I was at the South Bend road meet over the weekend and I noticed M-217 ends at the Indiana state line with no state highway continuing on. Same goes for IN-19 vice versa with no Michigan counterpart. How common is this? I always believe that when a state highways enters another state it should continue as a state highway in that neighboring state. I do know IL-73 ends at the Wisconsin state line then becomes Green county M. I always thought Green county M from the state line to WI-11 in Browntown should have been transferred to WisDOT when the nearby WI-176 was decommissioned.
Quote from: dvferyance on May 24, 2016, 11:00:26 PM
I was at the South Bend road meet over the weekend and I noticed M-217 ends at the Indiana state line with no state highway continuing on. Same goes for IN-19 vice versa with no Michigan counterpart. How common is this? I always believe that when a state highways enters another state it should continue as a state highway in that neighboring state. I do know IL-73 ends at the Wisconsin state line then becomes Green county M. I always thought Green county M from the state line to WI-11 in Browntown should have been transferred to WisDOT when the nearby WI-176 was decommissioned.
Very common....I can think of another for Michigan with OH 120 having no counterpart on the MI side to Morenci....granted M120 was once there. One of the stranger ones for me is CA 299 since US 299 never went east of US 395...yet CA 299 goes into Nevada along old NV8a which was decommissioned a long time ago. CA 62 has a gap on the AZ side to AZ 95 in Parker and strangely enough the northern segment of AZ 95 doesn't continue as anything crossing the Colorado into Needles, CA. NV 164 is state highway to the California state line where it continues just as Nipton Road...
DE 100's north end at the PA state line is an example, but it wasn't always like that. PA 100 used to come down through West Chester and Chadds Ford to form a continuous route 100 between the two states, but PennDOT truncated it to US 202 north of West Chester in the early 2000s.
New Hampshire seems to have a good amount also...
-NH 128 turns into Mammoth Road as you enter Dracut, MA
-NH 121 turns into Main Street as you enter Haverill, MA (although the signs up the street where it meets MA 125 (https://goo.gl/maps/FPT4Uk7P7Sv) reference NH 121)
-NH 108 turns into Newton Road as you enter Haverhill, MA
-NH 107A turns into Hampton Road as you enter Amesbury, MA
-NH 122 turns into Hollis Street as you enter Pepperell, MA
-NH 123 AND 124 ending at the MA line near Townsend, MA
-NH 123A turns into West Road in Ashby, MA
Between Michigan and Wisconsin:
M-95 becomes a local street just before County N
Wis 17 becomes County 436
M-64 becomes County B
Wis 122 Becomes Lake Rd
NV 292 ends at the Oregon state line at Denio, continuing as Harney CR 201. But, Google Maps et al erroneously show it connecting with OR 205, which actually terminates way further north at the Roaring Springs Ranch airport. That's always bugged me.
Edit: This is one instance where ODOT's obtuse highway/route system actually coincides. Frenchglen Hwy No. 440 is entirely concurrent with OR 205.
More from the Northeast:
CT/MA: CT 272 becomes Norfolk Rd in Sandisfield, MA 31 becomes Dresser Hill Rd in Thompson, and MA 7A becomes SR 819 in North Canaan.
CT/NY: CT 361 used to become NY 361, but NY 361 became Dutchess CR 62. CT 41 becomes Dutchess CR 2, CT 341 becomes Dutchess CR 3, CT 104 and CT 124 becomes local roads (one of which used to be NY 124). CT 15 becomes the (reference route) Hutch Parkway
NY/NJ: NY 303, NY 304, and NY 340 become local roads, NJ 23 becomes Orange CR 15.
NJ/PA: NJ 94 becomes an unnumbered connection to PA 611 on the Portland/Columbia Toll Bridge, PA 739 becomes Sussex CR 560, NJ 12, PA 532, and NJ 90 become local roads
NY/PA: NY 7A, NY 367, PA 44, PA 167, PA 191, PA 546, and PA 958 become local roads, PA 858 becomes Tioga CR 41, PA 69 becomes Chatauqua CR 69
PA/DE: DE 3, DE 100 (although it used to become PA 100), and DE 7 all become local roads.
DE/MD: MD 281, MD 285, MD 286, MD 330, MD 306, MD 568, MD 367, all become local roads.
MA/NY: MA 102 becomes an unsigned reference route, NY 344 becomes a local road
NH/ME: ME 101 becomes a local road
VT/NH: VT 105, VT 113 and VT 114 become local roads
NY/VT: VT 279 become an unsigned reference route, VT 153 becomes Washington CR 153, VT 31 becomes Washington CR 25, NY 314 and NY 373 are unsigned local roads on the other side of their respective ferries
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 25, 2016, 12:39:46 AM
NY/NJ: NY 303, NY 304, and NY 340 become local roads, NJ 23 becomes Orange CR 15.
NY 303, 304, and 340 become CR 505, 503, and 501 respectively.
Washington/Oregon has two possibly interesting examples involving Columbia River bridges.
Washington has SR 433, a short route leading from SR 432 in Longview to the Lewis and Clark Bridge. SR 433 ends at the state line; ODOT maintains the Oregon approaches but it's not one of their numbered highways.
.....And then I was going to ramble about the Hood River Bridge, but in double checking, I found out that OR 35 doesn't quite meet the bridge (which is not maintained by either state, rather by the Port of Hood River). So this doesn't qualify, but let me ramble anyway, since I find it moderately interesting that there's a state route on the Oregon side but not on the Washington side... especially since Washington did write a State Route 35 into law, but only as an approach to a formerly proposed replacement bridge, not the approach to the current bridge.
Minnesota-Iowa:
MN 22 becomes a county road
MN 91 becomes a county road (Iowa decommissioned the matching IA 91)
MN 105 becomes a county road
SC 57 becomes a NC secondary route.
South Carolina used to have 18 other state routes that became secondary routes in North Carolina but they were eliminated in 1947.
Virginia has non-primary routes meeting these highways:
NC 615, NC 39, NC 903, NC 194, TN 133, TN 33, KY 38, KY 932, KY 194, WV 635, WV 123, WV 45, MD 12
TN 32 becomes a NC secondary route (used to be NC 284), as did TN 107 (used to be NC 292)
Between Kansas and Nebraska, K-7 becomes a county road in the far SE corner of Nebraska (which gets labeled 666 Rd by Google maps) and NE 65 becomes a county road (Baileyville Road) in Kansas. The odd thing about that one is that the state road is gravel and the county road is paved.
In/near Kansas City, MO 150 transitions into a local road on the Kansas side. MO 18 also does the same a bit south of the Kansas City metro. MO 76 does similar into Oklahoma.
At the Arkansas/Missouri line, there are numerous instances of numbered Arkansas routes crossing over and becoming lettered routes, but since those are still state-maintained, they probably wouldn't count here.
Quote from: dvferyance on May 24, 2016, 11:00:26 PM
...I always believe that when a state highways enters another state it should continue as a state highway in that neighboring state....
In many cases, some states maintain all their roads, whereas adjoining states use a state/county/municipal road system. Thus, these "disconnects" as you may think of them happen quite often, although in many cases it wouldn't be noticeable except for the road signage. Crossing from DE into PA, or MD into PA, you wouldn't think that you're going from state highway to state highway because of how narrow and generally more-poorly maintained PA's state routes are. Yet in other states, such as NJ, we have many county routes that are wider and have heavier traffic counts than some of our state roads.
It would stand to reason that if two state roads joined at the state line, they should maintain the same route number, which doesn't happen quite often as well either.
TX 207 continues as a county road in Oklahoma
Quote from: dvferyance on May 24, 2016, 11:00:26 PM
I was at the South Bend road meet over the weekend and I noticed M-217 ends at the Indiana state line with no state highway continuing on. Same goes for IN-19 vice versa with no Michigan counterpart. How common is this? I always believe that when a state highways enters another state it should continue as a state highway in that neighboring state. I do know IL-73 ends at the Wisconsin state line then becomes Green county M. I always thought Green county M from the state line to WI-11 in Browntown should have been transferred to WisDOT when the nearby WI-176 was decommissioned.
In addition to the two you mentioned:
IN 18 does not continue as a state highway in IL.
IN 32 does not continue as a state highway in IL.
IN 163 does not continue as a state highway in IL.
IN 154 does not continue as a state highway in IL.
IN 161 does not continue as a state highway in KY.
OH 122 does not continue as a state highway in IN.
OH 502 does not continue as a state highway in IN.
IN 124 does not continue as a state highway in OH.
OH 613 does not continue as a state highway in IN.
OH 111 does not continue as a state highway in IN.
OH 249 does not continue as a state highway in IN.
IN 120 does not continue as a state highway in MI.
IN 327 does not continue as a state highway in MI.
Some of these used to continue but got decommissioned. I know that IN 19 used to continue as M-205.
OH 122 used to continue as IN 122. There are probably others, especially over on the IN/OH border that used to continue but one side got decommissioned.
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 25, 2016, 06:39:11 AM
Virginia has non-primary routes meeting these highways:
NC 615, NC 39, NC 903, NC 194, TN 133, TN 33, KY 38, KY 932, KY 194, WV 635, WV 123, WV 45, MD 12
And likewise, VA 4 becomes a secondary route in NC.
Quote from: Kacie Jane on May 25, 2016, 03:38:45 AM
Washington/Oregon has two possibly interesting examples involving Columbia River bridges.
Washington has SR 433, a short route leading from SR 432 in Longview to the Lewis and Clark Bridge. SR 433 ends at the state line; ODOT maintains the Oregon approaches but it's not one of their numbered highways.
Another bridge one is OR 86, crossing the Snake River into Idaho at Oxbow. The route (and Baker-Copperfield Hwy No. 012) end on the bridge at the state line, becoming NF 454, administered as part of Payette National Forest.
Idaho SH 71 does the same a ways upstream.
Also there are a few numbered highways in Oregon (that are unsigned post 2009 routes) that end abruptly:
OR 332 (Sunnyside-Umapine Hwy)
OR 339 (Freewater Hwy)
OR 453 (Adrian-Arena Valley Hwy)
OR 454 (Adrian-Caldwell Hwy)
UT-42, UT-23, and UT-200 all end at the Utah/Idaho border, with the road on the Idaho side continuing as a county road.
Quote from: jp the roadgeekVT/NH: VT 105, VT 113 and VT 114 become local roads
Not local roads. Though unnumbered, each road is a NHDOT-maintained state highway on the New Hampshire side.
QuoteNY/VT: VT 279 become an unsigned reference route
Given that the OP didn't really specify unnumbered state highways (just mentioned state highways in general), I see this one and the VT/NH examples above as being in a "gray area".
QuoteNY 314 and NY 373 are unsigned local roads on the other side of their respective ferries
Not true in NY 314's case...it's part of VT 314 on this side of the ferry.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394MN 105 becomes a county road
More like ends entirely...though I guess you could count the state line road as an Iowa county road.
Regarding Minnesota, there are a few others along the border with the Dakotas and one with Manitoba:
- MN 117 becomes a county road in South Dakota
- ND 13 becomes CSAH 12 in Breckenridge, MN
- MB (Manitoba) 525 becomes CSAH 49 going up to the Northwest Angle.
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 25, 2016, 09:12:51 AM
IN 161 does not continue as a state highway in KY.
Yes it does. The "Blue Bridge" in Owensboro is KY 2262.
There are several in Kentucky that cross into Tennessee.
OK 58 becomes an unpaved county road when it enters Kansas.
Quote from: Darkchylde on May 25, 2016, 08:19:16 AM
In/near Kansas City, MO 150 transitions into a local road on the Kansas side.
The local road on the Kansas side (135th Street/Santa Fe Street) used to be K-150, from State Line Road west to K-7.
Quote from: froggie on May 25, 2016, 12:39:24 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeekNY 314 and NY 373 are unsigned local roads on the other side of their respective ferries
Not true in NY 314's case...it's part of VT 314 on this side of the ferry.
And there's the matter of NY 314 no longer being signed east of US 9.
* IN 312 at the Illinois border, though I believe the road on the Illinois side is actually under IDOT's jurisdiction
The following are assuming Google Maps is correct:
* MO 129 connects with a county route on the Iowa side of the border
* MO 139 connects with a county route on the Iowa side of the border
* MO 149 connects with a county route on the Iowa side of the border
* MO 15 connects with a county route on the Iowa side of the border
* MO 3 connects with a county route on the Iowa side of the border
Quote from: txstateends on May 25, 2016, 09:03:53 AM
TX 207 continues as a county road in Oklahoma
On dry land I imagine these types of changes are too numerous to count. For Red River crossings, though, I know of one: the Carpenter's Bluff bridge east of Denison where FM 120 ends and continues as a county road in Oklahoma.
Two I can think of involving Colorado: KS-51 ends at the Colorado border, where it becomes a county road (many years ago it would have been CO-51). CO-318 ends at the Utah border.
LATE EDITI should have thought about this one since I've driven it: CO-116 crosses into Kansas where it is a county road - and a pretty good one - to Johnson City. This is the original route of U.S. 160, until it was rerouted to the south.
Also, there is a WY-10 that enters Colorado at what looks like NFS roads.
For New Mexico, NM-402 ends at the Oklahoma border and bends north into a county road that straddles the Oklahoma state line before bending east completely into Oklahoma.
For Minnesota, off the top of my head, MN-117 ends at the SD state line. SD-158 ends at the MN state line.
Here's one I'm not sure of: ND-13 used to connect with MN-210 at Wahpeton ND-Breckenridge MN. But, a bypass was built around the north side of these two towns and called ND-210/MN-210. ND-13 enters Wahpeton from the west but then intersects southbound ND-127, and I can't tell if it's still state highway from there east to the state line. Google Maps doesn't show route markers on it, and it's logical that ND might have relinquished that to the city. It's CSAH 12 on the Minnesota side.
Quote from: The High Plains TravelerHere's one I'm not sure of: ND-13 used to connect with MN-210 at Wahpeton ND-Breckenridge MN. But, a bypass was built around the north side of these two towns and called ND-210/MN-210. ND-13 enters Wahpeton from the west but then intersects southbound ND-127, and I can't tell if it's still state highway from there east to the state line.
According to NDDOT GIS data, it's still ND 13 to the river, so I included it upthread.
Quote from: Revive 755 on May 25, 2016, 10:45:16 PM
* IN 312 at the Illinois border, though I believe the road on the Illinois side is actually under IDOT's jurisdiction
IN 312 ends before the state line
AR 265 north of Pea Ridge ends at the MO State Line, then you follow a county road to connect to Missouri KK (KK may have been extended...I haven't looked in a while).
To the best of my knowledge, Arkansas has no highways that end with no counterpart, but Missouri has numerous Secondary Routes that end at Arkansas.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 25, 2016, 03:52:39 AM
Minnesota-Iowa:
MN 22 becomes a county road
MN 91 becomes a county road (Iowa decommissioned the matching IA 91)
MN 105 becomes a county road
IA 91 was like what 2 miles long? Was that decommissioning really necessary? Same goes for M-205. I don't get why these DOT's are so picky about maintaining a precise amount of highways and even the slightest add ons area big no no.
Quote from: Rover_0 on May 25, 2016, 11:29:32 AM
UT-42, UT-23, and UT-200 all end at the Utah/Idaho border, with the road on the Idaho side continuing as a county road.
To add onto this, I don't think there's a single state route continuing between Utah and Idaho (unless you count US 91 and US 89).
Apologies for quoting myself.
The Bluefield end of VA 102 continues as a city street in Bluefield, WV.
Quote from: Rover_0 on May 26, 2016, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: Rover_0 on May 25, 2016, 11:29:32 AM
UT-42, UT-23, and UT-200 all end at the Utah/Idaho border, with the road on the Idaho side continuing as a county road.
To add onto this, I don't think there's a single state route continuing between Utah and Idaho (unless you count US 91 and US 89).
Does ID 81 no longer exist?
Quote from: froggie on May 26, 2016, 02:07:16 PM
Quote from: Rover_0 on May 26, 2016, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: Rover_0 on May 25, 2016, 11:29:32 AM
UT-42, UT-23, and UT-200 all end at the Utah/Idaho border, with the road on the Idaho side continuing as a county road.
To add onto this, I don't think there's a single state route continuing between Utah and Idaho (unless you count US 91 and US 89).
Does ID 81 no longer exist?
Quote from: froggie on May 26, 2016, 02:07:16 PM
Quote from: Rover_0 on May 26, 2016, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: Rover_0 on May 25, 2016, 11:29:32 AM
UT-42, UT-23, and UT-200 all end at the Utah/Idaho border, with the road on the Idaho side continuing as a county road.
To add onto this, I don't think there's a single state route continuing between Utah and Idaho (unless you count US 91 and US 89).
Does ID 81 no longer exist?
Apparently it now ends at ID 77 - https://goo.gl/maps/tH4wkZK6XQ82.
But the route towards UT 42 it is posted as ID 30-S at the 77-81 junction: https://goo.gl/maps/riA6GxJSLJJ2
TN 121 becomes a county route at the Alabama State Line. Along with TN 274.
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 26, 2016, 02:20:53 PM
Quote from: froggie on May 26, 2016, 02:07:16 PM
Does ID 81 no longer exist?
Apparently it now ends at ID 77 - https://goo.gl/maps/tH4wkZK6XQ82.
But the route towards UT 42 it is posted as ID 30-S at the 77-81 junction: https://goo.gl/maps/riA6GxJSLJJ2
That's not an ID 30-S shield -- couldn't even be an ancient one, since Idaho has used a state outline similar to its current shield since the beginning of time. It might be a Cassia County route shield, but I can't find much info on county highways there, and the rest of Idaho usually uses modern pentagons when they do mark them. (But maybe it's an ancient one of those.)
SR-64 ends at Loar Hwy at the Michigan state line in Metamora, Ohio.
PA/MD seems to have a lot of them:
PA/MD - PA 134 becomes a county road (which, in Maryland, are not signposted) -- Harney Road.
PA/MD - PA 16 becomes MD 140. I don't know why the numbers change, particularly when MD 140 used to be US-140, although in that area US-140 swapped routing with MD-97, so the consistency would have made it PA 97... PA 97 is actually consistent and becomes MD 97 -- that was the former route of US-140.
PA/MD - PA 94 becomes MD 30. Not sure why the inconsistency here, either... there is an MD 94 in Howard County, though.
PA/MD - PA 516 becomes MD 86.
MD/PA - MD 45 becomes... Main Street.
MA/NY - MA 102 becomes (presumably unsigned) NY Reference Route 902D.
NH/MA - NH 128 becomes Mammoth Road. (Obviously MA 128 was already taken.)
CT/NY - CT 104 becomes Long Ridge Road
That's all I remember off hand.
Having grown up on Long Island, I have often wondered if NY-135 was supposed to connect to CT-135 via the never-built bridge that was once planned across the Long Island Sound. Fairfield County seems to be home to a lot of CT state routes in the 130-series, so I wonder if NY-135 was numbered as such to accomodate, as north-south state routes on Long Island tend to be in the NY-10x and NY-11x series. NY-135 seems out of place. Although there are also a bunch of NY-13x routes in Westchester County, which could also have made sense had an alternate Bayville-to-Rye routing of the same bridge been constructed.
RI-100 continues as local Wallum Lake Road over the MA state line.
Quote from: Darkchylde on May 25, 2016, 08:19:16 AM
In/near Kansas City, MO 150 transitions into a local road on the Kansas side. MO 18 also does the same a bit south of the Kansas City metro. MO 76 does similar into Oklahoma.
At the Arkansas/Missouri line, there are numerous instances of numbered Arkansas routes crossing over and becoming lettered routes, but since those are still state-maintained, they probably wouldn't count here.
Which makes me wonder... Just how many Missouri lettered SSRs end at a state line with no continuing state route on the other side?
Quote from: Kacie Jane on May 26, 2016, 04:54:55 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 26, 2016, 02:20:53 PM
Quote from: froggie on May 26, 2016, 02:07:16 PM
Does ID 81 no longer exist?
Apparently it now ends at ID 77 - https://goo.gl/maps/tH4wkZK6XQ82.
But the route towards UT 42 it is posted as ID 30-S at the 77-81 junction: https://goo.gl/maps/riA6GxJSLJJ2
That's not an ID 30-S shield -- couldn't even be an ancient one, since Idaho has used a state outline similar to its current shield since the beginning of time. It might be a Cassia County route shield, but I can't find much info on county highways there, and the rest of Idaho usually uses modern pentagons when they do mark them. (But maybe it's an ancient one of those.)
It's the Raft River Highway District, along an old alignment of US 30S. In places, Idaho has highway districts that are independent of counties and cities. This is one of those.
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 26, 2016, 08:21:52 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on May 25, 2016, 10:45:16 PM
* IN 312 at the Illinois border, though I believe the road on the Illinois side is actually under IDOT's jurisdiction
IN 312 ends before the state line
Is there a very short gap before the state line, or did INDOT truncate IN 312 since Google last took photos in the area? Streetview of End West IN 312 assembly (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6326416,-87.5243457,3a,75y,289.09h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s3vhb_rmSz9s3XEPvmZxf8w!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D3vhb_rmSz9s3XEPvmZxf8w%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D294.84503%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)
Quote from: dvferyance on May 26, 2016, 11:02:01 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 25, 2016, 03:52:39 AM
Minnesota-Iowa:
MN 22 becomes a county road
MN 91 becomes a county road (Iowa decommissioned the matching IA 91)
MN 105 becomes a county road
IA 91 was like what 2 miles long? Was that decommissioning really necessary? Same goes for M-205. I don't get why these DOT's are so picky about maintaining a precise amount of highways and even the slightest add ons area big no no.
I echo that sentiment. State DOT's should keep those little stubs, no matter how small they are--the M-217's and Illinois 35's of the world. Continuity in a route network is important.
On leap day, I took OH-613 to its western endpoint at the Indiana State line, where it doesn't connect with any Indiana state road. OH-500 and OH-114 to the south do the same thing, as does OH-111 to the north.
Was going to add IN-114 to the list of highways that crap out at a state line, but then I saw that IN-114 has been truncated west to US41. Was that a recent thing, or have I just been reading maps incorrectly?
GA 66 ceases to be a state highway at the North Carolina line. It looks like its NC counterpart may have been there (via old US 64) until about the mid-1960s.
GA 184 becomes a secondary road in South Carolina. GDOT maps show it connecting to (presumably) a state route up through 1950, but with no number shown.
The eastern segment of GA 94 becomes FL 2 at its west end, but County Road 2 to the east (was FL 2 until about 1991).
GA 109 becomes CR 278 upon entering Alabama.
GA 337 becomes CR 99 in Alabama.
There don't appear to be any going the other direction; all other states' numbered routes reaching Georgia remain state highways here.
M-125 becomes Detroit Ave upon entering Ohio
Quote from: tckma on May 26, 2016, 06:27:26 PM
Having grown up on Long Island, I have often wondered if NY-135 was supposed to connect to CT-135 via the never-built bridge that was once planned across the Long Island Sound. Fairfield County seems to be home to a lot of CT state routes in the 130-series, so I wonder if NY-135 was numbered as such to accomodate, as north-south state routes on Long Island tend to be in the NY-10x and NY-11x series. NY-135 seems out of place. Although there are also a bunch of NY-13x routes in Westchester County, which could also have made sense had an alternate Bayville-to-Rye routing of the same bridge been constructed.
CT 135 is quite a ways east of NY 135; a bridge to connect to it would more likely involve a spur of the Sunken Meadow State Parkway.
Quote from: Revive 755 on May 26, 2016, 09:00:53 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 26, 2016, 08:21:52 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on May 25, 2016, 10:45:16 PM
* IN 312 at the Illinois border, though I believe the road on the Illinois side is actually under IDOT's jurisdiction
IN 312 ends before the state line
Is there a very short gap before the state line, or did INDOT truncate IN 312 since Google last took photos in the area? Streetview of End West IN 312 assembly (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6326416,-87.5243457,3a,75y,289.09h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s3vhb_rmSz9s3XEPvmZxf8w!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D3vhb_rmSz9s3XEPvmZxf8w%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D294.84503%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)
I thought it had been truncated to Calumet Ave, but perhaps not.
Quote from: paulthemapguy on May 26, 2016, 09:29:07 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on May 26, 2016, 11:02:01 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 25, 2016, 03:52:39 AM
Minnesota-Iowa:
MN 22 becomes a county road
MN 91 becomes a county road (Iowa decommissioned the matching IA 91)
MN 105 becomes a county road
IA 91 was like what 2 miles long? Was that decommissioning really necessary? Same goes for M-205. I don't get why these DOT's are so picky about maintaining a precise amount of highways and even the slightest add ons area big no no.
I echo that sentiment. State DOT's should keep those little stubs, no matter how small they are--the M-217's and Illinois 35's of the world. Continuity in a route network is important.
I second that. I even second that for that particular highway, which is actually 4.5 miles long (or so). IA 91 was the road I used to turn at to go to my aunt's farm when I'm driving up north to SW Minnesota from Omaha, but after 2003, I got to remember some particular county road and it's just easier to remember a state highway shield than some county road. At least they have signage pointing the way to Ellsworth, MN (the town right over the border there). In the complete opposite corner of Iowa, the old southern IA 15, which connects to MO 15, was decommissioned at the same time, but IA 81, which goes to MO 81, remains yet today.
Quote from: Kacie Jane on May 25, 2016, 03:38:45 AM
Washington has SR 433, a short route leading from SR 432 in Longview to the Lewis and Clark Bridge. SR 433 ends at the state line; ODOT maintains the Oregon approaches but it's not one of their numbered highways.
That's actually not quite correct, and neither is the Wikipedia article. WSDOT maintains the entire bridge (save the Oregon approaches, as noted), and up to a few years ago, there was a WA 433 shield on the Oregon side at the beginning of the bridge. It's a rare instance of a state highway being inside another state -- NY 17 dipping into Pennsylvania's probably the best known example, while MN 23 clips a corner of Wisconsin, BC 97 and YT 1 hop across the BC/YT border a bit, and NT 5 dips into Alberta twice. And, another Washington highway technically enters Oregon: WA 409, as a ferry crossing across the Columbia to Westport, Oregon because Washington's ferries are part of the state highway system. And despite OSM putting the WA 409 designation on Westport Ferry Rd, that's not maintained by ODOT or WSDOT, so WA 409 qualifies for this thread.
Quote from: Bickendan on May 28, 2016, 05:11:11 AM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on May 25, 2016, 03:38:45 AM
Washington has SR 433, a short route leading from SR 432 in Longview to the Lewis and Clark Bridge. SR 433 ends at the state line; ODOT maintains the Oregon approaches but it's not one of their numbered highways.
That's actually not quite correct, and neither is the Wikipedia article. WSDOT maintains the entire bridge (save the Oregon approaches, as noted), and up to a few years ago, there was a WA 433 shield on the Oregon side at the beginning of the bridge. It's a rare instance of a state highway being inside another state -- NY 17 dipping into Pennsylvania's probably the best known example, while MN 23 clips a corner of Wisconsin, BC 97 and YT 1 hop across the BC/YT border a bit, and NT 5 dips into Alberta twice. And, another Washington highway technically enters Oregon: WA 409, as a ferry crossing across the Columbia to Westport, Oregon because Washington's ferries are part of the state highway system. And despite OSM putting the WA 409 designation on Westport Ferry Rd, that's not maintained by ODOT or WSDOT, so WA 409 qualifies for this thread.
2 other examples: NY 120A entering CT and ME 113 entering NH (twice)
With Missouri's extensive secondary state highway system, there are a lot of routes like this.
Here is a list of just the routes that end at the Kansas state line, from north to south:
MO-150 / 135th Street
SSR-Y / 247th Street
MO-18 / 359th Street
SSR-Y / State Line Road
SSR-J / 2200th Road
SSR-D / Valley Road
SSR-M / Quivera Road
SSR-FF / 267th Terrace
SSR-K / State Line Road
SSR-P / 14th Street
SSR-YY / Old Highway 96
SSR-P / Turkey Creek Road
MO-76 / E0240 Road
SSR-J / E0330 Road
Quote from: tckma on May 26, 2016, 06:19:21 PM
PA/MD seems to have a lot of them:
PA/MD - PA 134 becomes a county road (which, in Maryland, are not signposted) -- Harney Road.
PA/MD - PA 16 becomes MD 140. I don't know why the numbers change, particularly when MD 140 used to be US-140, although in that area US-140 swapped routing with MD-97, so the consistency would have made it PA 97... PA 97 is actually consistent and becomes MD 97 -- that was the former route of US-140.
PA/MD - PA 94 becomes MD 30. Not sure why the inconsistency here, either... there is an MD 94 in Howard County, though.
PA/MD - PA 516 becomes MD 86.
MD/PA - MD 45 becomes... Main Street.
MA/NY - MA 102 becomes (presumably unsigned) NY Reference Route 902D.
NH/MA - NH 128 becomes Mammoth Road. (Obviously MA 128 was already taken.)
CT/NY - CT 104 becomes Long Ridge Road
That's all I remember off hand.
Here are 2 examples in the PA/MD/WV border area. MD 42 becomes a secondary state route (Friendsville Rd.) once it enters PA. The road meets PA 281 a short distance later. Nearby, PA 381 becomes a secondary route (Clifton Mills Rd.) once it enters WV. That road meets WV 26 (which PA 281 becomes once it enters WV) a short distance later.
Is IA 165 still commissioned? If so....
What's the biggest disparity in adjacent states' highways? Down in the extreme southwestern corner of North Carolina, the four-lane with center turn lane NC 60 becomes narrow, two-lane Georgia SR 60 Spur. https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9878241,-84.1815731,18z/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en-US
Quote from: tckma on May 26, 2016, 06:27:26 PM
Having grown up on Long Island, I have often wondered if NY-135 was supposed to connect to CT-135 via the never-built bridge that was once planned across the Long Island Sound. Fairfield County seems to be home to a lot of CT state routes in the 130-series, so I wonder if NY-135 was numbered as such to accomodate, as north-south state routes on Long Island tend to be in the NY-10x and NY-11x series. NY-135 seems out of place. Although there are also a bunch of NY-13x routes in Westchester County, which could also have made sense had an alternate Bayville-to-Rye routing of the same bridge been constructed.
It was supposed to connect to I-287 in Rye. There's more information available on Steve Anderson's site at http://www.nycroads.com.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 25, 2016, 12:39:46 AM
NY/NJ: NY 303, NY 304, and NY 340 become local roads, NJ 23 becomes Orange CR 15.
Also, NY 210 becomes CR 511 in New Jersey.
Don't forget about NY 45 not even being a 500 series number once it leaves Rockland County, NY for Bergen County, NJ.
I actually like DE 299 and MD 299 being so close to each other, but neither are an extension of the other. DE 299 becomes an unnumbered road in Cecil County, MD once across the border even though eventually MD 299 starts up a few miles later.
Quote from: ftballfan on May 26, 2016, 10:20:15 PM
M-125 becomes Detroit Ave upon entering Ohio
I completely forgot about that one. And I used to live right there, about a half-mile from the state line and S. Dixie Highway, although at the time of the US-25 de-commissioning, Detroit Avenue became SR-25, albeit temporarily.
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on May 28, 2016, 08:23:37 PM
Is IA 165 still commissioned? If so....
Omg I forgot IA-165 would be a great candidate for this thread! It's definitely still commissioned. Here are photos from the northern and southern ends, respectively.
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7378/27262198771_6d92956bd8_c.jpg)
(https://flic.kr/p/Hx4TTR)IMG_3244 (https://flic.kr/p/Hx4TTR) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7442/26726192923_2690d941b5_c.jpg)
(https://flic.kr/p/GHGJ2H)IMG_3240 (https://flic.kr/p/GHGJ2H) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr
Also- has anyone brought up MN-117 yet?
Speaking of Delaware, you have DE 7 that ends at the PA State Line, but no continuing PA Route on the other side.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 29, 2016, 02:52:17 PM
Speaking of Delaware, you have DE 7 that ends at the PA State Line, but no continuing PA Route on the other side.
At least PA signs it with a DE 7 sign from PA 41.
Closer to home for me, OH 289 goes through Lowellville, Ohio and then turns into a small, rural, wooded unpainted road on the east end of town at the state line. It also immediately splits into two roads. One becomes eventually Baird Rd (the good road) to US 422 and the other Graham Rd. To get to US 224 from Lowellville, there's two options south of town that aren't state routes. One with a 7% grade with a 90 degree turn near the bottom heading into town.
Does anyone know if NJ 413 is a real thing? If not then PA 413 ends at the midpoint of the Burlington-Bristol Bridge. I'm leaning towards this being the case as there are no signs on Keim Blvd, the road that leads to the bridge. Just a few LGSes with PA 413 shields on them.
CT 104 connects to nothing in New York,
Quote from: ekt8750 on May 29, 2016, 08:56:26 PM
Does anyone know if NJ 413 is a real thing? If not then PA 413 ends at the midpoint of the Burlington-Bristol Bridge. I'm leaning towards this being the case as there are no signs on Keim Blvd, the road that leads to the bridge. Just a few LGSes with PA 413 shields on them.
Is this NJ 413 shield not around anymore? It is (was) posted on a street light post immediately after the Broad Street traffic circle.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7022/6766500591_f1f0ff068d_z.jpg)
Also, there's this overhead street blade sign (https://goo.gl/maps/Hu2MTjdexTS2) with a NJ 413 shield inside of it at the US 130 intersection just up the street as well as this shield (https://goo.gl/maps/96gNZJb5YWP2) inside the jughandle at the same intersection. Not sure if there's anything else though.
I-676 ends...somewhere. Officially it ends at 6th Street/Callowhill St and the I-95 ramps, but I recall from another thread that DRPA says that it ends midspan on the Ben Franklin and continues as US 30. Could be the only interstate instance.
Quote from: noelbotevera on May 30, 2016, 02:26:08 AM
I-676 ends...somewhere. Officially it ends at 6th Street/Callowhill St and the I-95 ramps, but I recall from another thread that DRPA says that it ends midspan on the Ben Franklin and continues as US 30. Could be the only interstate instance.
I believe I-22 ends at a state line.
Quote from: ekt8750 on May 29, 2016, 08:56:26 PM
Does anyone know if NJ 413 is a real thing? If not then PA 413 ends at the midpoint of the Burlington-Bristol Bridge. I'm leaning towards this being the case as there are no signs on Keim Blvd, the road that leads to the bridge. Just a few LGSes with PA 413 shields on them.
Yes. It runs for about 3/4 of a mile into NJ.
Quote from: noelbotevera on May 30, 2016, 02:26:08 AM
I-676 ends...somewhere. Officially it ends at 6th Street/Callowhill St and the I-95 ramps, but I recall from another thread that DRPA says that it ends midspan on the Ben Franklin and continues as US 30. Could be the only interstate instance.
PA recognizes SR 676 to the 6th St interchange and then everything else is signed as a ramp. The DRPA and PennDOT put I-676 shields on their BGSes through Franklin Square as a courtesy. 6th St already a PennDOT road so it doesn't have to rely on Philly for maintenance.
Quote from: 1 on May 30, 2016, 07:14:14 AM
Quote from: noelbotevera on May 30, 2016, 02:26:08 AM
I-676 ends...somewhere. Officially it ends at 6th Street/Callowhill St and the I-95 ramps, but I recall from another thread that DRPA says that it ends midspan on the Ben Franklin and continues as US 30. Could be the only interstate instance.
I believe I-22 ends at a state line.
I-22 runs/will run from I-269 to I-65. It doesn't get to the TN state line.
Quote from: Bickendan on May 28, 2016, 05:11:11 AM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on May 25, 2016, 03:38:45 AM
Washington has SR 433, a short route leading from SR 432 in Longview to the Lewis and Clark Bridge. SR 433 ends at the state line; ODOT maintains the Oregon approaches but it's not one of their numbered highways.
That's actually not quite correct, and neither is the Wikipedia article. WSDOT maintains the entire bridge (save the Oregon approaches, as noted), and up to a few years ago, there was a WA 433 shield on the Oregon side at the beginning of the bridge. It's a rare instance of a state highway being inside another state -- NY 17 dipping into Pennsylvania's probably the best known example, while MN 23 clips a corner of Wisconsin, BC 97 and YT 1 hop across the BC/YT border a bit, and NT 5 dips into Alberta twice. And, another Washington highway technically enters Oregon: WA 409, as a ferry crossing across the Columbia to Westport, Oregon because Washington's ferries are part of the state highway system. And despite OSM putting the WA 409 designation on Westport Ferry Rd, that's not maintained by ODOT or WSDOT, so WA 409 qualifies for this thread.
SR 433 might be open to interpretation. I confess I don't actually know who maintains exactly what; I was mainly just going from memory of past conversations here. Wikipedia seems to be correct though according to what you're saying; they say the WSDOT maintains the entire Lewis and Clark Bridge. Also, WSDOT is unambiguous that 433's milepost 0 is at the state line mid-river. (You can double check this if you'd like... the route ends at milepost 0.94 at SR 432, and 0.94 miles southwest from SR 432 puts you midriver, not in Oregon.) So at the very least, it's not the same as NY 17, where mileposts are continuous across state lines. (Any WA 433 shield in Oregon was probably missing a semi-optional TO plate.)
But you're mistaken on SR 409. The law in 1994 added the Washington State Ferries (a proper noun) to the state highway system, not all ferries, and this one is a county ferry. So here Wikipedia is mistaken. (I see the source, but I think saying "is considered an extension" is not necessarily the same as "is legally and technically part of".) Though it still might count for the thread, since other people have posted roads that end at ferry docks, and ending at the shoreline as opposed to midriver really should be good enough unless you're
anal Alan.
(There's at least one exception to the Washington State Ferries. SR 20 Spur continues from Anacortes to the San Juan Islands across the ferry route, but does not continue past there to Sidney, British Columbia.)
I know this route has already been mentioned, but could RI 100 become RI/MA 100? The number 100 is unused in Massachusetts. Its northern terminus would be at MA 16.
(Also, Apple Maps shows MA 100 as if it existed.)
Would a bannered route count? If so, then WV 27-Alt becomes a secondary route (Eldersville Rd.) when it crosses into Washington County, PA.
OH 165 becomes a secondary route (Taggart Rd) as it crosses into Beaver County, PA.
PA 108 becomes a county road (CR 8) when it crosses into Mahoning County, OH.
OH 289 becomes a local road (Graham Rd) as it crosses into Lawrence County, PA
Quote from: 1 on May 30, 2016, 03:17:30 PM
I know this route has already been mentioned, but could RI 100 become RI/MA 100? The number 100 is unused in Massachusetts. Its northern terminus would be at MA 16.
(Also, Apple Maps shows MA 100 as if it existed.)
Be careful with Apple Maps. It shows DE 7 becoming PA 7, NJ 90 becoming PA 90, MA 7A becoming CT 7A, CT and NY 124 as still being continuous and still shows PA 100 connecting to DE 100. OTOH, it shows CT 183 ending at the MA line and still shows CT 179 extending north of CT 20 to the MA line
I-276 in PA ends at the NJ state line (Turnpike Bridge) for now. It will be truncated further west to end at I-95. US 46 in NJ ends at the NY state line (George Washington Bridge). It doesn't quite make it to the PA state line at its other end. In both cases the road continues into the other state without a downgraded in designation (276 becomes 95 and 46 multiplexes with US 1, US 9, and I-95, all of which continue into NY)
Quote from: MikeTheActuaryIs IA 165 still commissioned? If so....
According to our resident Iowa Highways expert (http://www.iowahighways.org/highways/iowa160-179.html), yes it is.
Quote from: paulthemapguyAlso- has anyone brought up MN-117 yet?
I did on the first page (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=18019.msg2147023#msg2147023).
It's inevitable that I have made one or more mistakes here, but I found 63 state highways in Missouri that end at a state line with no state highway on the other side. One of them does so at both endpoints. Of the 63, nine of them are primary (numbered) highways and the others are secondary/supplemental (lettered) highways.
Here we go, counterclockwise starting at the NW corner of the state:
[ KANSAS]
MO-150 (ends at 135th Street)
SSR-Y (ends at 247th Street)
MO-18 (ends at 359th Street)
SSR-Y (ends at State Line Road)
SSR-J (ends at 2200th Road)
SSR-D (ends at Valley Road)
SSR-M (ends at Quivera Road)
SSR-FF (ends at 267th Terrace)
SSR-K (ends at State Line Road)
SSR-P (ends at 14th Street)
SSR-YY (ends at Old Highway 96)
SSR-P (ends at Turkey Creek Road)
MO-76 (ends at E0240 Road)
SSR-J (ends at E0330 Road)
[ARKANSAS]
SSR-MM (ends at Hesston Road)
SSR-DD (ends at Old Wire Road)
SSR-JJ (ends at Old Springfield Road)
SSR-W (ends at CR-151)
SSR-JJ (ends at CR-31)
SSR-H (ends at CR-197)
SSR-W (ends at State Line Road)
SSR-FF (ends at State Line Road)
[TENNESSEE]
MO-162 (Tiptonville Ferry no longer operational)
[IOWA]
SSR-V (ends at CR-J56)
SSR-P (ends at 300th Road)
SSR-Z (ends at 305th Street)
MO-15 (ends at CR-V56)
SSR-DD (ends at Valley Avenue)
SSR-B (ends at Robin Boulevard)
SSR-N (ends at Nuthatch Avenue)
SSR-CC (ends at CR-V20)
SSR-M (ends at Dewberry Avenue)
SSR-N (ends at 294th Avenue)
MO-149 (ends at CR-T30)
MO-129 (ends at CR-T20)
SSR-CC (ends at State Line Road)
SSR-UU (ends at 141st Avenue)
SSR-U (ends at CR-S60)
SSR-T (ends at CR-S50)
MO-139 (ends at CR-S40)
SSR-E (ends at CR-S34)
SSR-W (ends at CR-S16)
SSR-K (ends at 290th Avenue)
MO-3 (ends at Main Street)
SSR-O (ends at CR-R32)
SSR-T (ends at E100th Street)
SSR-KK (ends at CR-R14)
SSR-U (ends at CR-P64)
SSR-O (ends at CR-P46)
SSR-T (ends at CR-P38)
SSR-F (ends at CR-P14)
SSR-D (ends at Missouri—Taylor Street)
SSR-H (ends at CR-N56)
SSR-E (ends at Missouri—Taylor Street)
SSR-FF (ends at Colt Avenue)
SSR-KK (ends at Oak Avenue)
SSR-C (ends at 2nd Street)
SSR-O (ends at D Avenue)
SSR-F (ends at CR-M18)
SSR-T (ends at CR-L72)
SSR-CC (ends at CR-L68)
SSR-V (ends at Main Street on one end and CR-J64 on the other)
I don't think WV 45 should count, because it becomes a Virginia state route.
Quote from: kphoger on May 31, 2016, 01:06:21 PM
It's inevitable that I have made one or more mistakes here, but I found 62 state highways in Missouri that end at a state line with no state highway on the other side. One of them does so at both endpoints. Of the 62, nine of them are primary (numbered) highways and the others are secondary/supplemental (lettered) highways.
Here we go, counterclockwise starting at the NW corner of the state:
MO-150 (ends at 135th Street)
SSR-Y (ends at 247th Street)
MO-18 (ends at 359th Street)
SSR-Y (ends at State Line Road)
SSR-J (ends at 2200th Road)
SSR-D (ends at Valley Road)
SSR-M (ends at Quivera Road)
SSR-FF (ends at 267th Terrace)
SSR-K (ends at State Line Road)
SSR-P (ends at 14th Street)
SSR-YY (ends at Old Highway 96)
SSR-P (ends at Turkey Creek Road)
MO-76 (ends at E0240 Road)
SSR-J (ends at E0330 Road)
SSR-MM (ends at Hesston Road)
SSR-DD (ends at Old Wire Road)
SSR-JJ (ends at Old Springfield Road)
SSR-W (ends at CR-151)
SSR-JJ (ends at CR-31)
SSR-H (ends at CR-197)
SSR-FF (ends at State Line Road)
MO-162 (Tiptonville Ferry no longer operational)
SSR-V (ends at CR-J56)
SSR-P (ends at 300th Road)
SSR-Z (ends at 305th Street)
MO-15 (ends at CR-V56)
SSR-DD (ends at Valley Avenue)
SSR-B (ends at Robin Boulevard)
SSR-N (ends at Nuthatch Avenue)
SSR-CC (ends at CR-V20)
SSR-M (ends at Dewberry Avenue)
SSR-N (ends at 294th Avenue)
MO-149 (ends at CR-T30)
MO-129 (ends at CR-T20)
SSR-CC (ends at State Line Road)
SSR-UU (ends at 141st Avenue)
SSR-U (ends at CR-S60)
SSR-T (ends at CR-S50)
MO-139 (ends at CR-S40)
SSR-E (ends at CR-S34)
SSR-W (ends at CR-S16)
SSR-K (ends at 290th Avenue)
MO-3 (ends at Main Street)
SSR-O (ends at CR-R32)
SSR-T (ends at E100th Street)
SSR-KK (ends at CR-R14)
SSR-U (ends at CR-P64)
SSR-O (ends at CR-P46)
SSR-T (ends at CR-P38)
SSR-F (ends at CR-P14)
SSR-D (ends at Missouri—Taylor Street)
SSR-H (ends at CR-N56)
SSR-E (ends at Missouri—Taylor Street)
SSR-FF (ends at Colt Avenue)
SSR-KK (ends at Oak Avenue)
SSR-C (ends at 2nd Street)
SSR-O (ends at D Avenue)
SSR-F (ends at CR-M18)
SSR-T (ends at CR-L72)
SSR-CC (ends at CR-L68)
SSR-V (ends at Main Street on one end and CR-J64 on the other)
Missouri's lettered highways don't count this discussion is only for primary state highways.
Quote from: dvferyance on May 31, 2016, 02:00:16 PM
Missouri's lettered highways don't count this discussion is only for primary state highways.
I was unaware the discussion only related to primary state highways, as it was not stated in the OP...
Quote from: dvferyance on May 24, 2016, 11:00:26 PM
I was at the South Bend road meet over the weekend and I noticed M-217 ends at the Indiana state line with no state highway continuing on. Same goes for IN-19 vice versa with no Michigan counterpart. How common is this? I always believe that when a state highways enters another state it should continue as a state highway in that neighboring state. I do know IL-73 ends at the Wisconsin state line then becomes Green county M. I always thought Green county M from the state line to WI-11 in Browntown should have been transferred to WisDOT when the nearby WI-176 was decommissioned.
... and because secondary state highways for at least Tennessee and Kentucky have already been mentioned in the thread.
More examples along the PA/MD border...
MD 546 becomes Greenville Rd. as it crosses into Somerset County, PA
PA 326 becomes Gap Rd. NE as it crosses into Allegany County, MD
PA 26 becomes N. Orleans Rd. as it crosses into Allegany County, MD
PA 655 becomes N. Pennsylvania Ave. as it crosses into Hancock, MD
PA 928 becomes Tollgate Ridge Rd. as it crosses into Washington County, MD
Quote from: jmd41280 on May 31, 2016, 09:47:53 PM
More examples along the PA/MD border...
MD 546 becomes Greenville Rd. as it crosses into Somerset County, PA
PA 326 becomes Gap Rd. NE as it crosses into Allegany County, MD
PA 26 becomes N. Orleans Rd. as it crosses into Allegany County, MD
PA 655 becomes N. Pennsylvania Ave. as it crosses into Hancock, MD
PA 928 becomes Tollgate Ridge Rd. as it crosses into Washington County, MD
Also, PA 456 becomes Hollow Road at the MD Line. MD 615 becomes Heavenly Acres Rd at the PA Line. What's odd is Hollow Rd goes on to end at MD 615, and Heavenly Acres goes on to end at PA 928, so the three are all connected by roads with no number that become numbered roads at the border.
Also adding to PA/MD ones I think not yet mentioned
-MD 63 becomes Williamsport Pike near Greencastle
-MD 418 becomes Midvale Rd into Rouzerville
-Business US 15 becomes Old Gettysburg Rd near Emmitsburg
-MD 24 becomes Rocks Rd into Fawn Grove
-MD 623 becomes Flintville Rd near Delta
To the best of my knowledge, involving Wisconsin:
- IL 73 becomes Green County (WI) 'M'
- M-64 becomes Vilas County (WI) 'B'
- M-95 becomes, well, I don't really know, nothing is marked in the block or so between the state line (a bridge over the Menominee River) and Florence County (WI) 'N'.
- WI 17 becomes Smokey Lake Rd (a local township road) in Iron County, MI
- WI 122 becomes Gogebic County (MI) 505
Mike
Nevada examples previously mentioned:
- Nipton Road (Nevada SR 164) crosses into California with no number.
- Denio Road (Nevada SR 292) crosses into Oregon as a county route–although maps mark it as Oregon Route 205.
- California SR 299 becomes a dirt road upon entering Nevada. The dirt road was designated State Route 8A prior to the 1976 renumbering.
Another:
- Scotty's Castle Road (Nevada SR 267) crosses into California with no number. The California state line is also the Death Valley National Park boundary, so the road is likely maintained by the park service.
Quote from: mgk920 on June 04, 2016, 09:33:31 PM
To the best of my knowledge, involving Wisconsin:
- IL 73 becomes Green County (WI) 'M'
- M-64 becomes Vilas County (WI) 'B'
- M-95 becomes, well, I don't really know, nothing is marked in the block or so between the state line (a bridge over the Menominee River) and Florence County (WI) 'N'.
- WI 17 becomes Smokey Lake Rd (a local township road) in Iron County, MI
- WI 122 becomes Gogebic County (MI) 505
Mike
I mentioned IL-73 my point was why didn't wisdot take over Green County M from the state line to Browntown when the nearby WI-176 was turned over to Lafayette County? It still would have been a reduction of about 7 miles anyways. Would have made perfect sense would have corrected what should have been done back in the 1940's.
Quote from: dvferyance on June 07, 2016, 06:44:55 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on June 04, 2016, 09:33:31 PM
To the best of my knowledge, involving Wisconsin:
- IL 73 becomes Green County (WI) 'M'
- M-64 becomes Vilas County (WI) 'B'
- M-95 becomes, well, I don't really know, nothing is marked in the block or so between the state line (a bridge over the Menominee River) and Florence County (WI) 'N'.
- WI 17 becomes Smokey Lake Rd (a local township road) in Iron County, MI
- WI 122 becomes Gogebic County (MI) 505
Mike
I mentioned IL-73 my point was why didn't wisdot take over Green County M from the state line to Browntown when the nearby WI-176 was turned over to Lafayette County? It still would have been a reduction of about 7 miles anyways. Would have made perfect sense would have corrected what should have been done back in the 1940's.
Likely due to a serious lack of traffic. I drove that road about 20 or so years ago and it was sparse, indeed. Aside from the abysmal condition of IL 73 (some of the worst concrete that I had ever driven before or since, I-270 in CO notwithstanding at the time) was making me wonder whether or not IDOT was planning to turn it over to Stephenson County.
Mike
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on May 26, 2016, 06:23:10 AM
LATE EDITI should have thought about this one since I've driven it: CO-116 crosses into Kansas where it is a county road - and a pretty good one - to Johnson City. This is the original route of U.S. 160, until it was rerouted to the south.
OK, that explains it. I was on that stretch of road in summer 2014, I was wondering why it was actually good road in KS (it was pretty crummy road on the CO side).
Baca County, Colorado is one heck of an isolated place. Wow.
On a side note --- what is the real actual name of the KS town you mention above? The Colorado road signs have it as Johnson, KS. My Rand McNally road atlas has it as Johnson, KS. The Kansas road signs (and you) have it as Johnson City, KS.
Also add NY 367 and NY 427, and PA 44 at the NY/PA Border.
Quote from: keithvh on June 08, 2016, 11:38:42 PM
On a side note --- what is the real actual name of the KS town you mention above? The Colorado road signs have it as Johnson, KS. My Rand McNally road atlas has it as Johnson, KS. The Kansas road signs (and you) have it as Johnson City, KS.
Not quite sure. The Stanton County website and the hospital website both list their addresses as "Johnson, KS". The official KDOT map is titled "Johnson City".
Quote from: mgk920 on June 08, 2016, 10:15:50 AM
Quote from: dvferyance on June 07, 2016, 06:44:55 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on June 04, 2016, 09:33:31 PM
To the best of my knowledge, involving Wisconsin:
- IL 73 becomes Green County (WI) 'M'
- M-64 becomes Vilas County (WI) 'B'
- M-95 becomes, well, I don't really know, nothing is marked in the block or so between the state line (a bridge over the Menominee River) and Florence County (WI) 'N'.
- WI 17 becomes Smokey Lake Rd (a local township road) in Iron County, MI
- WI 122 becomes Gogebic County (MI) 505
Mike
I mentioned IL-73 my point was why didn't wisdot take over Green County M from the state line to Browntown when the nearby WI-176 was turned over to Lafayette County? It still would have been a reduction of about 7 miles anyways. Would have made perfect sense would have corrected what should have been done back in the 1940's.
Likely due to a serious lack of traffic. I drove that road about 20 or so years ago and it was sparse, indeed. Aside from the abysmal condition of IL 73 (some of the worst concrete that I had ever driven before or since, I-270 in CO notwithstanding at the time) was making me wonder whether or not IDOT was planning to turn it over to Stephenson County.
Mike
IL-73 has been around as long as 1924. As long as it's there it should have a Wisconsin counterpart regardless of traffic counts. Like I said before is there really a reason why these dot's should be so picky about maintaining a couple of extra miles? IA-91 and M-205 are good examples of this. It's only 5 miles between the state line and WI-11 that's not very much.
Quote from: dvferyance on June 09, 2016, 12:42:27 PM
is there really a reason why these dot's should be so picky about maintaining a couple of extra miles? IA-91 and M-205 are good examples of this. It's only 5 miles between the state line and WI-11 that's not very much.
If the counties don't have sufficient funds to adequately maintain the road, then I'd say there is a reason for the state DOT to maintain it. If the state is strapped for cash, then I understand relinquishing minor routes.
IA-91 connects to MN-91, but hasn't been state-maintained since 2003. M-205 connects to IN-19, but hasn't been state-maintained since 2002. Are you suggesting they should return to being state highways or remain county roads?
It seems really strange that Michigan decommissioned their section of US IN/MI/OH 120. Now IN and OH have their own separate sections, while Michigan has an unnumbered road that connects to 120 at both state lines.
Quote from: kphoger on June 09, 2016, 01:57:49 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on June 09, 2016, 12:42:27 PM
is there really a reason why these dot's should be so picky about maintaining a couple of extra miles? IA-91 and M-205 are good examples of this. It's only 5 miles between the state line and WI-11 that's not very much.
If the counties don't have sufficient funds to adequately maintain the road, then I'd say there is a reason for the state DOT to maintain it. If the state is strapped for cash, then I understand relinquishing minor routes.
IA-91 connects to MN-91, but hasn't been state-maintained since 2003. M-205 connects to IN-19, but hasn't been state-maintained since 2002. Are you suggesting they should return to being state highways or remain county roads?
I just think it is so ilogical to have a state highway become a county highway at a state line. Both are super short so what was the big deal of turning them over in the first place?
It is more illogical to have NJ 23, a state highway in NJ connect to US 6, another state highway in NY through an interchange with a state maintained interstate to be taken care of by the county.
Quote from: kphoger on June 09, 2016, 12:15:37 PM
Quote from: keithvh on June 08, 2016, 11:38:42 PM
On a side note --- what is the real actual name of the KS town you mention above? The Colorado road signs have it as Johnson, KS. My Rand McNally road atlas has it as Johnson, KS. The Kansas road signs (and you) have it as Johnson City, KS.
Not quite sure. The Stanton County website and the hospital website both list their addresses as "Johnson, KS". The official KDOT map is titled "Johnson City".
I always was just passing through on my way from Pueblo to Liberal, so my opinion isn't authoritative. I always thought of it as Johnson City. The big phallic water tower with "Johnson" and the high school mascot (Trojans) always amused me. Because that's where my mind goes.
Quote from: roadman65 on June 10, 2016, 01:33:23 PM
It is more illogical to have NJ 23, a state highway in NJ connect to US 6, another state highway in NY through an interchange with a state maintained interstate to be taken care of by the county.
Speaking of NJ 23, what does this sign say?
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3518989,-74.6860195,3a,15y,245.66h,87.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYz27JJqs-bPjwXhSnwh9rA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I can make out "WELCOME", "MONTAGUE", and "OF NEW JERSEY". Oddly, the NJ welcome signs here are oddly spaced. I believe the actual state line is where "Welcome to Orange County" appears going Northbound. There is a "Township of Montague" sign just to the south followed immediately by the one above. Then after some 0.3 miles, a "Welcome to New Jersey" followed by "Sussex County".
There's a couple more I can think of (and using an outdated PA road atlas to help me):
PA/NJ: NJ's section of I-676 ends midspan on the Ben Franklin Bridge, and continues as US 30. For signing purposes it's signed as if it is I-676/US 30.
PA/MD?: PA 163 ends at the MD State Line (or is there a gap?) and US 11.
PA/NY?: PA 371 looks like it ends at the NY State Line without a continuation to NY 97. My road atlas doesn't have a shield on the short section of road between the state line and NY 97.
OH/PA: OH 609 turns into nothing and ends at the PA State Line. I'm not sure if there's an access road from the of OH 609 to the Shenango Lake Rec Area, as my atlas doesn't list it.
PA/WV: PA 218 looks like it ends at the WV state line and a road without a number connects it to WV 7.
PA/MD: PA 416 becomes Cearfoss Road upon entering Maryland.
PA/MD: MD 418 turns into Midvale Road upon entering PA.
PA/MD: PA 134 turns into Harney Rd. upon entering MD.
PA/MD: MD 623 turns into Flintville Rd. upon entering MD.
PA/MD: MD 24 turns into SR 2055 upon entering PA.
Quote from: noelbotevera on June 19, 2016, 06:36:41 PM
PA/WV: PA 218 looks like it ends at the WV state line and a road without a number connects it to WV 7.
Becomes WV 218.
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