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Title: Havens for old signage?
Post by: hbelkins on May 18, 2016, 10:46:35 PM
Any places with a decent amount of old signage within a concentrated area?

I'm going to throw Wise County, Va., out there as a suggestion. I drove up there yesterday afternoon, since I had a half-day off for Election Day, and managed to get a bunch of pictures of old signage along the route that runs from the Kentucky state line at the end of KY 932 to Norton (VA Secondary 671, 707, 627 and 620). The number of cutouts in Norton is starting to dwindle, but there are still several (and the wide error US 74 sign on Kentucky Avenue is still there). There was a neat old US 23 sign along the business route north of the Secondary 620 terminus as well. I've seen some older signs on a few other Wise County secondary routes.

Sadly, the "To Kentucky 38" sign in the Virginia state primary shield at Keokee is gone. Glad I got a photo of it years ago.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: jakeroot on May 18, 2016, 11:00:53 PM
For all the Clearview, Vancouver, BC is full of old signs: different fonts, old shields, shields for routes that have long been decommissioned, etc.

I try to get photos of old signs whenever I'm up there, which is often. Here's a relatively recent thread that I created with just a handful of old signs that I found by accident: http://goo.gl/LUcx4K

There are plenty more old signs that I have not yet taken pictures of.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: freebrickproductions on May 18, 2016, 11:51:38 PM
Birmingham, AL has a lot of old signage in it.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 19, 2016, 12:32:07 AM
My spare bedroom, family room and garage....route signs don't go to heaven when they die....they go here...
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: cl94 on May 22, 2016, 09:44:56 PM
The entire state of Connecticut, notably the Hartford area. I drove through there yesterday and was shocked at all the button copy that remains. The Hartford metro alone might have more button copy than the entire state of New York.

Buffalo had a ton before NYSDOT and NYSTA replaced everything in recent years. A lot of all-text button copy and quite a few button copy gore signs. Most of NYSTA's work is that awful nonreflective Clearview. One of them was one of the last SR shields with "NY" in the hump.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 22, 2016, 09:54:33 PM
Quote from: cl94 on May 22, 2016, 09:44:56 PM
The entire state of Connecticut, notably the Hartford area. I drove through there yesterday and was shocked at all the button copy that remains. The Hartford metro alone might have more button copy than the entire state of New York.

Buffalo had a ton before NYSDOT and NYSTA replaced everything in recent years. A lot of all-text button copy and quite a few button copy gore signs. Most of NYSTA's work is that awful nonreflective Clearview. One of them was one of the last SR shields with "NY" in the hump.

That's because the state doesn't like to replace highway signage for a couple decades.  The last time I was up that way there was still tons of Interstate signs with red faded completely to white...they probably were put up when I was living there in the early 90s.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 23, 2016, 08:52:51 AM
Los Angeles for buttoncopy on the freeways, though Caltrans is replacing it now, apparently a section at a time.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: Zeffy on May 23, 2016, 09:45:57 AM
The New Jersey Turnpike corridor has a decent amount still, though with sign replacement projects in full swing those are decreasing.

However, New Jersey still has a decent amount of button copy signs along various routes, US 1 south of New Brunswick coming to mind for me.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: formulanone on May 23, 2016, 10:03:42 AM
Florida's Panhandle, west of US 301. Haven't explored Pensacola enough, but the rural areas are loaded with old state road shields, colored US Route shields, and other assorted old signage. Most of these goodies are on (or just off of) the former state secondary routes.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: Michael on May 23, 2016, 10:49:17 AM
I'm currently visiting a friend who just moved to Ohio, and we took the train back from New York.  We took an Uber to his apartment, and I saw quite a few old signs between the train station and I-75.  The traffic signals looked pretty old too.  They look a lot like the ones that were on NY 5 in Syracuse between the west city line and Erie Blvd before the signal heads were replaced.  This (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Amtrak+Toledo+Station,+415+Emerald+Ave,+Toledo,+OH+43604/41.6406276,-83.5487509/@41.6400296,-83.546251,17z/data=!4m19!4m18!1m15!1m1!1s0x883b86e79ff3db7b:0xa419a0c93c95fe22!2m2!1d-83.5416601!2d41.6381977!3m4!1m2!1d-83.5420958!2d41.6394683!3s0x883b86dd887b8f43:0x2abe8fd9ea5aef88!3m4!1m2!1d-83.5443502!2d41.6393337!3s0x883b86e0aa28c801:0xeb3a29b989f4b9a2!1m0!3e0) is the route we took from the train station to I-75.  Once we got on I-75, I saw quite a few button copy BGSes that were in pretty good shape.  After crossing the Maumee River, a lot of of the signs were in Clearview.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: cl94 on May 23, 2016, 10:53:40 AM
Quote from: Michael on May 23, 2016, 10:49:17 AM
I'm currently visiting a friend who just moved to Ohio, and we took the train back from New York.  We took an Uber to his apartment, and I saw quite a few old signs between the train station and I-75.  The traffic signals looked pretty old too.  They look a lot like the ones that were on NY 5 in Syracuse between the west city line and Erie Blvd before the signal heads were replaced.  This (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Amtrak+Toledo+Station,+415+Emerald+Ave,+Toledo,+OH+43604/41.6406276,-83.5487509/@41.6400296,-83.546251,17z/data=!4m19!4m18!1m15!1m1!1s0x883b86e79ff3db7b:0xa419a0c93c95fe22!2m2!1d-83.5416601!2d41.6381977!3m4!1m2!1d-83.5420958!2d41.6394683!3s0x883b86dd887b8f43:0x2abe8fd9ea5aef88!3m4!1m2!1d-83.5443502!2d41.6393337!3s0x883b86e0aa28c801:0xeb3a29b989f4b9a2!1m0!3e0) is the route we took from the train station to I-75.  Once we got on I-75, I saw quite a few button copy BGSes that were in pretty good shape.  After crossing the Maumee River, a lot of of the signs were in Clearview.

ODOT used button copy until the mid-2000s, so there's still a bunch left. Not all of it is particularly old. A lot of the button copy in Columbus, for example, went up within the past 15 years.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: opspe on May 24, 2016, 08:02:07 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on May 18, 2016, 11:00:53 PM
For all the Clearview, Vancouver, BC is full of old signs: different fonts, old shields, shields for routes that have long been decommissioned, etc.

I try to get photos of old signs whenever I'm up there, which is often. Here's a relatively recent thread that I created with just a handful of old signs that I found by accident: http://goo.gl/LUcx4K

There are plenty more old signs that I have not yet taken pictures of.

I wish I knew what that old guide sign typeface was, back when they were wooden and mounted on painted white posts.  Also I never figured this out, but all the old signs in BC are painted teal/green on the back.

An excellent example of an old BC sign I found on Quadra Island is below (love the hyphenation on "turn-a-round").  That's the place to find them really, the back roads on all those old hippie islands.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FjVHzgzBl.jpg&hash=1f1c1aeb78fc7d828db09ef59bbc6b0c2d7ed637)

Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: jwolfer on May 28, 2016, 09:40:20 AM
Quote from: formulanone on May 23, 2016, 10:03:42 AM
Florida's Panhandle, west of US 301. Haven't explored Pensacola enough, but the rural areas are loaded with old state road shields, colored US Route shields, and other assorted old signage. Most of these goodies are on (or just off of) the former state secondary routes.
The more rural counties of North Florida. The state maintained roads have signs updated
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: Mergingtraffic on May 29, 2016, 11:09:35 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 22, 2016, 09:54:33 PM
Quote from: cl94 on May 22, 2016, 09:44:56 PM
The entire state of Connecticut, notably the Hartford area. I drove through there yesterday and was shocked at all the button copy that remains. The Hartford metro alone might have more button copy than the entire state of New York.

Buffalo had a ton before NYSDOT and NYSTA replaced everything in recent years. A lot of all-text button copy and quite a few button copy gore signs. Most of NYSTA's work is that awful nonreflective Clearview. One of them was one of the last SR shields with "NY" in the hump.

That's because the state doesn't like to replace highway signage for a couple decades.  The last time I was up that way there was still tons of Interstate signs with red faded completely to white...they probably were put up when I was living there in the early 90s.

CT was in a rush to phase in reflective button copy.  The whole state practically was covered with NEW  signs between 1985-1993.  However, the state is slower at replacing it.  although it is disappearing.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on May 29, 2016, 11:11:21 PM
I actually just posted one in the Road-Sign challenge. It was an old County Route 508 sign from Essex County, NJ.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: Mergingtraffic on May 31, 2016, 05:04:14 PM
NYC used to be but not anymore, although there are still areas where the havens still exist.

Rockaways, Queens, NY.
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5743/22485193982_3ac87e1c94_c.jpg)

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5658/21875877314_c88b5533cc_c.jpg)

(https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5803/22310915598_bd6548bb41_c.jpg)

FDR Drive in most spots, although signs are disappearing with spot replacements.
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/1/712/22600105786_ef7b2fc2a1_c.jpg)

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/2/1677/26425251466_5f3cc5e1d1_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: ET21 on June 03, 2016, 12:08:04 AM
Rural sections of Kane County IL, particularly IL-56 spur and parts of US-20 around Elgin. Slowly those signs have been getting replaced, but many still remain from the old days.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: mariethefoxy on June 03, 2016, 01:14:40 AM
Lots of button copy left in Connecticut on I-91 from the I-691/CT 15 exit and north.

CT 15 the Wilbur Cross Highway segment from the north end of Berlin Turnpike to I-84 has button copy too.

I-95 in Connecticut has button copy logo signs, which I've never seen anywhere else.

CT 8/25 in Bridgeport has button copy but a few newer signs mixed in.

I'm sure theres more but I havent been everywhere there.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: machias on June 03, 2016, 10:32:14 AM
There's quite a bit of button copy left around Interstate 790 in Utica. It's probably one of the last button copy projects in New York State, having all been installed somewhere between 1988-1990. There's also some vintage button copy all-text along NY Route 5S in Downtown Utica.  I suspect that'll be there for a couple of more years and won't be replaced until the "Broad to Aud" road diet/reconfiguration project slated for the area for 2018-2020.

Update: added an example photo
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.upstatenyroads.com%2Fboard%2Froute-5s.jpg&hash=8cadec29788d72a3ad98a8410fddb422dfd25d12)

Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: formulanone on June 03, 2016, 10:36:48 AM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on May 18, 2016, 11:51:38 PM
Birmingham, AL has a lot of old signage in it.

Yup...Lots of old button copy, slatted BGS, and some odd hand-painted signage.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: cl94 on June 03, 2016, 11:59:27 AM
Quote from: upstatenyroads on June 03, 2016, 10:32:14 AM
There's quite a bit of button copy left around Interstate 790 in Utica. It's probably one of the last button copy projects in New York State, having all been installed somewhere between 1988-1990. There's also some vintage button copy all-text along NY Route 5S in Downtown Utica.  I suspect that'll be there for a couple of more years and won't be replaced until the "Broad to Aud" road diet/reconfiguration project slated for the area for 2018-2020.

With the all-text signage along NY 252 being replaced right now, that's some of the only all-text left in the state. I was pleasantly surprised to see it while driving through last weekend.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: Jim on June 03, 2016, 05:04:12 PM
Quote from: cl94 on June 03, 2016, 11:59:27 AM
With the all-text signage along NY 252 being replaced right now, that's some of the only all-text left in the state. I was pleasantly surprised to see it while driving through last weekend.

This, and a few others, survive in Amsterdam.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teresco.org%2Fpics%2Fsigns%2F20130327%2Fdowntown.jpg&hash=dc494e92a64fc8b1c17604a14c7af039877b3dfc)

I would guess these were installed when the NY 30 bridge opened, apparently in 1973, but again that's just a guess.  They've been there as long as I can remember.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: cl94 on June 03, 2016, 05:08:27 PM
Quote from: Jim on June 03, 2016, 05:04:12 PM
Quote from: cl94 on June 03, 2016, 11:59:27 AM
With the all-text signage along NY 252 being replaced right now, that's some of the only all-text left in the state. I was pleasantly surprised to see it while driving through last weekend.

This, and a few others, survive in Amsterdam.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teresco.org%2Fpics%2Fsigns%2F20130327%2Fdowntown.jpg&hash=dc494e92a64fc8b1c17604a14c7af039877b3dfc)

I would guess these were installed when the NY 30 bridge opened, apparently in 1973, but again that's just a guess.  They've been there as long as I can remember.

I forgot about those. Yeah, those aren't going anywhere any time soon.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: sbeaver44 on June 03, 2016, 05:14:46 PM
Anything near Woodhaven Rd/PA 63 in Philadelphia, especially toward US 1

SM-G360V

Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: PHLBOS on June 03, 2016, 05:19:37 PM
Quote from: sbeaver44 on June 03, 2016, 05:14:46 PM
Anything near Woodhaven Rd/PA 63 in Philadelphia, especially toward US 1
The old button-copy BGS' along US 1 in that area have since been replaced within the past year.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: sbeaver44 on June 03, 2016, 05:20:16 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 03, 2016, 05:19:37 PM
Quote from: sbeaver44 on June 03, 2016, 05:14:46 PM
Anything near Woodhaven Rd/PA 63 in Philadelphia, especially toward US 1
The old button-copy BGS' along US 1 in that area have since been replaced within the past year.
That is a real shame.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: PHLBOS on June 03, 2016, 05:21:48 PM
Quote from: sbeaver44 on June 03, 2016, 05:20:16 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 03, 2016, 05:19:37 PM
Quote from: sbeaver44 on June 03, 2016, 05:14:46 PM
Anything near Woodhaven Rd/PA 63 in Philadelphia, especially toward US 1
The old button-copy BGS' along US 1 in that area have since been replaced within the past year.
That is a real shame.
Some of the old/original entrance ramp BGS' to PA 63/Woodhaven Road between US 1 & I-95 might still be there.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: Mergingtraffic on June 05, 2016, 11:56:06 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 03, 2016, 05:21:48 PM
Quote from: sbeaver44 on June 03, 2016, 05:20:16 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 03, 2016, 05:19:37 PM
Quote from: sbeaver44 on June 03, 2016, 05:14:46 PM
Anything near Woodhaven Rd/PA 63 in Philadelphia, especially toward US 1
The old button-copy BGS' along US 1 in that area have since been replaced within the past year.
That is a real shame.
Some of the old/original entrance ramp BGS' to PA 63/Woodhaven Road between US 1 & I-95 might still be there.

the wooden button copy BGS signs around PA-63/Woodhaven Rd have been replaced.  Also on US-1 too in the area.  They were gone as of April of 2015.

The old signs further on down Roosevelt Blvd such as, could still be there. I don't know. If somebody does...please post.
https://flic.kr/p/w5dvRo

Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: ftballfan on June 06, 2016, 09:02:07 PM
The Toledo area: Quite a bit of button copy

In Michigan, M-6 is mostly Clearview-free, while all other freeways in that area (I-196, I-96, US-131) are mostly Clearview
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: jakeroot on June 07, 2016, 02:02:31 AM
Quote from: ftballfan on June 06, 2016, 09:02:07 PM
In Michigan, M-6 is mostly Clearview-free, while all other freeways in that area (I-196, I-96, US-131) are mostly Clearview

Which reminds me. Now that Clearview is on it's way out, I think we have to start liking it (after all, in the long run, it was a very interesting experiment, and finding Clearview signage 30-40 years from now will be cool). Roadgeeks are supposed to like old stuff, right?
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: ctsignguy on June 07, 2016, 08:00:04 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on June 07, 2016, 02:02:31 AM
Quote from: ftballfan on June 06, 2016, 09:02:07 PM
In Michigan, M-6 is mostly Clearview-free, while all other freeways in that area (I-196, I-96, US-131) are mostly Clearview

Which reminds me. Now that Clearview is on it's way out, I think we have to start liking it (after all, in the long run, it was a very interesting experiment, and finding Clearview signage 30-40 years from now will be cool). Roadgeeks are supposed to like old stuff, right?

Then i will wait 30-40 years on that....if i am still around then.....or reborn as another road geek.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: Ian on June 07, 2016, 11:08:59 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on June 07, 2016, 02:02:31 AM
Quote from: ftballfan on June 06, 2016, 09:02:07 PM
In Michigan, M-6 is mostly Clearview-free, while all other freeways in that area (I-196, I-96, US-131) are mostly Clearview

Which reminds me. Now that Clearview is on it's way out, I think we have to start liking it (after all, in the long run, it was a very interesting experiment, and finding Clearview signage 30-40 years from now will be cool). Roadgeeks are supposed to like old stuff, right?

Most of Canada still uses Clearview, and it doesn't look like they have any plans on quitting. Plus, Clearview isn't an old font. :D
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: jakeroot on June 07, 2016, 11:16:03 AM
Quote from: Ian on June 07, 2016, 11:08:59 AM
Most of Canada still uses Clearview, and it doesn't look like they have any plans on quitting. Plus, Clearview isn't an old font. :D

Well, of course it's not old now (after all, they're still installing Clearview signage). But a relic is a relic, regardless of where it is; you know it'll be cool to find Clearview several decades from now. We can tell our children about it, etc. It'll be good for a laugh.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: Mergingtraffic on June 13, 2016, 08:00:01 PM
Quote from: Jim on June 03, 2016, 05:04:12 PM
Quote from: cl94 on June 03, 2016, 11:59:27 AM
With the all-text signage along NY 252 being replaced right now, that's some of the only all-text left in the state. I was pleasantly surprised to see it while driving through last weekend.

This, and a few others, survive in Amsterdam.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teresco.org%2Fpics%2Fsigns%2F20130327%2Fdowntown.jpg&hash=dc494e92a64fc8b1c17604a14c7af039877b3dfc)

I would guess these were installed when the NY 30 bridge opened, apparently in 1973, but again that's just a guess.  They've been there as long as I can remember.

Im guessing these are the "few others" around Amsterdam?
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.934638,-74.1903213,3a,75y,96.39h,78.85t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sqoBLAP0gl5a6kiqBcsCLCQ!2e0!5s20150901T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: cl94 on June 13, 2016, 10:45:00 PM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on June 13, 2016, 08:00:01 PM
Quote from: Jim on June 03, 2016, 05:04:12 PM
Quote from: cl94 on June 03, 2016, 11:59:27 AM
With the all-text signage along NY 252 being replaced right now, that's some of the only all-text left in the state. I was pleasantly surprised to see it while driving through last weekend.

This, and a few others, survive in Amsterdam.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teresco.org%2Fpics%2Fsigns%2F20130327%2Fdowntown.jpg&hash=dc494e92a64fc8b1c17604a14c7af039877b3dfc)

I would guess these were installed when the NY 30 bridge opened, apparently in 1973, but again that's just a guess.  They've been there as long as I can remember.

Im guessing these are the "few others" around Amsterdam?
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.934638,-74.1903213,3a,75y,96.39h,78.85t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sqoBLAP0gl5a6kiqBcsCLCQ!2e0!5s20150901T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Yeah. the others have been replaced.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: Roadsguy on June 15, 2016, 04:00:26 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 03, 2016, 05:19:37 PM
Quote from: sbeaver44 on June 03, 2016, 05:14:46 PM
Anything near Woodhaven Rd/PA 63 in Philadelphia, especially toward US 1
The old button-copy BGS' along US 1 in that area have since been replaced within the past year.

As have most if not all of the old, falling-apart signs on Woodhaven's frontage roads.
Title: Re: Havens for old signage?
Post by: odditude on June 23, 2016, 05:07:49 PM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on June 05, 2016, 11:56:06 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 03, 2016, 05:21:48 PM
Quote from: sbeaver44 on June 03, 2016, 05:20:16 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 03, 2016, 05:19:37 PM
Quote from: sbeaver44 on June 03, 2016, 05:14:46 PM
Anything near Woodhaven Rd/PA 63 in Philadelphia, especially toward US 1
The old button-copy BGS' along US 1 in that area have since been replaced within the past year.
That is a real shame.
Some of the old/original entrance ramp BGS' to PA 63/Woodhaven Road between US 1 & I-95 might still be there.

the wooden button copy BGS signs around PA-63/Woodhaven Rd have been replaced.  Also on US-1 too in the area.  They were gone as of April of 2015.

The old signs further on down Roosevelt Blvd such as, could still be there. I don't know. If somebody does...please post.
https://flic.kr/p/w5dvRo
as of three weeks ago, the old all-text button copy signage for the Street Road exits on US 1 are still there. (example (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.131155,-74.9674977,3a,75y,221.57h,79.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6OXvqBlcZ6nC6yAWGrnINQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656))