Seeing that it was brought up in the Upstate New York thread and there's several threads going...
For me, North Jersey is anything north and east of I-287 up to I-80, then I-80 west to the Delaware River. South Jersey is anything south of I-195/NJ 29. Everything in between is Central Jersey.
North Jersey is anywhere that identifies directly with NYC. The dividing line between central and north Jersey is pretty much the dividing line where Philadelphia FM stations stop coming in and Wawa and Tastykakes disappear. The central and south Jersey line is the dividing line between New York and Philly sports allegiances.
For me, Central Jersey is anything right along I-195; basically the crease in the Rand McNally map. Allentown, NJ...Great Adventure, something like that. Anything below is South Jersey; anything above is North Jersey.
North of I-78 and Northeast of I-287 is North Jersey; South of I-78, Southwest of I-287 and north of I-195 is Central Jersey; South of I-195 is South Jersey.
I definitely feel like I'm in Central Jersey.
NJ.com had a fluff piece last week on the North-South divide, generally (using arbitrary measures) concluding that the boundary follows the Keith Line, the boundary between the former 17th- and 18th-century colonies of East Jersey and West Jersey.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2016/06/why_nj_could_should_be_two_separate_states.html
The most meaningful measure, the Taylor Ham line, is clearly between North and Central Jersey. Then again, some people call Central Jersey a fiction, and that the Raritan or some such line divides the state. I can't accept any definition that calls any part of Warren or Hunterdon County "South Jersey," but culturally it may have more in common with the South, so the compromise is Central Jersey.
I lived in NJ for 25 years, we defined Clark where I grew up as North Central, NJ. We considered North Jersey to be Essex County and northward. Central Jersey was anywhere south of New Brunswick down to about Bordentown.
However ask Serena, a local bartender in Orlando, who is from Vineland area and she says Toms River is North Jersey, even though we consider it South.
Too bad we could not be like Delaware, with only three counties, its easy to separate North, Central, and South by the county borders in that state. :bigass:
I grew up in Ocean County many generations on my dad's side. I consider it South Jersey however many consider it Central or even North( which is funny coming from someone from Mt Holly, he did not realize Toms River is south of him) Like Florida, Ocean County is full of transplants from northern New Jersey so they brought their allegiance to the Giants vis a vis the Eagles.( I finally got to use vis a vis) but there is a Phillies minor league team in Lakewood, so there is a growing allegiances to the Phillies.
As for pork roll/Taylor ham.. it's definitely pork roll
We had Wawa so hoagie is used but sub is more common. Although in Elementary school we had hoagies on the lunch menu
Officially Ocean County is part of NYC metro area and media market, but Philadelphia radio comes in as well as NYC. We had both Philadelphia and NYC stations on cable. WPVI channel 6 out of Philly give Ocean County the best coverage.
It's actually closer to center city Philadelphia than Manhattan but the transportation infrastructure links to north better than west. GSP, us9, railroad all go north.. the direct link to Philadelphia is route 70, a 2 lane road through the Pine Barrens.. that has as much chance of upgrade as the Somerset freeway
The shape of the state allows for a quick division. Draw a line through the narrowest part of the state (i.e. Trenton to the Amboys). Anything North of the line is North (New) Jersey. Anything South of the line is South (New) Jersey. I don't define Central (New) Jersey. Then there's just plain Jersey, one of the Channel islands off the French coast but a Crown Dependency of the UK.
Just to echo others' thoughts: While I won't blindly trust navigation systems, they can be an extremely useful tool, especially when linked with real-time traffic data.
During just about every long-distance drive I've done in the past couple of years I've had my navigation tool du jour identify a traffic situation (accident, construction delay, etc.) and propose an alternate route I likely would have been unaware of without a study of more detailed maps than I would be unlikely to carry or inspect while underway.
And then there's the amusement factor. I'm writing this from a hotel in Montréal. Yesterday I was both amused and disturbed by hearing English TTS mangling French road names worse than I do on my own. :)
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on June 13, 2016, 08:25:18 AM
Just to echo others' thoughts: While I won't blindly trust navigation systems, they can be an extremely useful tool, especially when linked with real-time traffic data.
During just about every long-distance drive I've done in the past couple of years I've had my navigation tool du jour identify a traffic situation (accident, construction delay, etc.) and propose an alternate route I likely would have been unaware of without a study of more detailed maps than I would be unlikely to carry or inspect while underway.
And then there's the amusement factor. I'm writing this from a hotel in Montréal. Yesterday I was both amused and disturbed by hearing English TTS mangling French road names worse than I do on my own. :)
Wrong thread?
Quote from: roadman65 on June 13, 2016, 12:31:00 AM
However ask Serena, a local bartender in Orlando, who is from Vineland area and she says Toms River is North Jersey, even though we consider it South.
I've heard a few people from Vineland refer to Deptford and Camden as North Jersey. If they made the comment on Facebook, they were roundly criticized, but that just goes to show that it doesn't take much for some people to consider North Jersey as anything north of them!
Quote from: 1 on June 13, 2016, 08:29:50 AM
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on June 13, 2016, 08:25:18 AM
Just to echo others' thoughts: While I won't blindly trust navigation systems, they can be an extremely useful tool, especially when linked with real-time traffic data.
During just about every long-distance drive I've done in the past couple of years I've had my navigation tool du jour identify a traffic situation (accident, construction delay, etc.) and propose an alternate route I likely would have been unaware of without a study of more detailed maps than I would be unlikely to carry or inspect while underway.
And then there's the amusement factor. I'm writing this from a hotel in Montréal. Yesterday I was both amused and disturbed by hearing English TTS mangling French road names worse than I do on my own. :)
Wrong thread?
He asked his GPS for directions on where to put his reply.
When people find out that I did my graduate work at Princeton, people from near New York tell me, "You know that Princeton is in South Jersey, right?," whereas people from near Philadelphia tell me, "You know that Princeton is in North Jersey, right?"
78 & north is North; 195 to 78 is Central; 195 south is South for me.
Quote from: jwolfer on June 13, 2016, 12:46:01 AM
I grew up in Ocean County many generations on my dad's side. I consider it South Jersey however many consider it Central or even North( which is funny coming from someone from Mt Holly, he did not realize Toms River is south of him) Like Florida, Ocean County is full of transplants from northern New Jersey so they brought their allegiance to the Giants vis a vis the Eagles.( I finally got to use vis a vis) but there is a Phillies minor league team in Lakewood, so there is a growing allegiances to the Phillies.
As for pork roll/Taylor ham.. it's definitely pork roll
We had Wawa so hoagie is used but sub is more common. Although in Elementary school we had hoagies on the lunch menu
Officially Ocean County is part of NYC metro area and media market, but Philadelphia radio comes in as well as NYC. We had both Philadelphia and NYC stations on cable. WPVI channel 6 out of Philly give Ocean County the best coverage.
It's actually closer to center city Philadelphia than Manhattan but the transportation infrastructure links to north better than west. GSP, us9, railroad all go north.. the direct link to Philadelphia is route 70, a 2 lane road through the Pine Barrens.. that has as much chance of upgrade as the Somerset freeway
Thank God I can still get Eagles games out here in Ocean County (and finally for the last couple of years in HD). I'm on the line with broadcast stations, so I get both sets but I worry the scales will tip toward New York. Coming from the Philadelphia suburbs, I need my Philly TV fix and just having my ringtone play the Action News theme won't be enough. I think of generally 195 to the Raritan as Central Jersey, with some overlap. Unfortunately, they've started to get me saying "sub" around here.
Route 70 is my lifeline to the old neighborhood, and I still use it fairly regularly over 195 ("the long way 'round"). The Marlton Circle removal for the overpass was much appreciated.
South Jersey is exits 1-7A. Central Jersey is exits 7A-9. North Jersey is exits 9-18.
:bigass:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwesj.org%2Fimg%2Fgiantseagles.png&hash=13fe05ae30e0d3968dabadd2aaa07b0cbc7e6eb8)
:bigass:
(via The 2014 Twitter NFL Fan Map (https://blog.twitter.com/2014/nfl-fan-map-where-are-your-team-s-followers))
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on June 13, 2016, 09:34:04 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 13, 2016, 12:46:01 AM
I grew up in Ocean County many generations on my dad's side. I consider it South Jersey however many consider it Central or even North( which is funny coming from someone from Mt Holly, he did not realize Toms River is south of him) Like Florida, Ocean County is full of transplants from northern New Jersey so they brought their allegiance to the Giants vis a vis the Eagles.( I finally got to use vis a vis) but there is a Phillies minor league team in Lakewood, so there is a growing allegiances to the Phillies.
As for pork roll/Taylor ham.. it's definitely pork roll
We had Wawa so hoagie is used but sub is more common. Although in Elementary school we had hoagies on the lunch menu
Officially Ocean County is part of NYC metro area and media market, but Philadelphia radio comes in as well as NYC. We had both Philadelphia and NYC stations on cable. WPVI channel 6 out of Philly give Ocean County the best coverage.
It's actually closer to center city Philadelphia than Manhattan but the transportation infrastructure links to north better than west. GSP, us9, railroad all go north.. the direct link to Philadelphia is route 70, a 2 lane road through the Pine Barrens.. that has as much chance of upgrade as the Somerset freeway
Thank God I can still get Eagles games out here in Ocean County (and finally for the last couple of years in HD). I'm on the line with broadcast stations, so I get both sets but I worry the scales will tip toward New York. Coming from the Philadelphia suburbs, I need my Philly TV fix and just having my ringtone play the Action News theme won't be enough. I think of generally 195 to the Raritan as Central Jersey, with some overlap. Unfortunately, they've started to get me saying "sub" around here.
Route 70 is my lifeline to the old neighborhood, and I still use it fairly regularly over 195 ("the long way 'round"). The Marlton Circle removal for the overpass was much appreciated.
My dad always took route 70. When I was real little i remember 195 ending at a stop sign at CR 527. That had to be 1975, roadgeek memories LOL.
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"Move closer to your world my friend..." the Action News song says news to me
I don't know if you are old enough to remember.. "the kids choice in Philadelphia. Channel 48"
Quote from: jwolfer on June 13, 2016, 11:32:49 PM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on June 13, 2016, 09:34:04 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 13, 2016, 12:46:01 AM
I grew up in Ocean County many generations on my dad's side. I consider it South Jersey however many consider it Central or even North( which is funny coming from someone from Mt Holly, he did not realize Toms River is south of him) Like Florida, Ocean County is full of transplants from northern New Jersey so they brought their allegiance to the Giants vis a vis the Eagles.( I finally got to use vis a vis) but there is a Phillies minor league team in Lakewood, so there is a growing allegiances to the Phillies.
As for pork roll/Taylor ham.. it's definitely pork roll
We had Wawa so hoagie is used but sub is more common. Although in Elementary school we had hoagies on the lunch menu
Officially Ocean County is part of NYC metro area and media market, but Philadelphia radio comes in as well as NYC. We had both Philadelphia and NYC stations on cable. WPVI channel 6 out of Philly give Ocean County the best coverage.
It's actually closer to center city Philadelphia than Manhattan but the transportation infrastructure links to north better than west. GSP, us9, railroad all go north.. the direct link to Philadelphia is route 70, a 2 lane road through the Pine Barrens.. that has as much chance of upgrade as the Somerset freeway
Thank God I can still get Eagles games out here in Ocean County (and finally for the last couple of years in HD). I'm on the line with broadcast stations, so I get both sets but I worry the scales will tip toward New York. Coming from the Philadelphia suburbs, I need my Philly TV fix and just having my ringtone play the Action News theme won't be enough. I think of generally 195 to the Raritan as Central Jersey, with some overlap. Unfortunately, they've started to get me saying "sub" around here.
Route 70 is my lifeline to the old neighborhood, and I still use it fairly regularly over 195 ("the long way 'round"). The Marlton Circle removal for the overpass was much appreciated.
My dad always took route 70. When I was real little i remember 195 ending at a stop sign at CR 527. That had to be 1975, roadgeek memories LOL.
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"Move closer to your world my friend..." the Action News song says news to me
I don't know if you are old enough to remember.. "the kids choice in Philadelphia. Channel 48"
I remember the channel 48 (WKBS) song from the brief time it was on in North Jersey cable in the early 1980s. It was replaced by WSBK 38 from Boston at some point.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on June 14, 2016, 06:23:12 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 13, 2016, 11:32:49 PM
I don't know if you are old enough to remember.. "the kids choice in Philadelphia. Channel 48"
I remember the channel 48 (WKBS) song from the brief time it was on in North Jersey cable in the early 1980s. It was replaced by WSBK 38 from Boston at some point.
I remember watching Woody Woodpecker on 48, and maybe Mighty Mouse as well. 17 and 29 were always the biggies in Philly UHF, and had the better cartoons (couldn't get enough of Tom and Jerry). My folks were very late to the cable game, and since we were right across the river and the rabbit ears worked well enough for them, I got to choose from the big eight of 3/6/10/12/17/23/29/57 well into my teenage years (not gonna count the Home Shopping Network on 65!). Anyone remember when 57 had the scrambled pay sports/movie channel "Prism"? On my little TV in those days, I liked to see what channels I could pick up late at night (Baltimore 54, WLIW 21 in Long Island...).
I lived in the coast.. sometimes channel 8 from New Haven CT and channel 16 from Salisbury MD would come in sometimes
I grew up in Clifton, so my original picture of NJ was northern-skewed, e.g., considering places like New Brunswick as "South Jersey". But after having attended Rutgers, and in more recent years, living in the southern half of Somerset County, I've changed my definition such that I-78 (or really the 78/287/440 combo) separates North from Central and I-195 separates Central from South.
North Jersey is north of I-78. Central Jersey is between I-78 and NJ-70 or NJ-72 depending on which one of those routes is further south. South Jersey is NJ-70 or NJ-72 to Cape May.
Alternatively, North Jersey is north of I-195 and South Jersey is south of I-195, and that would make I-195 Central Jersey.
Apart from my definitions of North and South Jersey I've also defined Upper and Lower (parts of a) Jersey, with the extent of the ribs marking the border :bigass:.
This will be a long and heated debate
LGMS428
South Jersey: South of the ACE
Central Jersey: ACE to New Brunswick/The Amboys, across the state
North Jersey: The Amboys/New Brunswick to the New York State Line and tripoint
This puts the Philadelphia suburbs in Central Jersey... Very Cape May definition
LGMS428
South Jersey: exits 1-9
North Jersey: exits 10-18
Quote from: Duke87 on November 29, 2016, 06:44:43 PM
South Jersey: exits 1-9
North Jersey: exits 10-18
What about the areas that are nowhere near the Turnpike?
Quote from: jwolfer on November 28, 2016, 07:46:59 PM
This puts the Philadelphia suburbs in Central Jersey... Very Cape May definition
LGMS428
It puts them in South/Central. I'd say the Philly suburbs would be Central NJ (and the Trenton area), because South Jersey is really rural aside from the coast, because of the Pine Barrens. Not to make South Jersey members feel bad.
I grew up in Ocean County and i consider it South Jersey.. However many people consider it Central Jersey becaise of nyc influence and i can understand.. But Philly suburbs are the center of South Jersey
LGMS428
Quote from: noelbotevera on November 29, 2016, 07:05:23 PM
It puts them in South/Central. I'd say the Philly suburbs would be Central NJ (and the Trenton area), because South Jersey is really rural aside from the coast, because of the Pine Barrens. Not to make South Jersey members feel bad.
Grew up in NNJ....migrated to CNJ, but I love the Pineys amd rural SNJ.
Quote from: 1 on November 29, 2016, 06:51:50 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on November 29, 2016, 06:44:43 PM
South Jersey: exits 1-9
North Jersey: exits 10-18
What about the areas that are nowhere near the Turnpike?
Whoosh
Quote from: 1 on November 29, 2016, 06:51:50 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on November 29, 2016, 06:44:43 PM
South Jersey: exits 1-9
North Jersey: exits 10-18
What about the areas that are nowhere near the Turnpike?
I just drew a line exactly halfway between exits 9-10 perpendicular to the Turnpike and extended it to the state border. This may not be what was intended, though; it puts parts of I-287, I-78, and even I-80 in "South Jersey" (if extended further west, the area south of the line would include most of PA, part of NY, part of Ontario, most of MI, all of British Columbia, and almost all of both the Yukon and Alaska; the vast majority of Africa, as well as all of Australia, meanwhile, would be north of the line). I'll post a screenshot later if I remember.
I would probably define them like this:
-North: I-78/I-287/NJ 440 - NY
-Central: I-195 - I-78/I-287/NJ 440
-South: Delaware Bay - I-195
This has the virtue of mostly lining up with the Central NJ and NYC meets.
Quote from: noelbotevera on November 29, 2016, 07:05:23 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on November 28, 2016, 07:46:59 PM
This puts the Philadelphia suburbs in Central Jersey... Very Cape May definition
LGMS428
It puts them in South/Central. I'd say the Philly suburbs would be Central NJ (and the Trenton area), because South Jersey is really rural aside from the coast, because of the Pine Barrens. Not to make South Jersey members feel bad.
Yeah...us people that sit in 10-15 mile jams on 295 on a daily basis will disagree with that statement!
In a firefighting fb group I'm a member of, a firefighter from Millville, NJ tried saying Deptford (SE of Philly) was North Jersey. That touched off a heated, one-sided debate against the firefighter's definition of North Jersey!
The whole 'Central Jersey' thing is relatively new, imo. It used to be simply North/South Jersey. Central Jersey kinda grew from those that think South Jersey extends to the 195/Burlington & Ocean County border, and those that believe New Brunswick is the defining line between the two.
Quote from: vdeane on November 30, 2016, 02:07:51 PM
Quote from: 1 on November 29, 2016, 06:51:50 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on November 29, 2016, 06:44:43 PM
South Jersey: exits 1-9
North Jersey: exits 10-18
What about the areas that are nowhere near the Turnpike?
I just drew a line exactly halfway between exits 9-10 perpendicular to the Turnpike and extended it to the state border. This may not be what was intended, though; it puts parts of I-287, I-78, and even I-80 in "South Jersey" (if extended further west, the area south of the line would include most of PA, part of NY, part of Ontario, most of MI, all of British Columbia, and almost all of both the Yukon and Alaska; the vast majority of Africa, as well as all of Australia, meanwhile, would be north of the line). I'll post a screenshot later if I remember.
I would probably define them like this:
-North: I-78/I-287/NJ 440 - NY
-Central: I-195 - I-78/I-287/NJ 440
-South: Delaware Bay - I-195
This has the virtue of mostly lining up with the Central NJ and NYC meets.
Here it is:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nysroads.com%2Ffiles%2Faaroads%2Fsouth-north-jersey.PNG&hash=d37b46139855edf819e9323a048539c78647252e)
Quote from: spitball on November 29, 2016, 08:43:25 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on November 29, 2016, 07:05:23 PM
It puts them in South/Central. I'd say the Philly suburbs would be Central NJ (and the Trenton area), because South Jersey is really rural aside from the coast, because of the Pine Barrens. Not to make South Jersey members feel bad.
Grew up in NNJ....migrated to CNJ, but I love the Pineys amd rural SNJ.
The heart of the Pine Barrens is directly east of center city Philadelphia, as is Toms River
LGMS428
South Jersey starts south of a line from Exit 6 to Toms River.
North Jersey starts north of a line from Lambertville to Perth Amboy.
If you don't believe in Central Jersey, the dividing line is 195.
Quote from: TXtoNJ on December 01, 2016, 02:14:25 PM
If you don't believe in Central Jersey, the dividing line is 195.
Makes me nostalgic for the days of haviong only two area codes: 201 for North Jersey and 609 for South Jersey
Quote from: vdeane on November 30, 2016, 02:07:51 PM
I just drew a line exactly halfway between exits 9-10 perpendicular to the Turnpike and extended it to the state border. This may not be what was intended
It isn't.
I was making a snarky jab at New Jersey based on the old "what exit?" joke. There is no intended way to extend this to areas not near the Turnpike.
For someone who is not a resident of New Jersey, I-78 and then I-287/NJ 440 to the Outerbridge would be a good dividing line between North and Central Jersey. I-195 serves as a good dividing line between Central and South Jersey for the most part. But as someone who has explored NJ quite a bit, it seems to be that Central Jersey does annex area along the Garden State Parkway corridor as far south as Toms River.
Quote from: Duke87 on December 01, 2016, 09:25:33 PM
Quote from: vdeane on November 30, 2016, 02:07:51 PM
I just drew a line exactly halfway between exits 9-10 perpendicular to the Turnpike and extended it to the state border. This may not be what was intended
It isn't.
I was making a snarky jab at New Jersey based on the old "what exit?" joke. There is no intended way to extend this to areas not near the Turnpike.
I figured. Still, it was interesting to see what that would mean. Of course, "parallel to the equator" would have made more sense than "perpendicular to the Turnpike at that exact location", and the former is roughly what seems to divide North Jersey from everything else in my head.
Quote from: Duke87 on December 01, 2016, 09:25:33 PM
Quote from: vdeane on November 30, 2016, 02:07:51 PM
I just drew a line exactly halfway between exits 9-10 perpendicular to the Turnpike and extended it to the state border. This may not be what was intended
It isn't.
I was making a snarky jab at New Jersey based on the old "what exit?" joke. There is no intended way to extend this to areas not near the Turnpike.
Heh. There used to be a Southern humor website called yall.com (that domain now hosts something different) that had a supposed New Jersey driver's license application that included blanks for the following sorts of data:
Name
Street address
City, State ZIP code
Exit number
Type of car driven (check one):
Mustang
Corvette
Camaro
Chevette (you got a f&%*in' problem widdat?)
Thickness of gold chains around license plate
Favorite sports team:
F'in Yankees
F'in Mets
F'in Giants
F'in Jets
etc. (I don't remember the rest of it)
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 02, 2016, 01:28:12 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on December 01, 2016, 09:25:33 PM
Quote from: vdeane on November 30, 2016, 02:07:51 PM
I just drew a line exactly halfway between exits 9-10 perpendicular to the Turnpike and extended it to the state border. This may not be what was intended
It isn't.
I was making a snarky jab at New Jersey based on the old "what exit?" joke. There is no intended way to extend this to areas not near the Turnpike.
Heh. There used to be a Southern humor website called yall.com (that domain now hosts something different) that had a supposed New Jersey driver's license application that included blanks for the following sorts of data:
Name
Street address
City, State ZIP code
Exit number
Type of car driven (check one):
Mustang
Corvette
Camaro
Chevette (you got a f&%*in' problem widdat?)
Thickness of gold chains around license plate
Favorite sports team:
F'in Yankees
F'in Mets
F'in Giants
F'in Jets
etc. (I don't remember the rest of it)
Shows how the world thinks of NJ as the 6th borough... what about the Iggles?
Philadelphia/South Jersey characters accent on movies or tv is almost always done as New York accent.....Rocky
Tina Fey does a good job on done SNL skits she is from there so thats expected and i was impressed with Toni Collette in Sixth Sense. She sounded Philadelphia and she is from Australia.
The guy who played House (Hugh Laurie)did a good NJ accent and did not sound New York at all
LGMS428
One time back in the days when the NBA's Nets team played in Piscataway, my late father and I were discussing that, and he said he considered Middlesex County to be in Central Jersey, even the New Brunswick/Edison/Metuchen/Piscataway/lower Raritan River area.
And speaking of CJ, more than once I've heard Tom Kaminsky on WCBS-AM traffic reports classify *Somerset* County as CJ, even Bedminster which is north of I-78.
ixnay
QuoteShows how the world thinks of NJ as the 6th borough... what about the Iggles?
It may have listed the Eagles. I just don't remember whether it did.