young Parkway. However they did not widen it to four lanes up to OBT, but stopped about 100 feet short. The road narrows from four to two before the busy OBT/ Taft-Vineland Intersection. They should have had the road narrow at the intersection proper being its only a stones throw away and now resulting in a new choke point.
Are there plans to widen OBT or reconfigure the intersection?
US 206 North widens to a 6-lane divided highway for 2.5 miles approaching the 202/206 (freeway) concurrency and entrance to I-287 only to dump you onto a traffic circle to make any of the above movements. It's worth Southbound where you have to go almost all the way around the circle to access US 206 from 202/206.