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Title: Chain of State highways
Post by: Inyomono395 on May 12, 2016, 10:58:13 PM
Idaho Montana North Dakota and Minnesota all have a State Route 200 that connect as a continuous route. Was this a US route that got decommissioned?

Do other states do this?

I live near the California/Nevada border and in most cases the state route changes numbers when you hit the state line. (With the exception of CA/NV 266 and CA/NV 88)
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 12, 2016, 11:16:48 PM
No 200 was never a US Route nor do I believe there was any intention for it to be.  The most infamous example that largely doesn't exist anymore is the whole western 789 that was being pushed as Canada to Mexico US 789.  Another example that I'm fairly familiar with out east is 121 from Florida, Georgia to South Carolina.  Another is Texas and New Mexico 114. 
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: KEVIN_224 on May 13, 2016, 12:56:51 AM
Route 9 ---> Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont...changes to Route 7 at the New York border.
Route 10 ---> Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire
Route 12 ---> Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: jp the roadgeek on May 13, 2016, 01:33:30 AM
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on May 13, 2016, 12:56:51 AM
Route 9 ---> Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont...changes to Route 7 at the New York border.
Route 10 ---> Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire
Route 12 ---> Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont

All part of the 1920's New England Interstate System.  Also:

Route 8: Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont
Route 11: Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine
Route 26: Vermont (for a couple of hundred feet), New Hampshire, Maine
Route 32: Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire
Route 119 (not part of NE Interstates): Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont (for a couple of hundred feet)

Route 9/NY 7 also connects to PA 29.  NY originally numbered it as Route 9 until US 9 was built.
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: peterj920 on May 13, 2016, 01:38:16 AM
Wisconsin to Illinois: Wis 83/IL 83,   Wis 78/IL 78,   Wis 78/IL 78.  There once was Wis 80 to IL 80, but IL 80 was renumbered IL 84 after I-80 was designated to avoid duplicate numbers. 

Wisconsin to Minnesota:  Wis 243/MN 243     Wis 70/MN 70

Illinois to Iowa   IL 92/IA 92   IL 136/IA 136
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: mariethefoxy on May 13, 2016, 04:41:28 AM
Pennsylvania/Maryland/Delaware Route 896

Pennsylvania/Delaware Route 41

a lot of those 200 series routes in DE are carry over numbers from Maryland, as is DE/MD Route 54 and DE/MD Route 404. Route 54 is unique in that it straddles the border.
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on May 13, 2016, 05:03:13 AM
Minnesota and Iowa have numerous "chained" state routes. State Highways 4, 15, 26, 60, 76, 86, 91, and 139 all maintain their numbers when crossing the border between the two. I'm only mentioning it for the high degree of coordination between the two states since I'm guessing you're more interested in examples of 3+ states (all of these chains only exist in MN/IA).
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 13, 2016, 08:16:22 AM
NJ/PA 73

NJ/PA 413
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: hotdogPi on May 13, 2016, 08:33:21 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 13, 2016, 01:33:30 AM
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on May 13, 2016, 12:56:51 AM
Route 9 ---> Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont...changes to Route 7 at the New York border.
Route 10 ---> Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire
Route 12 ---> Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont

All part of the 1920's New England Interstate System.  Also:

Route 8: Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont
Route 11: Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine
Route 26: Vermont (for a couple of hundred feet), New Hampshire, Maine
Route 32: Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire
Route 119 (not part of NE Interstates): Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont (for a couple of hundred feet)

Route 25: Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine
Route 138: Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: jp the roadgeek on May 13, 2016, 09:44:03 AM
(Mostly) Former: Route 17  Pennsylvania, New York, Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey

Route 55: Connecticut, New York, Pennsylvania (as Route 434)
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: Big John on May 13, 2016, 09:58:53 AM
Quote from: peterj920 on May 13, 2016, 01:38:16 AM
Wisconsin to Illinois: Wis 83/IL 83,   Wis 78/IL 78,   Wis 78/IL 78.  There once was Wis 80 to IL 80, but IL 80 was renumbered IL 84 after I-80 was designated to avoid duplicate numbers. 
I think you meant 35 in place of one of the 78s.
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: PHLBOS on May 13, 2016, 10:09:41 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 13, 2016, 08:16:22 AMNJ/PA 413
While technically correct, it should be noted that NJ 413 is only 0.76 miles long.  Prior to 1953, NJ 413 was NJ S25.

Prior to the rerouting & truncation of PA 100 about a decade ago; there used to be DE/PA 100.

Question to the OP: are you looking for state routes that continue beyond just 2 states? 

If you're looking for state routes that cross into just one adjacent states at a minimum; you're going to get a sizable bunch of listings from others.
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: SP Cook on May 13, 2016, 10:59:29 AM
WV - VA 9 begins at the Potomac border with Maryland and ends near Leesburg.
WV - VA - NC 16 begins at the Ohio border near St. Marys, takes a complex path across WV, enters Virginia roughly paralleling I-77 about 25 miles west of it, then enters North Carolina ending at Waxhaw just at the SC line.
WV - VA 39 begins at US 60 in Gauley Bridge and ends near Lexington.
WV - PA - PA Turnpike 43 begins at I-68 in Cheat Lake, to an end yet to be determined.
WV - VA 55, begins at US 19 near Muddlety and ends at US 29 near Gainesville.
WV - VA 83, begins at WV 16 near War, is in WV for less than 6 miles, and then ends in Pound near the Kentucky line.
WV - WV 84, begins at WV 92 near Frost, is in WV for less than 5 miles, and then ends at US 220 near Vanderpool.
WV - VA 102 is a route in and near Bluefield that crosses the state line multiple times.
WV - VA 127 begins near Forks of Cacapon and ends at US 522 near Cross Junction.
WV - VA 311 begins at White Sulphur Springs, enters VA after only 0.3 miles, then reenters WV for 4 miles near Sweet Springs, and then ends a Salem.
WV 527 is a number change of WV 152 at I - 64, runs on various city streets in Huntington, and then is the 6th Street Bridge to Ohio.  The part in Ohio is OH 527.
WV - VA 598 is the pre- East River Mountain tunnel US 52 over East River Mountain.
WV - VA Secondary 635 begins in Jolo and runs less than 4 miles to the state line, where it ends near Whitewood.
WV - MD 956 is a short road near Rocket Center, only 4.2 miles in WV and 0.5 miles in Maryland.

In addition bridges across the Ohio that do not carry another route number are a often short state route in both states.

WV - OH  527 in Huntington.
WV - OH 807 in St. Mary's.
WV - OH 822 in Steubenville (unsigned)


Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: NE2 on May 13, 2016, 11:45:22 AM
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=8306.0
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: Thing 342 on May 13, 2016, 11:56:23 AM
VA-KY 80 runs for over 550 miles between the Mississippi and the Blue Ridge, with a border crossing at Interstate Breaks Park.
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: Inyomono395 on May 13, 2016, 11:58:44 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 13, 2016, 10:09:41 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 13, 2016, 08:16:22 AM

Question to the OP: are you looking for state routes that continue beyond just 2 states? 

If you're looking for state routes that cross into just one adjacent states at a minimum; you're going to get a sizable bunch of listings from others.

I was looking to see if there are more State Highway chains that stretch 3-4 states or more, but I have enjoyed all the responses so far.
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: Inyomono395 on May 13, 2016, 11:59:57 AM
Didn't mean to put my response in the quote, sorry for the rookie mistake
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: bzakharin on May 13, 2016, 12:16:25 PM
NJ/NY/NJ 440
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: peterj920 on May 13, 2016, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Big John on May 13, 2016, 09:58:53 AM
Quote from: peterj920 on May 13, 2016, 01:38:16 AM
Wisconsin to Illinois: Wis 83/IL 83,   Wis 78/IL 78,   Wis 78/IL 78.  There once was Wis 80 to IL 80, but IL 80 was renumbered IL 84 after I-80 was designated to avoid duplicate numbers. 
I think you meant 35 in place of one of the 78s.

I did, sorry for the mistake
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: Brandon on May 13, 2016, 02:26:38 PM
Quote from: NE2 on May 13, 2016, 11:45:22 AM
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=8306.0

I thought we had done all this before.  Deja vu all over again.
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: Inyomono395 on May 13, 2016, 02:48:46 PM
Sorry, didn't realize I was repeating a topic
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: Rover_0 on May 13, 2016, 04:00:40 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 12, 2016, 11:16:48 PM
No 200 was never a US Route nor do I believe there was any intention for it to be.  The most infamous example that largely doesn't exist anymore is the whole western 789 that was being pushed as Canada to Mexico US 789.  Another example that I'm fairly familiar with out east is 121 from Florida, Georgia to South Carolina.  Another is Texas and New Mexico 114. 

Actually, I believe that Multi-State Route 200 was planned as a US Route, but was rejected by AASHTO in the late 1950s or early 1960s. I'm not sure what the number was, but after the rejection, the states decided to give it a common number and hence MSR 200 was born.
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: paulthemapguy on May 13, 2016, 04:07:25 PM
Quote from: peterj920 on May 13, 2016, 01:38:16 AM
Illinois to Iowa   IL 92/IA 92   IL 136/IA 136
Was going to mention route 92, so I'll add that it also carries westward into Nebraska as NE-92.
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 13, 2016, 08:14:45 PM
Quote from: Rover_0 on May 13, 2016, 04:00:40 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 12, 2016, 11:16:48 PM
No 200 was never a US Route nor do I believe there was any intention for it to be.  The most infamous example that largely doesn't exist anymore is the whole western 789 that was being pushed as Canada to Mexico US 789.  Another example that I'm fairly familiar with out east is 121 from Florida, Georgia to South Carolina.  Another is Texas and New Mexico 114. 

Actually, I believe that Multi-State Route 200 was planned as a US Route, but was rejected by AASHTO in the late 1950s or early 1960s. I'm not sure what the number was, but after the rejection, the states decided to give it a common number and hence MSR 200 was born.

I wonder what the reason was back then if that was the case?  I would imagine a lot of it probably had either gravel or dirt segments which by those days probably would have led to a rejection.  Kind of interesting it never got picked up as a spur of US 2 since 200 is often the better road or more direct.
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: Bruce on May 13, 2016, 09:14:34 PM
While not a state highway chain, British Columbia numbered their provincial highways after U.S. routes and state highways at border crossings:

BC 99 & I-5 (formerly US 99) at Blaine, WA
BC 11 & SR 9 (formerly SSH 1A...close enough) at Sumas, WA
BC 97 & US 97 at Osoyoos, BC
BC 41 & SR 21 (formerly SSH 4A...close enough) at Dansville, WA
BC 395 (tiny spur) & US 395 at Laurier, WA
BC 22 & SR 25 (formerly PSH 22)
BC 22A & Boundary Road (formerly SR 251 and SSH 22A)
BC 6 & SR 31 (formerly PSH 6)

BC 95 & US 95 at Eastport, ID

BC 93 & US 93 at Roosville, BC
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: jwolfer on May 13, 2016, 11:01:29 PM
FL-GA-SC 121 from Gainesville FL to Newberry SC..
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: DandyDan on May 14, 2016, 05:31:03 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 13, 2016, 05:03:13 AM
Minnesota and Iowa have numerous "chained" state routes. State Highways 4, 15, 26, 60, 76, 86, 91, and 139 all maintain their numbers when crossing the border between the two. I'm only mentioning it for the high degree of coordination between the two states since I'm guessing you're more interested in examples of 3+ states (all of these chains only exist in MN/IA).
Iowa 91 was decommissioned in 2003, but other than that, it's all true.

Quote from: paulthemapguy on May 13, 2016, 04:07:25 PM
Quote from: peterj920 on May 13, 2016, 01:38:16 AM
Illinois to Iowa   IL 92/IA 92   IL 136/IA 136
Was going to mention route 92, so I'll add that it also carries westward into Nebraska as NE-92.
And then onward to Wyoming as WY 92.

A couple interesting ones in Nebraska besides Highway 92 is NE 2 and IA 2, only it's the eastern segment of NE 2, and then CO/NE/SD 71, the interesting thing about that being SD 71 fits a grid, while the others are just random numbers.
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on May 14, 2016, 06:14:19 AM
Quote from: Bruce on May 13, 2016, 09:14:34 PM
While not a state highway chain, British Columbia numbered their provincial highways after U.S. routes and state highways at border crossings:

BC 97 & US 97 at Osoyoos, BC

This extends all the way to Yukon. If that territory renumbered YT 1 to YT 97, Alaska could have had US 97. But that didn't happen.
Quote from: Bruce on May 13, 2016, 09:14:34 PMBC 93 & US 93 at Roosville, BC

Which then crosses into Alberta and, unlike Yukon and 97, they numbered their part as AB 93.
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: ftballfan on May 17, 2016, 05:56:40 PM
Only one I can think of in Michigan: M-49 -> OH 49
There USED to be IN 120 -> M-120 -> OH 120 until M-120 was decommissioned and its number reused on a portion of what used to be M-20
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: GaryV on May 17, 2016, 10:18:49 PM
MI/WI - M-26 used to connect with STH-26, until replaced by US-45.  This would be purely by coincidence, as both MI and WI numbered their original routes by decreasing length.
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: NE2 on May 17, 2016, 11:24:02 PM
Quote from: GaryV on May 17, 2016, 10:18:49 PM
MI/WI - M-26 used to connect with STH-26, until replaced by US-45.  This would be purely by coincidence, as both MI and WI numbered their original routes by decreasing length.
It was probably done on purpose; WI 26 didn't originally make it to the state line: http://wisconsinhighways.org/listings/WiscHwys20-29.html#STH-026
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: paulthemapguy on May 17, 2016, 11:36:54 PM
Iowa and Missouri have matching 5's and 81's.
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: Greybear on May 18, 2016, 12:49:35 AM
Count Arkansas in on the 5's. AR/MO/IA 5 runs from just north of Jacksonville AR to Des Moines IA
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: GaryV on May 18, 2016, 05:36:11 PM
Quote from: NE2 on May 17, 2016, 11:24:02 PM
Quote from: GaryV on May 17, 2016, 10:18:49 PM
MI/WI - M-26 used to connect with STH-26, until replaced by US-45.  This would be purely by coincidence, as both MI and WI numbered their original routes by decreasing length.
It was probably done on purpose; WI 26 didn't originally make it to the state line: http://wisconsinhighways.org/listings/WiscHwys20-29.html#STH-026
Interesting - following the link, STH-15 and M-15 also connected; they were superseded by US-41.
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: Scott5114 on May 19, 2016, 11:29:04 PM
OK/KS/NE 99. TX 99 used to connect to it as well.
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: WNYroadgeek on May 26, 2016, 11:33:30 PM
PA/NY/PA 426
Title: Re: Chain of State highways
Post by: jmd41280 on May 28, 2016, 10:23:33 PM
PA/MD 97 begins at US 15 in Gettysburg, PA and ends at US 29 in Silver Spring, MD

PA/MD 194 begins at PA 74 near Dillsburg, PA and ends at MD 26 near Frederick, MD

NY/PA 14 begins at the Lake Ontario shore in Sodus Point, NY and ends at US 15 (future I-99) at Trout Run, PA

2 shorter examples:

MD/PA 669 begins at US 40-Alt in Grantsville, MD and ends at US 219 in Salisbury, PA

PA/WV 218 begins at US 19/PA 21 in Waynesburg, PA and ends at US 19 in Worthington, WV