Not necessarily multi-state highways, but state highways that run from one state border to another.
Example -- WV 9. Enters the state from Maryland as MD 51 and exits the state as VA 9.
Honorable mention -- KY 80. Begins at the Mississippi River a stone's throw from the Missouri state line, and exits the state as VA 80.
We can't have this topic without mentioning OK-3 at 615 miles.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Ok-3_path.png)
My first thought was that this has to be a pretty big list, so rather than listing a few examples I could come up with, I decided to run a search through the Travel Mapping data for routes in state highway systems that have first and last waypoints of the form "XX/XX", which is what we would normally use to denote state boundaries. Here's what I got. Note that it includes highways that border Canada where the province postal abbreviation was used, and excludes anything that uses a non-standard border waypoint label.
az.az095bul.wpt CA/AZ to AZ/NV
ca.ca266.wpt NV/CA to CA/NV
co.wy070.wpt WY/CO to CO/WY
ct.ct041.wpt NY/CT to CT/MA
ct.ny120agre.wpt NY/CT to CT/NY
ct.ny120ariv.wpt NY/CT to CT/NY
de.de054del.wpt MD/DE to DE/MD
fl.fl002oke.wpt GA/FL to FL/GA
ga.ga025.wpt FL/GA to GA/SC
ga.ga094stg.wpt FL/GA to GA/FL
ga.ga301.wpt AL/GA to GA/AL
ia.ia009.wpt SD/IA to IA/WI
ia.ia027.wpt MO/IA to IA/MN
ia.ia092.wpt NE/IA to IA/IL
ia.ia165.wpt NE/IA to IA/NE
id.mt043.wpt MT/ID to ID/MT
il.il009.wpt IA/IL to IL/IN
in.in028.wpt IL/IN to IN/OH
in.in032.wpt IL/IN to IN/OH
ks.ks015.wpt OK/KS to KS/NE
ks.ks025.wpt OK/KS to KS/NE
ks.ks099.wpt OK/KS to KS/NE
ma.ma008.wpt CT/MA to MA/VT
ma.ma010.wpt CT/MA to MA/VT
ma.ma012.wpt CT/MA to MA/NH
ma.ma031.wpt CT/MA to MA/NH
ma.ma032.wpt CT/MA to MA/NH
ma.ma114asee.wpt RI/MA to MA/RI
md.md054whi.wpt DE/MD to MD/DE
md.md896.wpt DE/MD to MD/PA
me.me006.wpt QC/ME to ME/NB
me.me009.wpt NH/ME to ME/NB
me.me113fry.wpt NH/ME to ME/NH
me.nh153.wpt NH/ME to ME/NH
mn.mn060.wpt IA/MN to MN/WI
mo.mo005.wpt AR/MO to MO/IA
mo.mo051.wpt AR/MO to MO/IL
mt.mt200.wpt ID/MT to MT/ND
nc.nc049.wpt SC/NC to NC/VA
nd.nd001.wpt SD/ND to ND/MB
nd.nd003.wpt SD/ND to ND/MB
nd.nd005.wpt MT/ND to ND/MN
nd.nd018.wpt SD/ND to ND/MB
nd.nd032.wpt SD/ND to ND/MB
nd.nd1804.wpt SD/ND to MT/ND
nd.nd200.wpt MT/ND to ND/MN
ne.ne014.wpt KS/NE to NE/SD
ne.ne015.wpt KS/NE to NE/SD
ne.ne061.wpt KS/NE to NE/SD
ne.ne071.wpt CO/NE to NE/SD
ne.ne092.wpt WY/NE to NE/IA
nh.me113cha.wpt ME/NH to NH/ME
nh.me113con.wpt ME/NH to NH/ME
nh.nh011.wpt VT/NH to NH/ME
nh.nh012.wpt MA/NH to NH/VT
nh.nh025.wpt VT/NH to NH/ME
nh.nh026.wpt VT/NH to NH/ME
nh.nh119.wpt VT/NH to NH/MA
nh.nh123.wpt MA/NH to NH/VT
nj.nj094.wpt PA/NJ to NJ/NY
nm.nm028can.wpt NM/TX to TX/NM
ny.ny007.wpt PA/NY to NY/VT
ny.ny017.wpt PA/NY to NY/PA
ny.ny017bin.wpt PA/NY to NY/NJ
ny.ny120apur.wpt CT/NY to NY/CT
ny.ny426.wpt PA/NY to NY/PA
ny.ny440.wpt NJ/NY to NY/NJ
ok.ok009.wpt TX/OK to OK/AR
ok.ok023.wpt TX/OK to OK/KS
ok.ok051.wpt TX/OK to OK/AR
ok.ok099.wpt TX/OK to OK/KS
ok.ok136.wpt TX/OK to OK/KS
pa.ny017swa.wpt NY/PA to PA/NY
ri.ri138.wpt CT/RI to RI/MA
sc.sc028.wpt GA/SC to SC/GA
sd.sd034.wpt WY/SD to SD/MN
sd.sd037.wpt NE/SD to SD/ND
sd.sd047.wpt NE/SD to SD/ND
sd.sd073.wpt NE/SD to SD/ND
sd.sd079.wpt NE/SD to SD/ND
tx.nm028.wpt NM/TX to TX/NM
ut.ut030.wpt NV/UT to UT/WY
ut.ut043.wpt WY/UT to UT/WY
va.va016.wpt NC/VA to VA/WV
va.va102.wpt WV/VA to VA/WV
va.va102epo.wpt WV/VA to VA/WV
va.va311cro.wpt WV/VA to VA/WV
vt.vt009.wpt NY/VT to VT/NH
wi.mn023.wpt MN/WI to WI/MN
wi.wi032.wpt IL/WI to WI/MI
wv.wv007.wpt OH/WV to WV/MD
wv.wv009.wpt MD/WV to WV/VA
wv.wv102.wpt VA/WV to WV/VA
wv.wv102poc.wpt VA/WV to WV/VA
wv.wv259.wpt VA/WV to WV/VA
wv.wv311swe.wpt VA/WV to WV/VA
wy.wy089.wpt UT/WY to WY/ID
wy.wy789.wpt CO/WY to WY/MT
If you'd like to see the plots of any of these in Travel Mapping's highway browser, put the part before ".wpt" in a URL like this:
http://tm.teresco.org/devel/hb.php?r=wy.wy789 (http://tm.teresco.org/devel/hb.php?r=wy.wy789)
Hmmm...those states with water boundaries get hosed a little:
NY 14 - PA state line to just about the Lake Ontario shore in Sodus Point
NY 19 - PA state line to the LOSP, just a stones throw from Lake Ontario
PA 18 - WV line to PA 5 just shy of Lake Erie
Minnesota only has one: MN 60, which runs from the Iowa line at Bigelow to the Wisconsin line at Wabasha.
MN 19 (SD border-Red Wing) and MN 210 (ND border-Duluth) come within less than five miles, but their east ends don't reach a border.
MN 43 southbound (WI border-Mabel) ends in the last town before the Iowa border as well.
Michigan has none, because no state highway crosses the Mackinac Bridge, and we don't have any highways that "loop" to touch borders twice.
We do have some that are cross-peninsular, but they technically don't stretch completely across because they don't go from "water to water". They end at whatever highway is closest to the lake.
Close is M-64, which goes from the Wisconsin border to nearly touch Lake Superior. Although at its endpoint in Ontonagon it is maybe 1/2 mile from the water, it comes within just a few feet west of there.
Again, since the thread explicity says 'state highways' it disqualifies CV-121 in Valencian Community in Spain, since it's not a state highway and Spain doesn't have states.
Quote from: GaryV on May 31, 2016, 05:01:11 PM
Michigan has none, because no state highway crosses the Mackinac Bridge, and we don't have any highways that "loop" to touch borders twice.
There are very few in Hawaii as well.
Quote from: Jim on May 31, 2016, 03:26:14 PM
My first thought was that this has to be a pretty big list, so rather than listing a few examples I could come up with, I decided to run a search through the Travel Mapping data for routes in state highway systems that have first and last waypoints of the form "XX/XX", which is what we would normally use to denote state boundaries. Here's what I got. Note that it includes highways that border Canada where the province postal abbreviation was used, and excludes anything that uses a non-standard border waypoint label.
ga.ga025.wpt FL/GA to GA/SC
ga.ga094stg.wpt FL/GA to GA/FL
ga.ga301.wpt AL/GA to GA/AL
Though that's an incomplete list, it tells me that Georgia's in progress now! Hooray! :D :clap: :love:
Back on topic, Georgia has a whole slew of these, thanks in large part to state highways remaining signed along US routes. A (non-exhaustive) listing includes, in addition to the above, 1 (FL-TN), 3 (FL-TN), 4 (FL-SC), 5 (AL-TN), 8 (AL-SC), 11 (FL-NC), 15 (FL-NC), and 28 (one segment SC-SC, another SC-NC).
Kansas has a few north-south ones, but the one most familiar to me is KS-25. I used to live a block away from it in Atwood, and I've driven all 238 miles of it more than once (although the very southern portion from US-56 to the Oklahoma line always seemed like a mistake because OK-136 was in such poor condition back then).
Indiana has two state highways I know of that go border to border and both are roughly in the same region, SR 28 and SR 32. Both begin at the Illinois state line north and south of Danville, Illinois respectfully and both end in the same city, Union City on the Ohio state line, one block apart from each other. In Union City in fact, the two highways switch alignments with SR 32 crossing into Ohio one block north of SR 28 (where in the rest of the state SR 28 is north of SR 32.)
There was another highway, SR 26, but that highway was a casualty of Indiana's apparent need to decommission highways through cities, such as through Lafayette. SR 18 comes close but misses the Ohio state line by several miles and probably the only other road besides some U.S. highways that go nearly across the entire state.
Illinois has a few, but all of then run east-west.
From north to south:
IL-64: starts at the Mississippi River (Savanna), ends at Lake Shore Drive (Lake Michigan).
IL-17: starts at the Mississippi River (New Boston), ends at the Indiana state line (Sherburnville).
IL-9: starts at the Mississippi River (Fort Madison Toll Bridge), ends at the Indiana state line (Cheneyville).
IL-15 comes close, but starts in downtown East Saint Louis.
IL-13 comes close, but starts on IL-15 east of IL-15's start.
IL-146 comes close, but ends at IL-1, just shy of the Cave-In-Rock Ferry.
SR 200 starts near Sandpoint, Idaho and ends at US 2 south of Wawina, MN. It crosses completely across 2 states (Montana and North Dakota).
Then there is also SR 92 that begins south of Torrington, WY and ends in La Moille, IL. It also crosses completely across two states (Nebraska and Iowa).
I wonder if there are any other really long state routes that have the same number across numerous states?
Quote from: US 41 on May 31, 2016, 07:06:08 PM
SR 200 starts near Sandpoint, Idaho and ends at US 2 south of Wawina, MN. It crosses completely across 2 states (Montana and North Dakota).
Then there is also SR 92 that begins south of Torrington, WY and ends in La Moille, IL. It also crosses completely across two states (Nebraska and Iowa).
I wonder if there are any other really long state routes that have the same number across numerous states?
CT/MA/NH/VT 12. We've had this discussion several times.
Quote from: GaryV on May 31, 2016, 05:01:11 PM
Michigan has none, because no state highway crosses the Mackinac Bridge, and we don't have any highways that "loop" to touch borders twice.
Close is M-64, which goes from the Wisconsin border to nearly touch Lake Superior. Although at its endpoint in Ontonagon it is maybe 1/2 mile from the water, it comes within just a few feet west of there.
In the past, M-120 connected to SR 120 in Indiana and SR 120 in Ohio.
Quote from: Jim on May 31, 2016, 03:26:14 PM
My first thought was that this has to be a pretty big list, so rather than listing a few examples I could come up with, I decided to run a search through the Travel Mapping data for routes in state highway systems that have first and last waypoints of the form "XX/XX", which is what we would normally use to denote state boundaries. Here's what I got. Note that it includes highways that border Canada where the province postal abbreviation was used, and excludes anything that uses a non-standard border waypoint label.
ia.ia009.wpt SD/IA to IA/WI
ia.ia027.wpt MO/IA to IA/MN
ia.ia092.wpt NE/IA to IA/IL
ia.ia165.wpt NE/IA to IA/NE
I'm surprised that these are the only ones in Iowa. Even more surprising to me is that there are only 2 "legitimate" examples in my eyes (165 is in Carter Lake, the community west of the Missouri River near Omaha; 27 is just the number they slapped onto the Avenue of the Saints corridor, where all but 10 miles are concurrent with a different route).
There are a few more near-examples: IA-2 goes from the Missouri River to Fort Madison along the southern part of the state. Until
very recently, it went across the Mississippi River to join with IL-9, but apparently the city picked up the maintenance east of the US-61 bypass.
Additionally, IA-3 ends about a mile from the Mississippi in Dubuque.
I'm also kind of surprised that that list only has two for Wisconsin (MN 23 and WI 32). WI 64 comes oooooohhhh so close, though - running between the Minnesota state line at the Stillwater bridge (Saint Croix River) and US 41 in Marinette, WI, only a few short blocks from any of the three local bridges that crosses the Menominee River into Menominee, MI. WI 70 is another 'close, but no cigar' one, running between the Minnesota state line near Grantsburg, WI and US 2/141 in Florence, WI, again very, very close to the Michigan state line.
Mike
NJ 94 (PA-NY)
FL SR 10 goes from a couple blocks from ocean in Atlantic Beach/Neptune Beach to AL state line west of Pensacola.. although it is subservient to US 90 for most of the route
Quote from: jwolfer on June 01, 2016, 11:12:01 AM
FL SR 10 goes from a couple blocks from ocean in Atlantic Beach/Neptune Beach to AL state line west of Pensacola.. although it is subservient to US 90 for most of the route
There is a two-fold problem with counting Florida State Routes as border-to-border. First; there is coastline on three of the state's borders. Secondly almost all the major state routes are mostly just hidden designations for US or Interstate highways. You could say that FL 8 and FL 5 reach border-to-border as well simply because I-10 and US 1 run from the state line to close an ultimate terminus point near a coast or on one. FL 50 probably would have been coast-to-coast to example of a stand alone state route before it was truncated from Bayport to US 19. I guess FL 60 kind of counts since it ends at Clearwater Beach and A1A in Vero Beach.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 01, 2016, 11:18:33 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 01, 2016, 11:12:01 AM
FL SR 10 goes from a couple blocks from ocean in Atlantic Beach/Neptune Beach to AL state line west of Pensacola.. although it is subservient to US 90 for most of the route
There is a two-fold problem with counting Florida State Routes as border-to-border. First; there is coastline on three of the state's borders. Secondly almost all the major state routes are mostly just hidden designations for US or Interstate highways. You could say that FL 8 and FL 5 reach border-to-border as well simply because I-10 and US 1 run from the state line to close an ultimate terminus point near a coast or on one. FL 50 probably would have been coast-to-coast to example of a stand alone state route before it was truncated from Bayport to US 19. I guess FL 60 kind of counts since it ends at Clearwater Beach and A1A in Vero Beach.
The coasts would count as a border in my mind. 60 is probably the best example of an independent SR in the state.
Quote from: jwolfer on June 01, 2016, 11:39:07 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 01, 2016, 11:18:33 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 01, 2016, 11:12:01 AM
FL SR 10 goes from a couple blocks from ocean in Atlantic Beach/Neptune Beach to AL state line west of Pensacola.. although it is subservient to US 90 for most of the route
There is a two-fold problem with counting Florida State Routes as border-to-border. First; there is coastline on three of the state's borders. Secondly almost all the major state routes are mostly just hidden designations for US or Interstate highways. You could say that FL 8 and FL 5 reach border-to-border as well simply because I-10 and US 1 run from the state line to close an ultimate terminus point near a coast or on one. FL 50 probably would have been coast-to-coast to example of a stand alone state route before it was truncated from Bayport to US 19. I guess FL 60 kind of counts since it ends at Clearwater Beach and A1A in Vero Beach.
The coasts would count as a border in my mind. 60 is probably the best example of an independent SR in the state.
40 would have been a nice fit too when the entire route was a State Highway. Everything west of US 41 to Withlacoochee Bay is now county routes numbered 40. At least the number is continues intact between both coasts, the old segment of 50 to Bayport was renumbered CR 550.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 01, 2016, 11:48:18 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 01, 2016, 11:39:07 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 01, 2016, 11:18:33 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 01, 2016, 11:12:01 AM
FL SR 10 goes from a couple blocks from ocean in Atlantic Beach/Neptune Beach to AL state line west of Pensacola.. although it is subservient to US 90 for most of the route
There is a two-fold problem with counting Florida State Routes as border-to-border. First; there is coastline on three of the state's borders. Secondly almost all the major state routes are mostly just hidden designations for US or Interstate highways. You could say that FL 8 and FL 5 reach border-to-border as well simply because I-10 and US 1 run from the state line to close an ultimate terminus point near a coast or on one. FL 50 probably would have been coast-to-coast to example of a stand alone state route before it was truncated from Bayport to US 19. I guess FL 60 kind of counts since it ends at Clearwater Beach and A1A in Vero Beach.
The coasts would count as a border in my mind. 60 is probably the best example of an independent SR in the state.
40 would have been a nice fit too when the entire route was a State Highway. Everything west of US 41 to Withlacoochee Bay is now county routes numbered 40. At least the number is continues intact between both coasts, the old segment of 50 to Bayport was renumbered CR 550.
I don't get why they made it CR 550
Quote from: jwolfer on June 01, 2016, 11:52:13 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 01, 2016, 11:48:18 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 01, 2016, 11:39:07 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 01, 2016, 11:18:33 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 01, 2016, 11:12:01 AM
FL SR 10 goes from a couple blocks from ocean in Atlantic Beach/Neptune Beach to AL state line west of Pensacola.. although it is subservient to US 90 for most of the route
There is a two-fold problem with counting Florida State Routes as border-to-border. First; there is coastline on three of the state's borders. Secondly almost all the major state routes are mostly just hidden designations for US or Interstate highways. You could say that FL 8 and FL 5 reach border-to-border as well simply because I-10 and US 1 run from the state line to close an ultimate terminus point near a coast or on one. FL 50 probably would have been coast-to-coast to example of a stand alone state route before it was truncated from Bayport to US 19. I guess FL 60 kind of counts since it ends at Clearwater Beach and A1A in Vero Beach.
The coasts would count as a border in my mind. 60 is probably the best example of an independent SR in the state.
40 would have been a nice fit too when the entire route was a State Highway. Everything west of US 41 to Withlacoochee Bay is now county routes numbered 40. At least the number is continues intact between both coasts, the old segment of 50 to Bayport was renumbered CR 550.
I don't get why they made it CR 550
Seems like it's a thing in Hernando County. They took the old section of FL 41 and made it CR 541 even though it stays CR 41 in Pasco....same deal with old FL 39 becoming FL 439. I'm thinking they are looking at slotting the old routes into the three digit range since the Hernando portion of old FL 41 falls south of FL 50 and the old section of FL 39 is north of it.
CT has a few N/S that don't qualify because of water (8, 10, 12, 32, plus 104, 123, 124, 137 in the SW corner), but CT 41 runs from the NY border to the MA border (and beyond) in the NW hills of Litchfield County. The only RI route that qualifies is 138 from the CT to MA border. MA includes the same CT water border routes above (which qualify in MA), plus MA 31. If you count silent concurrencies with US 1, MA 1A does. NY 17 used to qualify when it ran from the PA border to the NJ border (excluding the Waverly dip).
Hypothetical question...what about border-to-border state highways that no longer exist from renumbering and states that never had on to begin with? If we're counting anything that might have existed I'm fairly certain there are several in the old Nevada State Highway route log that would qualify. I couldn't ever find a border-to-border state highway that ever existed in Arizona.
Also if we're counting water as a border than CA 299 might qualify for the sake of this discussion terminating a mile or two of water at US 101 and the Nevada state line at old NV8A. CA 78 is really, really close to both the AZ state line in Blythe and the coast at I-5 in Oceanside.
Also...I need some input from a Utah expect since I know there is a signage gap but what about UT 30? I'm fairly it exists technically on I-84 and I-15.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 01, 2016, 11:18:33 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 01, 2016, 11:12:01 AM
FL SR 10 goes from a couple blocks from ocean in Atlantic Beach/Neptune Beach to AL state line west of Pensacola.. although it is subservient to US 90 for most of the route
There is a two-fold problem with counting Florida State Routes as border-to-border. First; there is coastline on three of the state's borders. Secondly almost all the major state routes are mostly just hidden designations for US or Interstate highways. You could say that FL 8 and FL 5 reach border-to-border as well simply because I-10 and US 1 run from the state line to close an ultimate terminus point near a coast or on one. FL 50 probably would have been coast-to-coast to example of a stand alone state route before it was truncated from Bayport to US 19. I guess FL 60 kind of counts since it ends at Clearwater Beach and A1A in Vero Beach.
If you count only land borders with other states, I believe Florida's only qualifier is the eastern segment of SR 2, which turns into GA 94 on both ends.
Quote from: Eth on June 01, 2016, 03:05:46 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 01, 2016, 11:18:33 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 01, 2016, 11:12:01 AM
FL SR 10 goes from a couple blocks from ocean in Atlantic Beach/Neptune Beach to AL state line west of Pensacola.. although it is subservient to US 90 for most of the route
There is a two-fold problem with counting Florida State Routes as border-to-border. First; there is coastline on three of the state's borders. Secondly almost all the major state routes are mostly just hidden designations for US or Interstate highways. You could say that FL 8 and FL 5 reach border-to-border as well simply because I-10 and US 1 run from the state line to close an ultimate terminus point near a coast or on one. FL 50 probably would have been coast-to-coast to example of a stand alone state route before it was truncated from Bayport to US 19. I guess FL 60 kind of counts since it ends at Clearwater Beach and A1A in Vero Beach.
If you count only land borders with other states, I believe Florida's only qualifier is the eastern segment of SR 2, which turns into GA 94 on both ends.
I'll have to look in a minute after lunch but I just thought of GA 121 crossing from Florida to South Carolina.
Edit: You're right about FL 2 in the Okefenokee Swamp but GA 94 technically is also Florida Border-to-Florida Border as well since it looks like it continues east of St. George to CR 2 on the Florida side.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on June 01, 2016, 12:00:43 PM
CT has a few N/S that don't qualify because of water (8, 10, 12, 32, plus 104, 123, 124, 137 in the SW corner), but CT 41 runs from the NY border to the MA border (and beyond) in the NW hills of Litchfield County. The only RI route that qualifies is 138 from the CT to MA border. MA includes the same CT water border routes above (which qualify in MA), plus MA 31. If you count silent concurrencies with US 1, MA 1A does. NY 17 used to qualify when it ran from the PA border to the NJ border (excluding the Waverly dip).
NY 17 still counts. It still goes all the way.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 01, 2016, 12:13:11 PM
Hypothetical question...what about border-to-border state highways that no longer exist from renumbering and states that never had on to begin with? If we're counting anything that might have existed I'm fairly certain there are several in the old Nevada State Highway route log that would qualify. I couldn't ever find a border-to-border state highway that ever existed in Arizona.
You mean like Illinois 8, that basically followed the routes of US-34, current IL-8, and US-24 across the entire state before the US routes came along?
Quote from: pianocello on June 01, 2016, 03:51:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 01, 2016, 12:13:11 PM
Hypothetical question...what about border-to-border state highways that no longer exist from renumbering and states that never had on to begin with? If we're counting anything that might have existed I'm fairly certain there are several in the old Nevada State Highway route log that would qualify. I couldn't ever find a border-to-border state highway that ever existed in Arizona.
You mean like Illinois 8, that basically followed the routes of US-34, current IL-8, and US-24 across the entire state before the US routes came along?
Yes routes like that...another example being Nevada State Route 1. It could be just even run of the mill state highways that were decomissioned or renumbered over time into multiple routes.
What about all the unsigned state routes in Alabama and Georgia that go from border to border by running concurrent on US Highways? Do they count?
Quote from: US 41 on June 01, 2016, 07:02:23 PM
What about all the unsigned state routes in Alabama and Georgia that go from border to border by running concurrent on US Highways? Do they count?
I tend to view them as the same as the hidden designations in Florida hence why I picked GA 121 since it's part of a three state route.
Okay what about a segment of the good old proposed US 789 with WY 789 since it crosses from Montana to Colorado border-to-border.
Quote from: pianocello on May 31, 2016, 08:25:06 PM
I'm surprised that these are the only ones in Iowa. Even more surprising to me is that there are only 2 "legitimate" examples in my eyes (165 is in Carter Lake, the community west of the Missouri River near Omaha; 27 is just the number they slapped onto the Avenue of the Saints corridor, where all but 10 miles are concurrent with a different route).
Indeed, a lot of the examples in the TM list end at the same border twice (e.g. IA 165) or exist in a corner of a state and end at two perpendicular borders (e.g. CT 41). Routes which legitimately span the entire width or height of a state and end a two
opposing borders are less common. Topologically speaking even OK 3 doesn't technically qualify for that on account of it originating at the border with CO rather than NM.
The fact that OK 3 is entirely redundant with various US highways west of Watonga also makes me turn a hairy eyeball at it, though I suppose we have US 412's creaton to blame for that.
The only state highway that goes border to border in Wisconsin is Wis 32 and that was purposely made to travel border to border to honor the 32nd Red Arrow Division. There is a long concurrency with US 45 to the Michigan State Line just for that honor. Wis 35, Wis 64, Wis 70, and Wis 77 fall short just shy of the 2nd border.
Can we count route 9 in Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont?
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on June 02, 2016, 12:24:10 AM
Can we count route 9 in Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont?
Sure. And add Routes 11, 12, 25, 26, 119, and 123 in NH, and (for all intents and purposes) 11 in ME. If you really want to get technical, add ME 113 (twice) and ME 113B in NH
Quote from: Jim on May 31, 2016, 03:26:14 PM
My first thought was that this has to be a pretty big list, so rather than listing a few examples I could come up with, I decided to run a search through the Travel Mapping data for routes in state highway systems that have first and last waypoints of the form "XX/XX", which is what we would normally use to denote state boundaries. Here's what I got. Note that it includes highways that border Canada where the province postal abbreviation was used, and excludes anything that uses a non-standard border waypoint label.
az.az095bul.wpt CA/AZ to AZ/NV
ca.ca266.wpt NV/CA to CA/NV
co.wy070.wpt WY/CO to CO/WY
ct.ct041.wpt NY/CT to CT/MA
ct.ny120agre.wpt NY/CT to CT/NY
ct.ny120ariv.wpt NY/CT to CT/NY
de.de054del.wpt MD/DE to DE/MD
fl.fl002oke.wpt GA/FL to FL/GA
ga.ga025.wpt FL/GA to GA/SC
ga.ga094stg.wpt FL/GA to GA/FL
ga.ga301.wpt AL/GA to GA/AL
ia.ia009.wpt SD/IA to IA/WI
ia.ia027.wpt MO/IA to IA/MN
ia.ia092.wpt NE/IA to IA/IL
ia.ia165.wpt NE/IA to IA/NE
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ma.ma032.wpt CT/MA to MA/NH
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md.md896.wpt DE/MD to MD/PA
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These are interesting: state A's highway extending inside state B. (There's probably a regex for this but I can't think of it right now). Any other borrowed highways that don't touch two state lines?
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pa.ny017swa.wpt NY/PA to PA/NY
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CT 138/RI 138/MA 138
CT 10/MA 10/NH 10
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PA 29/NY 7/VT 9
Quote from: peterj920 on June 01, 2016, 11:20:10 PM
The only state highway that goes border to border in Wisconsin is Wis 32 and that was purposely made to travel border to border to honor the 32nd Red Arrow Division. There is a long concurrency with US 45 to the Michigan State Line just for that honor. Wis 35, Wis 64, Wis 70, and Wis 77 fall short just shy of the 2nd border.
Also MN 23 in the Superior area.
Mike
Quote from: US 41 on June 01, 2016, 07:02:23 PM
What about all the unsigned state routes in Alabama and Georgia that go from border to border by running concurrent on US Highways? Do they count?
They're (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.055465,-84.8056498,3a,75y,46.21h,74.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saaq6jkUEUseOxQeJaK8vXA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) fully (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.049958,-84.6997681,3a,75y,264.09h,88.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siuTFGY-RVn67g-byQxic0A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) signed (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.9029513,-84.5383955,3a,75y,91.39h,89.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sA0Lmzib_sBmlXMwtLi1YSg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) in (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5479042,-82.8699214,3a,37.5y,99.31h,85.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfmc9LERQeot_3HJ77btZBA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) Georgia (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.8383524,-82.0069134,3a,75y,89.63h,85.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s20U2sJ43ROjy-_2LwNDLjg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), so I would argue that they count. Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee, not so much.
Quote from: Eth on June 02, 2016, 06:04:07 PM
Quote from: US 41 on June 01, 2016, 07:02:23 PM
What about all the unsigned state routes in Alabama and Georgia that go from border to border by running concurrent on US Highways? Do they count?
They're (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.055465,-84.8056498,3a,75y,46.21h,74.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saaq6jkUEUseOxQeJaK8vXA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) fully (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.049958,-84.6997681,3a,75y,264.09h,88.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siuTFGY-RVn67g-byQxic0A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) signed (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.9029513,-84.5383955,3a,75y,91.39h,89.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sA0Lmzib_sBmlXMwtLi1YSg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) in (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5479042,-82.8699214,3a,37.5y,99.31h,85.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfmc9LERQeot_3HJ77btZBA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) Georgia (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.8383524,-82.0069134,3a,75y,89.63h,85.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s20U2sJ43ROjy-_2LwNDLjg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), so I would argue that they count. Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee, not so much.
AL-10 goes from Mississippi to Georgia with only the section from Luverne to Brundidge concurrent with US-331, US-29, and US-231.
There's also AL-117 which goes from Tennessee to Georgia in the northeast corner with only a couple hundred feet on US-11.
Quote from: Eth on June 02, 2016, 06:04:07 PM
Quote from: US 41 on June 01, 2016, 07:02:23 PM
What about all the unsigned state routes in Alabama and Georgia that go from border to border by running concurrent on US Highways? Do they count?
They're (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.055465,-84.8056498,3a,75y,46.21h,74.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saaq6jkUEUseOxQeJaK8vXA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) fully (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.049958,-84.6997681,3a,75y,264.09h,88.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siuTFGY-RVn67g-byQxic0A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) signed (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.9029513,-84.5383955,3a,75y,91.39h,89.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sA0Lmzib_sBmlXMwtLi1YSg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) in (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5479042,-82.8699214,3a,37.5y,99.31h,85.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfmc9LERQeot_3HJ77btZBA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) Georgia (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.8383524,-82.0069134,3a,75y,89.63h,85.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s20U2sJ43ROjy-_2LwNDLjg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), so I would argue that they count. Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee, not so much.
The "Georgia (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.8383524,-82.0069134,3a,75y,89.63h,85.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s20U2sJ43ROjy-_2LwNDLjg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)" example is literally ridiculous. I've actually been there and I remember this sign. I still find it funny that there are so many highways running concurrently in that one spot. I also remember some pointless turn lanes along there that went no where but into the swamps.
Quote from: Eth on June 01, 2016, 03:05:46 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 01, 2016, 11:18:33 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 01, 2016, 11:12:01 AM
FL SR 10 goes from a couple blocks from ocean in Atlantic Beach/Neptune Beach to AL state line west of Pensacola.. although it is subservient to US 90 for most of the route
There is a two-fold problem with counting Florida State Routes as border-to-border. First; there is coastline on three of the state's borders. Secondly almost all the major state routes are mostly just hidden designations for US or Interstate highways. You could say that FL 8 and FL 5 reach border-to-border as well simply because I-10 and US 1 run from the state line to close an ultimate terminus point near a coast or on one. FL 50 probably would have been coast-to-coast to example of a stand alone state route before it was truncated from Bayport to US 19. I guess FL 60 kind of counts since it ends at Clearwater Beach and A1A in Vero Beach.
If you count only land borders with other states, I believe Florida's only qualifier is the eastern segment of SR 2, which turns into GA 94 on both ends.
SR 2 in Florida becomes SR 91 at the Chattahoochee River crossing. I've driven that route to Donalsonville way too many times. If we're including heavily multiplexed roads, AL 53 would qualify; it starts at the Florida border with SR 71 near Malone, heads toward Dothan and you don't see it again as a standalone until you get to Huntsville, where it becomes TN 7.
I checked Louisiana, and it has zero examples due to having rivers on the western border and both eastern borders, as well as the Gulf on the south. About the closest thing it has to a border to border highway that isn't an Interstate or US highway is LA 1, which starts at a dead end literally feet from the Gulf, and runs north and west to near the Ark-La-Tex tripoint.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 01, 2016, 03:55:56 PM
Quote from: pianocello on June 01, 2016, 03:51:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 01, 2016, 12:13:11 PM
Hypothetical question...what about border-to-border state highways that no longer exist from renumbering and states that never had on to begin with? If we're counting anything that might have existed I'm fairly certain there are several in the old Nevada State Highway route log that would qualify. I couldn't ever find a border-to-border state highway that ever existed in Arizona.
You mean like Illinois 8, that basically followed the routes of US-34, current IL-8, and US-24 across the entire state before the US routes came along?
Yes routes like that...another example being Nevada State Route 1. It could be just even run of the mill state highways that were decomissioned or renumbered over time into multiple routes.
Nevada has no current examples, due to no state route overlaps and state route numbers being assigned mostly by county clustering.
In the pre-1976 numbering, there only two border-to-border examples that come to mind:
- State Route 1 (later US 40, now the I-80 corridor): CA to UT
- State Route 6 (later US 91, now the I-15 corridor): CA to AZ - although this one is border-to-border, it only clips the southern tip of the state.
Another one you could potentially count was State Route 3, which went on a circuitous ~330-mile route from CA (via US 50 at Lake Tahoe) through west-central Nevada back to CA (via today's SR 266).
EDIT: Realized 10 days later that I didn't complete my thought...added in SR 6.
Quote from: DeaconG on June 04, 2016, 03:25:11 PM
SR 2 in Florida becomes SR 91 at the Chattahoochee River crossing. I've driven that route to Donalsonville way too many times. If we're including heavily multiplexed roads, AL 53 would qualify; it starts at the Florida border with SR 71 near Malone, heads toward Dothan and you don't see it again as a standalone until you get to Huntsville, where it becomes TN 7.
I would also include AL 9, which is a standalone highway from the Georgia border to Wetumpka. Then it's absorbed into US 231 then US 331 down to the Florida line. There is also WYO 789 from Colorado to Montana that is fully signed even along the US routes.
Too bad Florida is out due to it being surrounded by water on three sides :bigass:
Quote from: roadman65 on June 24, 2016, 09:04:00 AM
Too bad Florida is out due to it being surrounded by water on three sides :bigass:
There could be one that goes east/west from the Alabama border to the Georgia border.
The segment of FL 2 between the two GA segments of GA 94 I guess it could really count.
Quote from: roadman65 on June 24, 2016, 01:33:16 PM
The segment of FL 2 between the two GA segments of GA 94 I guess it could really count.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160625%2Fca13995201ec52adeb42c492e1d71737.jpg&hash=39690ebb0bd65a5c5adf71a3aea42f25298f1490)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160625%2Fdd30af3c56d81945aa415722ca932ff1.jpg&hash=4bb825b9ba8806dee47b9455308932a1aafe4975)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160625%2Fd9e0bd341a97af83223eed0964fabcfa.jpg&hash=67a1491b5613fe31a0ef451263a7599ef90f1aa3)
A few pics at the western end of the eastern leg of FL SR 2
Clinch County -- sounds like an appropriate place to finish visiting every county in the state of Georgia. :bigass: