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Title: Does this interchange type exist anywhere else?
Post by: hotdogPi on April 25, 2016, 03:54:42 PM
This interchange seems extremely simple, but it seems like this isn't found anywhere else.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmaps.googleapis.com%2Fmaps%2Fapi%2Fstaticmap%3Fcenter%3D42.734500%2C-71.204000%26amp%3Bzoom%3D15%26amp%3Bsize%3D400x400&hash=19ebe9aaaf6a267f3686def8a36a8d44cb1b0f1f)

This image uses the Google Maps API.

(For reference, this is in Massachusetts. I-93 is marked, and the dashed line at the top right corner is the MA/NH border.)
Title: Re: Does this interchange type exist anywhere else?
Post by: froggie on April 25, 2016, 04:01:15 PM
None that I know of.  Nor is such a design encouraged due to the weaving issues caused by the two ramps merging and diverging.
Title: Re: Does this interchange type exist anywhere else?
Post by: NE2 on April 25, 2016, 04:27:18 PM
SR 60 at SR 589 in Tampa was a squished version with left exits: http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00071755/00028/14x

There are probably some in countries like the UK that have a bunch of roundabouts.
Title: Re: Does this interchange type exist anywhere else?
Post by: Mapmikey on April 25, 2016, 04:28:49 PM
I'm sure weaving occurs in practice but theoretically there is only 1 lane between ramp converge/diverge.  The ramp from 93 SB is supposed to yield to the ramp from 213 WB...

But I am also drawing a blank on anywhere that does this in a simplistic interchange like that...
Title: Re: Does this interchange type exist anywhere else?
Post by: lordsutch on April 25, 2016, 04:52:34 PM
Quote from: NE2 on April 25, 2016, 04:27:18 PM
There are probably some in countries like the UK that have a bunch of roundabouts.

Apropos this, the M32 at M4 interchange (https://www.google.com/maps/place/M32,+Bristol,+UK/@51.512706,-2.5194424,17.62z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x4871902a8cd728cf:0xb4e2becc4dba6fd8) is effectively like this (although obviously a lower-speed affair, being a roundabout). More surprisingly, M5 at M50 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/M32,+Bristol,+UK/@52.0476631,-2.1365426,18.14z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x4871902a8cd728cf:0xb4e2becc4dba6fd8) isn't (although it was downgraded from a free-flow interchange to provide access to/from the south for no particular reason, apparently).
Title: Re: Does this interchange type exist anywhere else?
Post by: Sykotyk on April 25, 2016, 06:16:05 PM
One overpass and the weaving, etc is gone. Seems like the 213 ramps were done by the state on the cheap.
Title: Re: Does this interchange type exist anywhere else?
Post by: shadyjay on April 25, 2016, 09:15:29 PM
Mass. has a love affair with rotaries.  This is as close as you can get to a full rotary with a freeway-to-freeway connection.
Title: Re: Does this interchange type exist anywhere else?
Post by: Kacie Jane on April 26, 2016, 04:33:44 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on April 25, 2016, 04:28:49 PM
I'm sure weaving occurs in practice but theoretically there is only 1 lane between ramp converge/diverge.  The ramp from 93 SB is supposed to yield to the ramp from 213 WB...

Are you sure that's correct? It seems counterintuitive to me.  If it were a cloverleaf weave, entering traffic (from 213 WB) would yield to exiting traffic (from 91 SB).
Title: Re: Does this interchange type exist anywhere else?
Post by: jakeroot on April 26, 2016, 05:53:28 PM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on April 26, 2016, 04:33:44 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on April 25, 2016, 04:28:49 PM
I'm sure weaving occurs in practice but theoretically there is only 1 lane between ramp converge/diverge.  The ramp from 93 SB is supposed to yield to the ramp from 213 WB...

Are you sure that's correct? It seems counterintuitive to me.  If it were a cloverleaf weave, entering traffic (from 213 WB) would yield to exiting traffic (from 91 SB).

I think the interchange is meant to resemble a typical rotary, hence the yield signs for traffic exiting 93 SB: https://goo.gl/mTbVkE.
Title: Re: Does this interchange type exist anywhere else?
Post by: Truvelo on April 26, 2016, 05:57:27 PM
One was planned in the UK exactly like the I-93 example in the original post. This map is from 1970 but it was eventually built 20 years later (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.5755847,-2.0468682,738m/data=!3m1!1e3) as a roundabout.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.speedcam.uk%2Fd70%2Fbilston.jpg&hash=986f411d83ddd790ce7a0b531f1d5e35f5e12144)
Title: Re: Does this interchange type exist anywhere else?
Post by: bzakharin on April 26, 2016, 05:58:09 PM
There is something similar in spirit, though a lot more complicated, going on here:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5266846,-74.3370103,16z
Title: Re: Does this interchange type exist anywhere else?
Post by: noelbotevera on April 26, 2016, 07:39:00 PM
Do you mind if you can clarify the movements? I can't quite make heads or tails about it.

I'm not (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Indiana+Toll+Rd,+Indiana/@41.5915781,-87.3058814,16.25z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x8816ce7b334203bb:0xf971c39a994de20f') quite sure if that's what you're looking for, but I'll see if I can't dig up something more of what you're asking for.
Title: Re: Does this interchange type exist anywhere else?
Post by: webfil on April 26, 2016, 10:27:51 PM
Close enough.

https://goo.gl/maps/W8nRdL7T2PN2
Title: Re: Does this interchange type exist anywhere else?
Post by: SectorZ on April 27, 2016, 08:33:04 AM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on April 26, 2016, 04:33:44 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on April 25, 2016, 04:28:49 PM
I'm sure weaving occurs in practice but theoretically there is only 1 lane between ramp converge/diverge.  The ramp from 93 SB is supposed to yield to the ramp from 213 WB...

Are you sure that's correct? It seems counterintuitive to me.  If it were a cloverleaf weave, entering traffic (from 213 WB) would yield to exiting traffic (from 91 SB).

As someone who has driven through this dozens of times, I can confirm the traffic entering from 93 S/B is supposed to yield. Most don't, but that's the traffic obligated to yield entering.
Title: Re: Does this interchange type exist anywhere else?
Post by: 1995hoo on April 27, 2016, 09:36:29 AM
Quote from: lordsutch on April 25, 2016, 04:52:34 PM
Quote from: NE2 on April 25, 2016, 04:27:18 PM
There are probably some in countries like the UK that have a bunch of roundabouts.

Apropos this, the M32 at M4 interchange (https://www.google.com/maps/place/M32,+Bristol,+UK/@51.512706,-2.5194424,17.62z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x4871902a8cd728cf:0xb4e2becc4dba6fd8) is effectively like this (although obviously a lower-speed affair, being a roundabout). More surprisingly, M5 at M50 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/M32,+Bristol,+UK/@52.0476631,-2.1365426,18.14z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x4871902a8cd728cf:0xb4e2becc4dba6fd8) isn't (although it was downgraded from a free-flow interchange to provide access to/from the south for no particular reason, apparently).

I've driven through the M32/M4 one. Once upon a time it was a full roundabout, but by 2007 they'd blocked off the southwest side and it's now essentially a teardrop (M4 traffic cannot use it to reverse direction). If you look at the satellite view you'll see the closed-off piece.


(Edited to fix typo)
Title: Re: Does this interchange type exist anywhere else?
Post by: english si on April 27, 2016, 09:39:21 AM
Quote from: lordsutch on April 25, 2016, 04:52:34 PMMore surprisingly, M5 at M50 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/M32,+Bristol,+UK/@52.0476631,-2.1365426,18.14z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x4871902a8cd728cf:0xb4e2becc4dba6fd8) isn't (although it was downgraded from a free-flow interchange to provide access to/from the south for no particular reason, apparently).
They removed the free-flow as 1960-spec trumpet loop was dangerous (capsized lorries galore), and the weaving between the sliproads for the services and the junction was bad.

The south-facing sliproads of the service area merge into the north-facing sliproads of the junction, hence why the junction doesn't look like this sort of one with a teardrop shape.


The M27/M271 roundabout was proposed to be a modified one (southern side of the roundabout closing, just like the M4/M32 one), but that was so controversial that the proposal was never formalised.